I shall not review the past transactions with anger, but with feelings

of sorrow; for I maintain, and I think history will bear out what I say,

that there is no generous and high-minded Englishman who can look back

upon the transactions of the last four years without a feeling of sorrow

at the course we have pursued on some important occasions. As I am

wishful to speak with a view to a better state of feeling, both in this

country and in the United States, I shall take the liberty, if the House

will permit me for a few minutes, to refer to two or three of these

transactions, where, I think, though perhaps we were not in the main

greatly wrong, yet in some circumstances we were so far unfortunate as

to have created an irritation which at this moment we wish did not

exist. The hon. Member for Horsham (Mr. Seymour Fitzgerald) referred to

the course taken by the Government with regard to the acknowledgment of

the belligerent rights of the South. Now I have never been one to

condemn the Government for acknowledging those belligerent rights,

except upon this ground--I think it might be logically contended that it

might possibly have become necessary to take that step--but I do think

the time and manner in which it was done were most unfortunate, and

could not but produce very evil effects.

Going back nearly four years, we recollect what occurred when the news

arrived of the first shot having been fired at Fort Sumter. That, I

think, was about the 12th of April. Immediately after that time it was

announced that a new Minister was coming to this country. Mr. Dallas had

intimated to the Government that as he did not represent the new

President he would rather not undertake anything of importance; but that

his successor was on his way and would arrive on such a day. When a man

leaves New York on a given day you can calculate to about twelve hours

when he will be in London. Mr. Adams, I think, arrived in London about

the 13th of May, and when he opened his newspaper next morning he found

the Proclamation of neutrality, acknowledging the belligerent rights of

the South. I say that the proper course to have taken would have been to

have waited till Mr. Adams arrived here, and to have discussed the

matter with him in a friendly manner, explaining the ground upon which

the English Government had felt themselves bound to issue that

Proclamation, and representing that it was not done in any manner as an

unfriendly act towards the United States Government. But no precaution

whatever was taken; it was done with unfriendly haste; and it had this

effect, that it gave comfort and courage to the conspiracy at Montgomery

and at Richmond, and caused great grief and irritation amongst that

portion of the people of America who were most strongly desirous of

maintaining friendly relations between their country and England.

To illustrate this point allow me to suppose a great revolt had taken

place in Ireland, and that we had sent over within a fortnight of the

occurrence of such an unfortunate event a new Minister to Washington,

and that on the morning after arriving there he had found, that without

consulting him, the Government had taken a hasty step by which the

belligerent rights of the insurgents had been acknowledged, and by which

comfort and support had been given them. I ask any man whether, under

such circumstances, the feeling throughout the whole of Great Britain,

and in the mind of every man anxious to preserve the unity of Great

Britain and Ireland, would not necessarily be one of irritation and

exasperation against the United States?

I will not argue this matter further--to do so would be simply to

depreciate the intellect of the hon. Gentlemen listening to me. Seven or

eight months afterwards there happened another transaction of a very

different but unfortunate nature--that is the transaction arising out of

the seizure of two Southern envoys on board an English ship--the

_Trent_. I recollect making a speech down at Rochdale about the

time of that occurrence. It was a speech entirely in favour of the

United States Government and people--but I did not then undertake, as I

do not undertake now, in the slightest degree to defend the seizure of

those two envoys. I said that although precedents for such an action

might possibly be found to have occurred in what I will call some of the

evil days in our history, at any rate it was opposed to the maxims and

principles of the United States Government, and was, as I thought, a bad

act--an act which should not have been done. Well, I do not complain of

the demand that those men should be given up; but I do complain of the

manner in which that demand was made, and the menaces by which it was

accompanied. I think it was wrong and unstatesman-like that at the

moment we heard of the seizure, when there was not the least foundation

for supposing that the United States Government were aware of the act,

or had in the slightest degree sanctioned it, as we since well know they

did not, that we should immediately get ships ready, and send off

troops, and incite the organs of the press--who are always too ready to

inflame the passions of the people to frenzy--to prepare their minds for

war.

But that was not all; because before the United States had heard a word

of the matter from this country their Secretary of State had written to

Mr. Adams a despatch, which was communicated to our Government, and in

which it was stated that the transaction had not been done by any orders

of theirs, and that therefore, as far as they and we were concerned, it

was a pure accident, which they should consider with the most friendly

disposition towards this country. How came it that this despatch was

never published for the information of the people of this country? How

happened it that, during one whole month the flame of war was fanned by

the newspapers, particularly by those supposed to be devoted to the

Government, and that one of those newspapers, supposed to be peculiarly

devoted to the Prime Minister, had the audacity--I do not know whence it

obtained its instructions--to deny that any such despatch had been

received? Now, Sir, I am of opinion that it is not possible to maintain

amicable relations with any great country--I think it is not possible to

do so with any little one--unless Governments will manage these

transactions in what I will call a more courteous and more honourable

manner. I happen to know--for I received a letter from the United

States, from one of the most eminent men in that country, dated only two

days before those men were given up, in which the writer said--that the

real difficulty in the course of the President was that the menaces of

the English Government had made it almost impossible for them to

concede; and that the question they asked themselves was whether the

English Government was intending to seek a cause of quarrel or not. And

I am sure the noble Lord at the head of the Government, if such a demand

had been made upon him with courtesy and fairness, as should be between

friendly nations, would have been more disposed to concede, and would

have found it much more easy to concede, than if the demand had been

accompanied by menaces such as his Government offered to the Government

of the United States. Now the House will observe that I am not

condemning the Government of this country on the main point of what they

did. I am only condemning them because they did not do what they had to

do in that manner which would be most likely to remove difficulties and

preserve a friendly feeling between the two nations.

Then I come to the last thing I shall mention--to the question of the

ships which have been preying upon the commerce of the United States. I

shall confine myself to that one vessel, the _Alabama_. She was

built in this country; all her munitions of war were from this country;

almost every man on board her was a subject of Her Majesty. She sailed

from one of our chief ports. She is known to have been built by a firm

in which a Member of this House was, and I presume is, interested. Now,

Sir, I do not complain--I know that once, when I referred to this

question two years ago, when my hon. Friend the Member for Bradford

brought it forward in this House, the hon. Member for Birkenhead (Mr.

Laird) was excessively angry--I do not complain that the Member for

Birkenhead has struck up a friendship with Captain Semmes, who may

probably be described, as another sailor once was of similar pursuits,

as being 'the mildest mannered man that ever scuttled ship.' Therefore,

I do not complain of a man who has an acquaintance with that notorious

person, and I do not complain, and did not then, that the Member for

Birkenhead looks admiringly upon the greatest example which men have

ever seen of the greatest crime which men have ever committed. I do not

complain even that he should applaud that which is founded upon a

gigantic traffic in living flesh and blood--a traffic into which no

subject of this realm can enter without being deemed a felon in the eyes

of our law and punished as such. But what I do complain of is this, that

the hon. Gentleman the Member for Birkenhead, a magistrate of a county,

a deputy-lieutenant--whatever that may be--a representative of a

constituency, and having a seat in this ancient and honourable Assembly--

that he should, as I believe he did, if concerned in the building of

this ship, break the law of his country, by driving us into an

infraction of International Law, and treating with undeserved disrespect

the Proclamation of neutrality of the Queen.

I have another complaint to make, and in allusion to that hon. Member.

It is within your recollection that when on a former occasion he made

that speech and defended his course, he declared that he would rather be

the builder of a dozen _Alabamas_ than do something which nobody

has done. That language was received with repeated cheering from the

Opposition side of the House. Well, Sir, I undertake to say that that

was at least a most unfortunate circumstance, and I beg to tell the hon.

Gentleman that at the end of last Session, when the great debate took

place on the question of Denmark, there were many men on this side of

the House who had no objection whatever to see the present Government

turned out of office, for they had many grounds of complaint against

them, but they felt it impossible that they should take the

responsibility of bringing into office the right hon. Member for

Buckinghamshire or the party who could utter such cheers on such a

subject as that.

Turning from the Member for Birkenhead to the noble Lord at the head of

the Foreign Office, he, who in the case of the acknowledgment of

belligerent rights had proceeded with such remarkable celerity, such

undue and unfriendly haste, amply compensated for it when he came to the

question of the _Alabama_, by his slowness of procedure. And this

is a strange circumstance, which even the noble Lord's Colleagues have

never been able to explain, that although he sent orders to Cork to stop

the _Alabama_ if she arrived there, he allowed her afterwards, when

she had gone out of the jurisdiction of the Crown in these islands, to

go into a dozen or a score of ports belonging to this country in

different parts of the world. It seems to me that this is rather a

special instance of that feebleness of purpose and of action on the part

of the noble Lord which I regret to say has on many occasions done much

to mar what would otherwise be a great political career. I will not

detain the House on the question of the rams. The hon. Member for

Birkenhead, or the firm or the family, or whoever the people are at

Birkenhead who do these things, this firm at Birkenhead, after they had

seen the peril into which the country was drifting on account of the

_Alabama_, proceeded most audaciously to build those two rams; and

it was only at the very last moment, when on the eve of a war with the

United States on account of those rams, that the Government happily had

the courage to seize them, and thus the last danger was averted.

I suppose there are some shipowners here. I know there are many in

London--there are many in Liverpool--what would be the feeling in this

country if they suffered in this way from ships built in the United

States? There is a shipowner in New York, Mr. Lowe, a member of the

Chamber of Commerce of New York. He had three large ships destroyed by

the _Alabama_; and the _George Griswold_, which came to this

country freighted with a heavy cargo of provisions of various kinds for

the suffering people of Lancashire, was destroyed on her return passage,

and the ship that destroyed it may have been, and I believe was, built

by these patriotic shipbuilders of Birkenhead. These are things that

must rankle in the breast of a country which is subjected to such losses

and indignities. Even to-day I see in the newspapers that a vessel that

went out from this country has destroyed ten or eleven ships between the

Cape of Good Hope and Australia. I have thought it unnecessary to bring

continually American questions before the House, as some Gentlemen have

done during the last two or three Sessions. They should have asked a few

questions in regard to these ships; but no, they asked no question upon

these points. They asked questions upon every point on which they

thought they might embarrass the Government and make the great

difficulties of the Government greater in all their transactions with

the United States.

But the Members of the Government have not been wise. I hope it will not

be thought that I am unnecessarily critical if I say that Governments

are not generally very wise. Two years ago the noble Lord at the head of

the Government and the Attorney-General addressed the House. I asked the

noble Lord--I do not often ask him for anything--to speak, if only for

five minutes, words of generosity and sympathy to the Government and

people of the United States. He did not do it. Perhaps I was foolish to

expect it. The Attorney-General made a most able speech. It was the only

time that I have listened to him, ever since I have known him in this

House, with pain, for I thought his speech was full of bad morals and

bad law. I am quite certain that he even gave an account of the facts of

the case which was not as ingenuous and fair as the House had a right to

expect from him. Next Session the noble Lord and the Attorney-General

turned quite round. They had a different story about the same

transaction, and gradually, as the aspect of things was changed on the

other side of the Atlantic, there has been a gradual return to good

sense and fairness, not only on the part of Members upon the Treasury

Bench, but on that of other Members of the House.

Now, Sir, I would not willingly say a word that would wound either the

noble Lord at the head of the Foreign Office or the Chancellor of the

Exchequer, because I do not know amongst the official statesmen of this

country two men for whom I have greater sympathy or more respect; but I

have to complain of them. I do not know why it is that they both go down

to Newcastle--a town in which I feel a great interest--and there give

forth words of offence and unwisdom. I know that what the noble Lord

said was all very smart, but really it was not true, and I have not much

respect for a thing that is merely smart and is not true. The Chancellor

of the Exchequer made a statement too. The papers made it appear that he

did it with exultation; but that is a mistake. But he made a statement,

and though I do not know what will be in his Budget, I know his wishes

in regard to that statement--namely, that he had never made it.

Those Gentlemen, bear in mind, sit, as it were, on a hill; they are not

obscure men, making speeches in a public-house or even at a respectable

mechanics' institution; they are men whose voice is heard wherever the

English language is known. And knowing that, and knowing what effect

their speeches will have, especially in Lancashire, where men are in

trade, and where profits and losses are affected by the words of

statesmen, they use the language of which I complain; and beyond this,

for I can conceive some idea of the irritation those statements must

have caused in the United States. I might refer to the indiscriminating

abuse of the hon. and learned Gentleman the Member for Sheffield; and I

may add to that the unsleeping ill-will of the noble Lord the Member for

Stamford. I am not sure that these two Members of the House are in the

least degree converted yet. I think I heard the hon. Member for

Sheffield utter to-night some ejaculation that looked as if he retained

all his old sentiments. [Mr. Roebuck: 'Exactly.'] I am sorry it is so. I

did expect that these things would be regretted and repented of; and I

must express my hope that if any one of you who have been thus

ungenerous shall ever fall into trouble of any kind that you will find

your friends more kind and more just than you have been to your fellow-

countrymen--for I will still call them so--at the other side of the

Atlantic. And as to the press, Sir, I think it is unnecessary to say

much about that, because every night those unfortunate writers are now

endeavouring to back out of everything they have been saying; and I can

only hope that their power for evil in future will be greatly lessened

by the stupendous exhibition of ignorance and folly which they have made

to the world.

Now, Sir, having made this statement, I suppose the noble Lord the

Member for Stamford, if he were to get up after me, would say: 'Well, if

all this be true--if we have done all these injurious things, if we have

created all this irritation in the United States--will it not be likely

that this irritation will provoke a desire for vengeance, and that the

chances of war are greatly increased by it?' I do not know whether the

chances of war are increased, but I will say that not only is war not

certain, but it is to the last degree improbable.

But, Sir, there is another side to this question. All England is not

included in the rather general condemnation which I have thought it my

duty to express. There is another side. Looking to our own population,

what have the millions been saying and doing--the millions you are so

much afraid of?--especially the noble Lord the Member for Stamford, who

objects to the transference of power to those millions from those who

now hold it, and, from his position, naturally objects. I beg leave to

tell the House that, taking the counties of Lancashire and Yorkshire--

your great counties of population--the millions of men there, whose

industry has not only created but sustains the fabric of your national

power, have had no kind of sympathy with the views which I have been

condemning. They have been more generous and more wise; they have shown

that magnanimity and love of freedom are not extinct. And, speaking of

the county from which I come--the county of many sorrows, whose griefs

have hung like a dark cloud over almost every heart during the last

three years--all the attempts which the agents of the Confederacy have

made there by money, by printing, by platform speeches, by agitation,

have utterly failed to get from that population one expression of

sympathy with the American insurrection. And, Sir, if the bond of union

and friendship between England and America shall remain unbroken, we

shall not have to thank the wealthy and the cultivated, but those

laborious millions whom statesmen and histories too frequently take

little account of. They know a little of the United States, which

Gentlemen opposite and some on this side the House do not appear to

know. They know that every man of them would be better off on the

American continent, if he chose to go there, and would be welcome to

every right and privilege that the people there are in possession of.

They know further that every man may have from the United States

Government a free gift of 160 acres of the most fertile land in the

world. [A laugh.] I do not understand that laugh, but the gift, under

the Homestead Act of America, of 160 acres of land is a great deal for a

man who has no land. I can tell you that the Homestead Act and the

liberality of the American Government have had a great effect upon the

population of the North of England, and I can tell you further--that the

labouring population of this country--the artisans and the mechanics--

will never join heartily in any policy which is intended to estrange the

people of the United States from the people of the United Kingdom.

But, Sir, we have other securities for peace which are not less than

these, and I find them in the character of the Government and people of

the American Union. I think the right hon. Gentleman the Member for

Buckinghamshire (Mr. Disraeli) referred to what must reasonably be

supposed to happen in case this rebellion should be put down--that when

a nation is exhausted it will not rush rashly into a new struggle. The

loss of life has been great, the loss of treasure enormous. Happily for

them, this life and this treasure have not been sacrificed to keep a

Bourbon on the throne of France, or to keep the Turks in Europe; the

sacrifice was for an object which every man could comprehend, which

every man could examine by the light of his own intelligence and his own

conscience; for if these men have given their lives and their

possessions, it was for the attainment of a great end, the maintenance

of the unity and integrity of a great country. History in future time

must be written in a different spirit from all history in the past, if

it should express any condemnation of that people. Mr. Lincoln, who is

now for the second time President of the United States, was elected

exclusively by what was termed the Republican party. He is now elected

by what may be called the Great Union party of the nation. But Mr.

Lincoln's party has always been for peace. That party in the North has

never carried on any war of aggression, and has never desired one. I

speak of the North only, the Free States. And let the House remember

that in that country landed property, property of all kind, is more

universally distributed than in any other nation, that instruction and

school education are also more widely diffused there than amongst any

other people. I say, they have never carried on hitherto a war for

aggrandizement or for vengeance, and I believe they will not begin one

now.

Canada, I think the noble Lord will admit, is a very tempting bait, not

indeed for the purpose of annexation, but for the purpose of humiliating

this country. I agree with hon. Gentlemen who have said that it would be

discreditable to England, in the light of her past history, that she

should leave any portion of her Empire which she could defend,

undefended. But still it is admitted--and I think the speech of the

right hon. Gentleman the Member for Calne (Mr. Lowe) produced a great

effect upon those who heard it--the House admitted that in case of war

with the United States, Canada could not be defended by any power on

land or at sea which this country could raise or spare for that purpose.

I am very sorry, not that we cannot defend Canada, but that any portion

of the dominions of the British Crown is in such circumstances as to

tempt evil-disposed people to attack it with the view of humiliating us,

because I believe that transactions which humiliate a Government and a

nation are not only disagreeable, but a great national harm.

But, now, is there a war party in the United States? I believe there is

such a party. It is that party which was a war party eighty years ago.

It is the party represented by hon. Gentlemen who sit on that bench--the

Irish party. They who are hostile to this country in the United States

are those who were recently malcontent subjects of the right hon.

Gentleman the Member for Tamworth. It is these, and such as these, to

whom the noble Lord at the head of the Government offers only such

consolation as that of telling them that 'the rights of the tenants are

the wrongs of the landlords,' who constitute the only war party in the

United States; and it was the war party there in the days of Lord North.

But the real power of the United States does not rest on that class.

American mobs--and, excepting some portion of the population of New

York, I would not apply the language even to them--for the sake of

forcing their Congress and their Executive to a particular course, are

altogether unknown. The real mob in your sense, is that party of

chivalrous gentlemen in the South, who have received, I am sorry to say,

so much sympathy from some persons in this country and in this House.

But the real power depends upon another class--the landowners throughout

the country, and there are millions of them. In this last election for

President of the United States, I was told by a citizen of New York, who

was most active in the election, that in the State of New York alone

100,000 Irish votes were given, as he expressed it, solidly--that is, in

one mass--for General M'Clellan, and that not more than 2,000 were given

for President Lincoln. You see the preponderance of that party in the

city of New York, and that is the feeling amongst them throughout the

State of New York; but, throughout the whole of the United States, it is

merely a small per-centage, which has no sensible effect upon the

constitution of Congress, or upon legislation or government.

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