Mr. COLEMAN. Did----

Mr. DULLES. May I ask one question about Exhibit No. 912?

In the second paragraph of this letter, Exhibit No. 912, Oswald says,

"I appered [sic] in person at the consulate office of the United States

Embassy, Moscow, on Oct. 31st, for the purpose of signing the formal

papers to this effect. This legal right I was refused at that time."

Do you know how he learned about his legal rights? Did you tell him his

legal rights in your conversation with him? Or where did he get the

information about his legal rights, if you know about that?

Mr. SNYDER. Well, to the best of my knowledge, Mr. Dulles, I did

discuss with Oswald both the significance of his act and the legal

basis of it, and so forth. And I believe that in the letter which I

wrote to him----

Mr. DULLES. Which was subsequent to Exhibit No. 912, was it not, in

answer to 912?

Mr. SNYDER. In answer to Exhibit No. 912--in the letter which I wrote,

replying to this, I purposely used the word, I think, "again", or words

to that effect, and I put that word in there at the time, indicating

that he had been told this before, and that I was repeating it to him.

Mr. COLEMAN. You are talking about Commission Exhibit No. 919, the

third paragraph, is that correct, where you use the word "again"?

Mr. SNYDER. Yes; that is correct.

In other words, at the time Oswald was there, the reason which I gave

him for not taking his renunciation at the time was not that he was

not legally entitled to have it, but that the office was closed at the

time. In matter of fact, I don't think I had a secretary there to type

out the form and so forth. But this is really quite beside the point.

But the reason which I gave him was not that I had any legal right to

refuse him--that is, it wasn't based on a provision of law, as it was

based on simply the fact that the Embassy was closed at the time.

Mr. COLEMAN. You will recall in Commission Exhibit No. 913, which was

the first letter that Oswald gave you, that the last paragraph states,

"I affirm that my allegiance is to the Union of Soviet Socialist

Republics," and once again I take it that you didn't think that that

was the type of oath or affirmation which is set forth in section

349(a) (2)?

Mr. SNYDER. Yes, sir; that is right.

Mr. SLAWSON. Mr. Snyder, in reference to the same document, Commission

Exhibit No. 913, do you think that Mr. Oswald, when he appeared before

you and gave this to you, believed in his mind that this was sufficient

to renounce his citizenship?

The CHAIRMAN. How could he tell what was in his mind?

Mr. SNYDER. I really don't know.

Mr. SLAWSON. Do you believe that if you had given Mr. Oswald the

opportunity to carry through with the procedures, that he would have

renounced his citizenship at that first appearance?

Mr. SNYDER. Yes; I have every reason to believe he would have.

Mr. COLEMAN. Sir, I also would like to show you a copy of a passport

issued by the United States, which has been marked as Commission

Exhibit No. 946, and ask you whether that is the passport that Mr.

Oswald gave to you when he came into the Embassy on October 31, 1959.

Mr. DULLES. May I ask a preliminary question about Exhibit No. 913?

This is undated. Do we know the date of the receipt of this by the

Embassy?

Mr. COLEMAN. Yes, Mr. Dulles; the testimony is that when Mr. Oswald

came into the Embassy, sir, he handed this document to Mr. Snyder.

Mr. DULLES. That is the first time he came in, he handed this document

to you?

Mr. SNYDER. Yes, sir.

This is undoubtedly his passport; yes, sir.

Mr. COLEMAN. After you received Commission Exhibit No. 919, which is

the second letter from Oswald, the letter dated November 3, 1959, you

then prepared and sent to the Secretary of State in Washington an

airgram which the Commission has had marked as Commission Exhibit No.

920.

(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 920 for

identification.)

Mr. COLEMAN. I show you the document and ask you whether you prepared

the original thereof and sent it to the State Department?

Mr. SNYDER. Yes, sir.

Representative FORD. May I ask a question here?

When Oswald first came in, and either placed his passport on the desk

or the table, or you asked for it, did you note that he had overstayed

his visa by 5 days?

Mr. SNYDER. I can't recall that I did or did not, Mr. Ford.

Representative FORD. Is that something that you would normally examine

and determine under circumstances like this?

Mr. SNYDER. Oh, I might if there were some reason to look at it--if it

were particularly relevant to something I was thinking at the time or

asking about at the time.

In terms of Soviet practice, it is not really too relevant. That is,

if the Soviet authorities find it to their interest to keep a person

around, then there is no problem. And if they do not, one does not

overstay one's visa in the Soviet Union.

Representative FORD. But if it is, for some Soviet reason, a good

reason to keep somebody around beyond the time of their visa, wouldn't

that be of some interest to us--I mean to the United States officials?

Mr. SNYDER. Oh, yes; but, of course, that assumption was already

strongly made in the Oswald case by other circumstances in this case.

There was no question in my mind that Mr. Oswald was there in Moscow

for the purposes for which he stated he was in Moscow, and that this

was known to the Soviet authorities, for he said he had applied for

Soviet citizenship.

Representative FORD. Is it the usual thing for them to let an

individual stay beyond their visa termination date?

Mr. SNYDER. Well, I would say it is not usual. Again, one can never

cite a list of specific instances in these things, but I think that

when you are working as a consul in Moscow for a couple of years, you

have a considerable feel for these things, and that I would say it is

not usual--people simply do not overstay their visas in the Soviet

Union without the knowledge, by and large, of the Soviet authorities.

And this is because of the nature of the passport registration system

at your hotel, and all of this sort of thing. It simply is not normally

done by oversight or by lapse either on the part of the individual or

on the part of the Soviet State.

Representative FORD. When he presented the passport, or when you were

given the passport by him, did you examine it?

Mr. SNYDER. I undoubtedly examined it.

Representative FORD. Where in the passport would this fact be noted

that he had overstayed his visa by 5 days?

(At this point, Senator Cooper entered the hearing room.)

Mr. SNYDER. It may either be on the original visa or on the police

stamp placed in his passport at the time. This is to the best of my

recollection.

Mr. COLEMAN. Congressman Ford, as I understand it, one of the stamps in

the passport, which would be in Russian, indicates the visa that he got

in Helsinki, and also indicates the length of time he was permitted to

stay.

Representative FORD. So it is clearly a Soviet document in the passport?

Mr. COLEMAN. Yes.

Mr. SNYDER. I could probably find these for you, if you would like.

Representative FORD. When Oswald came in, did you notice anything

peculiar about his physical appearance--any bruises, any injuries of

any kind?

Mr. SNYDER. No, no; as I said--you may not have been here, Mr. Ford, at

the time I made my original comments on his appearance.

He was very neatly dressed, very well composed, and to all outward

appearances a respectable-looking young man.

Representative FORD. I was there then, and I was interested because

I think we have testimony to the effect, or we have documentation to

the effect, that he had tried to commit suicide prior to his coming to

the American Embassy for the purpose of renouncing his citizenship. In

other words, he had cut his wrist and had been in a Soviet hospital or

medical facility. And I was wondering whether you had noticed that.

Mr. SNYDER. No, sir; I did not.

Representative FORD. You did not.

Mr. COLEMAN. Mr. Snyder, on November 2 you sent forward Commission

Exhibit No. 908, which is the Foreign Service dispatch. You had also

sent forth 2 days earlier a telegram advising them about Oswald.

And on November 12 you had sent forth Commission Exhibit No. 920. Now,

according to the files that we have, except for Commission Exhibit

No. 916, which is the telegram asking where the dispatch was, we have

no other communication during this period from the Department to the

Embassy giving you advice on what to do in the Oswald case.

Was there any messages that went back to the Embassy, other than

Commission Exhibit No. 916, during that period?

Mr. SNYDER. I can't really say, Mr. Coleman, that I have personal

recollection. But I have no reason to believe that there was anything

else came in, other than what is now in our files.

Mr. COLEMAN. Well, would you expect to get some answers to those

dispatches that you were sending forward to Washington?

Mr. SNYDER. Not really--not really. The thrust of information in

something like this is from the field to the Department. The Department

really answered the only thing which I asked them. That is, I told

the Department what I intended to do concerning his request for

renunciation, and the Department responded to that. And this was really

all I would have expected from them at the time.

I would have expected--if the Department had had any information

concerning Oswald in its files--I would have expected them to let me

know if they had indication, for instance, that Oswald was mentally

unbalanced or emotionally unstable or anything else of this sort,

anything which might look like a repeat of the Petrulli pattern, I

would have expected them to let me know this, so I would know how to

handle the case.

Mr. COLEMAN. Sir, 3 days before Mr. Oswald came into the Embassy, did

you have occasion to write a letter to Mr. Boster in Washington, asking

him how you should handle these matters of attempted renunciation of

American citizenship?

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