CHAPTER XIX.

CHARMIDES.

As in Lachês, we have pursued an enquiry into the nature of Courage--so

in Charmidês, we find an examination of Temperance, Sobriety,

Moderation.[1] Both dialogues conclude without providing any tenable

explanation. In both there is an abundant introduction--in Charmidês,

there is even the bustle of a crowded palæstra, with much dramatic

incident--preluding to the substantive discussion. I omit the notice

of this dramatic incident, though it is highly interesting to read.

[Footnote 1: I translate [Greek: sôphrosu/nê] Temperance, though it

is very inadequate, but I know no single English word better

suited.]

[Side-note: Scene and personages of the dialogue. Crowded

palæstra. Emotions of Sokrates.]

The two persons with whom Sokrates here carries on the discussion,

are Charmides and Kritias; both of whom, as historical persons, were

active movers in the oligarchical government of the Thirty, with its

numerous enormities. In this dialogue, Charmides appears as a youth

just rising into manhood, strikingly beautiful both in face and

stature: Kritias his cousin is an accomplished literary man of mature

age. The powerful emotion which Sokrates describes himself as

experiencing,[2] from the sight and close neighbourhood of the

beautiful Charmides, is remarkable, as a manifestation of Hellenic

sentiment. The same exaltation of the feelings and imagination, which

is now produced only by beautiful women, was then excited chiefly by

fine youths. Charmides is described by Kritias as exhibiting

dispositions at once philosophical and poetical:[3] illustrating

the affinity of these two intellectual veins, as Plato conceived

them. He is also described as eminently temperate and modest:[4] from

whence the questions of Sokrates take their departure.

[Footnote 2: Plato, Charm. 154 C. Ficinus, in his Argumentum to this

dialogue (p. 767), considers it as mainly allegorical, especially the

warm expressions of erotic sentiment contained therein, which he

compares to the Song of Solomon. "Etsi omnia in hoc dialogo mirificam

habeant allegoriam, amatoria maxime, non aliter quam Cantica

Salomonis--mutavi tamen nonnihil--nonnihil etiam prætermisi. Quæ enim

consonabant castigatissimis auribus Atticorum, rudioribus fortè

auribus minimé consonarent."]

[Footnote 3: Plato, Charm. 155 A.]

[Footnote 4: Plato, Charm. 157 D. About the diffidence of Charmides

in his younger years, see Xen. Mem. iii. 7, 1.]

[Side-note: Question, What is Temperance? addressed by Sokrates

to the temperate Charmides. Answer, It is a kind of sedateness or

slowness.]

You are said to be temperate, Charmides (says Sokrates). If so, your

temperance will surely manifest itself within you in some way, so as

to enable you to form and deliver an opinion, What Temperance is.

Tell us in plain language what you conceive it to be. Temperance,

replies Charmides (after some hesitation),[5] consists in doing every

thing in an orderly and sedate manner, when we walk in the highway,

or talk, or perform other matters in the presence of others. It is,

in short, a kind of sedateness or slowness.

[Footnote 5: Plato, Charm. 159 B. [Greek: to\ kosmi/ôs pa/nta

pra/ttein kai\ ê(suchê=|, e)/n te tai=s o)doi=s badi/zein kai\

diale/gesthai . . . sullê/bdên ê(suchio/tês tis.]]

[Side-note: But Temperance is a fine or honourable thing, and

slowness is, in many or most cases, not fine or honourable, but the

contrary. Temperance cannot be slowness.]

Sokrates begins his cross-examination upon this answer, in the same

manner as he had begun it with Laches in respect to courage.

_Sokr._--Is not temperance a fine and honourable thing? Does it

not partake of the essence and come under the definition, of what is

fine or and honourable?[6] _Char._--Undoubtedly it does.

_Sokr._--But if we specify in detail our various operations,

either of body or mind--such as writing, reading, playing on the

harp, boxing, running, jumping, learning, teaching, recollecting,

comprehending, deliberating, determining, &c.--we shall find that

to do them quickly is more fine and honourable than to do them

slowly. Slowness does not, except by accident, belong to the fine and

honourable: therefore temperance, which does so belong to it, cannot

be a kind of slowness.[7]

[Footnote 6: Plato, Charm. 159 C--160 D. [Greek: ou) tô=n kalô=n

me/ntoi ê( sôphrosu/nê e)sti/n? . . . e)peidê\ _e)n tô=| lo/gô|_ tô=n

kalô=n ti ê(mi=n ê( sôphrosu/nê u(pete/thê.]]

[Footnote 7: Plato, Charm. 160 C.]

[Side-note: Second answer. Temperance is a variety of the

feeling of shame. Refuted by Sokrates.]

Charmides next declares Temperance to be a variety of the feeling of

shame or modesty. But this (observes Sokrates) will not hold more

than the former explanation: since Homer has pronounced shame not to

be good, for certain persons and under certain circumstances.[8]

[Footnote 8: Plato, Charm. 161 A.]

[Side-note: Third answer. Temperance consists in doing one's

own business. Defended by Kritias. Sokrates pronounces it a riddle,

and refutes it. Distinction between making and doing.]

"Temperance consists in doing one's own business." Here we have a

third explanation, proposed by Charmides and presently espoused by

Kritias. Sokrates professes not to understand it, and pronounces it

to be like a riddle.[9] Every tradesman or artisan does the business

of others as well as his own. Are we to say for that reason that he

is not temperate? I distinguish (says Kritias) between _making_

and _doing_: the artisan _makes_ for others, but he does

not _do_ for others, and often cannot be said to _do_ at

all. _To do_, implies honourable, profitable, good, occupation:

this alone is a man's own business, and this I call temperance. When

a man acts so as to harm himself, he does not do his own

business.[10] The doing of good things, is temperance.[11]

[Footnote 9: Plato, Charm. 161 C--162 B. [Greek: sôphrosu/nê--to\ ta\

au(tou= pra/ttein . . . ai)ni/gmati/ tini e)/oiken.]

There is here a good deal of playful vivacity in the dialogue:

Charmidês gives this last answer, which he has heard from Kritias,

who is at first not forward to defend it, until Charmides forces him

to come forward, by hints and side-insinuations. This is the dramatic

art and variety of Plato, charming to read, but not bearing upon him

as a philosopher.]

[Footnote 10: Plato, Charm. 163 C-D. [Greek: ta\ kalô=s kai\

ô)pheli/môs poiou/mena . . . oi)kei=a mo/na ta\ toiau=ta ê(gei=sthai,

ta\ de\ blabera\ pa/nta a)llo/tria . . . o(/ti ta\ oi)kei=a te kai\

ta\ au(tou= a)gatha\ kaloi/ês, kai\ ta\s tô=n a)gathô=n poiê/seis

pra/xeis.]]

[Footnote 11: Plato, Charm. 163 E. [Greek: tê\n tô=n a)gathô=n pra=xin

sôphrosu/nên ei)=nai saphô=s soi diori/zomai.]]

[Side-note: Fourth answer, by Kritias. Temperance consists in

self-knowledge.]

_Sokr._--Perhaps it is. But does the well-doer always and

certainly know that he is doing well? Does the temperate man know his

own temperance? _Krit._--He certainly must. Indeed I think that

the essence of temperance is, _Self-knowledge_. _Know

thyself_ is the precept of the Delphian God, who means thereby the

same as if he had said--Be temperate. I now put aside all that I have

said before, and take up this new position, That temperance consists

in a man's knowing himself. If you do not admit it, I challenge your

cross-examination.[12]

[Footnote 12: Plato, Charm. 164-165.]

[Side-note: Questions of Sokrates thereupon. What good does

self-knowledge procure for us? What is the object known, in this

case? Answer: There is no object of knowledge, distinct from the

knowledge itself.]

_Sokr._--I cannot tell you whether I admit it or not, until I

have investigated. You address me as if I professed to know the

subject: but it is because I do not know, that I examine, in

conjunction with you, each successive answer.[13] If temperance

consists in knowing, it must be a knowledge of something.

_Krit._--It is so: it is knowledge of a man's self.

_Sokr._--What good does this knowledge procure for us? as

medical knowledge procures for us health--architectural knowledge,

buildings, &c.? _Krit._--It has no object positive result of

analogous character: but neither have arithmetic nor geometry.

_Sokr._--True, but in arithmetic and geometry, we can at least

indicate a something known, distinct from the knowledge. Number and

proportion are distinct from arithmetic, the science which takes

cognizance of them. Now what is that, of which temperance is the

knowledge,--distinct from temperance itself? _Krit._--It is on

this very point that temperance differs from all the other

cognitions. Each of the others is knowledge of something different

from itself, but not knowledge of itself: while temperance is

knowledge of all the other sciences and of itself also.[14]

_Sokr._--If this be so, it will of course be a knowledge of

ignorance, as well as a knowledge of knowledge?

_Krit._--Certainly.

[Footnote 13: Plato, Charm. 165 C.]

[Footnote 14: Plato, Charm. 166 C. [Greek: ai( me\n a)/llai pa=sai

a)/llou ei)si\n e)pistê=mai, e(autô=n d' ou)/; ê( de\ mo/nê tô=n te

a)/llôn e)pistêmô=n e)pistê/mê e)sti\ kai\ au)tê\ e(autê=s.] So

also 166 E.]

[Side-note: Sokrates doubts the possibility of any knowledge,

without a given _cognitum_ as its object. Analogies to prove

that knowledge of knowledge is impossible.]

_Sokr._--According to your explanation, then, it is only the

temperate man who knows himself. He alone is able to examine himself,

and thus to find out what he really knows and does not know: he alone

is able to examine others, and thus to find out what each man knows,

or what each man only believes himself to know without really

knowing. Temperance, or self-knowledge, is the knowledge what a man

knows, and what he does not know.[15] Now two questions arise upon

this: First, is it possible for a man to know, that he knows what he

does know, and that he does not know what he does not know? Next,

granting it to be possible, in what way do we gain by it? The first

of these two questions involves much difficulty. How can there be any

cognition, which is not cognition of a given _cognitum_, but

cognition merely of other cognitions and non-cognitions? There is no

vision except of some colour, no audition except of some sound: there

can be no vision of visions, or audition of auditions. So

likewise, all desire is desire of some pleasure; there is no desire

of desires. All volition is volition of some good; there is no

volition of volitions: all love applies to something beautiful--there

is no love of other loves. The like is true of fear, opinion, &c.

It would be singular therefore, if contrary to all these analogies,

there were any cognition not of some _cognitum_, but of itself

and other cognitions.[16]

[Footnote 15: Plato, Charm. 167 A.]

[Footnote 16: Plato, Charm. 167-168.]

[Side-note: All knowledge must be relative to some object.]

It is of the essence of cognition to be cognition of something, and

to have its characteristic property with reference to some

correlate.[17] What is greater, has its property of being greater in

relation to something else, which is less--not in relation to itself.

It cannot be greater than itself, for then it would also be less than

itself. It cannot include in itself the characteristic property of

the _correlatum_ as well as that of the _relatum_. So too

about what is older, younger, heavier, lighter: there is always a

something distinct, to which reference is made. Vision does not

include in itself both the property of seeing, and that of being

seen: the _videns_ is distinct from the _visum_. A movement

implies something else to be moved: a heater something else to be

heated.

[Footnote 17: Plato, Charm. 168 B. [Greek: e)/sti me\n au(tê\ ê(

e)pistê/mê tino\s e)pistê/mê, kai\ e)/chei tina toiau/tên du/namin

ô(/ste tino\s ei)=nai.]]

[Side-note: All properties are relative--every thing in nature

has its characteristic property with reference to something else.]

In all these cases (concludes Sokrates) the characteristic property

is essentially relative, implying something distinguishable from, yet

correlating with, itself. May we generalise the proposition, and

affirm, That all properties are relative, and that every thing in

nature has its characteristic property with reference, not to itself,

but to something else? Or is this true only of some things and not of

all--so that cognition may be something in the latter category?

This is an embarrassing question, which I do not feel qualified to

decide: neither the general question, whether there be any cases of

characteristic properties having no reference to any thing beyond

themselves, and therefore not relative, but absolute--nor the

particular question, whether cognition be one of those cases,

implying no separate _cognitum_, but being itself both

_relatum_ and _correlatum_--cognition of cognition.[18]

[Footnote 18: Plato, Charm. 168-169. 169 A: [Greek: mega/lou dê/ tinos

a)ndro\s dei=, o(/stis tou=to kata\ pa/ntôn i(kanô=s diairê/setai,

po/teron ou)de\n tô=n o)/ntôn tê\n au(tou= du/namin au)to\ pro\s e(auto\

pe/phuken e)/chein, a)lla\ pro\s a)llo\--ê)\ ta\ me\n, ta\ d' ou)/;

kai\ ei) e)/stin au(= a(/tina au)ta\ pro\s e(auta\ e)/chei, a)=r' e)n

tou/tois e)sti\n e)pistê/mê, ê(\n dê\ ê(mei=s sôphrosu/nên phame\n

ei)=nai. e)gô\ me\n ou) pisteu/ô e)mautô=| i(kano\s ei)=nai tau=ta

diele/sthtai.]]

But even if cognition of cognition be possible, I shall not

admit it as an explanation of what temperance is, until I have

satisfied myself that it is beneficial. For I have a presentiment

that temperance must be something beneficial and good.[19]

[Footnote 19: Plato, Charm. 169 B. [Greek: ô)phelimo/n ti ka)gatho\n

manteu/omai ei)=nai.]]

[Side-note: Even if cognition of cognition were possible,

cognition of non-cognition would be impossible. A man may know what

he knows, but he cannot know what he is ignorant of. He knows the

fact _that_ he knows: but he does not know how much he knows,

and how much he does not know.]

Let us concede for the present discussion (continues Sokrates) that

cognition of cognition is possible. Still how does this prove that

there can be cognition of non-cognition? that a man can know both

what he knows and what he does not know? For this is what we declared

self-knowledge and temperance to be.[20] To have cognition of

cognition is one thing: to have cognition of non-cognition is a

different thing, not necessarily connected with it. If you have

cognition of cognition, you will be enabled to distinguish that which

is cognition from that which is not--but no more. Now the knowledge

or ignorance of the matter of health is known by medical science:

that of justice known by political science. The knowledge of

knowledge simply--cognition of cognition--is different from both. The

person who possesses this last only, without knowing either medicine

or politics, will become aware that he knows something and possesses

some sort of knowledge, and will be able to verify so much with

regard to others. But _what_ it is that he himself knows, or

that others know, he will not thereby be enabled to find out: he will

not distinguish whether that which is known belong to physiology or

to politics; to do this, special acquirements are needed. You, a

temperate man therefore, as such, do not know _what_ you know

and _what_ you do not know; you know the bare fact, _that_

you know and _that_ you do not know. You will not be competent

to cross-examine any one who professes to know medicine or any other

particular subject, so as to ascertain whether the man really

possesses what he pretends to possess. There will be no point in

common between you and him. You, as a temperate man, possess

cognition of cognition, but you do not know any special

_cognitum_: the special man knows his own special

_cognitum_ but is a stranger to cognition generally. You cannot

question him, nor criticise what he says or performs, in his own

specialty--for of that you are ignorant:--no one can do it except

some fellow _expert_. You can ascertain that he possesses some

knowledge: but whether he possesses that particular knowledge to

which he lays claim, or whether he falsely pretends to it, you cannot

ascertain:--since, as a temperate man, you know only cognition and

non-cognition generally. To ascertain this point, you must be not

only a temperate man, but a man of special cognition besides.[21] You

can question and test no one, except another temperate man like

yourself.

[Footnote 20: Plato, Charm. 169 D. [Greek: nu=n me\n tou=to

xugchôrê/sômen, dunato\n ei)=nai gene/sthai e)pistê/mên e)pistê/mês--i)/thi

dê\ ou)=n, ei) o(/, ti ma/lista dunato\n tou=to, ti/ ma=llon oi(=o/n

te/ e)stin ei)de/nai a(/ te/ tis oi)=de kai\ a(\ mê/? tou=to ga\r

dê/pou e)/phamen ei)=nai to\ gignô/skein au(to\n kai\ sôphronei=n.]]

[Footnote 21: Plato, Charm. 170-171. 171 C: [Greek: Panto\s a)/ra

ma=llon, ei) ê( sôphrosu/nê e)pistê/mês e)pisê/mê mo/non e)sti\ kai\

a)nepistêmosu/nês, ou)/te i)atro\n diakri=nai oi(/a te e)/stai

e)pista/menon ta\ tê=s te/chnês, ê)\ mê\ e)pista/menon prospoiou/menon

de\ ê)\ oi)o/menon, ou)/te a)//lon ou)de/na tô=n e)pistame/nôn

kai\ o(tiou=n, plê/n ge to\n au(tou= o(mo/technon, ô(/sper oi(

a)/lloi dêmiourgoi/.]]

[Side-note: Temperance, therefore, as thus defined, would be

of little or no value.]

But if this be all that temperance can do, of what use is it to us

(continues Sokrates)? It is indeed a great benefit to know how much

we know, and how much we do not know: it is also a great benefit to

know respecting others, how much _they_ know, and how much they

do not know. If thus instructed, we should make fewer mistakes: we

should do by ourselves only what we knew how to do,--we should commit

to others that which they knew how to do, and which we did not know.

But temperance (meaning thereby cognition of cognition and of

non-cognition generally) does not confer such instruction, nor have

we found any science which does.[22] How temperance benefits us, does

not yet appear.

[Footnote 22: Plato, Charm. 172 A. [Greek: o(ra=|s, o(/ti ou)damou=

e)pistê/mê ou)demi/a toiau/tê ou)=sa pe/phantai.]]

[Side-note: But even granting the possibility of that which

has just been denied, still Temperance would be of little value.

Suppose that all separate work were well performed, by special

practitioners, we should not attain our end--Happiness.]

But let us even concede--what has been just shown to be impossible--that

through temperance we become aware of what we do know and what

we do not know. Even upon this hypothesis, it will be of little

service to us. We have been too hasty in conceding that it would be a

great benefit if each of us did only what he knew, committing to

others to do only what they knew. I have an awkward suspicion

(continues Sokrates) that after all, this would be no great

benefit.[23] It is true that upon this hypothesis, all operations in

society would be conducted scientifically and skilfully. We should

have none but competent pilots, physicians, generals, &c., acting

for us, each of them doing the work for which he was fit. The

supervision exercised by temperance (in the sense above defined)

would guard us against all pretenders. Let us even admit that as to

prediction of the future, we should have none but competent and

genuine prophets to advise us; charlatans being kept aloof by this

same supervision. We should thus have every thing done scientifically

and in a workmanlike manner. But should we for that reason do well

and be happy? Can that be made out, Kritias?[24]

[Footnote 23: Plato, Charm. 172-173.]

[Footnote 24: Plato, Charm. 173 C-D. [Greek: kateskeuasme/non dê\

ou(/tô to\ a)nthrô/pinon ge/nos o(/ti me\n e)pistêmo/nôs a)\n pra/ttoi

kai\ zô=|ê, e(/pomai--o(/ti d' e)pistêmo/nôs a)\n pra/ttontes eu)= a)\n

pra/ttoimen kai\ eu)daimonoi=men, tou=to de\ ou(/pô duna/metha

mathei=n, ô)= phi/le Kriti/a.]]

[Side-note: Which of the varieties of knowledge contributes

most to well-doing or happiness? That by which we know good and

evil.]

_Krit._--You will hardly find the end of well-doing anywhere

else, if you deny that it follows on doing scientifically or

according to knowledge.[25] _Sokr._--But according to knowledge,

of _what_? Of leather-cutting, brazen work, wool, wood, &c.?

_ Krit._--No, none of these. _Sokr._--Well then, you see,

we do not follow out consistently your doctrine--That the happy man

is he who lives scientifically, or according to knowledge. For all

these men live according to knowledge, and still you do not admit

them to be happy. Your definition of happiness applies only to some

portion of those who live according to knowledge, but not to all. How

are we to distinguish which of them? Suppose a man to know every

thing past, present, and future; which among the fractions of such

omniscience would contribute most to make him happy? Would they all

contribute equally? _Krit._--By no means. _Sokr._--Which of

them then would contribute most? Would it be that by which he knew

the art of gaming? _Krit._--Certainly not. _Sokr._--Or that

by which he knew the art of computing? _Krit._--No.

_Sokr._--Or that by which he knew the conditions of health?

_Krit._--That will suit better. _Sokr._--But which of them

most of all? _Krit._--That by which he knew good and evil.[26]

[Footnote 25: Plato, Charm. 173 D. [Greek: A)lla\ me/ntoi, ê)= d' o(/s,

ou) r(a|di/ôs eu(rê/seis a)/llo ti te/los tou= eu)= pra/ttein

e)a\n to\ e)pistêmo/nôs a)tima/sês.]]

[Footnote 26: Plato, Charm. 174.]

[Side-note: Without the science of good and evil, the other

special science will be of little or of no service. Temperance is not

the science of good and evil, and is of little service.]

_Sokr._--Here then, you have been long dragging me round in a

circle, keeping back the fact, that well-doing and happiness does not

arise from living according to science generally, not of all other

matters taken together--but from living according to the science of

this one single matter, good and evil. If you exclude this last, and

leave only the other sciences, each of these others will work as

before: the medical man will heal, the weaver will prepare clothes,

the pilot will navigate his vessel, the general will conduct his

army--each of them scientifically. Nevertheless, that each of these

things shall conduce to our well-being and profit, will be an

impossibility, if the science of good and evil be wanting.[27] Now

this science of good and evil, the special purpose of which is to

benefit us,[28] is altogether different from temperance; which you

have defined as the science of cognition and non-cognition, and which

appears not to benefit us at all. _Krit._--Surely it does

benefit us: for it presides over and regulates all the other

sciences, and of course regulates this very science, of good and

evil, among the rest. _Sokr._--In what way can it benefit us? It

does not procure for us any special service, such as good health:

_that_ is the province of medicine: in like manner, each

separate result arises from its own producing art. To confer benefit

is, as we have just laid down, the special province of the science of

good and evil.[29] Temperance, as the science of cognition and

non-cognition, cannot work any benefit at all.

[Footnote 27: Plato, Charm. 174 C-D. [Greek: e)pei\ ei) the/leis

e)xelei=n tau/tên tê\n e)pistê/mên] (of good and evil) [Greek: e)k

tô=n a)/llôn e)pistêmô=n, ê(=tto/n ti ê( me\n i)atrikê\ u(giai/nein

poiê/sei, ê( de\ skutikê\ u(podede/sthai, ê( de\ u(phantikê\

ê(mphie/sthai, ê( de\ kubbernêtikê\ kôlu/sei e)n tê=| thala/ttê|

a)pothnê/skein kai\ ê( stratêgikê\ e)n pole/mô|? Ou)de\n ê(=tton, e)/phê.

A)lla\ to\ eu)= te tou/tôn e(/kasta gi/gnesthai kai\ ô)pheli/môs

a)poleloipo\s ê(ma=s e)/stai tau/tês a)pou/sês.]]

[Footnote 28: Plato, Charm. 174 D. [Greek: ê(=s e)/rgon e)sti\ to\

ô)phelei=n ê(ma=s], &c.]

[Footnote 29: Plato, Charm. 175 A. [Greek: Ou)k a)/ra u(giei/as e)/stai

dêmiourgo/s (ê( sôphrosu/nê). Ou) dê=ta. A)/llês ga\r ê)=n te/chnês

u(giei/a, ê)\ ou)/? A)/llês. Ou)d' a)/ra ô)phelei/as, ô)= e(/taire;

a)/llê| ga\r au)= a)pe/domen tou=to to\ e)/rgon te/chnê| nu=n dê/;

ê)= ga/r? Pa/nu ge. Pô=s ou)=n ô)phe/limos e)/stai ê( sôphrosu/nê,

ou)demia=s ô)phelei/as ou)=sa dêmiourgo/s? Ou)damô=s, ô)= Sô/krates,

e)/oike/ ge.]]

[Side-note: Sokrates confesses to entire failure in his

research. He cannot find out what temperance is: although several

concessions have been made which cannot be justified.]

Thus then, concludes Sokrates, we are baffled in every way: we

cannot find out what temperance is, nor what that name has been

intended to designate. All our tentatives have failed; although, in

our anxiety to secure some result, we have accepted more than one

inadmissible hypothesis. Thus we have admitted that there might exist

cognition of cognition, though our discussion tended to negative such

a possibility. We have farther granted, that this cognition of

cognition, or science of science, might know all the operations of

each separate and special science: so that the temperate man

(_i.e._ he who possesses cognition of cognition) might know both

what he knows and what he does not know: might know, namely, that he

knows the former and that he does not know the latter. We have

granted this, though it is really an absurdity to say, that what a

man does not know at all, he nevertheless does know after a certain

fashion.[30] Yet after these multiplied concessions against strict

truth, we have still been unable to establish our definition of

temperance: for temperance as we defined it has, after all, turned

out to be thoroughly unprofitable.

[Footnote 30: Plato, Charm. 175 B. [Greek: kai\ ga\r e)pistê/mên

e)pistê/mês ei)=nai xunechôrê/samen, ou)k e)ô=ntos tou= lo/gou ou)de\

pha/skontos ei)=nai; kai\ tau/tê| au)= tê=| e)pistê/mê| kai\ ta\ tô=n

a)/llôn e)pistêmô=n e)/rga gignô/skein xunechôrê/samen, ou)de\ tou=t'

e)ô=ntos tou= lo/gou, i(/na dê\ ê(mi=n ge/noito o( sô/phrôn

e)pistê/môn ô(=n te oi)=den, o(/ti oi)=de, kai\ ô(=n mê\ oi)=den, o(/ti

ou)k oi)=de. tou=to me\n dê\ kai\ panta/pasi megaloprepô=s

xunechôrê/samen, ou)d' e)piskepsa/menoi to\ a)du/naton ei)=nai

a(/ tis mê\ oi)=de mêdamô=s, tau=ta ei)de/nai a(mô=s ge/ pôs; o(/ti

ga\r ou)k oi)=de, phêsi\n au)ta\ ei)de/nai ê( ê(mete/ra o(mologi/a.

kai/toi, ô(s e)gô=mai, ou)deno\s o(/tou ou)chi\ a)logô/teron tou=t'

a)\n phanei/ê.] This would not appear an absurdity to Aristotle.

See Analyt. Priora, ii. p. 67, a. 21; Anal. Post. i. 71, a. 28.]

[Side-note: Temperance is and must be a good thing: but

Charmides cannot tell whether he is temperate or not; since what

temperance is remains unknown.]

It is plain that we have taken the wrong road, and that I (Sokrates)

do not know how to conduct the enquiry. For temperance, whatever it

may consist in, must assuredly be a great benefit: and you,

Charmides, are happy if you possess it. How can I tell (rejoins

Charmides) whether I possess it or not: since even men like you and

Kritias cannot discover what it is?[31]

[Footnote 31: Plato, Charm. 176 A.]

* * * * *

[Side-note: Expressions both from Charmides and Kritias of

praise and devotion to Sokrates, at the close of the dialogue.

Dramatic ornament throughout.]

Here ends the dialogue called Charmidês[32] after the interchange of

a few concluding compliments, forming part of the great dramatic

richness which characterises this dialogue from the beginning. I make

no attempt to reproduce this latter attribute; though it is one of

the peculiar merits of Plato in reference to ethical enquiry,

imparting to the subject a charm which does not naturally belong to

it. I confine myself to the philosophical bearing of the dialogue.

According to the express declaration of Sokrates, it ends in nothing

but disappointment. No positive result is attained. The problem--What

is Temperance?--remains unsolved, after four or five different

solutions have been successively tested and repudiated.

[Footnote 32: See Appendix at end of chapter.]

[Side-note: The Charmides is an excellent specimen of

Dialogues of Search. Abundance of guesses and tentatives, all

ultimately disallowed.]

The Charmidês (like the Lachês) is a good illustrative specimen of

those Dialogues of Search, the general character and purpose of which

I have explained in my eighth** chapter. It proves nothing: it

disproves several hypotheses: but it exhibits (and therein consists

its value) the anticipating, guessing, tentative, and eliminating

process, without which no defensible conclusions can be

obtained--without which, even if such be found, no advocate can be

formed capable of defending them against an acute cross-examiner. In most

cases, this tentative process is forgotten or ignored: even when

recognised as a reality, it is set aside with indifference, often

with ridicule. A writer who believes himself to have solved any

problem, publishes his solution together with the proofs; and

acquires deserved credit for it, if those proofs give satisfaction.

But he does not care to preserve, nor do the public care to know, the

steps by which such solution has been reached. Nevertheless in most

cases, and in all cases involving much difficulty, there has been a

process, more or less tedious, of tentative and groping--of guesses

at first hailed as promising, then followed out to a certain extent,

lastly discovered to be untenable. The history of science,[33]

astronomical, physical, chemical, physiological, &c.,

wherever it has been at all recorded, attests this constant

antecedence of a period of ignorance, confusion, and dispute, even in

cases where ultimately a solution has been found commanding the

nearly unanimous adhesion of the scientific world. But on subjects

connected with man and society, this period of dispute and confusion

continues to the present moment. No unanimity has ever been

approached, among nations at once active in intellect and enjoying

tolerable liberty of dissent. Moreover--apart from the condition of

different sciences among mature men--we must remember that the

transitive process, above described, represents the successive stages

by which every adult mind has been gradually built up from infancy.

Trial and error--alternate guess and rejection, generation and

destruction of sentiments and beliefs--is among the most widespread

facts of human intelligence.[34] Even those ordinary minds, which in

mature life harden with the most exemplary fidelity into the locally

prevalent type of orthodoxy,--have all in their earlier years gone

through that semi-fluid and indeterminate period, in which the type

to come is yet a matter of doubt--in which the head might have been

permanently lengthened or permanently flattened, according to the

direction in which pressure was applied.

[Footnote 33: It is not often that historians of science take much

pains to preserve and bring together the mistaken guesses and

tentatives which have preceded great physical discoveries. One

instance in which this has been ably and carefully done is in the

'Biography of Cavendish,' the chemist and natural philosopher, by Dr.

Geo. Wilson.

The great chemical discovery of the composition of water,

accomplished during the last quarter of the eighteenth century, has

been claimed as the privilege of three eminent scientific

men--Cavendish, Watt, and Lavoisier. The controversy on the subject,

voluminous and bitter, has been the means of recording each

successive scientific phase and point of view. It will be found

admirably expounded in this biography. Wilson sets forth the

misconceptions, confusion of ideas, approximations to truth seen but

not followed out, &c., which prevailed upon the scientific men of

that day, especially under the misleading influence of the

"phlogiston theory," then universally received.

To Plato such a period of mental confusion would have been in itself

an interesting object for contemplation and description. He might

have dramatised it under the names of various disputants, with the

cross-examining Elenchus, personified in Sokrates, introduced to stir

up the debate, either by first advocating, then refuting, a string of

successive guesses and dreams (Charmidês, 173 A) of his own, or by

exposing similar suggestions emanating from others; especially in

regard to the definition of _phlogiston_, an entity which then

overspread and darkened all chemical speculation, but which every

theorist thought himself obliged to define. The dialogues would have

ended (as the Protagoras, Lysis, Charmidês, &c., now end) by

Sokrates deriding the ill success which had attended them in the

search for an explanation, and by his pointing out that while all the

theorists talked familiarly about _phlogiston_ as a powerful

agent, none of them could agree what it was.

See Dr. Wilson's 'Biography of Cavendish,' pp. 36-198-320-325, and

elsewhere.]

[Footnote 34: It is strikingly described by Plato in one of the most

remarkable passages of the speech of Diotima in the Symposion, pp.

207-208.]

[Side-note: Trial and Error, the natural process of the human

mind. Plato stands alone in bringing to view and dramatising this

part of the mental process. Sokrates accepts for himself the

condition of conscious ignorance.]

We shall follow Plato towards the close of his career (Treatise De

Legibus), into an imperative and stationary orthodoxy of his

own: but in the dialogues which I have already reviewed, as well as

in several others which I shall presently notice, no mention is made

of any given affirmative doctrine as indispensable to arrive at

ultimately. Plato here concentrates his attention upon the

indeterminate period of the mind: looking upon the mind not as an

empty vessel, requiring to be filled by ready-made matter from

without--nor as a blank sheet, awaiting a foreign hand to write

characters upon it--but as an assemblage of latent capacities, which

must be called into action by stimulus and example, but which can

only attain improvement through multiplied trials and multiplied

failures. Whereas in most cases these failures are forgotten, the

peculiarity of Plato consists in his bringing them to view with full

detail, explaining the reasons of each. He illustrates abundantly,

and dramatises with the greatest vivacity, the intellectual process

whereby opinions are broached, at first adopted, then mistrusted,

unmade, and re-made--or perhaps not re-made at all, but exchanged for

a state of conscious ignorance. The great hero and operator in this

process is the Platonic Sokrates, who accepts for himself this

condition of conscious ignorance, and even makes it a matter of

comparative pride, that he stands nearly alone in such

confession.[35] His colloquial influence, working powerfully and

almost preternaturally,[36] not only serves both to spur and to

direct the activity of hearers still youthful and undecided, but also

exposes those who have already made up their minds and confidently

believe themselves to know. Sokrates brings back these latter from

the false persuasion of knowledge to the state of conscious

ignorance, and to the prior indeterminate condition of mind, in which

their opinions have again to be put together by the tentative and

guessing process. This tentative process, prosecuted under the drill

of Sokrates, is in itself full of charm and interest for Plato,

whether it ends by finding a good solution or only by discarding a

bad one.

[Footnote 35: Plato, Apolog. Sokr. pp. 21-22-23.]

[Footnote 36: Plato, Symposion, 213 E, 215-216; Menon, 80 A-B.]

[Side-note: Familiar words--constantly used, with much earnest

feeling, but never understood nor defined--ordinary phenomenon in

human society.]

The Charmidês is one of the many Platonic dialogues wherein such

intellectual experimentation appears depicted without any positive

result: except as it adds fresh matter to illustrate that wide-spread

mental fact,--(which has already come before the reader, in

Euthyphron, Alkibiadês, Hippias, Erastæ, Lachês, &c., as to

holiness, beauty, philosophy, courage, &c., and is now brought to

view in the case of _temperance_ also; all of them words in

every one's mouth, and tacitly assumed by every one as known

quantities) the perpetual and confident judgments which mankind are

in the habit of delivering--their apportionment of praise and blame,

as well as of reward and punishment consequent on praise and

blame--without any better basis than that of strong emotion imbibed

they know not how, and without being able to render any rational

explanation even of the familiar words round which such emotions are

grouped. No philosopher has done so much as Plato to depict in detail

this important fact--the habitual condition of human society, modern

as well as ancient, and for that very reason generally unnoticed.[37]

The emotional or subjective value of temperance is all that Sokrates

determines, and which indeed he makes his point of departure.

Temperance is essentially among the fine, beautiful, honourable,

things:[38] but its rational or objective value (_i.e._, what is

the common object characterising all temperate acts or persons), he

cannot determine. Here indeed Plato is not always consistent with

himself: for we shall come to other dialogues wherein he professes

himself incompetent to say whether a thing be beautiful or not, until

it be determined what the thing is:[39] and we have already found

Sokrates declaring (in the Hippias Major), that we cannot

determine whether any particular object is beautiful or not, until we

have first determined, What is Beauty in the Absolute, or the

Self-Beautiful? a problem nowhere solved by Plato.

[Footnote 37: "Whoever has reflected on the generation of ideas in

his own mind, or has investigated the causes of misunderstandings

among mankind, will be obliged to proclaim as a fact deeply seated in

human nature--That most of the misunderstandings and contradictions

among men, most of the controversies and errors both in science and

in society, arise usually from our assuming (consciously or

unconsciously) fundamental maxims and fundamental facts as if they

were self-evident, and as if they must be assumed by every one else

besides. Accordingly we never think of closely examining them, until

at length experience has taught us that these _self-evident_

matters are exactly what stand most in need of proof, and what form

the special root of divergent opinions."--(L. O. Bröcker--Untersuchungen

über die Glaubwürdigkeit der alt-Römischen Geschichte, p. 490.)]

[Footnote 38: Plato, Charm. 159 B, 160 D. [Greek: ê( sôphrosu/nê--tô=n

kalô=n ti--e)n tô=| lo/gô=| tô=n kalô=n ti]. So also Sokrates

in the Lachês (192 C), assumes that courage is [Greek: tô=n pa/nu kalô=n

pragma/tôn], though he professes not to know nor to be able to discover

what courage is.]

[Footnote 39: See Gorgias, 462 B, 448 E; Menon, 70 B.]

[Side-note: Different ethical points of view in different

Platonic dialogues.]

Among the various unsuccessful definitions of temperance propounded,

there is more than one which affords farther example to show how

differently Plato deals with the same subject in different dialogues.

Here we have the phrase--"to do one's own business"--treated as an

unmeaning puzzle, and exhibited as if it were analogous to various

other phrases, with which the analogy is more verbal than real. But

in the Republic, Plato admits this phrase as well understood, and

sets it forth as the constituent element of justice; in the Gorgias,

as the leading mark of philosophical life.[40]

[Footnote 40: Plato, Republ. iv. 433, vi. 496 C, viii. 550 A;

Gorgias, 526 C. Compare also Timæus, 72 A, Xen, Mem. ii. 9, 1.]

[Side-note: Self-knowledge is here declared to be impossible.]

Again, another definition given by Kritias is, That temperance

consists in knowing yourself, or in self-knowledge. In commenting

upon this definition, Sokrates makes out--first, that self-knowledge

is impossible: next, that if possible, it would be useless. You

cannot know yourself, he argues: you cannot know what you know, and

what you do not know: to say that you know what you know, is either

tautological or untrue--to say that you know what you do not know, is

a contradiction. All cognition must be cognition of something

distinct from yourself: it is a relative term which must have some

correlate, and cannot be its own correlate: you cannot have cognition

of cognition, still less cognition of non-cognition.

[Side-note: In other dialogues, Sokrates declares

self-knowledge to be essential and inestimable. Necessity for

the student to have presented to him dissentient points of view.]

This is an important point of view, which I shall discuss more at

length when I come to the Platonic Theætetus. I bring it to view here

only as contrasting with different language held by the Platonic

Sokrates in other dialogues; where he insists on the great value and

indispensable necessity of self-knowledge, as a preliminary to all

other knowledge--upon the duty of eradicating from men's minds that

false persuasion of their own knowledge which they universally

cherished--and upon the importance of forcing them to know their

own ignorance as well as their own knowledge. In the face of this

last purpose, so frequently avowed by the Platonic Sokrates

(indirectly even in this very dialogue),[41] we remark a material

discrepancy, when he here proclaims self-knowledge to be impossible.

We must judge every dialogue by itself, illustrating it when

practicable by comparison with others, but not assuming consistence

between them as a postulate _à priori_. It is a part of Plato's

dramatic and tentative mode of philosophising to work out different

ethical points of view, and to have present to his mind one or other

of them, with peculiar force in each different dialogue. The subject

is thus brought before us on all its sides, and the reader is

familiarised with what a dialectician might say, whether capable of

being refuted or not. Inconsistency between one dialogue and another

is not a fault in the Platonic dialogues of Search; but is, on the

contrary, a part of the training process, for any student who is

destined to acquire that full mastery of question and answer which

Plato regards as the characteristic test of knowledge. It is a puzzle

and provocative to the internal meditation of the student.

[Footnote 41: Plato, Charm. 166 D.]

[Side-note: Courage and Temperance are shown to have no

distinct meaning, except as founded on the general cognizance of good

and evil.]

In analyzing the Lachês, we observed that the definition of courage

given by Nikias was shown by Sokrates to have no meaning, except in

so far as it coincided with the general knowledge or cognition of

good and evil. Here, too, in the Charmidês, we are brought in the

last result to the same terminus--the general cognition of good and

evil. But Temperance, as previously good and defined, is not

comprehended under that cognition, and is therefore pronounced to be

unprofitable.

[Side-note: Distinction made between the special sciences and

the science of Good and Evil. Without this last, the special sciences

are of no use.]

This cognition of good and evil--the science of the profitable--is

here (in the Charmidês) proclaimed by Sokrates to have a place of its

own among the other sciences; and even to be first among them,

essentially necessary to supervise and direct them, as it had been

declared in Alkibiadês II. Now the same supervising place and

directorship had been claimed by Kritias for Temperance as he

defines it--that is, self-knowledge, or the cognition of our

cognitions and non-cognitions. But Sokrates doubts even the reality

of such self-knowledge: and granting for argument's sake that it

exists, he still does not see how it can be profitable. For the

utmost which its supervision can ensure would be, that each

description of work shall be scientifically done, by the skilful man,

and not by the unskilful. But it is not true, absolutely speaking (he

argues), that acting scientifically or with knowledge is sufficient

for well doing or for happiness: for the question must next be

asked--Knowledge--of what? Not knowledge of leather-cutting, carpenter's

or brazier's work, arithmetic, or even medicine: these, and many others,

a man may possess, and may act according to them; but still he will

not attain the end of being happy. All cognitions contribute in

greater or less proportion towards that end: but what contributes

most, and most essentially, is the cognition of good and evil,

without which all the rest are insufficient. Of this last-mentioned

cognition or science, it is the special object to ensure profit or

benefit:[42] to take care that everything done by the other sciences

shall be done well or in a manner conducing towards the end

Happiness. After this, there is no province left for

temperance--_i.e._, self-knowledge, or the knowledge of cognitions and

non-cognitions: no assignable way in which it can yield any benefit.[43]

[Footnote 42: Plato, Charm. 174 D. [Greek: Ou)ch au(/tê| de/ ge, ô(s

e)/oiken, e)sti\n ê( sôphrosu/nê, a)ll' ê(=s e)/rgon e)sti\ to\

ô)phelei=n ê(ma=s. Ou) ga\r e)pistêmô=n ge kai\ a)nepistêmosunô=n

ê( e)pistê/mê e)sti/n, a)lla\ a)gathou= te kai\ kakou=.]]

[Footnote 43: Plato, Charm. 174 E. [Greek: Ou)k a)/ra u(giei/as e)/stai

dêmiourgo/s? Ou) dê=ta. A)/llês ga\r ê)=n te/chnês u(gi/eia? ê)\ ou)/?

A)/llês; Ou)d' a)/ra ô)phelei/as, ô)= e(tai=re; a)/llê| ga\r au)=

a)pe/domen tou=to to\ e)/rgon te/chnê| nu=n dê/; ê)= ga\r? Pa/nu ge.

Pô=s ou)=n ô)phe/limos e)/stai ê(sôphrosu/nê, ou)demia=s ô)phelei/as

ou)=sa dêmiourgo/s? Ou)damô=s, ô)= Sô/krates, e)/oike/ ge.]]

[Side-note: Knowledge, always relative to some object known.

Postulate or divination of a Science of Teleology.]

Two points are here to be noted, as contained and debated in the

handling of this dialogue. 1. Knowledge absolutely, is a word without

meaning: all knowledge is relative, and has a definite object or

_cognitum_: there can be no _scientia scientiarum_. 2.

Among the various objects of knowledge (_cognita_ or

_cognoscenda_), one is, _good and evil_. There is a science

of good and evil, the function of which is, to watch over and compare

the results of the other sciences, in order to promote results of

happiness, and to prevent results of misery: without the supervision

of this latter science, the other sciences might be all exactly

followed out, but no rational comparison could be had between

them.[44] In other words, there is a science of Ends, estimating the

comparative worth of each End in relation to other Ends (Teleology):

distinct from those other more special sciences, which study the

means each towards a separate End of its own. Here we fall into the

same track as we have already indicated in Lachês and Alkibiadês II.

[Footnote 44: Compare what has been said upon the same subject in my

remarks on Alkib. i. and ii. p. 31.**]

[Side-note: Courage and Temperance, handled both by Plato and

by Aristotle. Comparison between the two.]

These matters I shall revert to in other dialogues, where we shall

find them turned over and canvassed in many different ways. One

farther observation remains to be made on the Lachês and Charmidês,

discussing as they do Courage (which is also again discussed in the

Protagoras) and Temperance. An interesting comparison may be made

between them and the third book of the Nikomachean Ethics of

Aristotle,[45] where the same two subjects are handled in the

Aristotelian manner. The direct, didactic, systematising, brevity of

Aristotle contrasts remarkably with the indirect and circuitous

prolixity, the multiplied suggestive comparisons, the shifting points

of view, which we find in Plato. Each has its advantages: and both

together will be found not more than sufficient, for any one who is

seriously bent on acquiring what Plato calls knowledge, with the

cross-examining power included in it. Aristotle is greatly superior

to Plato in one important attribute of a philosopher: in the care

which he takes to discriminate the different significations of the

same word: the univocal and the equivocal, the generically identical

from the remotely analogical, the proper from the improper, the

literal from the metaphorical. Of such precautions we discover little

or no trace in Plato, who sometimes seems not merely to neglect, but

even to deride them. Yet Aristotle, assisted as he was by all Plato's

speculations before us, is not to be understood as having superseded

the necessity for that negative Elenchus which animates the Platonic

dialogues of Search: nor would his affirmative doctrines have held

their grounds before a cross-examining Sokrates.

[Footnote 45: Aristot. Ethic. Nikom. iii. p. 1115, 1119; also Ethic.

Eudem. iii. 1229-1231.

The comments of Aristotle upon the doctrine of Sokrates respecting

Courage seem to relate rather to the Protagoras than to the Lachês of

Plato. See Eth. Nik. 1116, 6, 4; Eth. Eud. 1229, a. 15.]

APPENDIX.

The dialogue Charmidês is declared to be spurious, not only by Ast,

but also by Socher (Ast, Platon's Leb. pp. 419-428; Socher, Ueber

Platon, pp. 130-137). Steinhart maintains the genuineness of the

dialogue against them; declaring (as in regard to the Lachês) that he

can hardly conceive how critics can mistake the truly Platonic

character of it, though here too, as in the Lachês, he detects

"adolescentiæ vestigia" (Steinhart, Einleit. zum Charmidês,

pp. 290-293).

Schleiermacher considers Charmidês as well as Lachês to be appendixes

to the Protagoras, which opinion both Stallbaum (Proleg. ad Charm, p.

121; Proleg. ad Lachet. p. 30, 2nd ed.) and Steinhart controvert.

The views of Stallbaum respecting the Charmidês are declared by

Steinhart (p. 290) to be "recht äusserlich und oberflächlich". To me

they appear much nearer the truth than the profound and recondite

meanings, the far-sighted indirect hints, which Steinhart himself

perceives or supposes in the words of Plato.

These critics consider the dialogue as composed during the government

of the Thirty at Athens, in which opinion I do not concur.

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