Mr. SNYDER. Well----

Mr. DULLES. Is this the first time he came into the Embassy?

Mr. COLEMAN. This is 3 days before he came.

Mr. DULLES. The first time?

Mr. COLEMAN. Yes, sir.

Mr. SNYDER. I recall writing. I think probably the letter you have in

mind--

Mr. COLEMAN. I show you Commission Exhibit No. 914 which is a letter

dated October 28, 1959, from Mr. Snyder to Mr. Boster, and ask you

whether that is a letter you sent.

(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 914 for

identification.)

Mr. COLEMAN. Is that a copy of the letter that you sent to Mr. Boster?

Mr. SNYDER. Yes, sir.

Mr. COLEMAN. Doesn't that letter, at the bottom, indicate that you were

attempting to get advice on how to handle an attempted renunciation of

American citizenship? At the bottom of the first page.

Mr. SNYDER. Yes; this is a letter which I wrote to Gene Boster. This

letter, I might add, did not refer to any particular case, but was a

letter in which I had put down ideas which had been circulating in my

mind for some time, based on my initial handling of cases in Moscow.

And it was by way of putting down, as I say, some general ideas on the

subject, and asking Gene what the Department felt about this general

area of notions. It wasn't directed at any particular case.

Representative FORD. Do you feel that the regulations then, as well as

now, and the law as well, are archaic in this regard?

Mr. SNYDER. Oh, no; it is simply that--not the law, and certainly not

the regulations--and certainly not the law, can ever take the place of

the judgment of the officer on the spot.

Mr. DULLES. Was this motivated by the Petrulli case?

Mr. SNYDER. No; I don't think it was. The Petrulli case was a clear-cut

case, there was no problem with the Petrulli case, legal or otherwise.

It was motivated, as best I can recall, by my experience with a few

other cases. Well, let's say--let's go back a little bit further, in

a more general vein. The kind of people, the kind of Americans, and I

suppose not only Americans but Frenchmen, Englishmen, and otherwise,

who occasionally drift into the Soviet Union and state that they want

to roll up their sleeves and go to work for socialism for the rest of

their lives, or something of this sort, are usually quite a peculiar

kind of person.

In the first place, they are rarely Marxists in any meaningful sense

of the term. That is, they don't really know what it is all about.

They probably don't know two words about Marxist theories, or Marxism,

Leninism, Stalinism, or anything else. Even less do they know anything

about the country that they have chosen to spend their lives in,

theoretically.

Almost universally they have never been to the country before. They

speak no Russian. And they are rebounding from something--in some

cases, such as the Petrulli case, the man is simply incompetent. In

other cases, as in the Webster case, he appears to have been fleeing

from his wife and the general responsibilities of his prior position,

and finding that he could not escape from them in the Soviet Union

either.

In the case of Oswald, a man who, for one reason or another, seemed

to have been uncomfortable in his own society, unable to accommodate

himself to it, and hoping he will make out better some place else.

At any rate, almost universally, the pattern is of a person who is not

acting out of any ideological grounds. He simply doesn't--and I think

this is essentially true probably of Oswald--this was my feeling in

speaking with him--that Oswald really knew nothing about Marxism and

Leninism, that he professed to be modeling his life after.

Mr. DULLES. Isn't it possible, though, from this discussion--maybe this

should be asked to your legal adviser--that our procedure under law

about renunciation may be in conflict with general international law,

because if he comes into the country with an American passport, as an

American citizen, I gather under ordinary international law we have to

take him back. We are responsible for him. And no renunciation he makes

changes that, as the Petrulli case shows.

Now, in the Petrulli case you had a situation where he was incompetent,

and you could throw the thing out on the ground he didn't know what he

was doing. But in these other cases, maybe you can't.

Mr. SNYDER. Well, in the specific instance and circumstances of the

Soviet Union, you obviously have a major problem, there is a major

state problem.

Mr. DULLES. That might arise in other cases. Isn't that true in any

case--If an American citizen arrives with an American passport, the

country where he arrives doesn't have to keep him, does it? Isn't it

our responsibility to take him back?

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