That in the mass of our people, there is a great number, who though

resolved on independence, prefer an alliance with England to one with

France, must be a mere speculative opinion, which can be reduced to no

kind of certainty. If we form our judgment from acts of government, we

would suppose that no such sentiment prevailed; they all speak a

different language. If from the declarations of individuals, we must

entertain the same opinion, since independence and the alliance with

France, connect themselves so closely together, that we never speak of

them separately. The mass of the people here are not so ignorant of

the common principles of policy as to prefer an alliance with a nation

whose recent pretensions, and whose vicinity renders them mutual

enemies, to that of a Prince who has no claims upon them, and no

territory in their neighborhood, at least till the principles of his

government shall be changed, and he gives evident proofs of the want

of justice and moderation.

I think it unnecessary to repeat to you what I have already written to

Dr Franklin, presuming that you communicate with freedom to each

other. Mr Jefferson will afford, I dare say, a very acceptable aid to

your commission; I have not yet learned from him whether he will take

the duties upon him.[9]

Mr Barlow, a poet of New England, has requested me to transmit you his

proposals for printing, by subscription, a poem of which he is the

author. I can give no character of the work, but what you will get

from the specimen enclosed, which is all I have seen of it. The

enclosed resolution informs you of Mr Boudinot's advancement to the

Presidentship. For other intelligence I refer you to my letter to Dr

Franklin, and the papers that accompany this.

I am, Dear Sir, &c.

ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.

FOOTNOTES:

[8] See Franklin's Correspondence. Vol. IV. p. 34.

[9] Mr Jefferson did not join the Commissioners for Peace.

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TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.

Paris, December 12th, 1782.

Dear Sir,

I have already written a long letter to you by this vessel, and should

have continued the details of our subsequent proceedings, had my

health admitted of the necessary application.

You will receive from us a joint letter with a copy of the

preliminaries. I shall therefore omit making any remarks on them.

Before I left Spain, and by letters since my arrival here, I desired

Mr Carmichael to make out and transmit the public accounts. Our

negotiations with that Court are at a stand. The Count d'Aranda either

has not, or does not choose to show me a commission to treat. He is

exceedingly civil, and frequent visits pass between us.

It gives me pleasure to inform you, that perfect unanimity has

hitherto prevailed among your Commissioners here; and I do not

recollect, that since we began to negotiate with Mr Oswald, there has

been the least division or opposition between us. Mr Adams was

particularly useful respecting the eastern boundary, and Dr Franklin's

firmness and exertions on the subject of the tories did us much

service. I enclose herewith a copy of a letter he wrote about that

matter to Mr Oswald.[10] It had much weight, and is written with a

degree of acuteness and spirit seldom to be met with in persons of his

age.

I have the honor to be, with great regard and esteem, Dear Sir, &c.

JOHN JAY.

FOOTNOTES:

[10] See Franklin's Correspondence. Vol. IV. p. 36.

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ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON TO JOHN JAY.

Philadelphia, January 4th, 1783.

Dear Sir,

I have before me your despatches of the 4th and 18th of September

last, and the 13th of October. It gives me much uneasiness to find by

them, that your health is not yet confirmed, particularly as the

extreme shortness of your letters, compared with the importance of the

matter, gives me reason to fear, that it has suffered more than you

would have us believe.

I am under some anxiety relative to the fate of your letter of the

18th of September, as only the duplicate copy has arrived, and I find

by that you have risked it without a cypher. Should it get into

improper hands, it might be attended with disagreeable consequences.

It is of so much importance, that both you and we should judge rightly

of the designs of the Court, to whom we have intrusted such extensive

powers, that I most earnestly wish you had enlarged on the reasons

which have induced you to form the opinion you intimate; an opinion,

which, if well founded, must render your negotiations extremely

painful, and the issue of them very uncertain. If on the other hand,

it should have been taken up too hastily, it is to be feared, that in

defiance of all that prudence and self-possession, for which you are

happily distinguished, it will discover itself in a reserve and want

of confidence, which may afford hopes to our artful antagonists of

exciting jealousies between us and our friends. I so sincerely wish

that your conjectures on this head may not be well founded, that I am

led to hope you carry your suspicions too far, and the more so as Dr

Franklin, to whom I dare say you have communicated them freely, does

not (as you say) agree in sentiment with you. But I pretend not to

judge, since I have not the advantage of seeing from the same ground.

Perhaps some light may be thrown upon the subject by such facts as I

have been able to collect here, and with which it is impossible you

should be acquainted.

The policy you suppose to influence the measures of France, can only

be founded in a distrust, which I persuade myself she can hardly

entertain of those who have put their dearest interest into her hands.

She is too well informed of the state of this country, to believe

there is the least reason to suppose, that we could have the most

distant idea of a separate peace. If such distrust really exists, it

would, in my opinion, dictate to them, to let Great Britain

acknowledge our independence at once, rather than make it the subject

of subsequent negotiation. When satisfied on that point, we can with

more advantage contend for those our allies have at heart. Whereas by

withholding it, and making it the price of concessions on the part of

France, which she may not choose to make, an opportunity would be

afforded, to embroil and incline us to listen to separate proposals.

Upon this principle, France seems to have acted in all the answers,

which she has hitherto given, as well to the direct proposals of

Great Britain as to those made by the imperial Courts. When Mr

Grenville proposed to treat of the independence of the United States

with his Most Christian Majesty, an opportunity was afforded to take

the lead in the negotiation, and to suspend that part of it; yet we

find the reply of the Court of Versailles led to a direct negotiation

between Great Britain and us, and ended in the offer of unconditional

independence. The reply of the Court of France to that of London,

communicated to Mr Grenville on the 21st of June, speaks the same

language.

From these and the following facts you will, when you have compared

them with those within your own knowledge, draw your inferences with

more judgment than I can pretend to do without those you possess.

Before your letters were received, the Chevalier de la Luzerne showed

me a letter from the Count de Vergennes of the 14th of August, in

which he speaks of Mr Grenville's commission, and the ground it gave

him to hope, that negotiations would open with an express and

unconditional acknowledgment of independence. He mentions the change

in the British administration; their assurances, that it should

occasion no alteration in the plan of their negotiation, and

concludes, by expressing his surprise at the alteration, which

afterwards took place in this essential article in the propositions

offered by Mr Fitzherbert, and infers from thence, that Lord Shelburne

had no other design than to divide and deceive. In a letter of the 7th

of September, he mentions Mr Oswald's commission, your objections to

it, and his doubts of the manner in which these objections will be

received. "If," says he, "Mr Oswald is right in his conjecture, that

they will be favorably received and removed, then everything _is

said_. If they reject them, because they will not begin where they

propose to end, I conceive the negotiations should still go on. We may

judge of the intentions of the Court of London by their first

propositions. If they have independence for their basis, we may

proceed; _if not, we must break off_." In his letter of the 14th of

October, he mentions with great apparent satisfaction, the alterations

in Mr Oswald's commission. From the general tenor of these letters, I

can discover nothing but an anxious desire for peace, which might very

naturally lead him to wish that objections, which he did not conceive

essential in the first instance, after having declared to Great

Britain that no peace could be made till our independence was

acknowledged, should not break off a negotiation, which must end in

the attainment of an object, which they have as much at heart as we.

Whatever the sentiments of the Count de Vergennes may be, as to the

claim of Spain, in a letter which I have seen, he treats them as well

as ours, as chimerical and extravagant, and declares, that he does not

mean to interfere in them. You can best judge of the sincerity of this

declaration. If insincere, I cannot conceive for what purpose it was

made, or the subject treated so lightly, or why this should be

confided to me. For my own part, I believe their situation with

respect to Spain is very delicate, and that they are embarrassed by

her demands. I mention these things, that you may, by comparing them

with facts within your reach, draw useful inferences from them, and I

wish to give you everything that may _possibly_ be of use to you.

As to the letter of Marbois, I am by no means surprised at it, since

he always endeavored to persuade us that our claim to the fisheries

was not well founded. Yet one thing is very remarkable, and I hope

evinces the determination of France to serve us on this point. The

advice given to discourage the hope is certainly judicious, and yet we

find no steps taken in consequence of it. On the contrary, we have

been repeatedly told in formal communications since that period, "that

the King would do everything for us that circumstances will admit, and

that nothing but dire necessity shall induce him to relinquish any of

the objects we have at heart, and that he does not imagine that such

necessity will exist." This communication was made on the 21st of last

November, from letters of the 7th of September, _previous to our_

success at Yorktown, and has been renewed at different periods since.

You will undoubtedly avail yourself of this engagement if necessary.

Congress relying upon it, have made no alteration in their

instructions since the change in their affairs, by the blow the enemy

received at Yorktown.

This letter of Marbois, and the conduct of the Court of France, evince

the difference between a great politician and a little one. France

can, by prohibiting the importation of fish, supply herself; she

cannot do more. Our exclusion from the fishery, would only be

beneficial to England. The enmity it would excite, the disputes it

would give rise to, would, in the course of a few years, obliterate

the memory of the favors we have received. England, by sacrificing a

part of her fisheries, and protecting us in the enjoyment of them,

would render herself necessary to us, our friendship would be

transferred to her, and France would in the end be considered as a

natural enemy. I am persuaded, she has wisdom enough to see this in

its true light.

I know not how far the Marquis may deserve your confidence; you are

the best judge of his conduct. I ought, however, in justice to him to

mention, that he has steadily, in all his letters, recommended an

adherence to our claims, and assured us that both might be obtained if

insisted upon.

You see, Sir, I have purposely leaned to the opposite side from that

which you appear in some measure to have taken; not because I think

you _are_ wrong in the opinion you have adopted, but because you _may

possibly_ be so. Such essential injuries may flow from the slightest

jealousies, that I wish you to examine yours with all the coolness you

are master of. I am persuaded, the last hope of Britain is founded on

the distrusts they may sow among their enemies. I wish you had in a

private letter in cypher informed me how you got at the letter of

Marbois, and why it was copied in English. I more particularly wish to

know whether it passed through the hands of either of the British

Commissioners. If it has, it will be of some consequence to see the

original, not that I doubt its authenticity, but it may possibly have

undergone some alterations. That which follows what is said of the

great bank, is nonsense, or if it conveys any meaning, I think it is

not such as a man of common sense would speak.[11]

Count de Vergennes, in his letters dated a day later than yours, gives

no account of your propositions. I should conclude from this

circumstance, that they had not been communicated. If I were not

convinced, that acting under the instructions you do, you would not

withhold them, except for the most weighty reasons, and that if such

reasons existed you would have assigned them in your letters, and

presuming, therefore, that you had communicated them, I have made no

secret of them to the Count de la Luzerne, who appeared much pleased

with them, though a little surprised at the article, which relates to

commerce, which I cannot suppose perfectly agreeable to them in all

its extent; since it will render a revolution necessary in the

commercial system of France, if they wish to have an extensive trade

with us. I am extremely pleased, that in freeing ourselves, we have a

prospect of unfettering the consciences and the commerce of the world.

We are far from regretting that the Marquis d'Aranda has no powers to

treat. We think, with you, that it is time to adopt the Spanish

system. We may treat at any time with more advantage than at present.

You had received your instructions on this subject before you wrote

your last letters. By your saying nothing of them, I suppose you had

not decyphered them. Mr Jefferson being the bearer of this, it is

unnecessary to enlarge.[12] News and general politics will be

contained in my letter to Dr Franklin, to whom I also send an

instruction on the subject of your commercial proposition. I enclose

you a new cypher, which I pray you to make use of. You will find it

very easy on a little practice. I must again entreat you to write more

fully to us. I have received _from the Count de Vergennes' letters_,

the whole progress of the negotiation. Information of this kind it

would give me more pleasure to receive through another channel.

I have the honor to be, Dear Sir, with great respect and esteem, &c.

ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.

FOOTNOTES:

[11] M. de Marbois' letter here alluded to, was very long, and written

in cypher. It was intercepted by the English, taken to London, there

decyphered, translated into English, and sent to the British

Commissioners in Paris, (while the negotiations for peace were in

progress.) The sense of the writer would be very likely to suffer by

this process of decyphering and translating. But M. de Marbois never

complained that the letter was not in the main correctly translated.

As soon as the British Commissioners received it in Paris, they put a

copy of it into the hands of the American Commissioners. M. de Marbois

was at that time only a Secretary of Legation, and wrote the letter

while the Minister, M. de la Luzerne, was absent from Philadelphia,

and without his knowledge. The sentiments of the letter were never

avowed by the French Ministry.

[12] Mr Jefferson did not go till some time afterwards.

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TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.

Paris, April 7th, 1783.

Dear Sir,

After the preliminaries had been settled and ratified, the Spanish

Ambassador informed me that his Court was ready to receive me, not

only in form, but "_très honnêtement_." He _then_ expected full

instructions relative to the proposed treaty.

The Marquis de Lafayette, in his journey through Madrid, manifested

great zeal to serve us there. A copy of a letter from him to the

Minister, will be sent you by another opportunity, though I imagine he

has already forwarded it.

On the 29th ult. the Spanish Ambassador communicated to me the desire

of his Court that I would return to Madrid, and there complete the

treaty, for that in their opinion, it ought to be concluded either at

_Madrid_ or at Philadelphia.

You will have this communication at large in another letter.

No Ministry yet in England, nor any news of Barney, nor from you,

since the 3d of January.

The definitive treaties must be concluded, and the heats of summer

abated, before either my business here, or the very delicate state of

my health will admit of a journey to Spain. Be assured of my esteem

and regard.

I am, Dear Sir, &c.

JOHN JAY.

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TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.

Paris, April 11th, 1783.

Dear Sir,

I wrote you a short letter on the seventh instant. Certain

intelligence has since arrived from England, that the Duke of Portland

is first Lord of the Treasury, Mr Fox and Lord North Secretaries of

State, and Lord John Cavendish Chancellor of the Exchequer. It is also

said, that Lord Stormont is President of the Council, and the Duke of

Manchester Ambassador to Versailles. I hear that Mr David Hartley is

appointed to conclude a definitive treaty with us.

The Emperor and Russia have been requested in their mediatorial

capacity, to send Plenipotentiaries to assist at the definitive

treaties. The due motives to this measure can as yet be only

conjectured. The ostensible one is, a mark of respect to their

offered, but not accepted mediation. The proposition originated here.

Their answer is expected daily. It is whispered that Russia consents.

Safe opportunities of sending important letters from hence to Madrid

are so very rare, that I think yours for that place had better be

always conveyed directly to Cadiz or other ports in Spain, where some

American of confidence may be settled.

Numberless applications for consulships continue to be made, and some

will probably reach you. In my opinion Americans only should be

employed to serve America. I early entertained this opinion, and it

has been almost daily gathering strength since my arrival in Europe.

I have the honor to be, &c.

JOHN JAY.

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TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.

Paris, April 22d, 1783.

Dear Sir,

I wrote to you so lately by Mr Mason, and there is such a dearth of

news, that I now write less to give you information than as a mark of

attention.

There are several of your letters, which on account of their length,

the importance of their subjects, and the manner in which those

subjects were treated, demanded of me more minute answers than my

situation admitted of. Mr Hartley is not yet arrived, but is daily

expected. I am told by Mr Laurens, that he will propose that the

people of the two countries shall have all the rights of citizens in

each. The instruction of Congress on this important point is much to

be desired. For my part I think a temporary stipulation of that sort

might be expedient. They mean to court us and in my opinion we should

avoid being either too forward or too coy. I have no faith in any

Court in Europe, but it would be improper to discover that sentiment.

There are circumstances which induce me to believe, that Spain is

turning her eyes to England for a more intimate connexion. They are

the only two European powers, which have continental possessions on

our side of the water, and Spain I think wishes for a league between

them for mutual security against us. Perhaps this consideration should

lead us to regard the present fervor of the British advances with the

less indifference.

On looking over one of my former letters, containing my propositions

to Spain, I find that I had omitted to explain the reason of the one

for a guarantee of our possessions in North America. That we should

_so_ guaranty the Spanish possessions as to _fight_ for them, was as

distant from my design, as it could be from that of Congress. A common

guarantee means nothing more than a _quit claim_, to which we

certainly could have had no objection. When more is intended,

provisional and express stipulations become necessary. To any such I

never would have consented. A confidant of the Minister (and I believe

by his directions) had assured me, that unless a guarantee was offered

any other propositions would not induce the minister to negotiate for

a treaty. To meet that objection I made the offer in the general terms

you have seen. I had no doubt but that the Minister was acquainted

with my instructions; and I considered this objection as a pretext for

delay. My opinion as to a certain proposed cession was known, and uses

not advantageous to us or to me had been made of it. It appeared to me

advisable, that the intention of Spain with respect to us should have

a full trial, and such a one as would convince Congress that I was

entirely guided by their views and wishes.

I therefore endeavored so to frame those propositions as that they

should not afford the Minister any pretence for refusing to commence

the negotiation. The issue you are acquainted with.

I hope nothing will be done by the States for the tories until the

British forces shall be withdrawn, and then I confess it would be for

our honor to forgive all except the perfidious and the cruel.

After the definitive treaties are finished, I hope I shall be excused

in trying the waters of Spa and Bath (which are recommended to me)

before I proceed to Spain. Whatever may be their effect, I shall not

loiter at either place. After my business at Madrid shall be finished,

I wish to devote my care to the recovery of my health, and the

concerns of my family, which must greatly interfere with the duties of

my commission. Besides, as my country has obtained her object, my

motives for entering into public life are at an end.

The same principles which drew me from the private station I formerly

occupied, bid me to return to it. Actions are the only proofs of

professions, and if I live mine shall not want that evidence.

I am, Dear Sir, &c.

JOHN JAY.

_P. S._ I am told, that a vessel, which went last year from our

country, on the Ohio, down that river, and through the Mississippi to

the Havana, took passports from the Count de la Luzerne. This, if a

fact, appears to me a singular one. I mention it merely as a matter of

information.

J. J.

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TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.

Paris, May 30th, 1783.

Dear Sir,

It cannot in my opinion be long before Congress will think it

expedient to name a Minister to the Court of London. Perhaps my

friends may wish to add me to the number of candidates for that

office. If that should be the case, I request the favor of you to

declare in the most explicit terms, that I view the expectations of Mr

Adams on that head as founded in equity and reason, and that I will

not by any means stand in his way. Were I in Congress I should vote

for him. He deserves well of his country, and is very able to serve

her. It appears to me to be but fair that the disagreeable

conclusions, which may be drawn from the abrupt repeal of his former

commission should be obviated by its being restored to him. I do

therefore in the most unequivocal manner decline and refuse to be a

competitor with that faithful servant of the public, for the place in

question.

As Mr Barclay has power to settle our accounts in Europe, I wish that

orders may be sent to Mr Carmichael to come here with the books and

documents necessary to enable Mr Barclay to examine and settle the

public accounts in my department. I cannot learn that my repeated

requests to him to send a state of those accounts to Philadelphia have

as yet been complied with.

I am, Dear Sir, &c.

JOHN JAY.

* * * * *

TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.

Paris, June 1st, 1783.

Dear Sir,

I have had the honor of receiving your favor of the 4th of January

last. The cypher you mention to have enclosed is missing. My letter by

Captain Barney affords an answer to the greater part of your

inquiries. Business here goes on heavily. The Dutch and English are

not yet agreed, and some points remain still to be adjusted between

the latter and the French and Spaniards. Mr Hartley has an ample and

proper commission to conclude with us. We are discussing the terms of

a temporary commercial regulation, but as he is waiting for more full

instructions, it may be a week or a fortnight before we shall be able

to inform you of the real intentions of Britain on that subject.

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