The noble Lord the Member for London has made a statement of the case of

the Government, and in favour of this Address to the Crown; but I

thought it was a statement remarkably feeble in fact and in argument, if

intended as a justification of the course he and his Colleagues have

taken. For the purposes of the noble Lord's defence, the Russian demand

upon Turkey is assumed to be something of far greater importance than I

have been able to discover it to be from a careful examination of the

terms in which it was couched. The noble Lord himself, in one of his

despatches, admits that Russia had reason to complain, and that she has

certain rights and duties by treaty, and by tradition, with regard to

the protection of the Christians in Turkey. Russia asserted these

rights, and wished to have them defined in a particular form; and it was

on the question of the form of the demand, and the manner in which it

should be conceded, that the whole of this unfortunate difference has

arisen. Now, if Russia made certain demands on Turkey, this country

insisted that Turkey should not consent to them; for although the noble

Lord has attempted to show that Turkey herself, acting for herself, had

resolved to resist, I defy any one to read the despatches of Lord

Stratford de Redcliffe without coming to the conclusion that, from the

beginning to the end of the negotiations, the English Ambassador had

insisted, in the strongest manner, that Turkey should refuse to make the

slightest concession on the real point at issue in the demands of the

Russian Government. As a proof of that statement, I may refer to the

account given by Lord Stratford de Redcliffe, in his despatch of the 5th

of May, 1853, of the private interview he had with the Sultan, the

Minister of the Sultan having left him at the door, that the interview

might be strictly private. In describing that interview, Lord Stratford

says, 'I then endeavoured to give him a just idea of the degree of

danger to which his Empire was exposed.' The Sultan was not sufficiently

aware of his danger, and the English Ambassador 'endeavoured to give him

a just idea of it;' and it was by means such as this that he urged upon

the Turkish Government the necessity of resistance to any of the demands

of Russia, promising the armed assistance of England, whatever

consequences might ensue. From the moment that promise was made, or from

the moment it was sanctioned by the Cabinet at home, war was all but

inevitable; they had entered into a partnership with the Turkish

Government (which, indeed, could scarcely be called a Government at

all), to assist it by military force; and Turkey, having old quarrels to

settle with Russia, and old wrongs to avenge, was not slow to plunge

into the war, having secured the co-operation of two powerful nations,

England and France, in her quarrel.

Now, I have no special sympathy with Russia, and I refuse to discuss or

to decide this question on grounds of sympathy with Russia or with

Turkey; I consider it simply as it affects the duties and the interests

of my own country. I find that after the first proposition for a treaty

had been made by Prince Menchikoff, that envoy made some concession, and

asked only for a _Sened_, or Convention; and when that was

disapproved of, he offered to accept a note, or memorandum merely, that

should specify what should be agreed upon. But the Turk was advised to

resist, first the treaty, then the convention, and then the note or

memorandum; and an armed force was promised on behalf of this country.

At the same time he knew that he would incur the high displeasure of

England and France, and especially of England, if he made the slightest

concession to Russia. It was about the middle of May that Prince

Menchikoff left Constantinople, not having succeeded in obtaining any

concession from the Porte; and it was on the 3rd of July that the

Russian forces crossed the Pruth; thinking, I believe, by making a dash

at the Principalities, to coerce Turkey, and deter her allies from

rendering her the promised support. It has been assumed by some, that if

England had declared war last year, Russia would have been deterred from

any further step, and that the whole matter would have been settled at

once. I, however, have no belief that Russia on the one hand, or England

and France on the other, would have been bullied into any change of

policy by means of that kind.

I come now to the celebrated 'Vienna note.' I am bound here to say, that

nobody has yet been able clearly to explain the difference between the

various notes Turkey has been advised to reject, and this and other

notes she has been urged to accept. With respect to this particular

note, nobody seems to have understood it. There were four Ambassadors at

Vienna, representing England, France, Austria, and Prussia; and these

four gentlemen drew up the Vienna note, and recommended it to the Porte

as one which she might accept without injury to her independence or her

honour. Louis Napoleon is a man knowing the use of language, and able to

comprehend the meaning of a document of this nature, and his Minister of

Foreign Affairs is a man of eminent ability; and Louis Napoleon and his

Minister agree with the Ambassadors at Vienna as to the character of the

Vienna note. We have a Cabinet composed of men of great individual

capacity; a Cabinet, too, including no less than five Gentlemen who have

filled the office of Secretary for Foreign Affairs, and who may,

therefore, be presumed to understand even the sometimes concealed

meaning of diplomatic phraseology. These five Foreign Secretaries,

backed by the whole Cabinet, concurred with the Ambassadors at Vienna,

and with the Emperor of the French and his Foreign Secretary, in

recommending the Vienna note to the Sultan as a document which he might

accept consistently with his honour, and with that integrity and that

independence which our Government is so anxious to secure for him. What

was done with this note? Passing by the marvellous stupidity, or

something worse, which caused that note not to be submitted to Turkey

before it was sent to St. Petersburg, he would merely state that it was

sent to St. Petersburg, and was accepted in its integrity by the Emperor

of Russia in the most frank and unreserved manner. We were then told--I

was told by Members of the Government--that the moment the note was

accepted by Russia we might consider the affair to be settled, and that

the dispute would never be heard of again. When, however, the note was

sent to Constantinople, after its acceptance by Russia, Turkey

discovered, or thought, or said she discovered, that it was as bad as

the original or modified proposition of Prince Menchikoff, and she

refused the note as it was, and proposed certain modifications. And what

are we to think of these arbitrators or mediators--the four Ambassadors

at Vienna, and the Governments of France and England--who, after

discussing the matter in three different cities, and at three distinct

and different periods, and after agreeing that the proposition was one

which Turkey could assent to without detriment to her honour and

independence, immediately afterwards turned round, and declared that the

note was one which Turkey could not be asked to accede to, and

repudiated in the most formal and express manner that which they

themselves had drawn up, and which, only a few days before, they had

approved of as a combination of wisdom and diplomatic dexterity which

had never been excelled?

But it was said that the interpretation which Count Nesselrode placed

upon this note made it impossible for Turkey to accede to it. I very

much doubt whether Count Nesselrode placed any meaning upon it which it

did not fairly warrant, and it is impossible to say whether he really

differed at all from the actual intentions of the four Ambassadors at

Vienna. But I can easily understand the course taken by the Russian

Minister. It was this:--seeing the note was rejected by the Turk, and

considering that its previous acceptance by Russia was some concession

from the original demand, he issued a circular, giving such an

explanation or interpretation of the Vienna note as might enable him to

get back to his original position, and might save Russia from being

committed and damaged by the concession, which, for the sake of peace,

she had made. This circular, however, could make no real difference in

the note itself; and notwithstanding this circular, whatever the note

really meant, it would have been just as binding upon Russia as any

other note will be that may be drawn up and agreed to at the end of the

war. Although, however, this note was considered inadmissible,

negotiations were continued; and at the Conference at Olmutz, at which

the Earl of Westmoreland was present, the Emperor of Russia himself

expressed his willingness to accept the Vienna note--not in the sense

that Count Nesselrode had placed upon it, but in that which the

Ambassadors at Vienna declared to be its real meaning, and with such a

clause as they should attach to it, defining its real meaning.

It is impossible from this fairly to doubt the sincerity of the desire

for peace manifested by the Emperor of Russia. He would accept the note

prepared by the Conference at Vienna, sanctioned by the Cabinets in

London and Paris, and according to the interpretation put upon it by

those by whom it had been prepared--such interpretation to be defined in

a clause, to be by them attached to the original note. But in the

precise week in which these negotiations were proceeding apparently to a

favourable conclusion, the Turkish Council, consisting of a large number

of dignitaries of the Turkish Empire--not one of whom, however,

represented the Christian majority of the population of Turkey, but

inspired by the fanaticism and desperation of the old Mahomedan party--

assembled; and, fearful that peace would be established, and that they

would lose the great opportunity of dragging England and France into a

war with their ancient enemy the Emperor of Russia, they came to a

sudden resolution in favour of war; and in the very week in which Russia

agreed to the Vienna note in the sense of the Vienna Conference, the

Turks declared war against Russia,--the Turkish forces crossed the

Danube, and began the war, involving England in an inglorious and costly

struggle, from which this Government and a succeeding Government may

fail to extricate us.

I differ very much from those Gentlemen who condemn the Government for

the tardy nature of their proceedings. I never said or thought that the

Government was not honestly anxious for peace; but I believe, and indeed

I know, that at an early period they committed themselves and the

country to a policy which left the issue of peace or war in other hands

than their own--namely, in the hands of the Turks, the very last hands

in which I am willing to trust the interests and the future of this

country. In my opinion, the original blunder was committed when the

Turks were advised to resist and not to concede; and the second blunder

was made when the Turks were supported in their rejection of the Vienna

note; for the moment the four Powers admitted that their recommendation

was not necessarily to be accepted by the Porte, they put themselves

entirely into the hands of the Turk, and might be dragged into any depth

of confusion and war in which that respectable individual might wish to

involve them.

The course taken by Turkey in beginning the war was against the strong

advice of her allies; but, notwithstanding this, the moment the step was

taken, they turned round again, as in the case of the Vienna note, and

justified and defended her in the course she had adopted, in defiance of

the remonstrances they had urged against it. In his speech to-night, the

noble Lord (Lord J. Russell) has occupied some time in showing that

Turkey was fully justified in declaring war. I should say nothing

against that view, if Turkey were fighting on her own resources; but I

maintain that, if she is in alliance with England and France, the

opinions of those Powers should at least have been heard, and that, in

case of her refusal to listen to their counsel, they would have been

justified in saying to her, 'If you persist in taking your own course,

we cannot be involved in the difficulties to which it may give rise, but

must leave you to take the consequences of your own acts.' But this was

not said, and the result is, that we are dragged into a war by the

madness of the Turk, which, but for the fatal blunders we have

committed, we might have avoided.

There have been three plans for dealing with this Turkish question,

advocated by as many parties in this country. The first finds favour

with two or three Gentlemen who usually sit on the bench below me--with

a considerable number out of doors--and with a portion of the public

press. These persons were anxious to have gone to war during last

summer. They seem actuated by a frantic and bitter hostility to Russia,

and, without considering the calamities in which they might involve this

country, they have sought to urge it into a great war, as they imagined,

on behalf of European freedom, and in order to cripple the resources of

Russia. I need hardly say that I have not a particle of sympathy with

that party, or with that policy. I think nothing can be more unwise than

that party, and nothing more atrocious than their policy. But there was

another course recommended, and which the Government has followed. War

delayed, but still certain--arrangements made which placed the issue of

war in other hands than in those of the Government of this country--that

is the policy which the Government has pursued, and in my opinion it is

fatal to Turkey, and disastrous to England. There is a third course, and

which I should have, and indeed have all along recommended--that war

should have been avoided by the acceptance on the part of Turkey either

of the last note of Prince Menchikoff, or of the Vienna note; or, if

Turkey would not consent to either, that then she should have been

allowed to enter into the war alone, and England and France--supposing

they had taken, and continued to take, the same view of the interests of

Western Europe which they have hitherto taken--might have stood aloof

until the time when there appeared some evident danger of the war being

settled on terms destructive of the balance of power; and then they

might have come in, and have insisted on a different settlement. I would

either have allowed or compelled Turkey to yield, or would have insisted

on her carrying on the war alone.

The question is, whether the advantages both to Turkey and England of

avoiding war altogether, would have been less than those which are

likely to arise from the policy which the Government has pursued? Now,

if the noble Lord the Member for Tiverton is right in saying that Turkey

is a growing Power, and that she has elements of strength which

unlearned persons like myself know nothing about; surely no immediate,

or sensible, or permanent mischief could have arisen to her from the

acceptance of the Vienna note, which all the distinguished persons who

agreed to it have declared to be perfectly consistent with her honour

and independence. If she has been growing stronger and stronger of late

years, surely she would have grown still stronger in the future, and

there might have been a reasonable expectation that, whatever

disadvantages she might have suffered for a time from that note, her

growing strength would have enabled her to overcome them, while the

peace of Europe might have been preserved. But suppose that Turkey is

not a growing Power, but that the Ottoman rule in Europe is tottering to

its fall, I come to the conclusion that, whatever advantages were

afforded to the Christian population of Turkey would have enabled them

to grow more rapidly in numbers, in industry, in wealth, in

intelligence, and in political power; and that, as they thus increased

in influence, they would have become more able, in case any accident,

which might not be far distant, occurred, to supplant the Mahomedan

rule, and to establish themselves in Constantinople as a Christian

State, which, I think, every man who hears me will admit is infinitely

more to be desired than that the Mahomedan power should be permanently

sustained by the bayonets of France and the fleets of England. Europe

would thus have been at peace; for I do not think even the most bitter

enemies of Russia believe that the Emperor of Russia intended last year,

if the Vienna note or Prince Menchikoff's last and most moderate

proposition had been accepted, to have marched on Constantinople.

Indeed, he had pledged himself in the most distinct manner to withdraw

his troops at once from the Principalities, if the Vienna note were

accepted; and therefore in that case Turkey would have been delivered

from the presence of the foe; peace would for a time have been secured

to Europe; and the whole matter would have drifted on to its natural

solution--which is, that the Mahomedan power in Europe should eventually

succumb to the growing power of the Christian population of the Turkish

territories.

The noble Lord the Member for London, and his colleague the noble Lord

the Member for Tiverton, when they speak of the aggrandisement of Russia

relatively to the rest of Europe, always speak of the 'balance of power'

a term which it is not easy to define. It is a hackneyed term--a phrase

to which it is difficult to attach any definite meaning. I wish the

noble Lord would explain what is meant by the balance of power. In 1791,

the whole Whig party repudiated the proposition that Turkey had anything

to do with the balance of power. Mr. Burke, in 1791, when speaking on

that subject, used the following language:--

'He had never heard it said before, that the Turkish Empire was

ever considered as any part of the balance of power in Europe.

They had nothing to do with European policy; they considered

themselves as wholly Asiatic. What had these worse than savages

to do with the Powers of Europe, but to spread war, destruction,

and pestilence among them? The Ministry and the policy which

would give these people any weight in Europe, would deserve all

the bans and curses of posterity. All that was holy in religion,

all that was moral and humane, demanded an abhorrence of

everything which tended to extend the power of that cruel and

wasteful Empire. Any Christian Power was to be preferred to these

destructive savages.'

Mr. Whitbread, on the same occasion, said:--

'Suppose the Empress at Constantinople, and the Turks expelled

from the European provinces, would any unprejudiced man contend

that by such an event mankind would not be largely benefited?

Would any man contend that the expulsion of a race of beings

whose abominable tyranny proscribed the arts, and literature, and

everything that was good, and great, and amiable, would not

conduce to the prosperity and happiness of the world? He was

convinced it would. This was an event with which the paltry

consideration of the nice adjustment of the balance in Europe was

not to be put in competition, although he was a friend to that

balance on broad and liberal principles. He abhorred the wretched

policy which could entertain a wish that the most luxuriant part

of the earth should remain desolate and miserable that a

particular system might be maintained.'

And Mr. Fox, when speaking of Mr. Pitt's system, said--and be it

remembered that nobody is so great an authority with the noble Lord the

Member for London as Mr. Fox, whose words I am now about to quote:--

'His (Mr. Pitt's) defensive system was wicked and absurd--that

every country which appeared, from whatever cause, to be growing

great, should be attacked; that all the Powers of Europe should

be confined to the same precise situation in which this defensive

system found them.... Her (Russia's) extent of territory, scanty

revenue, and thin population made her power by no means

formidable to us--a Power whom we could neither attack nor be

attacked by; and this was the Power against which we were going

to war. Overturning the Ottoman Empire he conceived to be an

argument of no weight. The event was not probable; and if it

should happen, it was more likely to be of advantage than

injurious to us.'

It will probably be said, that these were opinions held by Gentlemen who

sat on that side of the House, and who were ready to advocate any course

that might serve to damage the Ministers of the day. I should be sorry

to think so, especially of a man whose public character is so much to be

admired as that of Mr. Fox; but I will come to a much later period, and

produce authority of a very similar kind. Many hon. Members now in the

House recollect the late Lord Holland, and they all know his sagacity

and what his authority was with the party with which he was connected.

What did he say? Why, so late as the year 1828, when this question was

mooted in the House of Lords, he said:--

'No, my Lords, I hope I shall never see--God forbid I ever should

see--for the proposition would be scouted from one end of England

to another any preparations or any attempt to defend this our

"ancient ally" from the attacks of its enemies. There was no

arrangement made in that treaty for preserving the crumbling and

hateful, or, as Mr. Burke called it, that wasteful and disgusting

Empire of the Turks, from dismemberment and destruction; and none

of the Powers who were parties to that treaty will ever, I hope,

save the falling Empire of Turkey from ruin.'

I hope it will not be supposed that I am animated by any hostility to

Turkey, in quoting sentiments and language such as this, for I have as

much sympathy with what is just towards that country as any other man

can have; but the question is, not what is just to Turkey, but what is

just to this country, and what this House, as the depositary of the

power of this country, has a right to do with regard to this most

dangerous question. I am, therefore, at liberty to quote from the

statesmen of 1791 and 1828, the political fathers and authorities of the

noble Lord the Member for London, and to say, that if I hold opinions

different from those held by the Government, I am, at least, not

singular in those opinions, for I can quote great names and high

authorities in support of the course I am taking.

This 'balance of power' is in reality the hinge on which the whole

question turns. But if that is so important as to be worth a sanguinary

war, why did you not go to war with France when she seized upon Algiers?

That was a portion of Turkey not quite so distinct, it is true, as are

the Danubian Principalities; but still Turkey had sovereign rights over

Algiers. When, therefore, France seized on a large portion of the

northern coast of Africa, might it not have been said that such an act

tended to convert the Mediterranean into a French lake,--that Algiers

lay next to Tunis, and that, having conquered Tunis, there would remain

only Tripoli between France and Alexandria, and that the 'balance of

power' was being destroyed by the aggrandisement of France? All this

might have been said, and the Government might easily have plunged the

country into war on that question. But happily the Government of that

day had the good sense not to resist, and the result had not been

disadvantageous to Europe; this country had not suffered from the

seizure of Algiers, and England and France had continued at peace.

Take another case--the case of the United States. The United States

waged war with Mexico--a war with a weaker State--in my opinion, an

unjust and unnecessary war. If I had been a citizen of the American

Republic, I should have condemned that war; but might it not have been

as justly argued that, if we allowed the aggressive attacks of the

United States upon Mexico, her insatiable appetite would soon be turned

towards the north--towards the dependencies of this Empire--and that the

magnificent colonies of the Canadas would soon fall a prey to the

assaults of their rapacious neighbour? But such arguments were not used,

and it was not thought necessary to involve this country in a war for

the support of Mexico, although the Power that was attacking that

country lay adjacent to our own dominions.

If this phrase of the 'balance of power' is to be always an argument for

war, the pretence for war will never be wanting, and peace can never be

secure. Let any one compare the power of this country with that of

Austria now, and forty years ago. Will any one say that England,

compared with Austria, is now three times as powerful as she was thirty

or forty years ago? Austria has a divided people, bankrupt finances, and

her credit is so low that she cannot borrow a shilling out of her own

territories; England has a united people, national wealth rapidly

increasing, and a mechanical and productive power to which that of

Austria is as nothing. Might not Austria complain that we have disturbed

the 'balance of power' because we are growing so much stronger from

better government, from the greater union of our people, from the wealth

that is created by the hard labour and skill of our population, and from

the wonderful development of the mechanical resources of the kingdom,

which is seen on every side? If this phrase of the 'balance of power'

the meaning of which nobody can exactly make out, is to be brought in on

every occasion to stimulate this country to war, there is an end to all

hope of permanent peace.

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