SAUCKEL: I believe Kaltenbrunner attended that conference. The meeting
had been called by Reich Minister Lammers.
M. HERZOG: Did you never ask Himmler, in the presence of the Führer, for
the help of the SS in the recruitment of labor?
SAUCKEL: At a discussion with the Führer in January, Reichsführer SS
Himmler was present. On this occasion, as far as I recollect, I pointed
out that the program for the year 1944, which had been drawn up by the
Führer, could not be carried through by me if the partisan menace and
obstruction in certain areas were not removed. And that, of course,
could only be done by the authorities who had jurisdiction there.
M. HERZOG: You admit, therefore, that you asked Reichsführer SS Himmler
to put his police forces at your disposal?
SAUCKEL: No, it is not correct to put it in that way. I have to
contradict you there. Neither I nor my offices could have police forces
put at our disposal. I merely asked for help in those areas where I was
supposed to carry through administrative measures and where a
pacification and restoration of order was first necessary. Otherwise, I
could not carry out my task.
M. HERZOG: I am going to show you Document Number 1292-PS. It has
already been submitted to the Tribunal under Exhibit Number USA-225. It
is the minutes of a meeting held in the presence of the Führer on 4
January 1944. In my document book it is a little way after the marked
document and is also marked with a tab.
On Page 3 of the French text, Page 5 of the German text, you declared:
“Success will depend mainly on what German executive forces are
made available. My action cannot be carried through with native
executive forces.”
Do you recognize that declaration?
SAUCKEL: Will you please indicate the place to me? I have not found it
yet. Which page in German?