M. HERZOG: Page 1780. The place is no doubt marked.

“My duty towards the Führer, the Reich Marshal, Minister Speer,

and you, gentlemen, as well as towards agriculture, is clear;

and I will fulfill it. As a start we have already 262,000 new

workers; and I hope and am firmly convinced that I shall obtain

most of what has been asked. The labor will have to be

distributed, of course, according to the needs of German

armament first, and secondly, German industry as a whole; and I

shall always be prepared, gentlemen, to see to it that closest

contact is constantly maintained here and that closest

collaboration is given by the subordinated labor exchanges, as

well as by the Gau labor exchanges.”

Therefore, you do not contest the fact that the Central Planning Board

did establish collaboration among the various services which recruited

manpower, because you yourself asked for this collaboration.

SAUCKEL: I did not deny that there was collaboration. Collaboration is

necessary in every regime and in every system. Here we were not

concerned with foreign labor only, but chiefly with German labor, even

at that period. I did not dispute the fact that work was being carried

on; but final decisions were not always made there. That is what I

wanted to say.

M. HERZOG: It is correct that you appointed delegates to represent you

in the various German administrative departments?

SAUCKEL: I did not have representatives in the various administrative

departments. I had liaison men, or else the administrative departments

had liaison men in my office.

M. HERZOG: Did you not have such a liaison officer with the Defendant

Speer, Minister for Armaments and War Production?

SAUCKEL: The man who was constantly with Speer was not a liaison

officer, but the man who talked over with the Minister questions of

demand, _et cetera_, which were pending. As far as I remember it was a

Herr Berk.

M. HERZOG: And did you have a liaison officer with the Reich Minister of

Labor?

SAUCKEL: I had no liaison officer with the Reich Minister of Labor.

There were two departments in the Reich Ministry of Labor which

concerned themselves with these problems in an administrative capacity.

M. HERZOG: In your interrogatory of 12 September 1945 you said as

follows—the Tribunal will find it on Pages 6 and 7 of the

interrogatory:

“‘I had moreover two officials who acted as intermediaries

between Minister Speer and the Ministry of Labor.’

“Question: ‘Did this liaison officer establish a connection

between your Ministry, Minister Speer, and the Ministry of

Labor?’

“Answer: ‘Between me, Minister Speer, and the Ministry of

Labor...’”

SAUCKEL: Will you please tell me the page?

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