I may leave that question there, because I can assure the noble Lord

that my hon. and learned Friend has not the smallest intention--I judge

so, at least, from his speech--of bringing anybody before the Committee

to attack or defend the policy of the Government in the war which then

unhappily took place. Nor do I suppose it is intended to arraign anybody

for a policy that sacrificed at least 20,000 human lives--20,000 lives

of the subjects of the Queen of England. Nor is it intended to inquire

how far the loss of more than 15,000,000_l_. sterling by that

policy has affected for all future time the finances and the

circumstances of the Government of India. These are crimes--the whole of

that policy is a crime--of a nature never to be answered for. No man can

accurately measure it. No Committee of this House could adequately

punish those who were the perpetrators of it. No, Sir, my hon. and

learned Friend has not the slightest idea of going back twenty years for

the purpose of bringing the noble Lord, or any one else who may be

guilty of that great crime, to the bar of public opinion by this

Committee.

But it is worth while that the House should know whether the Government

in whom it placed confidence at that time, and in whom the Queen placed

confidence--whether that Government was worthy of their confidence, and

whether any members of the Government of that day are members of the

Government at this day. It is worth while knowing whether there was and

is a man in high position in the Government here or in India who had so

low a sense of honour and of right that he could offer to this House

mutilated, false, forged despatches and opinions of a public servant,

who lost his life in the public service. Conceive any man at this moment

in India engaged, as many have been during the last three years, in

perilous services--conceive that any man should know that to-morrow, or

next week, or any time this year, he may lay his bones in that distant

land, and that six months afterwards there may be laid on the table of

this House by the noble Lord at the head of the Government, or by the

Secretary of State for India, letters or despatches of his from which

passages have been cut out, and into which passages have been inserted,

in which words have been so twisted as wholly to divert and distort his

meaning, and to give to him a meaning, it may be, utterly the contrary

to that which his original despatch intended to convey. I cannot

conceive any anticipation more painful or more bitter, more likely to

eat into the heart of any man engaged in the service of his country in a

distant land.

It is admitted, and the noble Lord has not flatly denied it--he cannot

deny it--he knows it as well as the hon. and learned Member for

Greenock--he knows it as well as the very man whose hand did the evil--

he knows there have been garbling, mutilation, practically and

essentially falsehood and forgery, in these despatches which have been

laid before the House. Why was it refused to give the original

despatches when they were asked for in 1842 by the hon. Member for

Inverness-shire (Mr. H. Baillie), and when they were asked for at a

later period by the hon. Member for Sheffield (Mr. Hadfield)? Why was it

that the originals were so consistently withheld? That they have been

given now I suppose is because those who were guilty of the outrage on

the faith of Parliament thought, as twenty years had elapsed, that

nobody would give himself the trouble to go into the question, and that

no man would be so earnest as my hon. Friend the Member for Greenock in

bringing the question before the notice of Parliament.

My hon. Friend the Member for Sheffield (Mr. Hadfield) informs me that

it was the noble Lord the Member for King's Lynn (Lord Stanley) who

consented to the production of the original despatches when he was in

office. I was not aware of that fact; but I am free here to tender him

my thanks for the course which he took. I am sure he is the last man

whom any one would suspect of being mixed up in any transaction of this

kind, except with a view to give the House and the country full

information with regard to it. I say, then, avoiding all the long speech

of the noble Lord, that the object of the Committee is to find out who

did this evil thing--who placed upon the table of the House information

which was knowingly false, and despatches that were actually forged--

because if you add to or detract from, or so change a coin, or note, or

deed, as to make any of them bear a meaning contrary to its original and

intended meaning, of course you are guilty of such an act as I have

described, and that is precisely what somebody has done in the

despatches which we are now discussing. I say an odious offence has been

committed against the House, and against the truth; and what we want to

know is, who did it?

Now, will the noble Lord be candid enough--he does not think there is

anything wrong--he says there is not much--it is very trifling--that Sir

Alexander Burnes's opinions are not worth much--supposing it to be so--

for the sake of argument, let me grant it; but if it is a matter of no

importance, will the noble Lord be so candid as to tell us who did it?

When Lord Broughton was examined before the Official Salaries Committee

some years ago, he, as the noble Lord is aware, said that he took upon

himself as President of the Board of Control at the time the entire

responsibility of the Affghan war. The noble Lord now at the head of the

Government was then a member of the India Board, and so I believe was

the noble Lord the Member for the City of London. But the noble Lord at

the head of the Government was also Secretary for Foreign Affairs. Now,

I do not think I am wrong in supposing that this question lies between

the noble Lord the Prime Minister and Lord Broughton, once a Member of

this House. This thing was not done by some subordinate who cannot be

found out.

My hon. and learned Friend says it has been done with marvellous care,

and even with so much ability that it must have been done by a man of

genius. Of course there are men of genius in very objectionable walks of

life; but we know that the noble Lord at the head of the Government is a

man of genius; if he had not been, he would not have sat on that bench

for the last fifty years. And we know that Lord Broughton is a man of

many and varied accomplishments. And once more I ask the noble Lord to

tell us who did it? He knows who did it. Was it his own right-hand, or

was it Lord Broughton's right-hand, or was it some clever secretary in

the Foreign Office or in the India Office who did this work? I say the

House has a right to know. We want to know that. We want to drag the

delinquent before the public. This we want to know, because we wish to

deter other Ministers from committing the like offence; and we want to

know it for that which most of all is necessary--to vindicate the

character and honour of Parliament. Nothing can sink Parliament to a

lower state of degradation and baseness than that it should permit

Ministers of the Crown to lay upon the table, upon questions involving

the sacrifice of 20,000,000_l_. of money and 20,000 lives,

documents which are not true--which slander our public servants, and

which slander them most basely when they are dead and are not here to

answer. I do not believe that the Gentlemen of England in this House--

upon that side of the House or upon this--will ever consent to sit down

with a case proved so clearly as this is without directing the

omnipotent power and eye of Parliament into the matter. I say, seeing

the charge, seeing that the noble Lord was at the head of the Foreign

Office at the time, that the policy of the Affghan war was always

considered to be his, that the responsibility of this act must rest

between him and Lord Broughton,--I should not like to hold the opinion,

and I do not hold the opinion, that the noble Lord will object to a

Committee to inquire into a matter in which he is himself so directly

concerned.

* * * * *

CANADA.

I.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, MARCH 13, 1865.

_From Hansard_.

[Delivered during the debate on Colonel Jervois' Report on the Defences

of Canada.]

I am not sure that I should have addressed the House on this occasion

but for the observations which have been made by the noble Lord. I think

he has been perhaps a little more frank in his declarations on this

occasion, and in pointing out the real thing which I suspect is passing

in his mind, and in the minds of very many Members of the House who have

made no statement of their own opinions during this debate. I hope the

debate will be useful, although I am obliged to say, while I admit the

importance of the question that has been brought before us, that I think

it is one of some delicacy. That it is important is clear, because it

refers to the possibility of war between this country and the United

States, and its delicacy arises from this--that it is very difficult to

discuss this question without saying things which tend rather in the

direction of war than in the direction of peace.

The difficulty which is now before us is this--that there is an

extensive colony or dependency of this country lying adjacent to the

United States, and if there be a war party in the United States--a party

hostile to this country--that circumstance affords to it a very strong

temptation to enter without much hesitation into a war with England,

because it may feel that through Canada it can inflict a great

humiliation upon this country. And at the same time it is perfectly well

known to all intelligent men, especially to the statesmen and public men

of the United States--it is as well known to them as it is to us--that

there is no power whatever in this United Kingdom to defend successfully

the territory of Canada against the power of the United States. Now we

ought to know that, in order to put ourselves right upon this question,

and that we may not talk folly and be called upon hereafter to act

folly. The noble Lord at the head of the Government--or the Government,

at any rate is responsible for having compelled this discussion; because

if a Vote is to be asked for during this Session--and it is only the

beginning of other Votes--it is clearly the duty of the House to bring

the subject under discussion. I think the Vote now is particularly

inopportune for many reasons, but especially as we have heard from the

Governor-General of Canada that they are about, in the North-American

Provinces, to call into existence a new nationality; and I, for one,

shall certainly object to the taxes of this country being heedlessly

expended in behalf of any nationality but our own.

Now, what I should like to ask the House is this--first of all, will

Canada attack the States? Clearly not. Next, will the States attack

Canada--I am keeping out of view England altogether? Clearly not. There

is not a man in the United States, probably, whose voice or whose

opinion would have the smallest influence in that country, who would

recommend or desire that an attack should be made by the United States

upon Canada with a view to its forcible annexation to the Union. There

have been lately, as we know, dangers on the frontier. The Canadian

people have been no wiser than some Members of this House--or than a

great many men amongst the richer classes in this country. And when the

refugees from the South--I am not speaking now of respectable and

honourable men from the South, many of whom have left that country

during these troubles, and for whom I feel the greatest commiseration,

but I mean the ruffians from the South--who in large numbers have

entered Canada and have employed themselves there in a course of policy

likely to embroil us with the United States--I say that the people of

Canada have treated these men with far too much consideration. They

expressed very openly opinions hostile to the United States, whose power

lay close to them.

I will not go into a detail of that which we are all sufficiently well

acquainted with--the seizing of American ships on the Lakes, the raid

into the State of Vermont, the robbing of a bank, the killing of a man

in his own shop, the stealing of horses in open day, and another

transaction of which we have very strong proof, that men of this class

actually conspired to set fire to the largest cities of the Union. All

these things have taken place and the Canadian Government made scarcely

any sign. I believe that an application was made to the noble Lord at

the head of the Foreign Office nearly a year ago, that he should

stimulate the Canadian Government to some steps to avoid the dangers

that have since arisen; but with that sort of negligence which has been

so much seen here, nothing was done until the American Government and

people, aroused by the nature of these transactions, showed that they

were no longer about to put up with them. Then the Canadian Government

and people took a little notice. Now, Lord Monck, the Governor-General

of Canada--about whose appointment I have heard some people complain,

saying that he was a mere follower of the noble Lord at the head of the

Government, who lost his election and was therefore sent out to govern a

province--Lord Monck, I am bound to say, from all I have heard from

Canada, has conducted himself in a manner very serviceable to the

colony, and with the greatest possible propriety as representing the

Sovereign there. Lord Monck has been all along favourable to the United

States, and I believe his Cabinet has also. I know that at least the

most important newspaper there has always been favourable to the North.

Still nothing was done; but the moment these troubles arose then

everything was done. Volunteers have been sent to the frontier; the

trial of the raiders has been proceeded with, and possibly they will be

surrendered; and the Canadian Chancellor of the Exchequer has proposed a

vote in their House of Parliament to restore to the persons at St.

Albans, who were robbed by the raiders, the 50,000 dollars that were

taken from them.

And what is the state of things now? There is the greatest possible calm

on the frontier. The United States have not a word to say against

Canada. The Canadian people have found that they were in the wrong and

have now returned to their right mind. There is not a man in Canada at

this moment, I believe, who has any idea that the United States

Government has the smallest notion of attacking them, now or at any

future time, on account of anything that has transpired between the

United States and Canada during these trials. But if there comes a war

in which Canada shall suffer and be made a victim, it will be a war got

up between the Government of Washington and the Government of London.

And it becomes us to inquire whether that is at all probable. Is there

anybody in this House in favour of such a war? I notice with general

delight--and I was not a false prophet when I said some time ago that

some day it would be so--I say I notice with delight the changed tone

manifested here with regard to these American questions. Even the noble

Lord the Member for Stamford (Lord Robert Cecil) can speak without

anger, and without any of that ill feeling which I am sorry to say on

past occasions he has manifested in discussing these questions.

Now, I believe there are no men out of Bedlam--or at least who ought to

be out of it--and I suspect there are very few men in Bedlam, who are in

favour of our going to war with the United States. And in taking this

view I am not arguing that it is because we see the vast naval and

military power and apparently inexhaustible resources of that country. I

will not assume that you or my countrymen have come to the conclusion

that it is better for us not to make war with America, because you and

they find her with a strength that you did not even suspect: I will say

that it is upon higher grounds that we are all against a war with the

United States. Our history for the last 200 years, and further back, is

a record of calamitous, and for the most part, unnecessary wars. We have

had enough of whatever a nation can gain by military successes and

military glory. I will not turn to the disasters that might follow to

our commerce nor to the wide-spread ruin that might be occasioned. I

will say that we are a wiser and a better people than we were in these

respects, and that we should regard a war with the United States as even

a greater crime, if needlessly entered into, than war with almost any

other country in the world.

Looking at our Government, we have preserved, with a good many blunders--

one or two of which I shall comment upon by-and-by--neutrality during

this great struggle. We have had it stated in this House, and we have

had a Motion in this House, that the blockade was ineffective and ought

to be broken. Men of various classes, some of them agents of the

Richmond conspiracy--persons, it is said, of influence from France--all

these are reported to have brought their influence to bear on the noble

Lord at the head of the Government and his colleagues, with a view of

inducing them to take part in this quarrel, and all this has failed to

break our neutrality. Therefore, I should say, we may clearly come to

the conclusion that England is not in favour of war; and if there should

be any act of war, or any aggression whatever, out of which Canada will

suffer, I believe honestly that it will not come from this country. That

is a matter which gives me great satisfaction, and I believe the House

will agree with me that I am not misstating the case.

Now let us ask, Is the United States for war? I know the noble Lord the

Member for Stamford (Lord Robert Cecil) has a lurking idea that there is

some danger from that quarter; I am not at all certain that it does not

prevail in other minds, and in many minds not so acute as that with

which the noble Lord is gifted. If we had at the Bar of the House, Lord

Russell as representing the English Government, and Mr. Adams as the

representative of the Government of President Lincoln, and if we were to

ask their opinion, they would tell us that which the Secretary for the

Colonies has this night told us--that the relations between the two

countries, so far as it is possible to discover them, are perfectly

amicable; and I know from the communications between the Minister of the

United States and our Minister for Foreign Affairs that they have been

growing more and more amicable for many months past. Now, I take the

liberty of expressing this opinion--that there has never been an

administration in the United States since the time of the Revolutionary

War, up to this hour, more entirely favourable to peace with all foreign

countries, and more especially favourable to peace with England, than

the Government of which President Lincoln is the head. I will undertake

to say that the most exact investigator of what has taken place will not

be able to point to a single word he--President Lincoln--has said, or a

single line he has written, or a single act he has done, since his first

accession to power, that betrays anger against this country, or any of

that vindictive feeling which some persons here may imagine to inflame

the breasts of the President and his Cabinet.

Then if Canada is not for war, if England is not for war, and if the

United States are not for war, whence is the war to come? That is what I

should like to ask. I wish the noble Lord the Member for Stamford had

been a little more frank. I should like to ask whence comes the anxiety,

which undoubtedly to some extent prevails? It may be assumed even that

the Government is not wholly free from it; for they have shown it in an

almost ludicrous manner by proposing a vote of 50,000_l_. It is

said the newspapers have got into a sort of panic. They can do that any

night between the hours of six and twelve o'clock, when they write their

articles. They are either very courageous or very panic-stricken.

It is said that 'the City' joins in this feeling. We know what 'the

City' means--the right hon. Gentleman alluded to it to-night. It means

that the people who deal in shares--though that does not describe the

whole of them--'the moneyed interest' of the City, are alarmed. Well, I

never knew the City to be right. Men who are deep in great monetary

transactions, and who are steeped to the lips sometimes in perilous

speculations, are not able to take broad and dispassionate views of

political questions of this nature.

As to the newspapers, I agree with my hon. Friend the Member for

Bradford (Mr. W. E. Forster) when, referring to one of them in

particular, he intimated that he thought its course was indicated by a

wish to cover its own confusion. Surely, after four years' uninterrupted

publication of lies with regard to America, I should think it has done

pretty much to destroy its influence on foreign questions for ever.

But there is a much higher authority--that is the authority of the

Peers. I do not know why we should be so much restricted with regard to

the House of Lords in this House. I think I have observed that in their

place they are not so squeamish as to what they say about us. It

appeared to me that in this debate the right hon. Gentleman (Mr.

Disraeli) felt it necessary to get up and endeavour to defend his chief.

Now, if I were to give advice to the hon. Gentlemen opposite, it would

be this--for while stating that during the last four years many noble

Lords in the other House have said foolish things, I think I should be

uncandid if I did not say that you also have said foolish things--learn

from the example set you by the right hon. Gentleman. He, with a

thoughtfulness and statesmanship which you do not all acknowledge, he

did not say a word from that bench likely to create difficulty with the

United States. I think his chief and his followers might learn something

from his example.

But I have discovered one reason why in that other place mistakes of

this nature are so often made. Not long ago there was a great panic

raised, very much by what was said in another place about France. Now an

attempt is made there to create a panic upon this question. In the hall

of the Reform Club there is affixed to the wall a paper which gives a

telegraphic account of what is being done in this House every night, and

what is also being done in the other House, and I find almost every

night from the beginning of the Session that the only words that have

appeared on the side which is devoted to a record of the proceedings of

the House of Lords are these, 'Lords adjourned.' The noble Lord at the

head of the Government is responsible for much of this. He has brought

this House into nearly the same condition. We do very little, and they

do absolutely nothing. All of us in our younger days, I am quite sure,

were taught by those who had the care of us a verse which was intended

to inculcate the virtue of industry. One couplet was to this effect--

'Satan still some mischief finds

For idle hands to do.'

And I do not believe that men, however high in station, are exempt from

that unfortunate effect which arises to all of us from a course of

continued idleness. But I should like to ask this House in a most

serious mood, what is the reason that any man in this country has now

more anxiety with regard to the preservation of peace with the United

States than he had a few years ago? Is there not a consciousness in our

heart of hearts that we have not during the last five years behaved

generously to our neighbours? Do not we feel in some sort a pricking of

conscience, and are we not sensible that conscience tends to make us

cowards at this particular juncture?

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