Dr. PETERS. I believe Dr. Carrico----

Mr. SPECTER. Any other doctors present?

Dr. PETERS. And Dr. Jenkins was present.

Mr. SPECTER. Have you now covered all of those who were present at that

time?

Dr. PETERS. And Dr. Shaw walked into the room and left--for a

moment--but he didn't stay. He just sort of glanced at the President

and went across the hall. Mrs. Kennedy was in the corner with someone

who identified himself as the personal physician of the President--I

don't remember his name.

Mr. SPECTER. Dr. Burkley?

Dr. PETERS. I don't know his name. That's just who he said he was,

because he was asking that the President be given some steroids, which

was done.

Mr. SPECTER. He requested that.

Dr. PETERS. That's right, he said he should have some steroids because

he was an Addisonian.

Mr. SPECTER. What do you mean by that in lay language?

Dr. PETERS. Well, Addison's disease is a disease of the adrenal cortex

which is characterized by a deficiency in the elaboration of certain

hormones that allow an individual to respond to stress and these

hormones are necessary for life, and if they cannot be replaced, the

individual may succumb.

Mr. SPECTER. And Dr. Burkley, or whoever was the President's personal

physician, made a request that you treat him as an Addisonian?

Dr. PETERS. That's right--he recommended that he be given steroids

because he was an Addisonian--that's what he said.

Mr. SPECTER. Were there any nurses present at that time?

Dr. PETERS. I don't remember a nurse being in the room all the time,

but they were coming in and out.

Mr. SPECTER. Have you identified all the people who were present to the

best of your recollection?

Dr. PETERS. Did I mention Dr. Robert McClelland, he was also there.

Mr. SPECTER. Was Dr. Dulany there?

Dr. PETERS. I don't remember him, he may have been.

Mr. SPECTER. Who else was there, if anyone, that you can recall, or

have you now given me everyone you can recall?

Dr. PETERS. Well, I am giving you my impression of the situation as I

walked in and those are the ones I remember right now. Dr. Kemp Clark

also came in during the maneuvering.

Mr. SPECTER. Well, who else came in during the course of the operative

procedures?

Dr. PETERS. The anesthesiologists, Drs. Jenkins and Gene Akin, I

believe, came in.

Mr. SPECTER. Did anyone else come in?

Dr. PETERS. I am not certain of anyone else.

Mr. SPECTER. Now, tell us what aid was rendered to President Kennedy.

Dr. PETERS. Dr. Perry and Dr. Baxter were doing the tracheotomy and

a set of tracheotomy tubes was obtained and the appropriate size was

determined and I gave it to Baxter, who helped Perry put it into the

wound, and Perry noted also that there appeared to be a bubbling

sensation in the chest and recommended that chest tubes be put in. Dr.

Ron Jones put a chest tube in on the left side and Dr. Baxter and I put

it in on the right side--I made the incision in the President's chest,

and I noted that there was no bleeding from the wound.

Mr. SPECTER. Did you put that chest tube all the way in on the right

side?

Dr. PETERS. That's our presumption--yes.

Mr. SPECTER. And what else was done for the President?

Dr. PETERS. About the same time--there was a question of whether he

really had an adequate pulse, and so Dr. Ronald Jones and I pulled his

pants down and noticed that he was wearing his brace which had received

a lot of publicity in the lay press, and also that he had an elastic

bandage wrapped around his pelvis at--in a sort of a figure eight

fashion, so as to encompass both thighs and the lower trunk.

Mr. SPECTER. What was the purpose of that bandage?

Dr. PETERS. I presume that it was--my thoughts at the time were that

he probably had been having pelvic pain and had put this on as an

additional support to stabilize his lower pelvis. It seemed quite

interesting to me that the President of the United States had on an

ordinary $3 Ace bandage probably in an effort to stabilize his pelvis.

I suppose he had been having some back pain and that was my thought at

the time, but we removed this bandage in an effort to feel a femoral

pulse. We were never certain that we got a good pulse.

Mr. SPECTER. Would you describe in as much detail as you can the type

of brace he was wearing?

Dr. PETERS. Well, it appeared similar to a corset.

Mr. SPECTER. How thick was it?

Dr. PETERS. I would estimate it was one-eighth of an inch.

Mr. SPECTER. An eighth of an inch thick?

Dr. PETERS. Yes.

Mr. SPECTER. And how high was it?

Dr. PETERS. Well, it completely encompassed his midsection.

Mr. SPECTER. It encompassed his midsection?

Dr. PETERS. His circumference--yes--and it was probably, I would guess

about 8 to 11 inches.

Mr. SPECTER. In width?

Dr. PETERS. Yes.

Mr. SPECTER. Running in his waist area at the top of his hips up to the

lower part of his chest?

Dr. PETERS. I would estimate that it went from the lower part of his

chest to the pelvic girdle. About this time it was noted also that he

had no effective heart action, and Dr. Perry asked whether he should

open the chest and massage the heart. In the meantime, of course, the

tracheotomy had been done and completed and had been hooked on to

apparatus for assisting his respiration.

Mr. SPECTER. And what action, if any, was taken on the open-heart

massage?

Dr. PETERS. It was pointed out that an examination of the brain had

been done. Dr. Jenkins had observed the brain and Dr. Clark had

observed the brain and it was pointed out to Dr. Perry that it appeared

to be a mortal wound, and involving the brain, and that open-heart

massage would probably not add anything to what had already been done,

and that external cardiac massage is known to be as efficient as direct

massage of the heart itself.

Mr. SPECTER. Was there any further treatment rendered to the President?

Dr. PETERS. Yes, Dr. Perry began immediate external compression of

the chest in an effort to massage the heart, even before he asked the

question as to whether the thoracotomy should be done. As soon as there

was a question as to whether there was a pulse or not, he immediately

began external chest compression.

Mr. SPECTER. What other action was taken to aid the President, if any?

Dr. PETERS. Well, cut downs were done on the extremities, and tubes

were inserted in the veins, and I know on the right ankle anteriorly,

and I believe in the left arm and also in the left leg, in order to

administer fluid and blood which he did receive.

Mr. SPECTER. Have you now described all of the medical attention given

the President?

Dr. PETERS. Well, I believe I have.

Mr. SPECTER. And was the President subsequently pronounced dead?

Dr. PETERS. That's correct.

Mr. SPECTER. And about what time was that pronouncement made?

Dr. PETERS. I could not give you the time within 5 or 10 minutes--I can

tell you this much, though, I know what actually did happen.

Mr. SPECTER. Tell me that.

Dr. PETERS. I was--we pronounced him dead and I was in the room,

present while the priest gave him the last rites, during which time

there was Dr. Jenkins and Dr. Baxter and Dr. McClelland, Mrs. Kennedy,

the priest, and myself. Dr. Perry had left, as had most of the others

by that time.

Mr. SPECTER. Why did you remain?

Dr. PETERS. Well, I just hadn't gotten out of the door when the priest

first came in and Dr. Jenkins asked everyone to leave except those

people I have just named.

Mr. SPECTER. Why did he exclude those from the group which were to

leave?

Dr. PETERS. Well, I think they were nurses, and several other people he

thought just best not remain and I'm sure that there was no intention

to personally exclude anyone behind his request. He just sort of looked

around and saw who appeared to be there and asked the others to leave.

Mr. SPECTER. What did you observe as to the nature of the President's

wound?

Dr. PETERS. Well, as I mentioned, the neck wound had already been

interfered with by the tracheotomy at the time I got there, but I

noticed the head wound, and as I remember--I noticed that there was a

large defect in the occiput.

Mr. SPECTER. What did you notice in the occiput?

Dr. PETERS. It seemed to me that in the right occipitalparietal area

that there was a large defect. There appeared to be bone loss and brain

loss in the area.

Mr. SPECTER. Did you notice any holes below the occiput, say, in this

area below here?

Dr. PETERS. No, I did not and at the time and the moments immediately

following the injury, we speculated as to whether he had been shot once

or twice because we saw the wound of entry in the throat and noted

the large occipital wound, and it is a known fact that high velocity

missiles often have a small wound of entrance and a large wound of

exit, and I'm just giving you my honest impressions at the time.

Mr. SPECTER. What were they?

Dr. PETERS. Well, I wondered whether or not he had been shot once or

twice--that was my question at the time.

Mr. SPECTER. When you say "we speculate," whom do you mean by that?

Dr. PETERS. Well, the doctors in attendance there.

Mr. SPECTER. Any doctor specifically?

Dr. PETERS. I wouldn't mention anyone specifically, we all discussed

it. I did not know whether or not he had been shot once or twice.

Mr. SPECTER. Did you have an opportunity to observe the wound on his

neck prior to the time the tracheotomy was performed?

Dr. PETERS. No, I did not. The tracheotomy was already being done by

Dr. Baxter and Dr. Perry when I got in the room. I did not see the

wound on his neck.

Mr. SPECTER. Did you make any written reports on the treatment of

President Kennedy?

Dr. PETERS. No, I did not; no one asked me to.

Mr. SPECTER. Did you prepare any notes of any sort, or do you have any

notes of any sort?

Dr. PETERS. No; I do not.

Mr. SPECTER. What was the cause of death in your opinion?

Dr. PETERS. I would assume that it was irreversible damage to the

centers in the brain which control the heart and respiration.

Mr. SPECTER. Have you talked to any representatives of the Federal

Government about this matter prior to today?

Dr. PETERS. No; I have not.

Mr. SPECTER. And prior to the time the court reporter came in, did you

and I have a brief discussion as to the nature of this deposition and

the questions that I would ask you?

Dr. PETERS. No; I was not informed as to any specific questions. I knew

the general nature of the testimony which I would give.

Mr. SPECTER. From the discussion?

Dr. PETERS. From the letter I had received from the counsel signed by

Mr. Rankin.

Mr. SPECTER. And did you and I have a brief conversation here in this

room today before the court reporter came in?

Dr. PETERS. Yes; we did.

Mr. SPECTER. Do you have anything to add which you think might be of

assistance to the President's Commission in its investigation?

Dr. PETERS. I do not--regarding the immediate condition of the

President.

Mr. SPECTER. Thank you very much for coming, Dr. Peters, we are very

much obliged to you.

Dr. PETERS. Thank you.

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