CHAPTER XX.

LYSIS.

[Side-note: Analogy between Lysis and Charmidês. Richness of

dramatic incident in both. Youthful beauty.]

The Lysis, as well as the Charmidês, is a dialogue recounted by

Sokrates himself, describing both incidents and a conversation in a

crowded Palæstra; wherein not merely bodily exercises were habitually

practised, but debate was carried on and intellectual instruction

given by a Sophist named Mikkus, companion and admirer of Sokrates.

There is a lively dramatic commencement, introducing Sokrates into

the Palæstra, and detailing the preparation and scenic arrangements,

before the real discussion opens. It is the day of the Hermæa, or

festival of Hermes, celebrated by sacrifice and its accompanying

banquets among the frequenters of gymnasia.

[Side-note: Scenery and personages of the Lysis.]

Lysis, like Charmidês, is an Athenian youth, of conspicuous beauty,

modesty, and promise. His father Demokrates represents an ancient

family of the Æxonian Deme in Attica, and is said to be descended

from Zeus and the daughter of the Archêgetês or Heroic Founder of

that Deme. The family moreover are so wealthy, that they have gained

many victories at the Pythian, Isthmian, and Nemean games, both with

horses and with chariots and four. Menexenus, companion of Lysis, is

somewhat older, and is his affectionate friend. The persons who

invite Sokrates into the palæstra, and give occasion to the debate,

are Ktesippus and Hippothalês: both of them adults, yet in the vigour

of age. Hippothalês is the Erastes of Lysis, passionately attached to

him. He is ridiculed by Ktesippus for perpetually talking about

Lysis, as well as for addressing to him compositions both in prose

and verse, full of praise and flattery; extolling not only his

personal beauty, but also his splendid ancestry and position.[1]

[Footnote 1: Plato, Lysis, 203-205.]

[Side-note: Origin of the conversation. Sokrates promises to

give an example of the proper way of talking to a youth, for his

benefit.]

In reference to these addresses, Sokrates remonstrates with

Hippothalês on the imprudence and mischief of addressing to a youth

flatteries calculated to turn his head. He is himself then invited by

Hippothalês to exhibit a specimen of the proper mode of talking to

youth; such as shall be at once acceptable to the person addressed,

and unobjectionable. Sokrates agrees to do so, if an opportunity be

afforded him of conversing with Lysis.[2] Accordingly after some

well-imagined incidents, interesting as marks of Greek manners--Sokrates

and Ktesippus with others seat themselves in the palæstra,

amidst a crowd of listeners.[3] Lysis, too modest at first to

approach, is emboldened to sit down by seeing Menexenus seated by the

side of Sokrates: while Hippothalês, not daring to put himself where

Lysis can see him, listens, but conceals himself behind some of the

crowd. Sokrates begins the conversation with Menexenus and Lysis

jointly: but presently Menexenus is called away for a moment, and he

talks with Lysis singly.

[Footnote 2: Plato, Lysis, 206.]

[Footnote 3: Plato, Lysis, 206-207.]

[Side-note: Conversation of Sokrates with Lysis.]

_Sokr._--Well--Lysis--your father and mother love you extremely.

_Lysis._--Assuredly they do. _Sokr._--They would wish you

therefore to be as happy as possible. _Lysis._--Undoubtedly.

_Sokr._--Do you think any man happy, who is a slave, and who is

not allowed to do any thing that he desires? _Lysis._--I do not

think him happy at all. _Sokr._--Since therefore your father and

mother are so anxious that you should be happy, they of course allow

you to do the things which you desire, and never reprove nor forbid

you. _Lysis._--Not at all, by Zeus, Sokrates: there are a great

many things that they forbid me. _Sokr._--How say you! they wish

you to be happy--and they hinder you from doing what you wish! Tell

me, for example, when one of your father's chariots is going to run a

race, if you wished to mount and take the reins, would not they allow

you to do so? _Lysis._--No--certainly: they would not allow me.

_Sokr._--But whom do they allow, then? _Lysis._--My father

employs a paid charioteer. _Sokr._--What! do they permit a

hireling, in preference to _you_, to do what he wishes with the

horses? and do they give him pay besides for doing so?

_Lysis._--Why--to be sure. _Sokr._--But doubtless, I imagine, they

trust the team of mules to your direction; and if you chose to take

the whip and flog, they would allow you? _Lysis._--Allow me? not at

all. _Sokr._--What! is no one allowed to flog them?

_Lysis._--Yes--certainly--the mule-groom. _Sokr._--Is he a

slave or free? _Lysis._--A slave. _Sokr._--Then, it seems,

they esteem a slave higher than you their son; trusting their

property to him rather than to you, letting _him_ do what he

pleases, while they forbid you. But tell me farther: do they allow

you to direct yourself--or do not they even trust you so far as that?

_Lysis._--How can you imagine that they trust me? _Sokr._--But

does any one else direct you? _Lysis._--Yes--this tutor

here. _Sokr._--Is he a slave? _Lysis._--To be sure:

belonging to our family. _Sokr._--That is shocking: one of free

birth to be under the direction of a slave! But what is it that he

does, as your director? _Lysis._--He conducts me to my teacher's

house. _Sokr._--What! do _they_ govern you also, these

teachers? _Lysis._--Undoubtedly they do. _Sokr._--Then your

father certainly is bent on putting over you plenty of directors and

governors. But surely, when you come home to your mother, she at

least, anxious that you should be happy as far as she is concerned,

lets you do what you please about the wool or the web, when she is

weaving: she does not forbid you to meddle with the bodkin or any of

the other instruments of her work? _Lysis._--Ridiculous! not

only does she forbid me, but I should be beaten if I did meddle.

_Sokr._--How is this, by Heraklês? Have you done any wrong to

your father and mother? _Lysis._--Never at all, by Zeus.

_Sokr._--From what provocation is it, then, that they prevent

you in this terrible way, from being happy and doing what you wish?

keeping you the whole day in servitude to some one, and never your

own master? so that you derive no benefit either from the great

wealth of the family, which is managed by every one else rather than

by you--or from your own body, noble as it is. Even _that_ is

consigned to the watch and direction of another: while you, Lysis,

are master of nothing, nor can do any one thing of what you desire.

_Lysis._--The reason is, Sokrates, that I am not yet old enough.

_Sokr._--That can hardly be the reason; for to a certain extent

your father and mother do trust you, without waiting for you to

grow older. If they want any thing to be written or read for them,

they employ you for that purpose in preference to any one in the

house: and you are then allowed to write or read first, whichever of

the letters you think proper. Again, when you take up the lyre,

neither father nor mother hinder you from tightening or relaxing the

strings, or striking them either with your finger or with the

plectrum. _Lysis._--They do not. _Sokr._--Why is it, then,

that they do not hinder you in this last case, as they did in the

cases before mentioned? _Lysis._--I suppose it is because I know

this last, but did not know the others. _Sokr._--Well, my good

friend, you see that it is not your increase of years that your

father waits for; but on the very day that he becomes convinced that

you know better than he, he will entrust both himself and his

property to your management. _Lysis._--I suppose that he will.

_Sokr._--Ay--and your neighbour too will judge in the same way

as your father. As soon as he is satisfied that you understand

house-management better than he does, which do you think he will

rather do--confide his house to you, or continue to manage it

himself? _Lysis._--I think he will confide it to me. _Sokr._--The

Athenians too: do not you think that they also will put their affairs

into your management, as soon as they perceive that you have

intelligence adequate to the task? _Lysis._--Yes: I do.

_Sokr._--What do you say about the Great King also, by Zeus!

When his meat is being boiled, would he permit his eldest son who is

to succeed to the rule of Asia, to throw in any thing that he pleases

into the sauce, rather than us, if we come and prove to him that we

know better than his son the way of preparing sauce?

_Lysis._--Clearly, he will rather permit us. _Sokr._--The Great King

will not let his son throw in even a pinch of salt: while we, if we

chose to take up an entire handful, should be allowed to throw it in.

_Lysis._--No doubt. _Sokr._--What if his son has a

complaint in his eyes; would the Great King, knowing him to be

ignorant of medicine, allow him even to touch his own eyes or would

he forbid him? _Lysis._--He would forbid him. _Sokr._--As

to us, on the contrary, if he accounted us good physicians, and if we

desired even to open the eyes and drop a powder into them, he would

not hinder us, in the conviction that we understood what we were

doing. _Lysis._--You speak truly. _Sokr._--All other

matters, in short, on which he believed us to be wiser than himself

or his son, he would entrust to us rather than to himself or his son?

_Lysis._--Necessarily so, Sokrates. _Sokr._--This is the

state of the case, then, my dear Lysis: On those matters on which we

shall have become intelligent, all persons will put trust in us--Greeks

as well as barbarians, men as well as women. We shall do

whatever we please respecting them: no one will be at all inclined to

interfere with us on such matters; not only we shall be ourselves

free, but we shall have command over others besides. These matters

will be really ours, because we shall derive real good from them.[4]

As to those subjects, on the contrary, on which we shall not have

acquired intelligence, no one will trust us to do what we think

right: every one,--not merely strangers, but father and mother and

nearer relatives if there were any,--will obstruct us as much as they

can: we shall be in servitude so far as these subjects are concerned;

and they will be really alien to us, for we shall derive no real good

from them. Do you admit that this is the case?[5] _Lysis._--I do

admit it. _Sokr._--Shall we then be friends to any one, or will

any one love us, on those matters on which we are unprofitable

_Lysis._--Certainly not. _Sokr._--You see that neither does

your father love you, nor does any man love another, in so far as he

is useless? _Lysis._--Apparently not. _Sokr._--If then you

become intelligent, my boy, all persons will be your friends and all

persons will be your kinsmen: for you will be useful and good: if you

do not, no one will be your friend,--not even your father nor your

mother nor your other relatives.

[Footnote 4: Plato, Lysis, 210 B. [Greek: kai\ ou)dei\s ê(ma=s e(kô\n

ei)=nai e)mpodiei=, a)ll' au)toi/ te e)leu/theroi e)so/metha e)n

au)toi=s kai\ a)/llôn a)/rchontes, ê(me/tera/ te tau=ta e)/stai;

o)nêso/metha ga\r a)p' au)tô=n.]]

[Footnote 5: Plato, Lysis, 210 C. [Greek: au)toi/ te e)n au)toi=s

e)so/metha a)/llôn u(pêkooi, kai\ ê(mi=n e)/stai a)llo/tria; ou)de\n

ga\r a)p' au)tô=n o)nêso/metha. Sugchôrei=s ou(/tôs e)/chein?

Sugchôrô=.]]

Is it possible then, Lysis, for a man to think highly of himself on

those matters on which he does not yet think aright? _Lysis._--How

can it be possible? _Sokr._--If you stand in need of a

teacher, you do not yet think aright? _Lysis._--True.

_Sokr._--Accordingly, you are not presumptuous on the score of

intelligence, since you are still without intelligence.

_Lysis._--By Zeus, Sokrates, I think not.[6]

[Footnote 6: Plato, Lysis, 210 D. [Greek: Oi(=o/n te ou)=n e)pi\

tou/tois, ô)= Lu/si, me/ga phronei=n, e)n oi(=s tis mê/pô phronei=?

Kai\ pô=s a)\n? e)/phê. Ei) d' a)/ra su\ didaska/lou de/ei, ou)/pô

phronei=s. A)lêthê=.

Ou)d' a)/ra megalo/phrôn ei)=, ei)/per a)/phrôn e)/ti. Ma\ Di/',

e)/phê, ô)= Sô/krates, ou)/ moi dokei=.]

There is here a double sense of [Greek: me/ga phronei=n,

megalo/phrôn], which cannot easily be made to pass into any other

language.]

[Side-note: Lysis is humiliated. Distress of Hippothalês.]

When I heard Lysis speak thus (continues Sokrates, who is here the

narrator), I looked towards Hippothalês and I was on the point of

committing a blunder: for it occurred to me to say, That is the way,

Hippothalês, to address a youth whom you love: you ought to check and

humble him, not puff him up and spoil him, as you have hitherto done.

But when I saw him agitated and distressed by what had been said, I

called to mind that, though standing close by, he wished not to be

seen by Lysis. Accordingly, I restrained myself and said nothing of

the kind.[7]

[Footnote 7: Plato, Lysis, 210 E.]

[Side-note: Lysis entreats Sokrates to talk in the like strain

to Menexenus.]

Lysis accepts this as a friendly lesson, inculcating humility: and

seeing Menexenus just then coming back, he says aside to Sokrates,

Talk to Menexenus, as you have been talking to me. You can tell him

yourself (replies Sokrates) what you have heard from me: you listened

very attentively. Most certainly I shall tell him (says Lysis): but

meanwhile pray address to him yourself some other questions, for me

to hear. You must engage to help me if I require it (answers

Sokrates): for Menexenus is a formidable disputant, scholar of our

friend Ktesippus, who is here ready to assist him. I know he is

(rejoined Lysis), and it is for that very reason that I want you to

talk to him--that you may chasten and punish him.[8]

[Footnote 8: Plato, Lysis, 211 B-C. [Greek: a)ll' o(/ra o(/pôs

e)pikourê/seis moi, e)a/n me e)le/gchein e)picheirê=| o( Mene/xenos.

ê)\ ou)k oi)=stha o(/ti e)ristiko/s e)sti? Nai\ ma\ Di/a, e)/phê,

spho/dra ge. dia\ tau=ta/ toi kai\ bou/lomai/ se au)tô=|

diale/gesthai--i(/n' au)to\n kola/sê|s.]

Compare Xenophon, Memor. i. 4, 1, where he speaks of the chastising

purpose often contemplated by Sokrates in his conversation--[Greek:

a)\ e)kei=nos kolastêri/ou e(/neka tou\s pa/nt' oi)ome/nous ei)de/nai

e)rôtô=n ê)/legchen.]]

[Side-note: Value of the first conversation between Sokrates

and Lysis, as an illustration of the Platonico-Sokratic manner.]

I have given at length, and almost literally (with some few

abbreviations), this first conversation between Sokrates and Lysis,

because it is a very characteristic passage, exhibiting conspicuously

several peculiar features of the Platonico-Sokratic interrogation.

Facts common and familiar are placed in a novel point of view,

ingeniously contrasted, and introduced as stepping-stones to a very

wide generality. Wisdom or knowledge is exalted into the ruling force

with liberty of action not admissible except under its guidance:

the questions are put in an inverted half-ironical tone (not uncommon

with the historical Sokrates[9]), as if an affirmative answer were

expected as a matter of course, while in truth the answer is sure to

be negative: lastly, the purpose of checking undue self-esteem is

proclaimed. The rest of the dialogue, which contains the main

substantive question investigated, I can report only in brief

abridgment, with a few remarks following.

[Footnote 9: See the conversation of Sokrates with Glaukon in

Xenophon, Memor. iii. 6; also the conversation with Perikles, iii. 5,

23-24.]

[Side-note: Sokrates begins to examine Menexenus respecting

friendship. Who is to be called a friend? Halt in the dialogue.]

Sokrates begins, as Lysis requests, to interrogate Menexenus--first

premising--Different men have different tastes: some love horses and

dogs, others wealth or honours. For my part, I care little about all

such acquisitions: but I ardently desire to possess friends, and I

would rather have a good friend than all the treasures of Persia. You

two, Menexenus and Lysis, are much to be envied, because at your

early age, each of you has made an attached friend of the other. But

I am so far from any such good fortune, that I do not even know how

any man becomes the friend of another. This is what I want to ask

from you, Menexenus, as one who must know,[10] having acquired such a

friend already.

[Footnote 10: Plato, Lysis, 211-212.]

When one man loves another, which becomes the friend of which? Does

he who loves, become the friend of him whom he loves, whether the

latter returns the affection or not? Or is the person loved, whatever

be his own dispositions, the friend of the person who loves him? Or

is reciprocity of affection necessary, in order that either shall be

the friend of the other?

The speakers cannot satisfy themselves that the title of

_friend_ fits either of the three cases;[11] so that this line

of interrogating comes to a dead lock. Menexenus avows his

embarrassment, while Lysis expresses himself more hopefully.

[Footnote 11: Plato, Lysis, 212-213. 213 C:--[Greek: ei) mê/te oi(

philou=ntes (1) phi/loi e)/sontai, mê/th' oi( philou/menoi (2),

mê/th' oi( philou=nte/s te kai\ philou/menoi] (3), &c. Sokrates

here professes to have shown grounds for rejecting all these three

suppositions. But if we follow the preceding argument, we shall see

that he has shown grounds only against the first two, not against the

third.]

[Side-note: Questions addressed to Lysis. Appeal to the maxims

of the poets. Like is the friend of like. Canvassed and rejected.]

Sokrates now takes up a different aspect of the question, and

turns to Lysis, inviting him to consider what has been laid down

by the poets, "our fathers and guides in respect of wisdom".[12]

Homer says that the Gods originate friendship, by bringing the like

man to his like: Empedokles and other physical philosophers have also

asserted, that like must always and of necessity be the friend of

like. These wise teachers cannot mean (continues Sokrates) that bad

men are friends of each other. The bad man can be no one's friend. He

is not even like himself, but ever wayward and insane:--much less can

he be like to any one else, even to another bad man. They mean that

the good alone are like to each other, and friends to each other.[13]

But is this true? What good, or what harm, can like do to like, which

it does not also do to itself? How can there be reciprocal love

between parties who render to each other no reciprocal aid? Is not

the good man, so far forth as good, sufficient to himself,--standing

in need of no one--and therefore loving no one? How can good men care

much for each other, seeing that they thus neither regret each other

when absent, nor have need of each other when present?[14]

[Footnote 12: Plato, Lysis, 213 E: [Greek: skopou=nta kata\ tou\s

poiêta/s; ou(=toi ga\r ê(mi=n ô(/sper pate/res tê=s sophi/as ei)si\

kai\ ê(gemo/nes.]]

[Footnote 13: Plato, Lysis, 214.]

[Footnote 14: Plato, Lysis 215 B: [Greek: O( de\ mê/ tou deo/menos,

ou)de/ ti a)gapô/| a)\n. . . . O(\ de\ mê\ a)gapô/|ê, ou)d' a)\n

philoi=. . . . Pô=s ou)=n oi( a)gathoi\ toi=s a)gathoi=s ê(mi=n phi/loi

e)/sontai tê\n a)rchê/n, oi(\ mê/te a(po/ntes potheinoi\

a)llê/lois--i(kanoi\ ga\r e(autoi=s kai\ chôri\s o)/ntes--mê/te paro/ntes

chrei/an au)tô=n e)/chousi? tou\s dê\ toiou/tous ti/s mêchanê\ peri\

pollou= poiei=sthai a)llêlous?]]

[Side-note: Other poets declare that likeness is a cause of

aversion; unlikeness, of friendship. Reasons _pro_ and

_con_. Rejected.]

It appears, therefore, Lysis (continues Sokrates), that we are

travelling in the wrong road, and must try another direction. I now

remember to have recently heard some one affirming--contrary to what

we have just said--that likeness is a cause of aversion, and**

unlikeness a cause of friendship. He too produced evidence from the

poets: for Hesiod tells us, that "potter is jealous of potter, and

bard of bard". Things most alike are most full of envy, jealousy and

hatred to each other: things most unlike, are most full of

friendship. Thus the poor man is of necessity a friend to the rich,

the weak man to the strong, for the sake of protection: the sick man,

for similar reason, to the physician. In general, every ignorant man

loves, and is a friend to, the man of knowledge. Nay, there are

also physical philosophers, who assert that this principle

pervades all nature; that dry is the friend of moist, cold of hot,

and so forth: that all contraries serve as nourishment to their

contraries. These are ingenious teachers: but if we follow them, we

shall have the cleverest disputants attacking us immediately, and

asking--What! is the opposite essentially a friend to its opposite?

Do you mean that unjust is essentially the friend of just--temperate

of intemperate--good of evil? Impossible: the doctrine cannot be

maintained.[15]

[Footnote 15: Plato, Lysis, 215-216.]

[Side-note: Confusion of Sokrates. He suggests, That the

Indifferent (neither good nor evil) is friend to the Good.]

My head turns (continues Sokrates) with this confusion and puzzle--since

neither like is the friend of like, nor contrary of contrary.

But I will now hazard a different guess of my own.[16] There are

three genera in all: the good--the evil--and that which is neither

good nor evil, the indifferent. Now we have found that good is not a

friend to good--nor evil to evil--nor good to evil--nor evil to good.

If therefore there exist any friendship at all, it must be the

indifferent that is friend, either to its like, or to the good: for

nothing whatever can be a friend to evil. But if the indifferent be a

friend at all, it cannot be a friend to its own like; since we have

already shown that like generally is not friend to like. It remains

therefore, that the indifferent, in itself neither good nor evil, is

friend to the good.[17]

[Footnote 16: Plato, Lysis, 216 C-D: [Greek: tô=| o)/nti au)to\s

i)liggiô= u(po\ tê=s tou= lo/gou a)pori/as--Le/gô toi/nun

a)pomanteuo/menos], &c.]

[Footnote 17: Plato, Lysis, 216 D.]

[Side-note: Suggestion canvassed. If the Indifferent is friend

to the Good, it is determined to become so by the contact of felt

evil, from which it is anxious to escape.]

Yet hold! Are we on the right scent? What reason is there to

determine, on the part of the indifferent, attachment to the good? It

will only have such attachment under certain given circumstances:

when, though neither good nor evil in itself, it has nevertheless

evil associated with it, of which it desires to be rid. Thus the body

in itself is neither good nor evil: but when diseased, it has evil

clinging to it, and becomes in consequence of this evil, friendly to

the medical art as a remedy. But this is true only so long as the

evil is only apparent, and not real: so long as it is a mere

superficial appendage, and has not become incorporated with the

essential nature of the body. When evil has become engrained,

the body ceases to be indifferent (_i.e._, neither good nor

evil), and loses all its attachment to good. Thus that which

determines the indifferent to become friend of the good, is, the

contact and pressure of accessory evil not in harmony with its own

nature, accompanied by a desire for the cure of such evil.[18]

[Footnote 18: Plato, Lysis, 217 E: [Greek: To\ mê/te kako\n a)/ra

mê/t' a)gatho\n e)ni/ote kakou= paro/ntos ou)/pô kako/n e)stin,

e)/sti d' o(/te ê)/dê to\ toiou=ton ge/gonen. Pa/nu ge. Ou)kou=n

o(/tan mê/pô lalo\n ê(=| kakou= paro/ntos, au)tê\ me\n ê( parousi/a

a)gathou= au)to\ poiei= e)pithumei=n, ê( de\ kako\n poiou=sa

a)posterei= au)to\ tê=s t' e)pithumi/as a)/ma kai\ tê=s phili/as

ta)gathou=. Ou) ga\r e)/ti e)sti\n ou)/te kako\n ou)/t' a)gatho/n,

a)lla\ kako/n; phi/lon de\ a)gathô=| kako\n ou)k ê)=n.]]

[Side-note: Principle illustrated by the philosopher. His

intermediate condition--not wise, yet painfully feeling his own

ignorance.]

Under this head comes the explanation of the philosopher--the friend

or lover of wisdom. The man already wise is not a lover of wisdom:

nor the man thoroughly bad and stupid, with whose nature ignorance is

engrained. Like does not love like, nor does contrary love contrary.

The philosopher is intermediate between the two: he is not wise, but

neither has he yet become radically stupid and unteachable. He has

ignorance cleaving to him as an evil, but he knows his own ignorance,

and yearns for wisdom as a cure for it.[19]

[Footnote 19: Plato, Lysis, 218 A. [Greek: dia\ tau=ta dê\ phai=men

a)\n kai\ tou\s ê)/dê sophou\s mêke/ti philosophei=n, ei)/te theoi\

ei)/te a)/nthrôpoi/ ei)sin ou(=toi; ou)d' au)= e)kei/nous

philosophei=n tou\s ou(/tôs a)/gnoian e)/chontas ô(/ste kakou\s

ei)=nai; kako\n ga\r kai\ a)mathê= ou)de/na philosophei=n. lei/pontai

dê\ oi( e)/chontes me\n to\ kako\n tou=to, tê\n a)/gnoian, mê/pô de\

u(p' au)tou= o)/ntes a)gnô/mones mêd' a)mathei=s, a)ll' e)/ti

ê(gou/menoi mê\ ei)de/nai a(\ mê\ i)/sasin. dio\ dê\ philosophou=sin

oi( ou)/te a)gathoi\ ou)/te kakoi/ pô o)/ntes. o(/soi de\ kakoi\, ou)

philosophou=sin, ou)de\ oi( a)gathoi/.]

Compare Plato, Symposion, 204.]

[Side-note: Sokrates dissatisfied. He originates a new

suggestion. The Primum Amabile, or object originally dear to us,

_per se_: by relation or resemblance to which other objects

become dear.]

The two young collocutors with Sokrates welcome this explanation

heartily, and Sokrates himself appears for the moment satisfied with

it. But he presently bethinks himself, and exclaims, Ah! Lysis and

Menexenus, our wealth is all a dream! we have been yielding again to

delusions! Let us once more examine. You will admit that all

friendship is on account of something and for the sake of something:

it is relative both to some producing cause, and to some prospective

end. Thus the body, which is in itself neither good nor evil, becomes

when sick a friend to the medical art: on account of sickness, which

is an evil--and for the sake of health, which is a good. The medical

art is dear to us, because health is dear: but is there any thing

behind, for the sake of which health also is dear? It is plain

that we cannot push the series of references onward for ever, and

that we must come ultimately to something which is dear _per

se_, not from reference to any ulterior _aliud_. We must come

to some _primum amabile_, dear by its own nature, to which all

other dear things refer, and from which they are derivatives.[20] It

is this _primum amabile_ which is the primitive, essential, and

constant, object of our affections: we love other things only from

their being associated with it. Thus suppose a father tenderly

attached to his son, and that the son has drunk hemlock, for which

wine is an antidote; the father will come by association to prize

highly, not merely the wine which saves his son's life, but even the

cup in which the wine is contained. Yet it would be wrong to say that

he prizes the wine or the cup as much as his son: for the truth is,

that all his solicitude is really on behalf of his son, and extends

only in a derivative and secondary way to the wine and the cup. So

about gold and silver: we talk of prizing highly gold and silver--but

this is incorrect, for what we really prize is not gold, but the

ulterior something, whatever it be, for the attainment of which gold

and other instrumental means are accumulated. In general terms--when

we say that B is dear on account of A, we are really speaking of A

under the name of B. What is really dear, is that primitive object of

love, _primum amabile_, towards which all the affections which

we bear to other things, refer and tend.[21]

[Footnote 20: Plato, Lysis, 219 C-D. [Greek: A)=r' ou)=n ou)k

a)na/gkê a)peipei=n ê(ma=s ou(/tôs i)o/ntas, kai\ a)phike/sthai e)pi/

tina a)rchê\n, ê)\ ou)ke/t' e)panoi/sei e)p' a)/llo phi/lon, a)ll'

ê(/xei e)p' e)kei=no o(/ e)sti _prô=ton phi/lon_, ou(= e(/neka

kai\ ta)/lla phame\n pa/nta phi/la ei)=nai?]]

[Footnote 21: Plato, Lysis, c. 37, p. 220 B. [Greek: O(/sa ga/r

phamen phi/la ei)=nai ê(mi=n e(/neka phi/lou tino/s, e(te/rô|

r(ê/mati phaino/metha le/gontes _au)to/_; phi/lon de\ _tô=|

o)/nti_ kinduneu/ei _e)kei=no au)to\_, ei)s o(\ pa=sai

au(=tai ai( lego/menai phili/ai teleutô=sin.]]

[Side-note: The cause of love is desire. We desire that which

is akin to us or our own.]

Is it then true (continues Sokrates) that good is our _primum

amabile_, and dear to us in itself? If so, is it dear to us on

account of evil? that is, only as a remedy for evil; so that if evil

were totally banished, good would cease to be prized? Is it true that

evil is the cause why any thing is dear to us?[22] This cannot be:

because even if all evil were banished, the appetites and

desires, such of them as were neither good nor evil, would still

remain: and the things which gratify those appetites will be dear to

us. It is not therefore true that evil is the cause of things being

dear to us. We have just found out another cause for loving and being

loved--desire. He who desires, loves what he desires and as long as

he desires: he desires moreover that of which he is in want, and he

is in want of that which has been taken away from him--of his

own.[23] It is therefore this _own_ which is the appropriate

object of desire, friendship, and love. If you two, Lysis and

Menexenus, love each other, it is because you are somehow of kindred

nature with each other. The lover would not become a lover, unless

there were, between him and his beloved, a certain kinship or

affinity in mind, disposition, tastes, or form. We love, by necessary

law, that which has a natural affinity to us; so that the real and

genuine lover may be certain of a return of affection from his

beloved.[24]

[Footnote 22: Plato, Lysis, 220 D. We may see that in this chapter

Plato runs into a confusion between [Greek: to\ dia/ ti] and [Greek:

to\ e(/neka/ tou], which two he began by carefully distinguishing.

Thus in 218 D he says, [Greek: o( phi/los e)sti\ tô| phi/los--e(/neka/

tou kai\ dia/ ti.] Again 219 A, he says--[Greek: to\ sô=ma

tê=s i)atrikê=s phi/lon e)sti/n, _dia\ tê\n no/son, e(/neka tê=s

u(giei/as_.] This is a very clear and important distinction.

It is continued in 220 D--[Greek: o(/ti _dia\ to\ kako\n_

ta)gatho\n ê)gapô=men kai\ e)philou=men, ô(s pha/rmakon o)\n tou=

kakou= to\ a)gatho/n, to\ de\ kako/n no/sma.] But in 220 E--[Greek:

to\ de\ tô=| o)/nti phi/lon pa=n tou)nanti/on tou/tou phai/netai

pephuko/s; _phi/lon ga\r ê(mi=n a)nepha/nê o(\n e(chthrou=

e(/neka_.] To make the reasoning consistent with what had gone

before, these two last words ought to be exchanged for [Greek: dia\

to\ e)chthro/n]. Plato had laid down the doctrine that good is

loved--[Greek: dia\ to\ kako/n], not [Greek: e(/neka tou= kakou=]. Good

is loved on _account of evil_, but for _the sake of obtaining_

a remedy to or cessation of the evil.

Steinhart (in his note on Hieron. Müller's translation of Plato, p.

268) calls this a "sophistisches Räthselspiel"; and he notes other

portions of the dialogue which "remind us of the deceptive tricks of

the Sophists" (die Trugspiele der Sophisten, see p. 222-224-227-230).

He praises Plato here for his "fine pleasantry on the deceptive arts

of the Sophists". Admitting that Plato puts forward sophistical

quibbles with the word [Greek: phi/los], he tells us that this is

suitable for the purpose of puzzling the contentious young man

Menexenus. The confusion between [Greek: e(/neka/ tou] and [Greek:

dia/ ti] (noticed above) appears to be numbered by Steinhart among

the fine jests against Protagoras, Prodikus, or some of the Sophists.

I can see nothing in it except an unconscious inaccuracy in Plato's

reasoning.]

[Footnote 23: Plato, Lysis, 221 E. [Greek: To\ e)pithumou=n ou(= a)\n

e)ndee\s ê)=|, tou/tou e)pithumei=--e)ndee\s de\ gi/gnetai ou(= a)/n

tis a)phairê=tai--tou= oi)kei/ou dê/, ô(s e)/oiken, o(/ te e)/rôs

kai\ ê( phili/a kai\ ê( e)pithumi/a tugcha/nei ou)=sa.] This is the

same doctrine as that which we read, expanded and cast into a myth

with comic turn, in the speech of Aristophanes in the Symposion, pp.

191-192-193. [Greek: e(/kastos ou)=n ê(mô=n e)/stin a)nthrô/pou

su/mbolon, a)/te tetmême/nos ô(/sper ai( psê=ttai e)x e(no\s du/o.

zêtei= dê\ a)ei\ to\ au)tou= e(/kastos xu/mbolon] (191 D)--[Greek:

dikai/ôs a)\n u(mnoi=men E)/rôta, o(\s e)/n te tô=| paro/nti plei=sta

ê(ma=s o)ni/nêsin ei)s to\ oi)kei=on a)/gôn], &c. (193 D).]

[Footnote 24: Plato, Lysis, 221-222.]

[Side-note: Good is of a nature akin to every one, evil is

alien to every one. Inconsistency with what has been previously laid

down.]

But is there any real difference between what is akin and what is

like? We must assume that there is: for we showed before, that like

was useless to like, and therefore not dear to like. Shall we say

that good is of a nature akin to every one, and evil of a nature

foreign to every one? If so, then there can be no friendship except

between one good man and another good man. But this too has been

proved to be impossible. All our tentatives have been alike

unsuccessful.

[Side-note: Failure of the enquiry. Close of the dialogue.]

In this dilemma (continues Sokrates, the narrator) I was about to ask

assistance from some of the older men around. But the tutors of

Menexenus and Lysis came up to us and insisted on conveying their

pupils home--the hour being late. As the youths were departing I said

to them--Well, we must close our dialogue with the confession, that

we have all three made a ridiculous figure in it: I, an old man, as

well as you two youths. Our hearers will go away declaring, that we

fancy ourselves to be friends each to the other two; but that we have

not yet been able to find out what a friend is.[25]

[Footnote 25: Plato, Lysis, 223 B. [Greek: Nu=n me\n katage/lastoi

gego/namen e)gô/ te, gerô\n a)nê/r, kai\ u(mei=s], &c.]

* * * * *

[Side-note: Remarks. No positive result. Sokratic purpose in

analysing the familiar words--to expose the false persuasion of

knowledge.]

Thus ends the main discussion of the Lysis: not only without any

positive result, but with speakers and hearers more puzzled than they

were at the beginning: having been made to feel a great many

difficulties which they never felt before. Nor can I perceive any

general purpose running through the dialogue, except that truly

Sokratic and Platonic purpose--To show, by cross-examination on the

commonest words that what every one appears to know, and talks about

most confidently, no one really knows or can distinctly explain.[26]

This is the meaning of the final declaration put into the mouth

of Sokrates. "We believe ourselves to be each other's friends, yet we

none of us know what a friend is." The question is one, which no one

had ever troubled himself to investigate, or thought it requisite to

ask from others. Every one supposed himself to know, and every one

had in his memory an aggregate of conceptions and beliefs which he

accounted tantamount to knowledge: an aggregate generated by the

unconscious addition of a thousand facts and associations, each

separately unimportant and often inconsistent with the remainder:

while no rational analysis had ever been applied to verify the

consistency of this spontaneous product, or to define the familiar

words in which it is expressed. The reader is here involved in a

cloud of confusion respecting Friendship. No way out of it is shown,

and how is he to find one? He must take the matter into his own

active and studious meditation: which he has never yet done, though

the word is always in his mouth, and though the topic is among the

most common and familiar, upon which "the swain treads daily with his

clouted shoon".

[Footnote 26: Among the many points of analogy between the Lysis and

the Charmidês, one is, That both of them are declared to be spurious

and unworthy of Plato, by Socher as well as by Ast (Ast, Platon's

Leben, pp. 429-434; Socher, Ueber Platon, pp. 137-144).

Schleiermacher ranks the Lysis as second in his Platonic series of

dialogues, an appendix to the Phædrus (Einl. p. 174 seq.); K. F.

Hermann, Stallbaum, and nearly all the other critics dissent from

this view: they place the Lysis as an early dialogue, along with

Charmidês and Lachês, anterior to the Protagoras (K. F. Hermann,

Gesch. und Syst. Plat. Phil. pp. 447-448; Stallbaum, Proleg. ad Lys.

p. 90 (110 2nd ed.); Steinhart, Einl. p. 221) near to or during the

government of the Thirty. All of them profess to discover in the

Lysis "adolescentiæ vestigia".

Ast and Socher characterise the dialogue as a tissue of subtle

sophistry and eristic contradiction, such as (in their opinion) Plato

cannot have composed. Stallbaum concedes the sophistry, but contends

that it is put by Plato intentionally, for the purpose of deriding,

exposing, disgracing, the Sophists and their dialectical tricks:

"ludibrii causâ" (p. 88); "ut illustri aliquo exemplo demonstretur

dialecticam istam, quam adolescentes magno quodam studio sectabantur,

nihil esse aliud, nisi inanem quandam argutiarum captatricem,"

&c. (p. 87). Nevertheless he contends that along with this

derisory matter there is intermingled serious reasoning which may be

easily distinguished (p. 87), but which certainly he does not clearly

point out. (Compare pp. 108-9-14-15, 2nd ed.) Schleiermacher and

Steinhart also (pp. 222-224-227) admit the sophistry in which

Sokrates is here made to indulge. But Steinhart maintains that there

is an assignable philosophical purpose in the dialogue, which Plato

purposely wrapped up in enigmatical language, but of which he

(Steinhart) professes to give the solution (p. 228).]

[Side-note: Subject of Lysis. Suited for a Dialogue of Search.

Manner of Sokrates, multiplying defective explanations, and showing

reasons why each is defective.]

This was a proper subject for a dialogue of Search. In the dialogue

Lysis, Plato describes Sokrates as engaged in one of these searches,

handling, testing, and dropping, one point of view after another,

respecting the idea and foundation of friendship. He speaks,

professedly, as a diviner or guesser; following out obscure

promptings which he does not yet understand himself.[27] In this

character, he suggests several different explanations, not only

distinct but inconsistent with each other; each of them true to a

certain extent, under certain conditions and circumstances: but each

of them untrue, when we travel beyond those limits: other

contradictory considerations then interfering. To multiply defective

explanations, and to indicate why each is defective, is the whole

business of the dialogue.

[Footnote 27: Plato, Lysis, 216 D. [Greek: le/gô toi/nun

a)pomanteuo/menos], &c.]

[Side-note: The process of trial and error is better

illustrated by a search without result than with result. Usefulness

of the dialogue for self-working minds.]

Schleiermacher discovers in this dialogue indications of a positive

result not plainly enunciated: but he admits that Aristotle did not

discover them--nor can I believe them to have been intended by the

author.[28] But most critics speak slightingly of it, as alike

sceptical and sophistical: and some even deny its authenticity on

these grounds. Plato might have replied by saying that he intended it

as a specimen illustrating the process of search for an unknown

_quæsitum_; and as an exposition of what can be said for, as

well as against, many different points of view. The process of trial

and error, the most general fact of human intelligence, is even

better illustrated when the search is unsuccessful: because when a

result is once obtained, most persons care for nothing else and

forget the antecedent blunders. To those indeed, who ask only to hear

the result as soon as it is found, and who wait for others to look

for it--such a dialogue as the Lysis will appear of little value. But

to any one who intends to search for it himself, or to study the same

problem for himself, the report thus presented of a previous

unsuccessful search, is useful both as guidance and warning. Every

one of the tentative solutions indicated in the Lysis has something

in its favour, yet is nevertheless inadmissible. To learn the grounds

which ultimately compel us to reject what at first appears

admissible, is instruction not to be despised; at the very least, it

helps to preserve us from mistake, and to state the problem in the

manner most suitable for obtaining a solution.

[Footnote 28: Schleiermacher, Einleitung zum Lysis, i. p. 177.]

[Side-note: Subject of friendship, handled both by the

Xenophontic Sokrates, and by Aristotle.]

In truth, no one general solution is attainable, such as Plato here

professes to search for.[29] In one of the three Xenophontic

dialogues wherein the subject of friendship is discussed we find

the real Sokrates presenting it with a juster view of its real

complications.[30] The same remark may be made upon Aristotle's

manner of handling friendship in the Ethics. He seems plainly to

allude to the Lysis (though not mentioning it by name); and to profit

by it at least in what he puts out of consideration, if not in what

he brings forward.[31] He discards the physical and cosmical

analogies, which Plato borrows from Empedokles and Herakleitus, as

too remote and inapplicable: he considers that the question must be

determined by facts and principles relating to human dispositions and

conduct. In other ways, he circumscribes the problem, by setting

aside (what Plato includes) all objects of attachment which are not

capable of reciprocating attachment.[32] The problem, as set forth

here by Plato, is conceived in great generality. In what manner does

one man become the friend of another?[33] How does a man become the

object of friendship or love from another? What is that object

towards which our love or friendship is determined? These terms are

so large, that they include everything belonging to the Tender

Emotion generally.[34]

[Footnote 29: Turgot has some excellent remarks on the hopelessness

of such problems as that which Plato propounds, here well as in other

dialogues, to find definitions of common and vague terms.

We read in his article Etymologie, in the Encyclopédie (vol. iii. pp.

70-72 of his Oeuvres Complets):

"Qu'on se répresente la foule des acceptions du mot _esprit_,

depuis son sens primitif _spiritus, haleine_, jusqu'à ceux

qu'on lui donne dans la chimie, dans la littérature, dans la

jurisprudence, _esprit acide_, esprit de Montaigne, _esprit

des loix_, &c.--qu'on essaie d'extraire de toutes ces

acceptions une idée qui soit commune à toutes--on verra s'évanouir

tous les caractères qui distinguent _l'esprit_ de toute autre

chose, dans quelque sens qu'on le prenne. . . . La multitude et

l'incompatibilité des acceptions du mot _esprit_, sont telles,

que personne n'a été tenté de les comprendre toutes dans une seule

_définition_, et de définir l'esprit en général. Mais le vice de

cette méthode n'est pas moins réel lorsqu'il n'est pas assez sensible

pour empêcher qu'on ne la suive.

"A mesure que le nombre et la diversité des acceptions diminue,

l'absurdité s'affoiblit: et quand elle disparoit, il reste encore

l'erreur. J'ose dire, que presque toutes les _définitions_ où

l'on annonce qu'on va définir les choses _dans le sens le plus

général_, ont ce défaut, et ne définissent véritablement rien:

parceque leurs auteurs, en voulant renfermer toutes les acceptions

d'un mot, ont entrepris une chose impossible: je veux dire, de

rassembler sous une seule idée générale des idées très différentes

entre elles, et qu'un même nom n'a jamais pu désigner que

successivement, en cessant en quelque sorte d'être le même mot."

See also the remarks of Mr. John Stuart Mill on the same subject.

System of Logic, Book IV. chap. 4, s. 5.]

[Footnote 30: See Xenophon, Memor. ii. 4-5-6. In the last of these

three conversations (s. 21-22), Sokrates says to Kritobulus [Greek:

A)ll' e)/chei me\n poiki/lôs pôs tau=ta, ô)= Krito/boule; phu/sei

ga\r e)/chousin oi( a)/nthrôpoi ta\ me\n philika/; de/ontai te ga\r

a)llê/lôn, kai\ e)leou=si, kai\ sunergou=ntes ô)phelou=si, kai\

tou=to sunie/ntes cha/rin e)/chousin a)llê/lois, ta\ de\ polemika/;

ta/ te ga\r au)ta\ kala\ kai\ ê(de/a nomi/zontes u(pe\r tou/tôn

ma/chontai, kai\ dichognômonou=ntes e)nantiou=ntai; polemiko\n de\

kai\ e)/ris kai\ o)rgê/; kai\ dusmene\s me\n o( tou= pleonektei=n

e)/rôs, misêto\n de\ o( phtho/nos.]

This observation of Sokrates is very true and valuable--that the

causes of friendship and the causes of enmity are both of them

equally natural, _i.e._ equally interwoven with the constant

conditions of individual and social life. This is very different from

the vague, partial, and encomiastic predicates with which [Greek: to\

phu/sei] is often decorated elsewhere by Sokrates himself, as well as

by Plato and Aristotle.]

[Footnote 31: Aristot. Eth. Nikom. viii. 1, p. 1155 b. Compare Plato,

Lysis, 214 A--215 E.]

[Footnote 32: Aristot. Ethic. Nik. viii. 2, p. 1155, b. 28; Plato,

Lysis, 212 D.]

[Footnote 33: Plato, Lysis, 212 A: [Greek: o(/ntina tro/pon gi/gnetai

phi/los e(/teros e(te/rou.] 223 ad fin.: [Greek: o(/, ti e)sti\n o(

phi/los.]]

[Footnote 34: See the chapter on Tender Emotion in Mr. Bain's

elaborate classification and description of the Emotions. 'The

Emotions and the Will,' ch. vii. p. 94 seq. (3rd ed., p. 124).

In the Lysis, 216 C-D, we read, among the suppositions thrown out by

Sokrates, about [Greek: to\ phi/lon--kinduneu/ei kata\ tê\n

a)rchai/an paroimi/an to\ kalo\n phi/lon ei)=nai. e)/oike gou=n

malakô=| tini kai\lei/ô| kai\ liparô=|; dio\ kai\ i)/sôs r(a|di/ôs

diolisthai/nei kai\ diadu/etai ê(ma=s, a(/te toiou=ton o)/n; le/gô

ga\r ta)gatho\n kalo\n ei)=nai.] This allusion to the soft and the

smooth is not very clear; a passage in Mr. Bain's chapter serves to

illustrate it.

"Among the sensations of the senses we find some that have the power

of awakening tender emotion. The sensations that incline to

tenderness are, in the first place, the effects of very gentle or

soft stimulants, such as soft touches, gentle sounds, slow movements,

temperate warmth, mild sunshine. These sensations must be felt in

order to produce the effect, which is mental and not simply organic.

We have seen that an acute sensation raises a vigorous muscular

expression, as in wonder; a contrast to this is exhibited by gentle

pressure or mild radiance. Hence tenderness is passive emotion by

pre-eminence: we see it flourishing best in the quiescence of the

moving members. Remotely there may be a large amount of action

stimulated by it, but the proper outgoing accompaniment of it is

organic not muscular."

That the sensations of the soft and the smooth dispose to the Tender

Emotion is here pointed out as a fact in human nature, agreeably to

the comparison of Plato. Mr. Bain's treatise has the rare merit of

describing fully the physical as well as the mental characteristics

of each separate emotion.]

[Side-note: Debate in the Lysis partly verbal, partly real.

Assumptions made by the Platonic Sokrates, questionable, such as the

real Sokrates would have found reason for challenging.]

The debate in the Lysis is partly verbal: _i.e._, respecting the

word [Greek: phi/los], whether it means the person loving, or the

person loved, or whether it shall be confined to those cases in which

the love is reciprocal, and then applied to both. Herein the question

is about the meaning of words--a word and nothing more. The following

portions of the dialogue enter upon questions not verbal but

real--"Whether we are disposed to love what is like to ourselves, or

what is unlike or opposite to ourselves?" Though both these are

occasionally true, it is shown that as general explanations neither

of them will hold. But this is shown by means of the following

assumptions, which not only those whom Plato here calls the "very

clever Disputants,"[35] but Sokrates himself at other times, would

have called in question, viz.: "That bad men cannot be friends to

each other--that men like to each other (therefore good men as

well as bad) can be of no use to each other, and therefore there can

be no basis of friendship between them--that the good man is

self-sufficing, stands in need of no one, and therefore will not love

any one."[36] All these assumptions Sokrates would have found sufficient

reason for challenging, if they had been advanced by Protagoras or

any other opponents. They stand here as affirmed by him; but here, as

elsewhere in Plato, the reader must apply his own critical intellect,

and test what he reads for himself.

[Footnote 35: Plato, Lysis, 216 A.: [Greek: oi( pa/nsophoi a)/ndres

oi( a)ntilogikoi/], &c. Yet Plato, in the Phædrus and Symposion,

indicates colloquial debate as the great generating cause of the most

intense and durable friendship. Aristeides the Rhetor says, Orat.

xlvii. ([Greek: Pro\s Kapi/tôna]), p. 418, Dindorf, [Greek: e)pei\

kai\ Pla/tôn to\ a)lêthe\s a(pantachou= tima=|, kai\ ta\s e)n toi=s

lo/gois sunousi/as a)phormê\n phili/as a)lêthinê=s u(polamba/nei.]]

[Footnote 36: Plato, Lysis, 214-215. The discourse of Cicero, De

Amicitiâ, is composed in a style of pleasing rhetoric; suitable to

Lælius, an ancient Roman senator and active politician, who expressly

renounces the accurate subtlety of Grecian philosophers (v. 18).

There is little in it which we can compare with the Platonic Lysis;

but I observe that he too, giving expression to his own feelings,

maintains that there can be no friendship except between the good and

virtuous: a position which is refuted by the "nefaria vox," cited by

himself as spoken by C. Blossius, xi. 37.]

[Side-note: Peculiar theory about friendship broached by

Sokrates. Persons neither good nor evil by nature, yet having a

superficial tinge of evil, and desiring good to escape from it.]

It is thus shown, or supposed to be shown, that the persons who love

are neither the Good, nor the Bad: and that the objects loved, are

neither things or persons similar, nor opposite, to the persons

loving. Sokrates now adverts to the existence of a third

category--Persons who are neither good, nor bad, but intermediate between

the two--Objects which are intermediate between likeness and opposition.

He announces as his own conjecture,[37] that the Subject of friendly

or loving feeling, is, that which is neither good nor evil: the

Object of the feeling, Good: and the cause of the feeling, the

superficial presence of evil, which the subject desires to see

removed.[38] The evil must be present in a superficial and removable

manner--like whiteness in the hair caused by white paint, not by the

grey colour of old age. Sokrates applies this to the state of mind of

the philosopher, or lover of knowledge: who is not yet either

thoroughly good or thoroughly bad,--either thoroughly wise or

thoroughly unwise--but in a state intermediate between the two:

ignorant, yet conscious of his own ignorance, and feeling it as a

misfortune which he was anxious to shake off.[39]

[Footnote 37: Plato, Lysis, 216 D. [Greek: le/gô toi/nun

a)pomanteuo/menos], &c.]

[Footnote 38: Plato, Lysis, 216-217.]

[Footnote 39: Plato, Lysis, 218 C. [Greek: lei/pontai dê\ oi(

e)/chontes me\n to\ kako\ tou=to, tê\n a)/gnoian, mê/pô de\ u(p'

au)tou= o)/ntes a)gnô/mones mêd' a)mathei=s, a)ll' e)/ti ê(gou/menoi

mê\ ei)de/nai a)\ mê\ i)/sasi; dio\ dê\ philosophou=sin oi( ou)/te

a)gathoi\ ou)/te kakoi/ pô o)/ntes; o(/soi de\ kakoi/, ou)

philosophou=sin, ou)de\ oi( a)gathoi/.] Compare the phrase of Seneca,

Epist. 59, p. 211, Gronov.: "Elui difficile est: non enim inquinati

sumus, sed infecti".]

[Side-note: This general theory illustrated by the case

of the philosopher or lover of wisdom. Painful consciousness of

ignorance the attribute of the philosopher. Value set by Sokrates and

Plato upon this attribute.]

This meaning of philosophy, though it is not always and consistently

maintained throughout the Platonic writings, is important as

expanding and bringing into system the position laid down by Sokrates

in the Apology. He there disclaimed all pretensions to wisdom, but he

announced himself as a philosopher, in the above literal sense: that

is, as ignorant, yet as painfully conscious of his own ignorance, and

anxiously searching for wisdom as a corrective to it: while most men

were equally ignorant, but were unconscious of their own ignorance,

believed themselves to be already wise, and delivered confident

opinions without ever having analysed the matters on which they

spoke. The conversation of Sokrates (as I have before remarked) was

intended, not to teach wisdom, but to raise men out of this false

persuasion of wisdom, which he believed to be the natural state of

the human mind, into that mental condition which he called

philosophy. His Elenchus made them conscious of their ignorance,

anxious to escape from it, and prepared for mental efforts in search

of knowledge: in which search Sokrates assisted them, but without

declaring, and even professing inability to declare, where that truth

lay in which the search was to end. He considered that this change

was in itself a great and serious improvement, converting what was

evil, radical, and engrained--into evil superficial and removable;

which was a preliminary condition to any positive acquirement. The

first thing to be done was to create searchers after truth, men who

would look at the subject for themselves with earnest attention, and

make up their own individual convictions. Even if nothing ulterior

were achieved, that alone would be a great deal. Such was the scope

of the Sokratic conversation; and such the conception of philosophy

(the capital peculiarity which Plato borrowed from Sokrates), which

is briefly noted in this passage of the Lysis, and developed in other

Platonic dialogues, especially in the Symposion,[40] which we shall

reach presently.

[Footnote 40: Plato, Sympos. 202-203-204. Phædrus, 278 D.]

[Side-note: Another theory of Sokrates. The Primum Amabile, or

original and primary object of Love. Particular objects are loved

through association with this. The object is, Good.]

Still, however, Sokrates is not fully satisfied with this

hypothesis, but passes on to another. If we love anything, we

must love it (he says) for the sake of something. This implies that

there must exist, in the background, a something which is the

primitive and real object of affection. The various things which we

actually love, are not loved for their own sake, but for the sake of

this _primum amabile_, and as shadows projected by it: just as a

man who loves his son, comes to love by association what is salutary

or comforting to his son--or as he loves money for the sake of what

money will purchase. The _primum amabile_, in the view of

Sokrates, is _Good_; particular things loved, are loved as

shadows of good.

[Side-note: Statement by Plato of the general law of mental

association.]

This is a doctrine which we shall find reproduced in other dialogues.

We note with interest here, that it appears illustrated, by a

statement of the general law of mental association--the calling up of

one idea by other ideas or by sensations, and the transference of

affections from one object to others which have been apprehended in

conjunction with it, either as antecedents or consequents. Plato

states this law clearly in the Phædon and elsewhere:[41] but he here

conceives it imperfectly: for he seems to believe that, if an

affection be transferred by association from a primitive object A, to

other objects, B, C, D, &c., A always continues to be the only

real object of affection, while B, C, D, &c., operate upon the

mind merely by carrying it back to A. The affection towards B, C, D,

&c., therefore is, in the view of Plato, only the affection for A

under other denominations and disguises.[42] Now this is doubtless

often the case; but often also, perhaps even more generally, it is

not the case. After a certain length of repetition and habit, all

conscious reference to the primitive object of affection will

commonly be left out, and the affection towards the secondary object

will become a feeling both substantive and immediate. What was

originally loved as means, for the sake of an ulterior end, will in

time come to be loved as an end for itself; and to constitute a

new centre of force, from whence derivatives may branch out. It may

even come to be loved more vehemently than any primitive object of

affection, if it chance to accumulate in itself derivative influences

from many of those objects.[43] This remark naturally presents

itself, when we meet here for the first time, distinctly stated by

Plato, the important psychological doctrine of the transference of

affections by association from one object to others.

[Footnote 41: Plato, Phædon, 73-74.

It is declared differently, and more clearly, by Aristotle in the

treatise [Greek: Peri\ Mnê/mês kai\ A)namnê/seôs], pp. 451-452.]

[Footnote 42: Plato, Lysis, 220 B. [Greek: o(/sa ga/r phamen phi/la

ei)=nai ê(mi=n e(/neka phi/lou tino/s, e(te/rô| r(ê/mati phaino/metha

le/gontes au)to/; phi/lon de\ tô=| o)/nti kinduneu/ei e)kei=no au)to\

ei)=nai, ei)s o(\ pa=sai au(=tai ai( lego/menai phili/ai

teleutô=sin.]]

[Footnote 43: There is no stronger illustration of this than the love

of money, which is the very example that Plato himself here cites.

The important point to which I here call attention, in respect to the

law of Mental Association, is forcibly illustrated by Mr. James Mill

in his 'Analysis of the Human Mind,' chapters xxi. and xxii., and by

Professor Bain in his works on the Senses and the

Intellect,--Intellect, chap. i. sect. 47-48, p. 404 seq. ed. 3; and on

the Emotions and the Will, chap. iv. sect. 4-5, p. 428 seq. (3rd ed. p.

363 seq.).]

[Side-note: Theory of the Primum Amabile, here introduced by

Sokrates, with numerous derivative objects of love. Platonic Idea.

Generic communion of Aristotle, distinguished by him from the feebler

analogical communion.]

The _primum amabile_, here introduced by Sokrates, is described

in restricted terms, as valuable merely to correct evil, and as

having no value _per se_, if evil were assumed not to exist. In

consequence chiefly of this restriction, Sokrates discards it as

unsatisfactory. Such restriction, however, is noway essential to the

doctrine: which approaches to, but is not coincident with, the Ideal

Good or Idea of Good, described in other dialogues as what every one

yearns after and aspires to, though without ever attaining it and

without even knowing what it is.[44] The Platonic Idea was conceived

as a substantive, intelligible, Ens, distinct in its nature from all

the particulars bearing the same name, and separated from them all by

a gulf which admitted no gradations of nearer and farther--yet

communicating itself to, or partaken by, all of them, in some

inexplicable way. Aristotle combated this doctrine, denying the

separate reality of the Idea, and admitting only a common generic

essence, dwelling in and pervading the particulars, but pervading

them all equally. The general word connoting this generic unity was

said by Aristotle (retaining the Platonic phraseology) to be [Greek:

lego/menon kata\ mi/an i)de/an] or [Greek: kath' e(/n].

[Footnote 44: Plato, Republ. vi. pp. 505-506.]

But apart from and beyond such generic unity, which implied a common

essence belonging to all, Aristotle recognised a looser, more

imperfect, yet more extensive, communion, founded upon common

relationship towards some [Greek: A)rchê\]--First Principle or First

Object. Such relationship was not always the same in kind: it might

be either resemblance, concomitance, antecedence or consequence,

&c.: it might also be different in degree, closer or more remote,

direct or indirect. Here, then, there was room for graduation, or

ordination of objects as former and latter, first, second, third,

&c., according as, when compared with each other, they were more

or less related to the common root. This imperfect communion was

designated by Aristotle under the title [Greek: kat' a)nalogi/an], as

contrasted with [Greek: kata\ ge/nos]: the predicate which affirmed

it was said to be applied, not [Greek: kata\ mi/an i)de/an] or

[Greek: kath' e(/n], but [Greek: pro\s mi/an phu/sin] or [Greek:

pro\s e(/n]:[45] it was affirmed neither entirely [Greek: sunônu/môs]

(which would imply generic communion), nor entirely [Greek:

o(mônu/môs] (which would be casual and imply no communion at all),

but midway between the two, so as to admit of a graduated communion,

and an arrangement as former and later, first cousin, or second,

third cousin. Members of the same Genus were considered to be

brothers, all on a par: but wherever there was this graduated

cousinship or communion (signified by the words Former and Later,

more or less in degree of relationship), Aristotle did not admit a

common Genus, nor did Plato admit a Substantive Idea.[46]

[Footnote 45: Arist. Metaphys. A. 1072, a. 26-29; Bonitz, Comm. p.

497 id. [Greek: Prô=ton o)rekto/n--Prô=ton voêto/n (prô=ton

o)rekto\n]--"quod _per se_ appetibile est et concupiscitur").

"Quod autem primum est in aliquâ serie, id præcipue etiam habet

qualitatem, quæ in reliquâ cernitur serie, c. a. 993, b. 24: ergo

prima illa substantia est [Greek: to\ a)/riston]"--also [Greek: G]

1004, a. 25-26, 1005, a. 7, about the [Greek: prô=ton e(/n--prô=ton

o)/n]. These were [Greek: ta\ pollachô=s lego/mena--ta\ pleonachô=s

lego/mena]--which were something less than [Greek: sunô/numa] and

more than [Greek: o(mô/numa]; intermediate between the two, having no

common [Greek: lo/gos] or generical unity, and yet not entirely

equivocal, but designating a [Greek: koino\n kat' a)nalogi/an]: not

[Greek: kata\ mi/an i)de/an lego/mena], but [Greek: pro\s e(\n] or

[Greek: pro\s mi/an phu/sin]; having a certain relation to one common

[Greek: phu/sis] called [Greek: to\ prô=ton]. See the Metaphys.

[Greek: G]. 1003, a. 33--[Greek: to/ de\ o)/n le/getai me\n

pollachô=s, a)lla\ pro\s e(/n kai\ mi/an tina\ phu/sin, kai\ ou)ch

o(mônu/môs, a)ll' ô(/sper to\ u(gieino\n a(/pan pro\s u(giei/an, to\

me\n tô=| phula/ttein, to\ de\ tô=| poiei=n, to\ de\ tê| sêmei=on

ei)=nai tê=s u(giei/as, to\ d' o(/ti dektiko\n au)tê=s--kai\ to\

i)atriko\n pro\s i)atrikê/n], &c. The Scholion of Alexander upon

this passage is instructive (p. 638, a. Brandis); and a very copious

explanation of the whole doctrine is given by M. Brentano, in his

valuable treatise, 'Von der mannigfachen Bedeutung _des

Seienden_ nach Aristoteles,' Freiburg, 1862, pp. 85-108-147.

Compare Aristotel. Politic. III. i. 9, p. 1275, a. 35.

The distinction drawn by Aristotle between [Greek: to\ koino\n kat'

i)de/an] and [Greek: to\ koino\n kat' a)nalogi/an]--between [Greek:

ta\ kata\ mi/an i)de/an lego/mena], and [Greek: ta\ pro\s e(\n] or

[Greek: pro\s mi/an phu/sin lego/mena]--this distinction corresponds

in part to that which is drawn by Dr. Whewell between classes which

are given by Definition, and natural groups which are given by Type.

"Such a natural group" (says Dr. Whewell) "is steadily fixed, though

not precisely limited; it is given, though not circumscribed; it is

determined, not by a boundary but by a central point within, &c."

The coincidence between this doctrine and the Aristotelian is real,

though only partial: [Greek: to\ prô=ton phi/lon, to\ prô=ton

o(rekto/n], may be considered as types of _objects loveable,

objects desirable_, &c., but [Greek: ê( u(giei/a] cannot be

considered as a type of [Greek: ta\ u(gieina\] nor [Greek: ê(

i)atrikê\] as a type of [Greek: ta\ i)atrika/], though it is "the

central point" to which all things so called are referred. See Dr.

Whewell's doctrine stated in the Philosophy of the Inductive

Sciences, i. 476-477; and the comments of Mr. John Stuart Mill on the

doctrine--'System of Logic,' Book iv. ch. 7. I have adverted to this

same doctrine in remarking on the Hippias Major, supra, p. 47; also

on the Philêbus, infra, chap. 32, vol. III.]

[Footnote 46: This is attested by Aristotle, Eth. Nik. i. 64, p.

1096, a. 16. [Greek: Oi( de\ komi/santes tê\n do/xan tau/tên, ou)k

e)poi/oun i)de/as e)n oi(=s to\ pro/teron kai\ to\ u(/steron

e)/legon; dio/per ou)de\ tô=n a)rithmô=n i)de/an kateskeu/azon]:

compare Ethic. Eudem. i. 8, 1218, a. 2. He goes on to object that

Plato, having laid this down as a general principle, departed from it

in recognizing an [Greek: i)de/an a)gathou=], because [Greek:

ta)gatho\n] was predicated in all the categories, in that of [Greek:

ou)si/a] as well as in that of [Greek: pro/s ti--to\ de\ kath' au(to\

kai\ ê( ou)si/a pro/teron tê=| phu/sei tou= pro/s ti--ô(/ste ou)k

a)\n ei)/ê koinê/ tis e)pi\ tou/tôn i)de/a.]]

[Side-note: Primum Amabile of Plato, compared with the Prima

Amicitia of Aristotle. Each of them is head of an analogical

aggregate, not member of a generic family.]

Now the [Greek: Prô=ton phi/lon] or Primum Amabile which we find in

the Lysis, is described as the principium or initial root of one of

these imperfectly united aggregates; ramifying into many branches

more or less distant, in obedience to one or other of the different

laws of association. Aristotle expresses the same idea in another

form of words: instead of a Primum Amabile, he gives us a Prima

Amicitia--affirming that the diversities of friendship are not

species comprehended under the same genus, but gradations or

degeneracies departing in one direction or other from the First or

pure Friendship. The Primum Amabile, in Plato's view, appears to be

the Good, though he does not explicitly declare it: the Prima

Amicitia, with Aristotle, is friendship subsisting between two good

persons, who have had sufficient experience to know, esteem, and

trust, each other.[47]

[Footnote 47: Aristotel. Eth. Nikom. viii. 2, 1155, b. 12, viii. 5,

1157, a. 30, viii. 4; Eth. Eudem. vii. 2, 1236, a. 15. The statement

is more full in the Eudemian Ethics than in the Nikomachean; he

begins the seventh book by saying that [Greek: phili/a] is not said

[Greek: monachô=s] but [Greek: pleonachô=s]; and in p. 1236 he says

[Greek: A)na/gkê a)/ra tri/a phili/as ei)/dê ei)=nai, kai\ _mête

kath' e(\n a(pa/sas_ mêth' ô(s _ei)/dê e(no\s ge/nous_, mê/te

pa/mpan le/gesthai o(mônu/môs; pro\s _mi/an ga/r tina le/gontai

kai\ prô/tên, ô(/sper to\ i)atriko/n_], &c. The whole passage

is instructive, but is too long to cite.

Bonitz gives some good explanations of these passages. Observationes

Criticæ in Aristotelis quæ feruntur _Magna Moralia_ et

_Eudemia_, pp. 55-57.]

[Side-note: The Good and Beautiful, considered as objects of

attachment.]

In regard to the Platonic Lysis, I have already observed that no

positive result can be found in it, and that all the hypotheses

broached are successively negatived. What is kept before the reader's

mind, however, more than anything else, though not embodied in any

distinct formula, is--The Good and the Beautiful considered as

objects of love or attachment.

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