M. HERZOG: And the Defendant Göring?

SAUCKEL: At the meetings of the Central Planning Board I personally

never saw the Reich Marshal. I do not know whether certain conferences

which were held at his place had strictly to do with the Central

Planning Board. Some conferences in which he participated took place at

Karinhall, but whether they dealt with matters concerning the Central

Planning Board I cannot say. It was not always clear.

M. HERZOG: But when the Defendants Göring and Funk did not take part in

these meetings were they not represented there?

SAUCKEL: The Reich Marshal was represented by Field Marshal Milch, but

whether Reich Minister Funk was represented I cannot remember exactly.

He might have been represented by Herr Kehrl or someone else. There were

many gentlemen there; I did not know all of them personally.

M. HERZOG: Is it not correct to say that, at these conferences of the

Central Planning Board of the Four Year Plan, the general decisions

concerning the allocation of labor were made by all the people who were

present or were represented?

SAUCKEL: At the Central Planning Board no general decisions were made.

The demands were made known there and, as there was nearly always a

dispute, the higher authorities had to decide; generally it was the

Führer. That happened frequently.

M. HERZOG: The Central Planning Board had established a collaboration

between you and the other defendants who were present or represented

there, is that not so?

SAUCKEL: That collaboration did not originate there, as those questions

had already been discussed before the formation of this Central Planning

Board. The questions were also discussed there, and demands were

submitted and discussed.

M. HERZOG: Will you please take Document Number R-124. It has already

been submitted to the Tribunal under Exhibit Number USA-179. You will

see therein a declaration which you made at the meeting of 1 March 1944.

I read:

“My duty towards the Führer...”

SAUCKEL: Will you please tell me the page from which you are reading?

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