I stated, however, that very same night, to your Lordships in this

House, that it was my deliberate belief, that before the end of a

few weeks there would be an end of the Sardinian monarchy. On that

occasion I was, indeed, a true prophet. Almost while I was speaking,

the King of Sardinia broke the armistice, again attacked the

Austrians, was again defeated, and then abdicated his crown. That

monarch was much to be blamed for the former part of his conduct, but

was much to be pitied for its close; he was driven on by the fear of a

mob--the most paltry and the most perilous of all fears. He was urged

on to his ruin by the worst of all advisers, those fears. He threw

himself into the hands of the Red Republican party of Paris and of

Turin, and, worse than all, of Genoa; and he has paid, in consequence,

the penalty of giving ear to evil counsellors. Then there was more

of negotiation, although one would have thought that, when Radetzky

stopped in the full career of victory, there would have been an end

of all resistance on the part of Sardinia. The negotiation which then

began has been continued from day to day up to the present hour,

and, if common fame can be trusted, there is less chance now of that

negotiation leading to the pacification of Northern Italy than there

was three or four months ago. I deeply lament this, my Lords. Every

friend of the true policy of England, and every friend of the peace of

Europe, must lament it. I hear it said, our Foreign Office lends its

aid to the delay of peaceful measures in Turin; and I hear it with

wonder, considering what has passed within the last two years. But I

am afraid that there are some natures far too sanguine--some whom no

failure can cure of the most extravagant hopes--who, while they

are sinking, cling to the feeblest straw, and derive hope from the

slightest change, and who, because things are not just as they were

twenty-four hours before, expect that better times are coming, and

hope even against hope itself. I think that what has recently taken

place in Hungary, in Croatia, and in Transylvania, has been the

foundation of the hopes recently entertained by the friends of

Sardinia, and that some parties in England, but still more in Turin,

have conceived expectations that Austria, if these negotiations are

allowed to drag their slow length along, will be frustrated in her

designs of--what? Aggrandizement? Oh, no. If that were all, the

difficulty might easily be removed. For look, my Lords, how the matter

stands. Here is craving ambition on the one side, against a steady

adherence to a pacific policy on the other; here is a desire to

enlarge dominion against the solemn faith of treaties on the one part,

and a resolution not to swerve a hair's breadth from that faith on the

other, even when tempted by aggression the most unjust, and crowned

by success the most absolute and complete. Here is good faith

unsurpassed, almost unexampled moderation in victory, met by incurable

thirst of aggrandizement, and reckless love of change under the most

grievous disaster.

Thus stand the rival powers of Sardinia and Austria opposed to each

other. I hope that I view these matters more gloomily than the real

state of things warrants; but I certainly feel not a little uneasy

when I reflect on the great length to which these negotiations have

been sedulously spun out. And here, my Lords, I must observe, that

this brings me, among many of the views which I now, anticipating

somewhat, have taken of the present state of the Powers, to the

conviction that the various matters now in dispute can only be

settled by some general congress. This would at once close the Turin

Conference. I have before mentioned to your Lordships that the favour

which the Government of England has shown to Sardinia, and the

prejudice against Austria, has exhibited itself--indeed, I may

say, has broken out very conspicuously, in two portions of these

transactions. First, it was displayed in the general difference of the

language used to Austria and to Sardinia. To Austria we have held out

everything short of threat--we have addressed her in language gentle

indeed in outward appearance, but amounting in substance to downright

menace. 'You had better not go', we said, 'into Italy--you had better

not invade any ally of ours--you had better not think of going to

Turin or to Rome, for if you do, we shall consider it a matter

deserving of grave consideration.' That was not the language in which

we addressed the other party. To Austria we were _suaviter in modo,

fortiter in re_. But Sardinia was gently and amicably told, 'If you do

so act, it will be very much against your true interests. It will be

wiser not to do anything of the kind. Pray don't for your own sake.'

But no threat, nor anything like a threat. Sardinia was not told, as

Austria was, that it would be matter of great importance if she budged

a foot out of her own dominions. And all this diversity of treatment,

all this reprimand of Austria, was designed to be made known, and to

gain credit and popularity with the republican rabble. For then came

that proceeding--so ludicrous at once, and so mean, that I have never

read anything like it in the whole course of history. While we were

anxiously advertising to all Europe, and more especially to the rebels

at Milan, and to the red republicans in Paris, that we had held out to

Austria this menace, we had at the very time in our pockets an answer

from Prince Metternich to our menacing dispatch, saying, 'What is the

matter with you? It is not yet the month of November, when the malady

of your gloomy climate prevails, but it is the cheerful month of

September. What ails you? Are you distracted in your brain to talk

of our going to Turin? We have no more thought of going to Turin or

Naples than we have of going to the moon. On the contrary, if any one

presumes to disturb the security of any country, above all to threaten

Sardinia, we will stand by you to defend Sardinia, and to maintain

inviolate with all our forces and all our resources all the

arrangements of the Treaties of Vienna.' Not one word of this answer

from Austria did we suffer to be known while bragging of our threats

to her, threats which assumed her having the design of attacking

Sardinia. Then, when the impropriety of keeping such a document in

your pockets was mooted in this House, my noble friend opposite (Lord

Lansdowne) said, 'Oh, we were ready to give you that dispatch as soon

as you asked for it.' Yes, when I did ask for it I got it; for, on the

18th of last September, my noble friend (Lord Aberdeen) was not at

that time in the House, but in Scotland. I said, 'I have that dispatch

in my hand, and I will read it, every word, if you do not consent to

give it to the public.' _Non constat_ that it would have been given

if I had omitted to give that direct challenge to Her Majesty's

Government. I don't blame my noble friend opposite for all this; he,

good easy man, knew nothing at all about it; he was not instructed;

the Foreign Office let him remain innocent and ignorant; but the sum

and substance of all this is, that every indulgence was extended to

Sardinia, whilst threats, downright threats, were held out to Austria.

Now, for one moment stop to recollect the language which we used

in the dispatch addressed to the Court of Austria on the 11th of

September, 1847. It was as follows:

Any aggression on the rights of independent States will

not be viewed with indifference by Great Britain. The

independence of the Roman States is an essential element

in the political independence of Italy; and no invasion of

that territory can be attempted without leading to consequences

of great gravity and importance.

The answer which we received to that note from Austria was, 'We never

dreamt of any such thing, but are ready at all times to stand by the

integrity of all Italy.' That declaration brings me, my Lords, from

considering the affairs of Northern Italy to the subject of Central

Italy, and more particularly of Rome itself; and I naturally ask, in

the words of my first resolution, whether that full and satisfactory

explanation which we have a right to receive has been given of 'those

recent movements in the Italian States which tend to unsettle the

existing distribution of territory, and to endanger the general peace

of Europe'? First there is the occupation of Ancona by an Austrian

army, then there is the occupation of Bologna by the main force of

another Austrian army. I say nothing of the occupation of Tuscany. I

put Tuscany out of the question, as it is a sort of family estate of

the House of Austria, in which she has a right by treaty to interfere.

But that is not all. There is also in the heart of Italy, in its very

centre, in its capital, an army, not Roman, not Austrian, not Italian,

not composed of its native soldiery, but a French army, consisting

of 40,000 or 50,000 men, and with a park of artillery consisting of

120,000 guns. I crave your pardon, 120 guns. [_Laughter attended this

mistake_.] This army did not fall from the clouds. The troops advanced

on the surface of the earth. The Eternal City was invaded with all the

usual pomp and circumstance of war. Some thousand men with a few guns

were in the first instance sent from Marseilles to Civita Vecchia,

and some explanation was given why they were sent, more or less

satisfactory. But if any man has seen that explanation, stating that a

force of 16,000 men and a strong fleet had been sent to Civita Vecchia

by France, and has been told that the army was to stop there and to

do nothing further, and that their sole object was to rearrange the

balance of power--such was the Government explanation--to adjust

the balance of Europe at that port; if any man, having seen that

explanation, can take it as satisfactory, all I have to say is, that

he is a man very easily satisfied. It does not satisfy me--indeed it

seems very like treating us with contempt to give such explanations.

Be that, however, as it may, the other events which followed, plainly

demanded full explanation. That army, sent in the first instance to

Civita Vecchia, afterwards marched onwards, and in three days arrived

at Rome. What was it doing there? To an unskilled observer, to a

non-military man like myself, who could not tell the difference

between 120,000 and 120 guns, it did look as if it were going to make

an attack upon the Eternal City.

Well, then, there is another question, still more apposite, and in

answer to which I think that we should have had some explanation, and

it is, 'What shall be done, supposing that this army should attack

Rome, and, as is most probable, carry it?' Up to this hour I, for my

part, do not know whether such a question has been put, or, if put,

whether it has received an answer. 'What are the French doing before

Rome, and what will they be doing after they have gained possession of

it?' is the question that should have been put.

To say that they are there for the cause of humanity, or for the sake

of maintaining the balance of power, these are words of which I cannot

understand the connexion with the undenied facts, and with the

march of 40,000 or 50,000 troops with 120 guns, which does require

satisfactory explanation, because such proceedings are not an

adjustment, but a subversion, a destruction of the European balance. I

must forget all that I have ever read of the rights of nations before

I consent to admit that circumstances like these can be allowed to

pass over unnoticed. Here, my Lords, I should be doing injustice to my

own feelings if I did not express my entire admiration of the conduct

of the French army before the walls of Rome. What the French army had

to do there--whether the French Government were entitled to send

it thither--is another matter, and on this men may have different

opinions. Whether or not it was in perfect consistency with the

professions of the new half-fledged French Republic to send an army to

put down another nascent, a newly-hatched republic, whether that step

was in harmony with the views of the statesmen who had ruled France

ever since the unhappy 24th of February--a day which I must ever

consider deplorable for the peace of Europe, for the institutions and

thrones of Europe, and, above all, most unhappy for the improvement

and tranquillity of France itself--whether that step was in strict

keeping with all the professions of all the parties who had been in

power since that event had changed the face of France, and arrested

the progress, the rapid, the uninterrupted progress, to comfort and

happiness which France was making under the constitutional monarchy,

by the development of her prodigious resources--whether it was in

harmony with their professions of peace to send an army to overthrow

the infant Republic of Rome--I will not stop now to inquire. Suffice

it to say, that the assistance of France was invited by the Pope,

as he says in his allocution from Gaeta, but not severally or

distinctly--it was invited in conjunction with that of Austria, Spain,

and Naples; and it is one of the very few criticisms which I am

disposed to make upon the French Government, that the second

difficulty in this question is the manner in which the French army

went alone to Rome when the Pope asked them to come conjointly with

the forces of the other Powers; for it, seemed as if they meant to

anticipate others, and to gain a footing in Rome before the Austrians

could take the field.

But all my unfavourable remarks touching France are now at an end, for

no Government, no army, could have acted more blamelessly--I should

rather say, more admirably--than that French army and its commanders.

In the first place, can any man doubt that they could have taken Rome

long ago if they had not been averse to the effusion of blood? Little

do they know the gallantry of French troops who entertain a contrary

notion. Then they were strongly impressed with the idea that it was

not right the innocent should suffer with the guilty. Again, they felt

that they were not going against the Romans, but against those who had

usurped and exercised an intolerable tyranny over the Romans, properly

so called. They were marching against Mazzini and Garibaldi, that

Garibaldi for whom a noble friend of mine (Lord Howden), whose eulogy

is really praise, bespoke your sympathy so strongly a few evenings

ago. But my noble friend, perhaps, is not aware that this person--a

clever man, undoubtedly, of great military talents--was, like Mazzini,

a professional conspirator; that the object of his first plot was,

like that of a great conspirator in our own country (Guy Fawkes), who

was not, however, quite so popular, to blow up the Royal Family of

Sardinia in the theatre of Genoa; and that the discovery of that

gunpowder plot drove him out in exile, first to Brazil, and afterwards

to the Rio Plata, where he began to act as a partisan, and afterwards

acquired considerable influence. On the breaking out of the last

revolution in France he returned to Europe, and shortly afterwards

agitated the provinces of Italy, repeating in their northern

districts, and in Rome itself, those valorous feats of arms which

gained him reputation in the New World. Mazzini is a man of less

courage, though of great ability, for few men are so bold as

Garibaldi; but Mazzini, in conjunction with Garibaldi, got possession

of Rome, the one eminent for his civil, the other from his military

qualifications. There they established a dictatorship under the name

of a Triumvirate, and disciplined several thousand soldiers, of whom

scarcely one was a native Roman. Among them were Frenchmen, Monte

Videans, Poles, Italians of the north, but Romans few or none.

Therefore it was, I said, that General Oudinot was cautious how he

bombarded Rome, as he could not direct his hostility against one class

of men, and yet entirely spare all. Lastly, my Lords, I cannot shut my

eyes to the merits of the French army, of which all ages must testify

their sense as long as any regard remains among men for the precious

remains of antiquity and for those more inestimable treasures of

modern art which form the pride and glory of the Eternal City. General

Oudinot had carried on the siege of Rome as if he would avoid the

effusion of a single drop of human blood, and as if he were anxious

not to expose the great monuments of art to the injuries of shot and

shell. In this state of things, the delay of the capture took place,

while many at Paris were impatient at the suspension of their triumph,

but whilst many more were anxious that in future ages the French

should not be ranked with the Goths and Vandals of past times; and I

feel that the greatest gratitude is due to the French general and to

the French army for the humane and generous spirit that tempered the

valour which they displayed before Rome. What they are to do now there

is a very different question. I believe that their difficulties are

not yet over. I believe they are only now begun, and that is one

reason why I urge to my noble friend opposite, the propriety of

calling a general congress for the settlement of the disturbed

affairs of Europe. The difficulties of the French army and the French

Government at Rome are so great that an acute people, like that of

France, cannot shut its eyes to them. They must see how little they

have gained even of that for which the Red Republicans of France are

so eager--military glory. If that was the aim of the Paris multitude,

which I more than suspect, of their rulers it could not be the

purpose, unless they yielded up their better judgement to the

influence of the rabble, for assuredly, while exposing them to every

embarrassment in their foreign relations, and augmenting their

financial difficulties, they must have seen that it was an enterprise

in which success could give their country little glory, while failure

must cover it with disgrace. But what signifies to France the loss of

such renown as victory bestows? What to her is the forgoing of one

sprig of laurel more in addition to the accumulated honours of her

victorious career? The multitude of Paris rather than France, the

statesmen of the club and coffee-house, the politicians of the salons,

the reasoners of the Boulevards, may retain their thirst for such

additions, such superfluous additions, to the national fame. The

sounder reasoners, the true statesmen, have, I trust, learnt a better

lesson, and will teach her gallant people to prefer the more virtuous

and more lasting glories of peace.

But whatever the Paris mob, in the drawing-rooms or in the streets,

may have desired, I am confident the Government, if left to itself,

had one object only in view, the rescue of Rome from the usurpation of

a foreign rabble, and restoring the authority of the Pope, whom that

rabble's violence had driven from his States. And here let me say a

word which may not be popular in some quarters, and among some of

my noble friends, upon the separation of the temporal and spiritual

authority of the Pope. My opinion is that it will not do to say the

Pope is all very well as a spiritual prince, but we ought not to

restore his temporal power. That is a short-sighted and I think a

somewhat superficial view of the case. I do not believe it possible

that the Pope could exercise beneficially his spiritual functions if

he had no temporal power. For what would be the consequence? He

would be stripped of all his authority. We are not now in the eighth

century, when the Pope contrived to exist without much secular

authority, or when as Bishop of Rome he exercised very extensive

spiritual authority without corresponding temporal power. The progress

of the one, however, went along with that of the other; and just as

the Pope had extended his temporal dominions by encroachments of his

own, and by gifts like those of Pepin and Charlemagne, the Exarchate

and Pentapolis, uniting the patrimony of St. Peter, and adding to it

little by little until he got a good large slice in Italy, just in

proportion as his temporal authority increased did he attain so

overwhelming influence over the councils of Europe. His temporal

force increased his spiritual authority, because it made him more

independent. Stript of that secular dominion, he would become the

slave now of one Power--then of another--one day the slave of Spain,

another of Austria, another of France, or, worst of all, as the Pope

has recently been, the slave of his own factious and rebellious

subjects. His temporal power is an European question, not a local or a

religious one; and the Pope's authority should be maintained for the

sake of the peace and the interests of Europe. We ourselves have

7,000,000 of Roman Catholic subjects, Austria has 30,000,000, Prussia

has 7,000,000 or 8,000,000. France is a Catholic country, so is

Belgium, so are the peninsulas of Italy and Spain; and how is it

possible to suppose that, unless the Pope has enough temporal

authority to keep him independent of the other European Courts,

jealousies and intrigues will not arise which must reduce him to

a state of dependency, and so enable any one country wielding the

enormous influence of his spiritual authority to foster intrigues,

faction, even rebellion, in the dominions of her rivals? Probably, as

General Oudinot has sent the keys of Rome to the Pope at Gaeta, it is

his intention to restore the temporal authority of the Pope. There are

difficulties in the way of the French General remaining at Rome, the

inhabitants of which naturally do not like to see an army of some

thousands encamped in their town, and there are difficulties in the

way of his leaving Rome; but there is no way so easy of overcoming

those difficulties as a general congress to settle the affairs of

Europe; and I do not consider that a clearer course can lie before

France than to propose it, or that she can find a safer and a more

creditable way out of her present embarrassments in Italy.

I now come to a part of the subject which I have only originally

glanced at, the state of our relations with the southern part of the

Italian peninsula. On the 16th of December, 1847, the noble Lord at

the head of Foreign Affairs (Lord Palmerston) wrote to Lord Minto,

directing him to request an audience

for the purpose of conveying to his Sicilian Majesty the

strongest assurances of the earnest desire of Her Majesty's

Government to maintain, and if possible draw still closer,

the bonds of friendship which have so long united the

Crowns of Great Britain and of the Two Sicilies.

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