CHAPTER XXIV.

GORGIAS.

[Side-note: Persons who debate in the Gorgias. Celebrity of the

historical Gorgias.]

Aristotle, in one of his lost dialogues, made honourable mention of a

Corinthian cultivator, who, on reading the Platonic Gorgias, was

smitten with such vehement admiration, that he abandoned his fields

and his vines, came to Athens forthwith, and committed himself to the

tuition of Plato.[1] How much of reality there may be in this

anecdote, we cannot say: but the Gorgias itself is well calculated to

justify such warm admiration. It opens with a discussion on the

nature and purpose of Rhetoric, but is gradually enlarged so as to

include a comparison of the various schemes of life, and an outline

of positive ethical theory. It is carried on by Sokrates with three

distinct interlocutors--Gorgias, Polus, and Kalliklês; but I must

again remind the reader that all the four are only spokesmen prompted

by Plato himself.[2] It may indeed be considered almost as three

distinct dialogues, connected by a loose thread. The historical

Gorgias, a native of Leontini in Sicily, was the most celebrated of

the Grecian rhetors; an elderly man during Plato's youth. He paid

visits to different cities in all parts of Greece, and gave lessons

in rhetoric to numerous pupils, chiefly young men of ambitious

aspirations.[3]

[Footnote 1: Themistius, Or. xxiii. p. 356, Dindorf. [Greek: O( de\

geôrgo\s o( Kori/nthios tô=| Gorgi/a| xuggeno/menos--ou)k au)tô=|

e)kei/nô| Gorgi/a|, a)lla\ tô=| lo/gô| o(\n Pla/tôn e)/grapsen e)p'

e)le/gchô| tou= sophistou=--au)ti/ka a)phei\s to\n a)/gron kai\ tou\s

a)mpe/lous, Pla/tôni u(pe/thêke tê\n psuchê\n kai\ ta\ e)kei/nou

e)spei/reto kai\ e)phuteu/eto; kai\ ou(=to/s e)stin o(\n tima=|

A)ristote/lês e)n tô=| dialo/gô| tô=| Korinthi/ô|.]]

[Footnote 2: Aristeides, Orat. xlvi. p. 387, Dindorf. [Greek: Ti/s

ga\r ou)k oi)=den, o(/ti kai\ o( Sôkra/tês kai\ o( Kalliklê=s kai\ o(

Gorgi/as kai\ o( Pô=los, pa/nta tau=t' e)sti\ Pla/tôn, pro\s to\

dokou=n au)tô=| tre/pôn tou\s lo/gous?] Though Aristeides asks

reasonably enough, Who is ignorant of this?--the remarks of Stallbaum

and others often imply forgetfulness of it.]

[Footnote 3: Schleiermacher (Einleitung zum Gorgias, vol. iii. p. 22)

is of opinion that Plato composed the Gorgias shortly after returning

from his first voyage to Sicily, 387 B.C.

I shall not contradict this: but I see nothing to prove it. At the

same time, Schleiermacher assumes as certain that Aristophanes in the

Ekklesiazusæ alludes to the doctrines published by Plato in his

Republic (Einleitung zum Gorgias, p. 20). Putting these two

statements together, the Gorgias would be later in date of

composition than the Republic, which I hardly think probable.

However, I do not at all believe that Aristophanes in the

Ekklesiazusæ makes any allusion to the Republic of Plato. Nor shall I

believe, until some evidence is produced, that the Republic was

composed at so early a date as 390 B.C.]

[Side-note: Introductory circumstances of the dialogue.

Polus and Kalliklês.]

Sokrates and Chærephon are described as intending to come to a

rhetorical lecture of Gorgias, but as having been accidentally

detained so as not to arrive until just after it has been finished,

with brilliant success. Kalliklês, however, the host and friend of

Gorgias, promises that the rhetor will readily answer any questions

put by Sokrates; which Gorgias himself confirms, observing at the

same time that no one had asked him any new question for many years

past.[4] Sokrates accordingly asks Gorgias what his profession is?

what it is that he teaches? what is the definition of rhetoric? Not

receiving a satisfactory answer, Sokrates furnishes a definition of

his own: out of which grow two arguments of wide ethical bearing:

carried on by Sokrates, the first against Polus, the second against

Kalliklês. Both these two are represented as voluble speakers, of

confident temper, regarding the acquisition of political power and

oratorical celebrity as the grand objects of life. Polus had even

composed a work on Rhetoric, of which we know nothing: but the tone

of this dialogue would seem to indicate (as far as we can judge from

such evidence) that the style of the work was affected, and the

temper of the author flippant.

[Footnote 4: Plato, Gorg. pp. 447-448 A. The dialogue is supposed to

be carried on in the presence of many persons, seemingly belonging to

the auditory of the lecture which Gorgias has just finished, p. 455

C.]

[Side-note: Purpose of Sokrates in questioning. Conditions of a

good definition.]

Here, as in the other dialogues above noticed, the avowed aim of

Sokrates is--first, to exclude long speaking--next, to get the

question accurately conceived, and answered in an appropriate manner.

Specimens are given of unsuitable and inaccurate answers, which

Sokrates corrects. The conditions of a good definition are made plain

by contrast with bad ones; which either include much more than the

thing defined, or set forth what is accessory and occasional in place

of what is essential and constant. These tentatives and gropings to

find a definition are always instructive, and must have been

especially so in the Platonic age, when logical distinctions had

never yet been made a subject of separate attention or analysis.

[Side-note: Questions about the definition of Rhetoric. It is

the artisan of persuasion.]

About what is Rhetoric as a cognition concerned, Gorgias?

_Gorg._--About words or discourses. _Sokr._--About what

discourses? such as inform sick men how they are to get well?

_Gorg._--No. _Sokr._--It is not about all discourses?

_Gorg._--It makes men competent to speak: of course therefore

also to think, upon the matters on which they speak.[5]

_Sokr._--But the medical and gymnastic arts do this likewise, each

with reference to its respective subject: what then is the difference

between them and Rhetoric? _Gorg._--The difference is, that each

of these other arts tends mainly towards some actual work or

performance, to which the discourses, when required at all, are

subsidiary: but Rhetoric accomplishes every thing by discourses

alone.[6] _Sokr._--But the same may be said about arithmetic,

geometry, and other sciences. How are they distinguished from

Rhetoric? You must tell me upon what matters the discourses with

which Rhetoric is conversant turn; just as you would tell me, if I

asked the like question about arithmetic or astronomy.

_Gorg._--The discourses, with which Rhetoric is conversant, turn upon

the greatest of all human affairs. _Sokr._--But this too, Gorgias,

is indistinct and equivocal. Every man, the physician, the gymnast,

the money-maker, thinks his own object and his own affairs the

greatest of all.[7] _Gorg._--The function of Rhetoric, is to

persuade assembled multitudes, and thus to secure what are in truth

the greatest benefits: freedom to the city, political command to the

speaker.[8] _Sokr._--Rhetoric is then the artisan of persuasion.

Its single purpose is to produce persuasion in the minds of hearers?

_Gorg._--It is so.

[Footnote 5: Plato, Gorgias, p. 449 E. [Greek: Ou)kou=n peri\ ô(=nper

le/gein, kai\ phronei=n? Pô=s ga\r ou)/?]]

[Footnote 6: Plato, Gorgias, p. 450 B-C. [Greek: tê=s r(êtorikê=s

. . . . pa=sa ê( pra=xis kai\ ê( ku/rôsis dia\ lo/gôn e)sti/n . . . .]]

[Footnote 7: Plato, Gorgias, pp. 451-452.]

[Footnote 8: Plato, Gorgias, p. 452 D. [Greek: O(/per e)/sti tê=|

a)lêthei/a| me/giston a)gatho/n, kai\ ai)/tion, a)/ma me\n

e)leutheri/as au)toi=s toi=s a)nthrô/pois, a)/ma de\ tou= a)/llôn

a)/rchein e)n tê=| au(tou= po/lei e(ka/stô|.]]

[Side-note: The Rhetor produces belief without knowledge. Upon

what matters is he competent to advise?]

_Sokr._--But are there not other persons besides the Rhetor, who

produce persuasion? Does not the arithmetical teacher, and every

other teacher, produce persuasion? How does the Rhetor differ

from them? What mode of persuasion does he bring about? Persuasion

about what? _Gorg._--I reply--it is that persuasion which is

brought about in Dikasteries, and other assembled multitudes--and

which relates to just and unjust.[9] _Sokr._--You recognise that

to have learnt and to know any matter, is one thing--to believe it,

is another: that knowledge and belief are different--knowledge being

always true, belief sometimes false? _Gorg._--Yes. _Sokr._--We

must then distinguish two sorts of persuasion: one carrying with

it knowledge--the other belief without knowledge. Which of the two

does the Rhetor bring about? _Gorg._--That which produces belief

without knowledge. He can teach nothing. _Sokr._--Well, then,

Gorgias, on what matters will the Rhetor be competent to advise? When

the people are deliberating about the choice of generals or

physicians, about the construction of docks, about practical

questions of any kind--there will be in each case a special man

informed and competent to teach or give counsel, while the Rhetor is

not competent. Upon what then can the Rhetor advise--upon just and

unjust--nothing else?[10]

[Footnote 9: Plato, Gorgias, p. 454 B.]

[Footnote 10: Plato, Gorgias, p. 455 D.]

[Side-note: The Rhetor can persuade the people upon any matter,

even against the opinion of the special expert. He appears to know,

among the ignorant.]

The Rhetor (says Gorgias) or accomplished public speaker, will give

advice about all the matters that you name, and others besides. He

will persuade the people and carry them along with him, even against

the opinion of the special _Expert_. He will talk more

persuasively than the craftsman about matters of the craftsman's own

business. The power of the Rhetor is thus very great: but he ought to

use it, like all other powers, for just and honest purposes; not to

abuse it for wrong and oppression. If he does the latter, the misdeed

is his own, and not the fault of his teacher, who gave his lessons

with a view that they should be turned to proper use. If a man, who

has learnt the use of arms, employs them to commit murder, this abuse

ought not to be imputed to his master of arms.[11]

[Footnote 11: Plato, Gorgias, pp. 456-457.]

You mean (replies Sokrates) that he, who has learnt Rhetoric from

you, will become competent not to teach, but to persuade the

multitude:--that is, competent among the ignorant. He has acquired an

engine of persuasion; so that he will appear, when addressing the

ignorant, to know more than those who really do know.[12]

[Footnote 12: Plato, Gorgias, p. 459 B. [Greek: Ou)kou=n kai\ peri\

ta\s a)/llas a(pa/sas te/chnas ô(sau/tôs e)/chei o( r(ê/tôr kai\ ê(

r(êtorikê/; au)ta\ me\n ta\ pra/gmata ou)de\n dei= au)tê\n ei)de/nai

o(/pôs e)/chei, mêchanê\n de/ tina peithou=s eu(rêke/nai, ô(/ste

phai/nesthai toi=s ou)k ei)do/si ma=llon ei)de/nai tô=n ei)do/tôn.]]

* * * * *

[Side-note: Gorgias is now made to contradict himself. Polus

takes up the debate with Sokrates.]

Thus far, the conversation is carried on between Sokrates and

Gorgias. But the latter is now made to contradict himself--apparently

rather than really--for the argument whereby Sokrates reduces him to

a contradiction, is not tenable, unless we admit the Platonic

doctrine that the man who has learnt just and unjust, may be relied

on to act as a just man;[13] in other words, that virtue consists in

knowledge.

[Footnote 13: Plato, Gorgias, p. 460 B. [Greek: o( ta\ di/kaia

memathêkô/s, di/kaios]. Aristotle notices this confusion of Sokrates,

who falls into it also in the conversation with Euthydemus, Xenoph.

Memorab. iv. 2, 20, iii. 9, 5.]

[Side-note: Polemical tone of Sokrates. At the instance of

Polus he gives his own definition of rhetoric. It is no art, but an

empirical knack of catering for the immediate pleasure of hearers,

analogous to cookery. It is a branch under the general head

flattery.]

Polus now interferes and takes up the conversation: challenging

Sokrates to furnish what _he_ thinks the proper definition of

Rhetoric. Sokrates obeys, in a tone of pungent polemic. Rhetoric (he

says) is no art at all, but an empirical knack of catering for the

pleasure and favour of hearers; analogous to cookery.[14] It is a

talent falling under the general aptitude called Flattery; possessed

by some bold spirits, who are forward in divining and adapting

themselves to the temper of the public.[15] It is not honourable, but

a mean pursuit, like cookery. It is the shadow or false imitation of

a branch of the political art.[16] In reference both to the body and

the mind, there are two different conditions: one, a condition really

and truly good--the other, good only in fallacious appearance,

and not so in reality. To produce, and to verify, the really good

condition of the body, there are two specially qualified professions,

the gymnast or trainer and the physician: in regard to the mind, the

function of the trainer is performed by the law-giving power, that of

the physician by the judicial power. Law-making, and adjudicating,

are both branches of the political art, and when put together make up

the whole of it. Gymnastic and medicine train and doctor the body

towards its really best condition: law-making and adjudicating do the

same in regard to the mind. To each of the four, there corresponds a

sham counterpart or mimic, a branch under the general head

_flattery_--taking no account of what is really best, but only

of that which is most agreeable for the moment, and by this trick

recommending itself to a fallacious esteem.[17] Thus Cosmetic, or

Ornamental Trickery, is the counterfeit of Gymnastic; and Cookery the

counterfeit of Medicine. Cookery studies only what is immediately

agreeable to the body, without considering whether it be good or

wholesome: and does this moreover, without any truly scientific

process of observation or inference, but simply by an empirical

process of memory or analogy. But Medicine examines, and that too by

scientific method, only what is good and wholesome for the body,

whether agreeable or not. Amidst ignorant men, Cookery slips in as

the counterfeit of medicine; pretending to know what food is

_good_ for the body, while it really knows only what food is

_agreeable_. In like manner, the artifices of ornament dress up

the body to a false appearance of that vigour and symmetry, which

Gymnastics impart to it really and intrinsically.

[Footnote 14: Plato, Gorgias, p. 462 C. [Greek: e)mpeiri/a . . . .

cha/rito/s tinos kai\ ê(donê=s a)pergasi/as]. In the Philêbus (pp.

55-56) Sokrates treats [Greek: i)atrikê\] differently, as falling

short of the idea of [Greek: te/chnê], and coming much nearer to what

is here called [Greek: e)mpeiri/a] or [Greek: stochastikê/].

Asklepiades was displeased with the Thracian Dionysius for calling

[Greek: grammatikê\] by the name of [Greek: e)mpeiri/a] instead of

[Greek: te/chnê]: see Sextus Empiric. adv. Grammat. s. 57-72, p. 615,

Bekk.]

[Footnote 15: Plato, Gorgias, p. 463 A. [Greek: dokei= moi ei)=nai/

ti e)pitê/deuma, techniko\n me\n ou)/, psuchê=s de\ stochastikê=s

kai\ a)ndrei/as kai\ phu/sei deinê=s prosomilei=n toi=s a)nthrô/pois;

kalô= de\ au)tou= e)gô\ to\ kepha/laion _kolakei/an_.]]

[Footnote 16: Plato, Gorgias, p. 463 D. [Greek: politikê=s mori/ou

ei)/dôlon].]

[Footnote 17: Plato, Gorgias, p. 464 C. [Greek: tetta/rôn dê\ tou/tôn

ou)sô=n, kai\ a)ei\ pro\s to\ be/ltiston therapeuousô=n, tô=n me\n

to\ sô=ma, tô=n de\ tê\n psuchê/n, ê( kolakeutikê\ ai)sthome/nê, ou)

gnou=sa le/gô a)lla\ stochasame/nê, te/tracha e(autê\n dianei/masa,

u(podu=sa u(po\ e(/kaston tô=n mori/ôn, prospoiei=tai ei)=nai tou=to

o(/per u(pe/du; kai\ tou= me\n belti/stou ou)de\n phronti/zei, tô=|

de\ a)ei\ ê(di/stô| thêreu/etai tê\n a)/noian kai\ e)xapata=|, ô(/ste

dokei= plei/stou a)xi/a ei)=nai.]]

[Side-note: Distinction between the true arts which aim at the

good of the body and mind--and the counterfeit arts, which pretend to

the same, but in reality aim at immediate pleasure.]

The same analogies hold in regard to the mind. Sophistic is the

shadow or counterfeit of law-giving: Rhetoric, of judging or

adjudicating. The lawgiver and the judge aim at what is good for the

mind: the Sophist and the Rhetor aim at what is agreeable to it. This

distinction between them (continues Sokrates) is true and real:

though it often happens that the Sophist is, both by himself and by

others, confounded with and mistaken for the lawgiver, because he

deals with the same topics and occurrences: and the Rhetor, in the

same manner, is confounded with the judge.[18] The Sophist and the

Rhetor, addressing themselves to the present relish of an

undiscerning public, are enabled to usurp the functions and the

credit of their more severe and far-sighted rivals.

[Footnote 18: Plato, Gorgias, p. 465 C. [Greek: die/stêke me\n ou(/tô

phu/sei; a(/te de\ e)ggu\s o)/ntôn, phu/rontai e)n tô=| au)tô=| kai\

peri\ tau)ta\ sophistai\ kai\ r(ê/tores, kai\ ou)k e)/chousin o(/, ti

chrê/sôntai ou)/te au)toi\ e(autoi=s ou)/te oi( a)/lloi a)/nthrôpoi

tou/tois.]

It seems to me that the persons whom Plato here designates as being

confounded together are, the Sophist with the lawgiver, the Rhetor

with the judge or dikast; which is shown by the allusion, three lines

farther on, to the confusion between the cook and the physician.

Heindorf supposes that the persons designated as being confounded

are, the Sophist with the Rhetor; which I cannot think to be the

meaning of Plato.]

[Side-note: Questions of Polus. Sokrates denies that the

Rhetors have any real power, because they do nothing which they

really wish.]

This is the definition given by Sokrates of Rhetoric and of the

Rhetor. Polus then asks him: You say that Rhetoric is a branch of

Flattery: Do you think that good Rhetors are considered as flatterers

in their respective cities? _Sokr._--I do not think that[19]

they are considered at all. _Polus._--How! not considered? Do

not good Rhetors possess great power in their respective cities?

_Sokr._--No: if you understand the possession of power as a good

thing for the possessor. _Polus._--I do understand it so.

_Sokr._--Then I say that the Rhetors possess nothing beyond the

very minimum of power. _Polus._--How can that be? Do not they,

like despots, kill, impoverish, and expel any one whom they please?

_Sokr._--I admit that both Rhetors and Despots can do what seems

good to themselves, and can bring penalties of death, poverty, or

exile upon others: but I say that nevertheless they have no

power, because they can do nothing which they really wish.[20]

[Footnote 19: Plat. Gorg. p. 466 B. _Polus._ [Greek: A)=r'

ou)=n dokou=si/ soi ô(s ko/lakes e)n tai=s po/lesi phau=loi

nomi/zesthai oi( a)gathoi\ r(ê/tores? . . . . ] _Sokr._ [Greek:

Ou)de\ nomi/zesthai e)/moige dokou=sin.]

The play on words here--for I see nothing else in it--can be

expressed in English as well as in Greek. It has very little

pertinence; because, as a matter of fact, the Rhetors certainly had

considerable importance, whether they deserved it or not. How little

Plato cared to make his comparisons harmonise with the fact, may be

seen by what immediately follows--where he compares the Rhetors to

Despots? and puts in the mouth of Polus the assertion that they kill

or banish any one whom they choose.]

[Footnote 20: Plato, Gorgias, p. 466 E. [Greek: ou)de\n ga\r poiei=n

ô(=n bou/lontai, ô(s e)/pos ei)pei=n; poiei=n me/ntoi o(\, ti a)\n

au)toi=s do/xê| be/ltiston ei)=nai.]]

[Side-note: All men wish for what is good for them. Despots

and Rhetors, when they kill any one, do so because they think it good

for them. If it be really not good, they do not do what they will,

and therefore have no real power.]

That which men wish (Sokrates lays down as a general proposition) is

to obtain good, and to escape evil. Each separate act which they

perform, is performed not with a view to its own special result, but

with a view to these constant and paramount ends. Good things, or

profitable things (for Sokrates alternates the phrases as

equivalent), are wisdom, health, wealth, and other such things. Evil

things are the contraries of these.[21] Many things are in themselves

neither good nor evil, but may become one or the other, according to

circumstances--such as stones, wood, the acts of sitting still or

moving, &c. When we do any of these indifferent acts, it is with

a view to the pursuit of good, or to the avoidance of evil: we do not

wish for the act, we wish for its good or profitable results. We do

every thing for the sake of good: and if the results are really good

or profitable, we accomplish what we wish: if the contrary, not. Now,

Despots and Rhetors, when they kill or banish or impoverish any one,

do so because they think it will be better for them, or

profitable.[22] If it be good for them, they do what they wish: if

evil for them, they do the contrary of what they wish and therefore

have no power.

[Footnote 21: Plato, Gorgias, p. 467 E. [Greek: Ou)kou=n le/geis

ei)=nai a)gatho\n me\n sophi/an te kai\ u(gi/eian kai\ plou=ton kai\

ta)/lla ta\ toiau=ta, kaka\ de\ ta)nanti/a tou/tôn? E)/gôge.]]

[Footnote 22: Plato, Gorgias, p. 468 B-C. [Greek: ou)kou=n kai\

a)pokti/nnumen, ei)/ tin' a)pokti/nnumen, . . . . oi)o/menoi a)/meinon

ei)=nai ê(mi=n tau=ta ê)\ mê/? . . . e(/nek' a)/ra tou= a)gathou=

a(/panta tau=ta poiou=sin oi( poiou=ntes . . . . e)a\n me\n ô)phe/lima

ê)=| tau=ta, boulo/metha pra/ttein au)ta/; blabera\ de\ o)/nta, ou)

boulo/metha. . . . . ta\ ga\r a)gatha\ boulo/metha, ô(=s phê\|s su/],

&c.]

To do evil (continues Sokrates), is the worst thing that can happen

to any one; the evil-doer is the most miserable and pitiable of men.

The person who suffers evil is unfortunate, and is to be pitied; but

much less unfortunate and less to be pitied than the evil-doer. If I

have a concealed dagger in the public market-place, I can kill any

one whom I choose: but this is no good to me, nor is it a proof of

great power, because I shall be forthwith taken up and punished. The

result is not profitable, but hurtful: therefore the act is not

good, nor is the power to do it either good or desirable.[23] It is

sometimes good to kill, banish, or impoverish--sometimes bad. It is

good when you do it justly: bad, when you do it unjustly.[24]

[Footnote 23: Plato, Gorgias, p. 469-470.]

[Footnote 24: Plato, Gorgias, p. 470 C.]

[Side-note: Comparison of Archelaus, usurping despot of

Macedonia--Polus affirms that Archelaus is happy, and that every one

thinks so--Sokrates admits that every one thinks so, but nevertheless

denies it.]

_Polus._--A child can refute such doctrine. You have heard of

Archelaus King of Macedonia. Is he, in your opinion, happy or

miserable? _Sokr._--I do not know: I have never been in his

society. _Polus._--Cannot you tell without that, whether he is

happy or not? _Sokr._--No, certainly not. _Polus._--Then

you will not call even the Great King happy? _Sokr._--No: I do

not know how he stands in respect to education and justice.

_Polus._--What! does all happiness consist in that?

_Sokr._--I say that it does. I maintain that the good and

honourable man or woman is happy: the unjust and wicked,

miserable.[25] _Polus._--Then Archelaus is miserable, according

to your doctrine? _Sokr._--Assuredly, if he is wicked.

_Polus._--Wicked, of course; since he has committed enormous

crimes: but he has obtained complete kingly power in Macedonia. Is

there any Athenian, yourself included, who would not rather be

Archelaus than any other man in Macedonia?[26] _Sokr._--All the

public, with Nikias, Perikles, and the most eminent men among them,

will agree with you in declaring Archelaus to be happy. I alone do

not agree with you. You, like a Rhetor, intend to overwhelm me and

gain your cause, by calling a multitude of witnesses: I shall prove

my case without calling any other witness than yourself.[27] Do you

think that Archelaus would have been a happy man, if he had been

defeated in his conspiracy and punished? _Polus._--Certainly

not: he would then have been very miserable. _Sokr._--Here again

I differ from you: I think that Archelaus, or any other wicked man,

is under all circumstances miserable; but he is less miserable, if

afterwards punished, than he would be if unpunished and

successful.[28] _Polus._--How say you? If a man, unjustly

conspiring to become despot, be captured, subjected to torture,

mutilated, with his eyes burnt out and with many other outrages

inflicted, not only upon himself but upon his wife and children--do

you say that he will be more happy than if he succeeded in his

enterprise, and passed his life in possession of undisputed authority

over his city--envied and extolled as happy, by citizens and

strangers alike?[29] _Sokr._--More happy, I shall not say: for

in both cases he will be miserable; but he will be less miserable on

the former supposition.

[Footnote 25: Plato, Gorgias, p. 470 E.]

[Footnote 26: Plato, Gorgias, p. 471 B-C.]

[Footnote 27: Plato, Gorgias, p. 472 B. [Greek: A)ll' e)gô/ soi ei)=s

ô)\n ou)ch o(mologô=. . . . e)gô\ de\ a)\n mê\ se\ au)to\n e(/na o)/nta

ma/rtura para/schômai o(mologou=nta peri\ ô(=n le/gô, ou)de\n

oi)=mai a)/xion lo/gou pepera/nthai peri\ ô(=n a)\n ê(mi=n o( lo/gos

ê)=|; oi)=mai de\ ou)de\ soi/, e)a\n mê\ e)gô/ soi marturô= ei(=s

ô)\n mo/nos, tou\s d' a)/llous pa/ntas tou/tous chai/rein e)a=|s.]]

[Footnote 28: Plato, Gorgias, p. 473 C.]

[Footnote 29: Plato, Gorgias, p. 473 D.]

[Side-note: Sokrates maintains--1. That it is a greater evil

to do wrong, than to suffer wrong. 2. That if a man has done wrong,

it is better for him to be punished than to remain unpunished.]

_Sokr._--Which of the two is worst: to do wrong, or to suffer

wrong? _Polus._--To suffer wrong. _Sokr._--Which of the two

is the most disgraceful? _Polus._--To do wrong. _Sokr._--If

more ugly and disgraceful, is it not then worse? _Polus._--By no

means. _Sokr._--You do not think then that the good--and the

fine or honourable--are one and the same; nor the bad--and the ugly

or disgraceful? _Polus._--No: certainly not. _Sokr._--How

is this? Are not all fine or honourable things, such as bodies,

colours, figures, voices, pursuits, &c., so denominated from some

common property? Are not fine bodies said to be fine, either from

rendering some useful service, or from affording some pleasure to the

spectator who contemplates them?[30] And are not figures, colours,

voices, laws, sciences, &c., called fine or honourable for the

same reason, either for their agreeableness or their usefulness, or

both? _Polus._--Certainly: your definition of the fine or

honourable, by reference to pleasure, or to good, is satisfactory.

_Sokr._--Of course therefore the ugly or disgraceful must be

defined by the contrary, by reference to pain or to evil?

_Polus._--Doubtless.[31] _Sokr._--If therefore one thing be

finer or more honourable than another, this is because it

surpasses the other either in pleasure, or in profit: if one thing be

more ugly or disgraceful than another, it must surpass that other

either in pain, or in evil? _Polus._--Yes.

[Footnote 30: Plat. Gorg. p. 474 D. [Greek: e)a\n e)n tô=|

theôrei=sthai chai/rein poiê=| tou\s theôrou=ntas?]]

[Footnote 31: Plato, Gorgias, p. 474 E. _Sokr._ [Greek: Kai\

mê\n ta/ ge kata\ tou\s no/mous kai\ ta\ e)pitêdeu/mata, ou) dê/pou

e)kto\s tou/tôn e)sti\ ta\ kala/, tou= ê)\ _ô)phe/lima ei)=nai ê)\

ê(de/a ê)\_ a)mpho/tera.] _Pol._ [Greek: Ou)k e)/moige

dokei=.] _Sokr._ [Greek: Ou)kou=n kai\ tô=n mathêma/tôn ka/llos

ô(sau/tôs?] _Pol._ [Greek: Pa/nu ge; kai\ kalô=s ge nu=n

o(rizei, _ê(donê=| te kai\ a)gathô=|_ o(rizo/menos to\ kalo/n.]

_Sokr._ [Greek: Ou)kou=n to\ ai)schro\n tô=| e)nanti/ô|,

_lu/pê| te kai\ kakô=|_?] _Pol._ [Greek: A)na/gkê.]

A little farther on [Greek: blabê\] is used as equivalent to [Greek:

kako/n]. These words--[Greek: kalo/n, ai)schro/n]--(very difficult to

translate properly) introduce a reference to the feeling or judgment

of spectators, or of an undefined public, not concerned either as

agents or sufferers.]

[Side-note: Sokrates offers proof--Definition of Pulchrum and

Turpe--Proof of the first point.]

_Sokr._--Well, then! what did you say about doing wrong and

suffering wrong? You said that to suffer wrong was the worst of the

two, but to do wrong was the most ugly or disgraceful. Now, if to do

wrong be more disgraceful than to suffer wrong, this must be because

it has a preponderance either of pain or of evil?

_Polus._--Undoubtedly. _Sokr._--Has it a preponderance of pain? Does

the doer of wrong endure more pain than the sufferer?

_Polus._--Certainly not. _Sokr._--Then it must have a preponderance

of evil? _Polus._--Yes. _Sokr._--To do wrong therefore is

worse than to suffer wrong, as well as more disgraceful?

_Polus._--It appears so. _Sokr._--Since therefore it is

both worse and more disgraceful, I was right in affirming that

neither you, nor I, nor any one else, would choose to do wrong in

preference to suffering wrong. _Polus._--So it seems.[32]

[Footnote 32: Plato, Gorgias, p. 475 C-D.]

[Side-note: Proof of the second point.]

_Sokr._--Now let us take the second point--Whether it be the

greatest evil for the wrong-doer to be punished, or whether it be not

a still greater evil for him to remain unpunished. If punished, the

wrong-doer is of course punished justly; and are not all just things

fine or honourable, in so far as they are just? _Polus._--I

think so. _Sokr._--When a man does anything, must there not be

some correlate which suffers; and must it not suffer in a way

corresponding to what the doer does? Thus if any one strikes, there

must also be something stricken: and if he strikes quickly or

violently, there must be something which is stricken quickly or

violently. And so, if any one burns or cuts, there must be something

burnt or cut. As the agent acts, so the patient suffers.

_Polus._--Yes. _Sokr._--Now if a man be punished for wrong

doing, he suffers what is just, and the punisher does what is just?

_Polus._--He does. _Sokr._--You admitted that all just

things were honourable: therefore the agent does what is honourable,

the patient suffers what is honourable.[33] But if honourable, it

must be either agreeable--or good and profitable. In this case,

it is certainly not agreeable: it must therefore be good and

profitable. The wrong-doer therefore, when punished, suffers what is

good and is profited. _Polus._--Yes.[34] _Sokr._--In what

manner is he profited? It is, as I presume, by becoming better in his

mind--by being relieved from badness of mind.

_Polus._--Probably. _Sokr._--Is not this badness of mind the greatest

evil? In regard to wealth, the special badness is poverty: in regard

to the body, it is weakness, sickness, deformity, &c.: in regard

to the mind, it is ignorance, injustice, cowardice, &c. Is not

injustice, and other badness of mind, the most disgraceful of the

three? _Polus._--Decidedly. _Sokr._--If it be most

disgraceful, it must therefore be the worst. _Polus._--How?

_Sokr._--It must (as we before agreed) have the greatest

preponderance either of pain, or of hurt and evil. But the

preponderance is not in pain: for no one will say that the being

unjust and intemperate and ignorant, is more painful than being poor

and sick. The preponderance must therefore be great in hurt and evil.

Mental badness is therefore a greater evil than either poverty, or

disease and bodily deformity. It is the greatest of human evils.

_Polus._--It appears so.[35]

[Footnote 33: See Aristotle, Rhet. i. 9, p. 1366, b. 30, where the

contrary of this opinion is maintained, and maintained with truth.]

[Footnote 34: Plato, Gorgias, p. 476 D-E.]

[Footnote 35: Plato, Gorgias, p. 477 E.]

[Side-note: The criminal labours under a mental distemper,

which though not painful, is a capital evil. Punishment is the only

cure for him. To be punished is best for him.]

_Sokr._--The money-making art is, that which relieves us from

poverty: the medical art, from sickness and weakness: the judicial or

punitory, from injustice and wickedness of mind. Of these three

relieving forces, which is the most honourable? _Polus._--The

last, by far. _Sokr._--If most honourable, it confers either

most pleasure or most profit? _Polus._--Yes. _Sokr._--Now,

to go through medical treatment is not agreeable; but it answers to a

man to undergo the pain, in order to get rid of a great evil, and to

become well. He would be a happier man, if he were never sick: he is

less miserable by undergoing the painful treatment and becoming well,

than if he underwent no treatment and remained sick. Just so the man

who is mentally bad: the happiest man is he who never becomes so; but

if a man has become so, the next best course for him is, to undergo

punishment and to get rid of the evil. The worst lot of all is, that

of him who remains mentally bad, without ever getting rid of

badness.[36]

[Footnote 36: Plato, Gorgias, p. 478 D-E.]

[Side-note: Misery of the Despot who is never punished. If our

friend has done wrong, we ought to get him punished: if our enemy, we

ought to keep him unpunished.]

This last, Polus (continues Sokrates), is the condition of Archelaus,

and of despots and Rhetors generally. They possess power which

enables them, after they have committed injustice, to guard

themselves against being punished: which is just as if a sick man

were to pride himself upon having taken precautions against being

cured. They see the pain of the cure, but they are blind to the

profit of it; they are ignorant how much more miserable it is to have

an unhealthy and unjust mind than an unhealthy body.[37] There is

therefore little use in Rhetoric: for our first object ought to be,

to avoid doing wrong: our next object, if we have done wrong, not to

resist or elude punishment by skilful defence, but to present

ourselves voluntarily and invite it: and if our friends or relatives

have done wrong, far from helping to defend them, we ought ourselves

to accuse them, and to invoke punishment upon them also.[38] On the

other hand, as to our enemy, we ought undoubtedly to take precautions

against suffering any wrong from him ourselves: but if he has done

wrong to others, we ought to do all we can, by word or deed, not to

bring him to punishment, but to prevent him from suffering punishment

or making compensation: so that he may live as long as possible in

impunity.[39] These are the purposes towards which rhetoric is

serviceable. For one who intends to do no wrong, it seems of no great

use.[40]

[Footnote 37: Plato, Gorgias, p. 479 B. [Greek: to\ a)lgeino\n

au)tou= kathora=|n, pro\s de\ to\ ô)phe/limon tuphlô=s e)/chein, kai\

a)gnoei=n o(/sô| a)thliô/tero/n e)sti mê\ u(giou=s sô/matos mê\

u(giei= psuchê=| sunoikei=n, a)lla\ sathra=| kai\ a)di/kô| kai\

a)nosi/ô|.]]

[Footnote 38: Plato, Gorgias, pp. 480 C, 508 B. [Greek: katêgorête/on

ei)/ê kai\ au(tou= kai\ ui(e/os kai\ e(tai/ron, e)a/n ti a)dikê=|],

&c.

Plato might have put this argument into the mouth of Euthyphron as a

reason for indicting his own father on the charge of murder: as I

have already observed in reviewing the Euthyphron, which see above,

vol. i. ch. xi., p. 442.]

[Footnote 39: Plato, Gorgias, p. 481 A. [Greek: e)a\n de\ a)/llon

a)dikê=| o( e)chthro/s, panti\ tro/pô| paraskeuaste/on kai\

pra/ttonta kai\ le/gonta, o(/pôs mê\ dô=| di/kên. . . . e)a/n te

chrusi/on ê(rpakô\s ê)=| polu/, mê\ a)podidô=| tou=to, a)ll' e)/chôn

a)nali/skêtai . . . a)di/kôs kai\ a)the/ôs], &c.]

[Footnote 40: Plato, Gorgias, p. 481.]

* * * * *

This dialogue between Sokrates and Polus exhibits a

representation of Platonic Ethics longer and more continuous

than is usual in the dialogues. I have therefore given a tolerably

copious abridgment of it, and shall now proceed to comment upon its

reasoning.

[Side-note: Argument of Sokrates paradoxical--Doubt expressed

by Kallikles whether he means it seriously.]

The whole tenor of its assumptions, as well as the conclusions in

which it ends, are so repugnant to received opinions, that Polus,

even while compelled to assent, treats it as a paradox: while

Kallikles, who now takes up the argument, begins by asking from

Chærephon--"Is Sokrates really in earnest, or is he only

jesting?"[41] Sokrates himself admits that he stands almost alone. He

has nothing to rely upon, except the consistency of his dialectics--and

the verdict of philosophy.[42] This however is a matter of little

moment, in discussing the truth and value of the reasoning, except in

so far as it involves an appeal to the judgment of the public as a

matter of fact. Plato follows out the train of reasoning--which at

the time presents itself to his mind as conclusive, or at least as

plausible--whether he may agree or disagree with others.

[Footnote 41: Plato, Gorgias, p. 481.]

[Footnote 42: Plato, Gorgias, p. 482.]

[Side-note: Principle laid down by Sokrates--That every one

acts with a view to the attainment of happiness and avoidance of

misery.]

Plato has ranked the Rhetor in the same category as the Despot: a

classification upon which I shall say something presently. But

throughout the part of the dialogue just extracted, he treats the

original question about Rhetoric as part of a much larger ethical

question.[43] Every one (argues Sokrates) wishes for the attainment

of good and for the avoidance of evil. Every one performs each

separate act with a view not to its own immediate end, but to one or

other of these permanent ends. In so far as he attains them, he is

happy: in so far as he either fails in attaining the good, or incurs

the evil, he is unhappy or miserable. The good and honourable man or

woman is happy, the unjust and wicked is miserable. Power acquired or

employed unjustly, is no boon to the possessor: for he does not

thereby obtain what he really wishes, good or happiness; but incurs

the contrary, evil and misery. The man who does wrong is more

miserable than he who suffers wrong: but the most miserable of all is

he who does wrong and then remains unpunished for it.[44]

[Footnote 43: I may be told that this comparison is first made by

Polus (p. 466 C), and that Sokrates only takes it up from him to

comment upon. True, but the speech of Polus is just as much the

composition of Plato as that of Sokrates. Many readers of Plato are

apt to forget this.]

[Footnote 44: Isokrates, in his Panathenaic Oration (Or. xii. sect.

126, pp. 257-347), alludes to the same thesis as this here advanced

by Plato, treating it as one which all men of sense would reject, and

which none but a few men pretending to be wise would

proclaim--[Greek: a(/per a(/pantes me\n a)\n oi( nou=n e)/chontes

e)/lointo kai\ boulêthei=en, o)li/goi de/ tines tô=n prospoioume/nôn

ei)=nai sophô=n, e)rôtêthe/ntes ou)k a)\n phê/saien.]

In this last phrase Isokrates probably has Plato in his mind, though

without pronouncing the name.]

Polus, on the other hand, contends, that Archelaus, who has "waded

through slaughter" to the throne of Macedonia, is a happy man both in

his own feelings and in those of every one else, envied and admired

by the world generally: That to say--Archelaus would have been more

happy, or less miserable, if he had failed in his enterprise and had

been put to death under cruel torture--is an untenable paradox.

[Side-note: Peculiar view taken by Plato of Good--Evil--Happiness.]

The issue here turns, and the force of Plato's argument rests

(assuming Sokrates to speak the real sentiments of Plato), upon

the peculiar sense which he gives to the words

Good--Evil--Happiness:--different from the sense in which they are

conceived by mankind generally, and which is here followed by Polus.

It is possible that to minds like Sokrates and Plato, the idea of

themselves committing enormous crimes for ambitious purposes might be

the most intolerable of all ideas, worse to contemplate than any amount of

suffering: moreover, that if they could conceive themselves as having been

thus guilty, the sequel the least intolerable for them to imagine would

be one of expiatory pain. This, taken as the personal sentiment of

Plato, admits of no reply. But when he attempts to convert this

subjective judgment into an objective conclusion binding on all, he

fails of success, and misleads himself by equivocal language.

[Side-note: Contrast of the usual meaning of these words, with

the Platonic meaning.]

Plato distinguishes two general objects of human desire, and two of

human aversion. 1. The immediate, and generally transient,

object--Pleasure or the Pleasurable--Pain or the Painful. 2. The distant,

ulterior, and more permanent object--Good or the profitable--Evil or

the hurtful.--In the attainment of Good and avoidance of Evil

consists happiness. But now comes the important question--In what

sense are we to understand the words Good and Evil? What did

Plato mean by them? Did he mean the same as mankind generally? Have

mankind generally one uniform meaning? In answer to this question, we

must say, that neither Plato, nor mankind generally, are consistent

or unanimous in their use of the words: and that Plato sometimes

approximates to, sometimes diverges from, the more usual meaning.

Plato does not here tell us clearly what he himself means by Good and

Evil: he specifies no objective or external mark by which we may know

it: we learn only, that Good is a mental perfection--Evil a mental

taint--answering to indescribable but characteristic sentiments in

Plato's own mind, and only negatively determined by this

circumstance--That they have no reference either to pleasure or pain.

In the vulgar sense, Good stands distinguished from pleasure (or

relief from pain), and Evil from pain (or loss of pleasure), as the

remote, the causal, the lasting from the present, the product, the

transient. Good and Evil are explained by enumerating all the things

so called, of which enumeration Plato gives a partial specimen in

this dialogue: elsewhere he dwells upon what he calls the Idea of

Good, of which I shall speak more fully hereafter. Having said that

all men aim at good, he gives, as examples of good things--Wisdom,

Health, Wealth, and other such things: while the contrary of these,

Stupidity, Sickness, Poverty, are evil things: the list of course

might be much enlarged. Taking Good and Evil generally to denote the

common property of each of these lists, it is true that men perform a

large portion of their acts with a view to attain the former and

avoid the latter:--that the approach which they make to happiness

depends, speaking generally, upon the success which attends their

exertions for the attainment of and avoidance of these permanent

ends: and moreover that these ends have their ultimate reference to

each man's own feelings.

But this meaning of Good is no longer preserved, when Sokrates

proceeds to prove that the triumphant usurper Archelaus is the most

miserable of men, and that to do wrong with impunity is the greatest

of all evils.

[Side-note: Examination of the proof given by Sokrates--Inconsistency

between the general answer of Polus and his previous

declarations--Law and Nature.]

Sokrates provides a basis for his intended proof by asking Polus,[45]

which of the two is most disgraceful--To do wrong--or to suffer

wrong? Polus answers--To do wrong: and this answer is

inconsistent with what he had previously said about Archelaus. That

prince, though a wrong-doer on the largest scale, has been declared

by Polus to be an object of his supreme envy and admiration: while

Sokrates also admits that this is the sentiment of almost all

mankind, except himself. To be consistent with such an assertion,

Polus ought to have answered the contrary of what he does answer,

when the general question is afterwards put to him: or at least he

ought to have said--"Sometimes the one, sometimes the other". But

this he is ashamed to do, as we shall find Kallikles intimating at a

subsequent stage of the dialogue:[46] because of King Nomos, or the

established habit of the community--who feel that society rests upon

a sentiment of reciprocal right and obligation animating every one,

and require that violations of that sentiment shall be marked with

censure in general words, however widely the critical feeling may

depart from such censure in particular cases.[47] Polus is forced to

make profession of a faith, which neither he nor others (except

Sokrates with a few companions) universally or consistently apply. To

bring such a force to bear upon the opponent, was one of the known

artifices of dialecticians:[48] and Sokrates makes it his point of

departure, to prove the unparalleled misery of Archelaus.

[Footnote 45: Plat. Gorg. p. 474 C.]

[Footnote 46: Plat. Gorg. p. 482 C. To maintain that [Greek: to\

a)dikei=n be/ltion tou= a)dikei=sthai] was an [Greek: a)/doxos

u(po/thesis]--one which it was [Greek: chei/ronos ê)/thous

e(le/sthai]: which therefore Aristotle advises the dialectician not

to defend (Aristot. Topic. viii. 156, 6-15).]

[Footnote 47: This portion of the Gorgias may receive illustration

from the third chapter (pp. 99-101) of Adam Smith's Theory of Moral

Sentiments, entitled, "Of the corruption of our moral sentiments,

which is occasioned by the disposition to admire the rich and great,

and to neglect or despise persons of poor and mean condition". He

says--"The disposition to admire and almost to worship the rich and

the powerful, and to despise, or at least to neglect, persons of poor

and mean condition, though necessary both to establish and maintain

the distinction of ranks and the order of society, is, at the same

time, the great and most universal cause of the corruption of our

moral sentiments. . . . They are the wise and the virtuous chiefly--a

select, though I am afraid, a small party--who are the real and

steady admirers of wisdom and virtue. The great mob of mankind are

the admirers and worshippers--and what may seem more extraordinary,

most frequently the disinterested admirers and worshippers--of wealth

and greatness. . . . . It is scarce _agreeable to good morals_, or

even to good language, perhaps, to say that mere wealth and

greatness, abstracted from merit and virtue, deserve our respect. We

must acknowledge, however, that they _almost constantly obtain

it_: and _that they may therefore in a certain sense be

considered as the natural objects of it_."

Now Archelaus is a most conspicuous example of this disposition of

the mass of mankind to worship and admire, disinterestedly, power and

greatness: and the language used by Adam Smith in the last sentence

illustrates the conversation of Sokrates, Polus, and Kalliklês. Adam

Smith admits that energetic proceedings, ending in great power, such

as those of Archelaus, obtain honour and worship from the vast

majority of disinterested spectators: and that, therefore they are in

a certain sense the _natural objects_ of such a sentiment

([Greek: kata\ phu/sin]). But if the question be put to him, Whether

such proceedings, with such a position, are _worthy of honour_,

he is constrained by good morals ([Greek: kata\ no/mon]) to reply in

the negative. It is true that Adam Smith numbers himself with the

small minority, while Polus shares the opinion of the large majority.

But what is required by King Nomos must be professed even by

dissentients, unless they possess the unbending resolution of

Sokrates.]

[Footnote 48: Aristot. De Soph. Elench. pp. 172-173, where he

contrasts the opinions which men must make a show of holding, with

those which they really do--[Greek: ai( phanerai\ do/xai--ai(

a)phanei=s, a)pokekrumme/nai, do/xai.]]

[Side-note: The definition of Pulchrum and Turpe, given by

Sokrates, will not hold.]

He proceeds to define Pulchrum and Turpe ([Greek:

kalo\n-ai)schro/n]). When we recollect the Hippias Major, in which

dialogue many definitions of Pulchrum were canvassed and all rejected,

so that the search ended in total disappointment--we are surprised to

see that Sokrates hits off at once a definition satisfactory both to

himself and Polus: and we are the more surprised, because the

definition here admitted without a remark, is in substance one of

those shown to be untenable in the Hippias Major.[49] It depends upon

the actual argumentative purpose which Plato has in hand, whether he

chooses to multiply objections and give them effect--or to ignore

them altogether. But the definition which he here proposes, even if

assumed as incontestable, fails altogether to sustain the conclusion

that he draws from it. He defines Pulchrum to be that which either

confers pleasure upon the spectator when he contemplates it, or

produces ulterior profit or good--we must presume profit to the

spectator, or to him along with others--at any rate it is not said

_to whom_. He next defines the ugly and disgraceful ([Greek: to\

ai)schro\n]) as comprehending both the painful and the hurtful or

evil. If then (he argues) to do wrong is more ugly and disgraceful

than to suffer wrong, this must be either because it is more painful--or

because it is more hurtful, more evil (worse). It certainly is

not more painful: therefore it must be worse.

[Footnote 49: Plat. Hipp. Maj. pp. 45-46. See above, vol. ii. ch.

xiii.]

[Side-note: Worse or better--for whom? The argument of

Sokrates does not specify. If understood in the sense necessary for

his inference, the definition would be inadmissible.]

But worse, for whom? For the spectators, who declare the proceedings

of Archelaus to be disgraceful? For the persons who suffer by his

proceedings? Or for Archelaus himself? It is the last of the three

which Sokrates undertakes to prove: but his definition does not

help him to the proof. Turpe is defined to be either what causes

immediate pain to the spectator, or ulterior hurt--to whom? If we say

to the spectator--the definition will not serve as a ground of

inference to the condition of the agent contemplated. If on the other

hand, we say--to the agent--the definition so understood becomes

inadmissible: as well for other reasons, as because there are a great

many Turpia which are not agents at all, and which the definition

therefore would not include. Either therefore the definition given by

Sokrates is a bad one--or it will not sustain his conclusion. And

thus, on this very important argument, where Sokrates admits that he

stands alone, and where therefore the proof would need to be doubly

cogent--an argument too where the great cause (so Adam Smith terms

it) of the corruption of men's moral sentiments has to be

combated--Sokrates has nothing to produce except premisses alike

far-fetched and irrelevant. What increases our regret is, that the real

arguments establishing the turpitude of Archelaus and his acts are obvious

enough, if you look for them in the right direction. You discover

nothing while your eye is fixed on Archelaus himself: far from

presenting any indications of misery, which Sokrates professes to

discover, he has gained much of what men admire as good wherever they

see it. But when you turn to the persons whom he has killed,

banished, or ruined--to the mass of suffering which he has inflicted--and

to the widespread insecurity which such acts of successful

iniquity spread through all societies where they become known--there

is no lack of argument to justify that sentiment which prompts a

reflecting spectator to brand him as a disgraceful man. This argument

however is here altogether neglected by Plato. Here, as elsewhere, he

looks only at the self-regarding side of Ethics.

[Side-note: Plato applies to every one a standard of happiness

and misery peculiar to himself. His view about the conduct of

Archelaus is just, but he does not give the true reasons for it.]

Sokrates proceeds next to prove--That the wrong-doer who remains

unpunished is more miserable than if he were punished. The wrong-doer

(he argues) when punished suffers what is just: but all just things

are honourable: therefore he suffers what is honourable. But all

honourable things are so called because they are either agreeable, or

profitable, or both together. Punishment is certainly not agreeable:

it must therefore be profitable or good. Accordingly the

wrong-doer when justly punished suffers what is profitable or good. He

is benefited, by being relieved of mental evil or wickedness, which is

a worse evil than either bodily sickness or poverty. In proportion to

the magnitude of this evil, is the value of the relief which removes

it, and the superior misery of the unpunished wrong-doer who

continues to live under it.[50]

[Footnote 50: Plato, Gorgias, pp. 477-478.]

Upon this argument, I make the same remark as upon that immediately

preceding. We are not expressly told, whether good, evil, happiness,

misery, &c., refer to the agent alone or to others also: but the

general tenor implies that the agent alone is meant. And in this

sense, Plato does not make out his case. He establishes an arbitrary

standard of his own, recognised only by a few followers, and

altogether differing from the ordinary standard, to test and compare

happiness and misery. The successful criminal, Archelaus himself, far

from feeling any such intense misery as Plato describes, is satisfied

and proud of his position, which most others also account an object

of envy. This is not disputed by Plato himself. And in the face of

this fact, it is fruitless as well as illogical to attempt to prove,

by an elaborate process of deductive reasoning, that Archelaus

_must_ be miserable. That step of Plato's reasoning, in which he

asserts, that the wrong-doer when justly punished suffers what is

profitable or good--is only true if you take in (what Plato omits to

mention) the interests of society as well as those of the agent. His

punishment is certainly profitable to (conducive to the security and

well being of) society: it may possibly be also profitable to

himself, but very frequently it is not so. The conclusion brought out

by Plato, therefore, while contradicted by the fact, involves also a

fallacy in the reasoning process.

[Side-note: If the reasoning of Plato were true, the point of

view in which punishment is considered would be reversed.]

Throughout the whole of this dialogue, Plato intimates decidedly how

great a paradox the doctrine maintained by Sokrates must appear: how

diametrically it was opposed to the opinion not merely of the less

informed multitude, but of the wiser and more reflecting citizen--even

such a man as Nikias. Indeed it is literally exact--what

Plato here puts into the mouth of Kallikles--that if the doctrine

here advocated by Sokrates were true, the whole of social life would

be turned upside down.[51] If, for example, it were true, as Plato

contends,--That every man who commits a crime, takes upon him thereby

a terrible and lasting distemper, incurable except by the application

of punishment, which is the specific remedy in the case--every theory

of punishment would, literally speaking, be turned upside down. The

great discouragement from crime would then consist in the fear of

that formidable distemper with which the criminal was sure to

inoculate himself: and punishment, instead of being (as it is now

considered, and as Plato himself represents it in the Protagoras) the

great discouragement to the commission of crime, would operate in the

contrary direction. It would be the means of removing or impairing

the great real discouragement to crime: and a wise legislator would

hesitate to inflict it. This would be nothing less than a reversal of

the most universally accepted political or social precepts (as

Kallikles is made to express himself).

[Footnote 51: Plato, Gorg. p. 481 C. _Kall._--[Greek: ei) me\n

ga\r spouda/zeis te kai\ tugcha/nei tau=ta a)lêthê= o)/nta a(\

le/geis, a)/llo ti ê)\ ê(mô=n o( bi/os a)natetramme/nos a)\n ei)/ê

tô=n a)nthrô/pôn, kai\ pa/nta ta\ e)nanti/a pra/ttomen, ê)\ a(\

dei=?]]

[Side-note: Plato pushes too far the analogy between mental

distemper and bodily distemper--Material difference between the

two--Distemper must be felt by the distempered persons.]

It will indeed be at once seen, that the taint or distemper with

which Archelaus is supposed to inoculate himself, when he commits

signal crime--is a pure fancy or poetical metaphor on the part of

Plato himself.[52] A distemper must imply something painful,

enfeebling, disabling, to the individual who feels it: there is no

other meaning: we cannot recognise a distemper, which does not make

itself felt in any way by the distempered person. Plato is misled by

his ever-repeated analogy between bodily health and mental health:

real, on some points--not real on others. When a man is in bad bodily

health, his sensations warn him of it at once. He suffers pain,

discomfort, or disabilities, which leave no doubt as to the

fact: though he may not know either the precise cause, or the

appropriate remedy. Conversely, in the absence of any such warnings,

and in the presence of certain positive sensations, he knows himself

to be in tolerable or good health. If Sokrates and Archelaus were

both in good bodily health, or both in bad bodily health, each would

be made aware of the fact by analogous evidences. But by what measure

are we to determine _when_ a man is in a good or bad mental

state? By his own feelings? In that case, Archelaus and Sokrates are

in a mental state equally good: each is satisfied with his own. By

the judgment of by-standers? Archelaus will then be the better of the

two: at least his admirers and enviers will outnumber those of

Sokrates. By my judgment? If my opinion is asked, I agree with

Sokrates: though not on the grounds which he here urges, but on other

grounds. Who is to be the ultimate referee--the interests or security

of other persons, who have suffered or are likely to suffer by

Archelaus, being by the supposition left out of view?

[Footnote 52: The disposition of Plato to build argument on a

metaphor is often shown. Aristotle remarks it of him in respect to

his theory of Ideas; and Aristotle in his Topica gives several

precepts in regard to the general tendency--precepts enjoining

disputants to be on their guard against it in dialectic discussion

(Topica, iv. 123, a. 33, vi. 139-140)--[Greek: pa=n ga\r a)saphe\s

to\ kata\ metaphora\n lego/menon], &c.]

Polus is now dismissed as vanquished, after having been forced,

against his will, to concede--That the doer of wrong is more

miserable than the sufferer: That he is more miserable, if

unpunished,--less so, if punished: That a triumphant criminal on a

great scale, like Archelaus, is the most miserable of men.

[Side-note: Kallikles begins to argue against Sokrates--he

takes a distinction between Just by Law and Just by nature--Reply of

Sokrates, that there is no variance between the two, properly

understood.]

Here, then, we commence with Kallikles: who interposes, to take up

the debate with Sokrates. Polus (says Kallikles), from deference to

the opinions of mankind, has erroneously conceded the point--That it

is more disgraceful to do wrong, than to suffer wrong. This is indeed

true (continues Kallikles), according to what is just by law or

convention, that is, according to the general sentiment of mankind:

but it is not true, according to justice by nature, or natural

justice. Nature and Law are here opposed.[53] The justice of Nature

is, that among men (as among other animals) the strong individual

should govern and strip the weak, taking and keeping as much as he

can grasp. But this justice will not suit the weak, who are the

many, and who defeat it by establishing a different justice--justice

according to law--to curb the strong man, and prevent him from having

more than his fair share.[54] The many, feeling their own weakness,

and thankful if they can only secure a fair and equal division, make

laws and turn the current of praise and blame for their own

protection, in order to deter the strong man from that encroachment

and oppression to which he is disposed. _The just according to

law_ is thus a tutelary institution, established by the weak to

defend themselves against _the just according to nature_. Nature

measures right by might, and by nothing else: so that according to

the right of nature, suffering wrong is more disgraceful than doing

wrong. Hêraklês takes from Geryon his cattle, by the right of nature

or of the strongest, without either sale or gift.[55]

[Footnote 53: Plato, Gorgias, p. 482 E. [Greek: ô(s ta\ polla\ de\

tau=ta e)nanti/a a)llê/lois e)sti/n, ê(/ te phu/sis kai\ o(

no/mos.]]

[Footnote 54: Plato, Gorgias, p. 483 B. [Greek: a)ll', oi)=mai, oi(

tithe/menoi tou\s no/mous oi( a)sthenei=s a)/nthrôpoi/ ei)si kai\ oi(

polloi\. Pro\s au(tou\s ou)=n kai\ to\ au)toi=s sumphe/ron tou/s te

no/mous ti/thentai kai\ tou\s e)pai/nous e)painou=si kai\ tou\s

pso/gous pse/gousin, e)kphobou=nte/s te tou\s e)r)r(ômeneste/rous

tô=n a)nthrô/pôn kai\ dunatou\s o)/ntas ple/on e)/chein, i(/na mê\

au)tô=n ple/on e)/chôsin, le/gousin ô(s ai)schro\n kai\ a)/dikon to\

pleonektei=n, kai\ tou=to e)sti to\ a)dikei=n, to\ zêtei=n tô=n

a)/llôn ple/on e)/chein; a)gapô=si ga/r, oi)=mai, au)toi\ a)\n to\

i)/son e)/chôsi phaulo/teroi o)/ntes.]]

[Footnote 55: Plato, Gorgias, pp. 484-488.]

But (rejoins Sokrates) the many are by nature stronger than the one;

since, as you yourself say, they make and enforce laws to restrain

him and defeat his projects. Therefore, since the many are the

strongest, the right which they establish is the right of (or by)

nature. And the many, as you admit, declare themselves in favour of

the answer given by Polus--That to do wrong is more disgraceful than

to suffer wrong.[56] Right by nature, and right by institution,

sanction it alike.

[Footnote 56: Plato, Gorgias, p. 488 D-E.]

* * * * *

[Side-note: What Kalliklês says is not to be taken as a sample

of the teachings of Athenian sophists. Kalliklês--rhetor and

politician.]

Several commentators have contended, that the doctrine which Plato

here puts into the mouth of Kalliklês was taught by the Sophists at

Athens: who are said to have inculcated on their hearers that true

wisdom and morality consisted in acting upon the right of the

strongest and taking whatever they could get, without any regard to

law or justice. I have already endeavoured to show, in my

History of Greece, that the Sophists cannot be shown to have taught

either this doctrine, or any other common doctrine: that one at least

among them (Prodikus) taught a doctrine inconsistent with it: and

that while all of them agreed in trying to impart rhetorical

accomplishments, or the power of handling political, ethical,

judicial, matters in a manner suitable for the Athenian public--each

had his own way of doing this. Kalliklês is not presented by Plato as

a Sophist, but as a Rhetor aspiring to active political influence;

and taking a small dose of philosophy, among the preparations for

that end.[57] He depreciates the Sophists as much as the

philosophers, and in fact rather more.[58] Moreover Plato represents

him as adapting himself, with accommodating subservience, to the

Athenian public assembly, and saying or unsaying exactly as they

manifested their opinion.[59] Now the Athenian public assembly would

repudiate indignantly all this pretended right of the strongest, if

any orator thought fit to put it forward as over-ruling established

right and law. Any aspiring or subservient orator, such as Kalliklês

is described, would know better than to address them in this strain.

The language which Plato puts into the mouth of Kalliklês is noway

consistent with the attribute which he also ascribes to him--slavish

deference to the judgments of the Athenian Dêmos.

[Footnote 57: Plato, Gorgias, p. 487 C, 485.]

[Footnote 58: Plato, Gorgias, p. 520 A.]

[Footnote 59: Plato, Gorgias, p. 481-482.]

[Side-note: Uncertainty of referring to Nature as an

authority. It may be pleaded in favour of opposite theories. The

theory of Kalliklês is made to appear repulsive by the language in

which he expresses it.]

Kalliklês is made to speak like one who sympathises with the right of

the strongest, and who decorates such iniquity with the name and

authority of that which he calls Nature. But this only shows the

uncertainty of referring to Nature as an authority.[60] It may be

pleaded in favour of different and opposite theories. Nature prompts

the strong man to take from weaker men what will gratify his desires:

Nature also prompts these weaker men to defeat him and protect

themselves by the best means in their power. The many are

weaker, taken individually--stronger taken collectively: hence they

resort to defensive combination, established rules, and collective

authority.[61] The right created on one side, and the opposite right

created on the other, flow alike from Nature: that is, from

propensities and principles natural, and deeply seated, in the human

mind. The authority of Nature, considered as an enunciation of actual

and wide-spread facts, may be pleaded for both alike. But a man's

sympathy and approbation may go either with the one or the other; and

he may choose to stamp that which he approves, with the name of

Nature as a personified law-maker. This is what is here done by

Kalliklês as Plato exhibits him.[62] He sympathises with, and

approves, the powerful individual. Now the greater portion of mankind

are, and always have been, governed upon this despotic principle, and

brought up to respect it: while many, even of those who dislike

Kalliklês because they regard him as the representative of

Athenian democracy (to which however his proclaimed sentiments stand

pointedly opposed), when they come across a great man or so-called

hero, such as Alexander or Napoleon, applaud the most exorbitant

ambition if successful, and if accompanied by military genius and

energy--regarding communities as made for little else except to serve

as his instruments, subjects, and worshippers. Such are represented

as the sympathies of Kalliklês: but those of the Athenians went with

the second of the two rights--and mine go with it also. And though

the language which Plato puts into the mouth of Kalliklês, in

describing this second right, abounds in contemptuous rhetoric,

proclaiming offensively the individual weakness of the multitude[63]--yet

this very fact is at once the most solid and most respectable

foundation on which rights and obligations can be based. The

establishment of them is indispensable, and is felt as indispensable,

to procure security for the community: whereby the strong man whom

Kalliklês extols as the favourite of Nature, may be tamed by

discipline and censure, so as to accommodate his own behaviour to

this equitable arrangement.[64] Plato himself, in his Republic,[65]

traces the generation of a city to the fact that each man

individually taken is not self-sufficing, but stands in need of many

things: it is no less true, that each man stands also in fear of many

things, especially of depredations from animals, and depredations

from powerful individuals of his own species. In the mythe of

Protagoras,[66] we have fears from hostile animals--in the speech

here ascribed to Kalliklês, we have fears from hostile strong

men--assigned as the generating cause, both of political communion and

of established rights and obligations to protect it.

[Footnote 60: Aristotle (Sophist. Elench. 12, p. 173, a. 10) makes

allusion to this argument of Kalliklês in the Gorgias, and notices it

as a frequent point made by disputants in Dialectics--to insist on

the contradiction between the Just according to Nature and the Just

according to Law: which contradiction (Aristotle says) all the

ancients recognised as a real one ([Greek: oi( a)rchai=oi pa/ntes

ô)/|onto sumbai/nein]). It was doubtless a point on which the

Dialectician might find much to say on either side.]

[Footnote 61: In the conversation between Sokrates and Kritobulus,

one of the best in Xenophon's Memorabilia (ii. 6, 21), respecting the

conditions on which friendship depends, we find Sokrates clearly

stating that the causes of friendship and the causes of enmity,

though different and opposite, nevertheless both exist _by

nature_. [Greek: A)ll' e)/chei me/n, e)/phê o( Sôkra/tês,

poiki/lôs pôs tau=ta: Phu/sei ga\r e)/chousin oi( a)/nthrôpoi ta\

me\n philika/--de/ontai/ te ga\r a)llê/lôn, kai\ e)leou=si, kai\

sunergou=ntes ô)phelou=ntai, kai\ tou=to sunie/ntes cha/rin

e)/chousin a)llê/lois--ta\ de\ polemika/--ta/ te ga\r au)ta\ kala\

kai\ ê(de/a nomi/zontes u(pe\r tou/tôn ma/chontai kai\

dichognômonou=ntes e)nantiou=ntai; polemiko\n de\ kai\ e)/ris kai\

o)rgê/, kai\ dusmene\s me\n o( tou= pleonektei=n e)/rôs, misêto\n de\

o( phtho/nos. A)ll' o(/môs dia\ tou/tôn pa/ntôn ê( phili/a

diaduome/nê suna/ptei tou\s kalou/s te ka)gathou/s], &c.

We read in the speech of Hermokrates the Syracusan, at the congress

of Gela in Sicily, when exhorting the Sicilians to unite for the

purpose of repelling the ambitious schemes of Athens, Thucyd. iv. 61:

[Greek: kai\ tou\s me\n A)thênai/ous tau=ta pleonektei=n te kai\

pronoei=sthai pollê\ xuggnô/mê, kai\ ou) toi=s a)/rchein boulome/nois

me/mphomai a)lla\ toi=s u(pakou/ein e(toimote/rois ou)=si; _

pe/phuke ga\r to\ a)nthrô/peion dia\ panto\s a)/rchein me\n tou=

ei)/kontos, phula/ssesthai de\ to\ e)pio/n_. o(/soi de\

gignô/skontes au)ta\ mê\ o)rthô=s proskopou=men, mêde\ tou=to/ tis

presbu/taton ê(/kei kri/nas, to\ koinô=s phobero\n a(/pantas eu)=

the/sthai, a(marta/nomen.] A like sentiment is pronounced by the

Athenian envoys in their debate with the Melians, Thuc. v. 105:

[Greek: ê(gou/metha ga\r to/ te thei=on do/xê|, to\ a)nthrô/peio/n te

saphô=s dia\ panto/s, u(po\ _phu/seôs a)nagkai/as_, ou)= a)\n

kratê=|, a)/rchein.] Some of the Platonic critics would have us

believe that this last-cited sentiment emanates from the corrupt

teaching of Athenian Sophists: but Hermokrates the Syracusan had

nothing to do with Athenian Sophists.]

[Footnote 62: Respecting the vague and indeterminate phrases--Natural

Justice, Natural Right, Law of Nature--see Mr. Austin's Province of

Jurisprudence Determined, p. 160, ed. 2nd. [Jurisp., 4th ed, pp. 179,

591-2], and Sir H. S. Maine's Ancient Law, chapters iii. and iv.

Among the assertions made about the Athenian Sophists, it is said by

some commentators that they denied altogether any Just or Unjust by

_nature_--that they recognised no Just or Unjust, except by

_law or convention_.

To say that the _Sophists_ (speaking of them collectively)

either affirmed or denied anything, is, in my judgment, incorrect.

Certain persons are alluded to by Plato (Theætêt. 172 B) as adopting

partially the doctrine of Protagoras (_Homo Mensura_) and as

denying altogether the Just by _nature_.

In another Platonic passage (Protagor. 337) which is also cited as

contributing to prove that the Sophists denied [Greek: to\ di/kaion

phu/sei]--nothing at all is said about [Greek: to\ di/kaion]. Hippias

the Sophist is there introduced as endeavouring to appease the angry

feeling between Protagoras and Sokrates by reminding them, "I am of

opinion that we all (_i.e._ men of literature and study) are

kinsmen, friends, and fellow-citizens by _nature_ though not by

_law_: for law, the despot of mankind, carries many things by

force, contrary to nature". The remark is very appropriate from one

who is trying to restore good feeling between literary disputants:

and the cosmopolitan character of literature is now so familiar a

theme, that I am surprised to find Heindorf (in his note) making it

an occasion for throwing the usual censure upon the Sophist, because

some of them distinguished Nature from the Laws, and despised the

latter in comparison with the former.

Kalliklês here, in the Gorgias, maintains an opinion not only

different from, but inconsistent with, the opinion alluded to above

in the Theætêtus, 172 B. The persons noticed in the Theætêtus

said--There is no Natural Justice: no Justice, except Justice by Law.

Kalliklês says--There is a Natural Justice quite distinct from (and

which he esteems more than) Justice by Law: he then explains what he

believes Natural Justice to be--That the strong man should take what

he pleases from the weak.

Though these two opinions are really inconsistent with each other,

yet we see Plato in the Leges (x. 889 E, 890 A) alluding to them both

as the same creed, held and defended by the same men; whom he

denounces with extreme acrimony. Who they were, he does not name; he

does not mention [Greek: sophistai/], but calls them [Greek: a)ndrô=n

sophô=n, i)diôtô=n te kai\ poiêtô=n].

We see, in the third chapter of Sir H. S. Maine's excellent work on

Ancient Law, the meaning of these phrases--Natural Justice, Law of

Nature. It designated or included "a set of legal principles entitled

to supersede the existing laws, on the ground of intrinsic

superiority". It denoted an ideal condition of society, supposed to

be much better than what actually prevailed. This at least seems to

have been the meaning which began to attach to it in the time of

Plato and Aristotle. What this ideal perfection of human society was,

varied in the minds of different speakers. In each speaker's mind the

word and sentiment was much the same, though the objects to which it

attached were often different. Empedokles proclaims in solemn and

emphatic language that the Law of Nature peremptorily forbids us to

kill any animal. (Aristot. Rhetor. i. 13, 1373 b. 15.) Plato makes

out to his own satisfaction, that his Republic is thoroughly in

harmony with the Law of Nature: and he insists especially on this

harmony, in the very point which even the Platonic critics admit to

be wrong--that is, in regard to the training of women and the

relations of the sexes (Republic, v. 456 C, 466 D). We learn from

Plato himself that the propositions of the Republic were thoroughly

adverse to what other persons reverenced as the Law of Nature.

In the notes of Beck and Heindorf on Protagor. p. 337 we read,

"Hippias præ cæteris Sophistis contempsit leges, iisque opposuit

Naturam. Naturam legibus plures certé Sophistarum opposuisse, easque

præ illâ contempsisse, multis veterum locis constat." Now this

allegation is more applicable to Plato than to the Sophists. Plato

speaks with the most unmeasured contempt of existing communities and

their laws: the scheme of his Republic, radically departing from them

as it does, shows what he considered as required by the exigencies of

human nature. Both the Stoics and the Epikureans extolled what they

called the Law of Nature above any laws actually existing.

The other charge made against the Sophists (quite opposite, yet

sometimes advanced by the same critics) is, that they recognised no

Just by Nature, but only Just by Law: _i.e._ all the actual laws

and customs considered as binding in each different community. This

is what Plato ascribes to some persons (Sophists or not) in the

Theætêtus, p. 172. But in this sense it is not exact to call

Kalliklês (as Heindorf does, Protagor. p. 337) "germanus ille

Sophistarum alumnus in Gorgià Callicles," nor to affirm (with

Schleiermacher, Einleit. zum Theætêt. p. 183) that Plato meant to

refute Aristippus under the name of Kallikles, Aristippus maintaining

that there was no Just by Nature, but only Just by Law or

Convention.]

[Footnote 63: Plato, Gorgias, p. 483 B, p. 492 A. [Greek: oi(

polloi\, a)pokrupto/menoi tê\n e(autô=n a)dunami/an], &c.]

[Footnote 64: Plato, Gorgias, p. 483 E.]

[Footnote 65: Plato, Republic, ii. p. 369 B. [Greek: o(/ti tugcha/nei

ê(mô=n e(/kastos ou)k au)tarkê\s ô)/n, a)lla\ pollô=n e)ndeê/s.]]

[Footnote 66: Plato, Protag. p. 322 B.]

* * * * *

[Side-note: Sokrates maintains that self-command and

moderation is requisite for the strong man as well as for others.

Kalliklês defends the negative.]

Kalliklês now explains, that by _stronger_ men, he means better,

wiser, braver men. It is they (he says) who ought, according to right

by nature, to rule over others and to have larger shares than others.

_Sokr._--Ought they not to rule themselves as well as

others:[67] to control their own pleasures and desires: to be sober

and temperate? _Kall._--No, they would be foolish if they did.

The weak multitude must do so; and there grows up accordingly among

_them_ a sentiment which requires such self-restraint from all.

But it is the privilege of the superior few to be exempt from this

necessity. The right of nature authorises them to have the largest

desires, since their courage and ability furnish means to satisfy the

desires. It would be silly if a king's son or a despot were to limit

himself to the same measure of enjoyment with which a poor citizen

must be content; and worse than silly if he did not enrich his

friends in preference to his enemies. He need not care for that

public law and censure which must reign paramount over each man among

the many. A full swing of enjoyment, if a man has power to procure

and maintain it, is virtue as well as happiness.[68]

[Footnote 67: Plato, Gorgias, p. 491 D.]

[Footnote 68: Plato, Gorgias, p. 492 A-C.]

[Side-note: Whether the largest measure of desires is good for

a man, provided he has the means of satisfying them? Whether all

varieties of desire are good? Whether the pleasurable and the good

are identical?]

_Sokr._--I think on the contrary that a sober and moderate life,

regulated according to present means and circumstances, is better

than a life of immoderate indulgence.[69] _Kall._--The man who

has no desires will have no pleasure, and will live like a stone. The

more the desires, provided they can all be satisfied, the happier a

man will be. _Sokr._--You mean that a man shall be continually

hungry, and continually satisfying his hunger: continually thirsty,

and satisfying his thirst; and so forth. _Kall._--By having and

by satisfying those and all other desires, a man will enjoy

happiness. _Sokr._--Do you mean to include all varieties of

desire and satisfaction of desire: such for example as itching and

scratching yourself:[70] and other bodily appetites which might be

named? _Kall._--Such things are not fit for discussion.

_Sokr._--It is you who drive me to mention them, by laying down

the principle, that men who enjoy, be the enjoyment of what sort it

may, are happy; and by not distinguishing what pleasures are

good and what are evil. Tell me again, do you think that the

pleasurable and the good are identical? Or are there any pleasurable

things which are not good?[71] _Kall._--I think that the

pleasurable and the good are the same.

[Footnote 69: Plato, Gorgias, p. 493 C. [Greek: e)a/n pôs oi(=o/s t'

ô)= pei=sai metathe/sthai kai\ a)nti\ tou= a)plê/stôs kai\

a)kola/stôs e)/chontos bi/ou to\n kosmi/ôs kai\ toi=s a)ei\ parou=sin

i(kanô=s kai\ e)xarkou/ntôs e)/chonta bi/on e(le/sthai.]]

[Footnote 70: Plato, Gorg. p. 494 E.]

[Footnote 71: Plato, Gorg. pp. 494-495. [Greek: ê)= ga\r e)gô\ a)/gô

e)ntau=tha, ê)\ e)kei=nos o(\s a)\n phê=| a)ne/dên ou(/tô tou\s

chai/rontas, o(/pôs a)\n chairôsin, eu)dai/monas ei)=nai, kai\ mê\

diori/zêtai tô=n ê(donô=n o(poi=ai a)gathai\ kai\ kakai/? a)ll' e)/ti

kai\ nu=n le/ge, po/teron phê\| ei)=nai to\ au)to\ ê(du\ kai\

a)gatho/n, ê)\ ei)=nai ti tô=n ê(de/ôn o(\ ou)k e)/stin a)gatho/n?]]

[Side-note: Kalliklês maintains that pleasurable and good are

identical. Sokrates refutes him. Some pleasures are good, others bad.

A scientific adviser is required to discriminate them.]

Upon this question the discussion now turns: whether pleasure and

good are the same, or whether there are not some pleasures good,

others bad. By a string of questions much protracted, but subtle

rather than conclusive, Sokrates proves that pleasure is not the same

as good--that there are such things as bad pleasures and good pains.

And Kalliklês admits that some pleasures are better, others

worse.[72] Profitable pleasures are good: hurtful pleasures are bad.

Thus the pleasures of eating and drinking are good, if they impart to

us health and strength--bad, if they produce sickness and weakness.

We ought to choose the good pleasures and pains, and avoid the bad

ones. It is not every man who is competent to distinguish what

pleasures are good, and what are bad. A scientific and skilful

adviser, judging upon general principles, is required to make this

distinction.[73]

[Footnote 72: Plato, Gorgias, pp. 496-499.]

[Footnote 73: Plato, Gorgias, pp. 499-500. [Greek: A)=r' ou)=n

panto\s a)ndro/s e)stin e)kle/xasthai poi=a a)gatha\ tô=n ê(de/ôn

e)sti\ kai\ o(poi=a kaka/, ê)= technikou= dei= ei)s e(/kaston?

Technikou=.]]

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[Side-note: Contradiction between Sokrates in the Gorgias, and

Sokrates in the Protagoras.]

This debate between Sokrates and Kalliklês, respecting the "Quomodo

vivendum est,"[74] deserves attention on more than one account. In

the first place, the relation which Sokrates is here made to declare

between the two pairs of general terms, Pleasurable--Good:

Painful--Evil: is the direct reverse of that which he both declares

and demonstrates in the Protagoras. In that dialogue, the Sophist

Protagoras is represented as holding an opinion very like that which

is maintained by Sokrates in the Gorgias. But Sokrates (in the

Protagoras) refutes him by an elaborate argument; and demonstrates

that pleasure and good (also pain and evil) are names for the same

fundamental ideas under different circumstances: pleasurable and

painful referring only to the sensation of the present moment--while

good and evil include, besides, an estimate of its future

consequences and accompaniments, both pleasurable and painful, and

represent the result of such calculation. In the Gorgias, Sokrates

demonstrates the contrary, by an argument equally elaborate but not

equally convincing. He impugns a doctrine advocated by Kalliklês, and

in impugning it, proclaims a marked antithesis and even repugnance

between the pleasurable and the good, the painful and the evil:

rejecting the fundamental identity of the two, which he advocates in

the Protagoras, as if it were a disgraceful heresy.

[Footnote 74: Plato, Gorgias, p. 492 D. [Greek: i(/na tô=| o)/nti

kata/dêlon ge/nêtai, pô=s biôte/on], &c. 500 C: [Greek: o(/ntina

chrê\ tro/pon zê=|n.]]

[Side-note: Views of critics about this contradiction.]

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