It does lead me, Mr. Chairman, however, to make some further inquiries
on this subject.
Mr. DULLES. All right.
Mr. JENNER. How old, in your judgment, if you have an impression, was
Mr. Paul Gregory?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir. I would place his age at that time approximately
20 or 21 years of age.
Mr. JENNER. And I believe you testified last evening that you had met
Paul Gregory.
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct.
Mr. JENNER. Did you gain any impression that evening that prior
contacts between Paul Gregory and your brother and sister-in-law in
this area had embraced other occasions when they, meaning Marina and
Paul Gregory, had driven about the city of Fort Worth?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; I was of that opinion--whether it was stated or
implied, at that time.
Mr. JENNER. Could you state for us a little more in detail any remark
that led to that conclusion?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I do not recall any specific remark that was made
at that time. But I was, as I am now, of the opinion that there were
or had been prior interviews or lessons between Marina Oswald and Lee
Harvey Oswald and Mr. Paul Gregory.
Mr. JENNER. That is prior occasions when this method of conducting a
lesson had been pursued--that is, just driving about the city of Fort
Worth?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; that is correct.
Mr. JENNER. Now, did there occur subsequently any further occasions
in which the conducting of lessons by Marina with or for Paul Gregory
arose?
Mr. OSWALD. Not to my knowledge, sir.
Mr. JENNER. Up to the time that they had left Fort Worth, which, as I
recall, was the day after Thanksgiving, 1962, did there come to your
attention, either through your brother or Marina or some other source,
the undertaking by Marina to give or participate in lessons to persons
other than Paul Gregory, the teaching or increasing the facility of use
of the Russian language on the part of someone else?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir. And if I may, sir, to understand the question
fully--you referred to the day after Thanksgiving, 1962, as the day
that they had left Fort Worth, Tex. They had given up their residence
on Mercedes Street in the early part of October 1962, and moved to
Dallas, Tex., address unknown to me. On the occasion referred to on
Thanksgiving 1962, it was my understanding that they returned to Dallas
when they departed from my home in Fort Worth, Tex.
Mr. JENNER. You are absolutely correct.
I did misstate your testimony. But up until the time they did leave,
were there any further occasions on which you received the impression,
at least, that Marina had been engaged, either for compensation or
voluntarily in teaching conversational Russian or increasing the
facility or use of the Russian language by someone else?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I am not acquainted with any other persons that
perhaps she had pursued this line of employment with, or volunteered to
instruct anybody else in the use of the Russian language.
Mr. JENNER. Does that exhaust this subject, Mr. Chairman?
Mr. DULLES. Yes. You may proceed.
Mr. JENNER. At any time before Marina and Lee left Fort Worth to go to
Dallas, did you become aware of her, at least from time to time, living
with others in the city of Fort Worth--that is, not living with your
brother in their home?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I was not aware of that.
Mr. JENNER. Mr. Oswald; I anticipate that a series of names which I am
about to put to you would in large part be strange to you, but one of
the other divisions of the investigation staff desires me to inquire
whether any of these names are familiar to you.
Prior to November 22, 1963, did you or your brother, Lee, or any member
of the Oswald family--that would include your brother John and your
mother--as far as you know hear of any of the following persons:
Mr. Chairman, may I withdraw that question and put it to the witness
first.
Did you, at any time prior to November 22, 1963, know of or hear of any
of the following persons:
One, George Senator?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I have not.
Mr. JENNER. And that name is unfamiliar to you?
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct.
Mr. JENNER. Ralph Paul?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I did not.
Mr. DULLES. We will assume that each of those questions the name is
also unfamiliar to you.
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct.
If you would like, may I suggest that you read the entire list and if
any of them are familiar to me I would stop you on that occasion.
Mr. JENNER. Thank you.
Andrew Armstrong; Karen Bennett, also sometimes known as Carlin; Bruce
Carlin; Roy William Pike, alias Mickey Ryan; Robert Kermit Patterson,
alias Bobby Patterson; Donald C. Stuart; Charles Arndt; Stanley or
Katch Skotnicki; Larry Crafard; Eva Grant; Joe Bonds; Joyce Lee
McDonald, also known as Joy Dale.
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I have not heard of any of those people mentioned
by name, nor am I familiar with any of their names.
Mr. JENNER. And as far as you know, none of the members of your
family, including your brother Lee, and Marina, knew of, or were
acquainted with any of these people?
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct.
Mr. JENNER. And this likewise would include your wife Vada and your
mother and your brother John?
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct.
Mr. JENNER. Do you know whether or not your brother Lee ever visited
any of the following night clubs, bars, or taverns or restaurants in
the Dallas-Fort Worth area:
The Bullpen Drive-In; the Carousel Club.
Mr. OSWALD. Pardon me, Mr. Jenner. This is prior to November 23,
1963--is that correct?
Mr. JENNER. It is, sir.
Mr. OSWALD. Thank you.
Mr. JENNER. I will repeat the list.
The Bullpen Drive-in; the Carousel Club; the Vegas Club; the Sovereign
Club.
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I am not aware at any time that he did enter these
establishments.
Mr. JENNER. Have you been in any of these establishments?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I have not.
Mr. JENNER. This leads me to ask you about your brother's drinking
habits, if any. Did he take an occasional drink--I mean of intoxicating
liquor?
Mr. OSWALD. To the best of my remembrance, sir, on that particular
point, I have never known him to take a drink of an alcoholic beverage.
Mr. JENNER. And have you been with him on occasion when you have had
alcoholic beverage, whereas at the same time he declined to have any,
or did not have any?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I do not recall any occasion such as that.
Mr. JENNER. Were there occasions on which you would have drawn to your
attention the fact that your brother was not a drinking man--even a
social drinker?
That is, were you present when others might have been having a social
drink at which your brother either declined or just didn't have one?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I do not recall any such incident.
Mr. JENNER. But you do have a firm recollection or opinion, in any
event, that your brother was not a drinking man, even a social drinker?
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct.
Mr. JENNER. And am I correct that you did testify a moment ago that
there was never an occasion when you saw your brother imbibe an
intoxicating liquor?
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct.
Mr. JENNER. What about Marina in that respect?
Mr. OSWALD. There, again, sir, we are referring to the time prior to
November 23, 1963, is that correct?
Mr. JENNER. Well, let's take that first.
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I have not.
Nor was I present on any occasion that she did take a drink of any type
of alcoholic beverage.
Mr. JENNER. Now, I will take the period from the 22d of November to the
present time.
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir, I have been in her presence on a number of
occasions where she has taken a drink of an alcoholic beverage.
Mr. JENNER. And has it been just an occasional drink, purely social
drinking?
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct.