A. I only saw the construction site. When I was in Munich, Niebermann,

who was responsible for construction, told me that the Hungarian Jews

were poorly clothed and poorly fed in part. I then told the competent SS

man, whose name I no longer recall—but he was there in Munich, in

Niebermann’s office—and I pointed out to him that this was the

responsibility of the SS and he should see to it that these men were

decently clothed.

Q. Witness, do you recall any reports of deaths of Hungarian Jews on the

project?

A. Roughly, in October, our physicians told us that the fatalities in

Kaufering were higher than normal. I then commissioned that physician to

take up negotiations with the SS to improve conditions.

I should like to say explicitly that the Todt Organization was forbidden

to enter the camps. The physician tried to send medicines to the camp,

and was successful. I can remember a date, namely, one on which I was

operated on—that is why I remember it—in November, at which time the

physician told me that he had succeeded in bringing these bad hygienic

conditions to an end after considerable effort. I remember the date

because it coincided with a sickness of my own.

-----

[109] A group of experts, drawn from various phases of German industry

and supplemented by representatives of the various ministries.

[110] Tr. pp. 300-1.

[111] Survey is published as part of document in Nazi Conspiracy and

Aggression, vol. IV, pp. 120-126, U.S. Government Printing Office,

Washington, 1946.

[112] Defendant in case of U.S. _vs._ Oswald Pohl, et al. See Vol. V.

[113] Portions of this document were introduced by the defense as

Defense Exhibit 12. See pp. 561-62.

[114] Other portions of this document were introduced by the defense as

Defense Exhibit 13. See pp. 562-63.

[115] Portions of this document were introduced by the defense as Defend

Exhibit 16. See pp. 564-65.

[116] Another portion of this document was introduced by the defense as

Defense Exhibit 21. See pp. 565-66.

[117] Other portions of this document were introduced by the defense as

Defense Exhibit 23. See pp. 566-67.

[118] Kammler was one of the leading officials of the Economic

Administrative Main Office of the SS

[Wirtschafts-Verwaltungshauptamt—WVHA]. See case of _United States_ vs.

_Oswald Pohl, et al._, (_Vol. V_), concerning the WVHA which

administered the utilization of concentration camp labor.

[119] Document was Speer Exhibit 34 in Trial before International

Military Tribunal. See Trial of the Major War Criminals, vol. XVI, p.

589, Nuremberg, 1947.

[120] Defense Counsel, Dr. Bergold, explained (_Tr. p. 580_): “This

proves that the Fuehrer himself ordered these large construction works,

the execution of which is charged to the defendant.

Although I mentioned before that the Jaegerstab was of the opinion that

it could only build one factory, the order was given by Hitler to build

six. That was an impossible number. He delegated this duty to Mr.

Dorsch. That man had his orders from the Fuehrer and not from the

Jaegerstab, which, of course, was no longer responsible for his

activities.”

[121] Portions of this document were introduced by the prosecution as

Prosecution Exhibit 75. See pp. 544-45.

[122] DR. BERGOLD stated (_Tr. p. 567_): “I introduce this in order to

show that the Jaegerstab meetings not always prove who was there at a

certain given time and those meetings changed so that as far as the

defendant Milch is mentioned, this does not prove he was there all of

the time.”

[123] DR. BERGOLD explained (_Tr. p. 568_): “There was introduced by the

prosecution and also presented an exhibit from this Jaegerstab

conference where the term ‘construction company’ was mentioned in such a

way. Those were companies of concentration camp inmates. This explains

the term ‘construction company’ clearly.”

[124] Other portions of this document were introduced by the prosecution

as Prosecution Exhibit 75. See pp. 545-46.

[125] Chief of the Construction Department in the Speer Ministry.

[126] Ibid.

[127] DR. BERGOLD stated (_Tr. p. 751_): “The prosecution has alleged

that these great plants were made by slave labor, and I want to show

that this plant in which, according to the allegations of the

prosecution, Hungarian Jews were used, was not built by the Jaegerstab

and that therefore the prosecution has not proved altogether that the

Jaegerstab used Hungarian Jews.

The passage will show in a very short time that concentration camp

inmates were not used. * * *”

[128] Portions of this document were introduced by the prosecution as

Prosecution Exhibit 75. See pp. 550-52.

[129] Another portion of this document was introduced by the prosecution

as Prosecution Exhibit 75. See pp. 554-55.

[130] DR. BERGOLD stated (_Tr. p. 584_): “Your Honors, in all civilized

countries, also in Germany, penal prisoners have to work. If

concentration camp inmates were put to work in Germany, this was done

within the frame of the law which existed in Germany for the employment

of criminal prisoners. This was nothing special. This work of

concentration camp inmates cannot be considered slave work.”

[131] Other portions of this document were introduced by the prosecution

as Prosecution Exhibit 75. See pp. 555-57.

[132] Complete testimony is recorded in mimeographed transcript, 6, 7

Feb. 47, pp. 717-759.

[133] Complete testimony is recorded in mimeographed transcript, 24 Feb.

47, pp. 1361-1379.

4. GENERALLUFTZEUGMEISTER[134]

Evidence

_Prosecution Documents_

Doc. No. Pros. Ex. No. Description of Document Page

NOKW-311 62 Extract from interrogation of 597

Hermann Goering on 6

September 1946, regarding

Milch’s position as

Generalluftzeugmeister (GL).

NOKW-418 136 Extracts from stenographic 598

minutes of GL-Conference, 5

May 1942.

NOKW-407 137 Extracts from stenographic 599

minutes of GL-Conference, 27

May 1942.

NOKW-406 138 Extracts from stenographic 599

minutes of the GL-Conference,

7 July 1942.

NOKW-408 139 Extracts from stenographic 600

minutes of GL-Conference, 28

July 1942.

NOKW-409 140 Extracts from stenographic 601

minutes of GL-Conference, 4

August 1942.

NOKW-412 141 Extracts from stenographic 602

minutes of GL-Conference, 18

August 1942.

NOKW-416 142 Extracts from stenographic 602

minutes of GL-Conference, 26

August 1942.

NOKW-286 144 Extracts from stenographic 605

minutes of GL-Conference, 1

September 1942.

NOKW-245 157 Extracts from stenographic 606

minutes of conference with

Goering, 22 February 1943,

regarding plans for airplane

construction.

NOKW-449 148 Extracts from stenographic 607

minutes of GL-Conference, 2

March 1943.

NOKW-195 143 Extracts from stenographic 608

minutes of conference with

Goering, 28 October 1943.

NOKW-180 155 Extracts from stenographic 613

notes on the conference at

the Reich Marshal’s on

Thursday, 4 November 1943, 11

o’clock at the Junkers Plant

in Dessau.

_Testimony_

Extracts from testimony of defense witness Max Koenig 615

PARTIAL TRANSLATION OF DOCUMENT NOKW-311

PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 62

EXTRACT FROM INTERROGATION OF HERMANN GOERING ON 6

SEPTEMBER 1946, REGARDING MILCH’S POSITION AS

GENERALLUFTZEUGMEISTER (GL)

* * * * *

INTERROGATOR: Now to the Milch case: Who was commissioned after 1941

with the labor allocation in the Ministry for Air?

GOERING: What am I to understand by “labor allocation”?

Q. Labor allocation consisted of the drawing in of foreign workers or

German workers, especially of concentration camp inmates, in order to

free them for air force production.

A. This matter went through Udet, the Chief of Supply for the Air Force,

until Udet’s death, and then it went through Milch.

Q. In what manner did the Reich Air Ministry submit its requests to

Sauckel and the approximate figure for its requirements, the number of

workers, etc.? And if Sauckel received such a request from the Reich Air

Ministry, how did he undertake the distribution?

A. The requests were made by Milch, it was he who said how many workers

the air force needed, and these were forwarded to Speer. Speer then

asked Sauckel for the workers for the entire armaments branch, almost

for the entire industrial branch, and he then made the distribution. It

was he in the end who made the final decision as to how many workers

went to the air force for instance, how many to the army, etc. As far as

I know, Sauckel had actually nothing to do with the distribution of

labor. The contingent was put at the disposal of the authorities.

Terrific pressure was continually brought to bear on Sauckel. If the

requested number was not brought, he was given hell. I personally

presided over a meeting where there were differences between Sauckel and

Speer. He wanted to have more, etc. There was a mix-up and that’s how I

know it; but the needs of the air force were put forward by Milch, that

is the Chief of Supply for the Air Force. When difficulties arose and

they did not get the people, and the program threatened to break down,

then they came to me and I supported their demands.

* * * * *

PARTIAL TRANSLATION OF DOCUMENT NOKW-418

PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 136

EXTRACTS FROM STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF GL-CONFERENCE,

5 MAY 1942

[Two handwritten marginal notes at top of document:] Mi. 10.

Secret

_SHORTHAND TRANSCRIPT ON THE GL-CONFERENCE_

_PRESIDED OVER BY THE STATE SECRETARY, FIELD_

_MARSHAL MILCH, ON TUESDAY, 5 MAY 1942,_

_10 A.M. IN THE REICH AIR MINISTRY_

* * * * *

ALPERS: The reason given is shortage of labor. And in fact there are

2,000 men lacking at Heinkel-Oranienburg.

MILCH: As far as the French are concerned, 60,000 of the ones that we

had been promised are still missing.

(Comment: 40,000 are missing.)

If we get those men I would assign 2,000 to Heinkel-Oranienburg.

FRYDAG: The French become worse and worse; I threw out 80 of them who

will be sent to concentration camps in Russia. They refused to work. The

French say at 4 o’clock: “I won’t work another hour,” and you cannot

make them work another hour. This happened four weeks ago all of a

sudden, when the first bombing attack on Paris took place, while before

that the French were the best people.

MILCH: We were told in Oranienburg that they were good as long as they

didn’t get spoiled by our German people.

FRYDAG: It happened here after we got the French from Messerschmitt;

according to the French they got a warm meal twice a day there and had

their laundry done. We cannot do either. We don’t have a warm meal twice

a day either. At Messerschmitt the living conditions were better.

MILCH: Gablenz, I want you to get in touch with Reinecke concerning

these French. I demand that if the people refuse to work they

immediately be placed against the wall and shot before all the other

workers. I ask you to get in touch with the Reich Leader SS and to ask

him to discuss the matter with the Fuehrer. Now is the right time;

unless we do something effective now, the others will become bothersome.

I ask that their being sent to concentration camps be taken into

consideration too. I’ll tell you afterwards how you should act in such a

matter.

So I do not agree. You should make another proposal. At the beginning

you cannot expect more.

* * * * *

PARTIAL TRANSLATION OF DOCUMENT NOKW-407

PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 137

EXTRACTS FROM STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF GL-CONFERENCE, 27 MAY 1942

[Three handwritten marginal notes at top of document:] To my

files Mi. 14

Vossen/Dr. Reynitz/Ca.

Secret

_SHORTHAND TRANSCRIPT OF THE GL-CONFERENCE_

_PRESIDED OVER BY THE STATE SECRETARY, FIELD_

_MARSHAL MILCH ON WEDNESDAY, 27 MAY 1942,_

_9 A.M. IN THE REICH AIR MINISTRY_

* * * * *

VON GABLENZ: Yesterday, the first[135] has exploded in France, at the

Arade plant, an explosive, a float, but no damage has been done.

FIELD MARSHAL MILCH: What measures have been taken in consequence?—I

want to have a report on what has been done. How many people have been

shot and how many hanged? If that guy cannot be found today, fifty men

should be selected and if I were you I would hang three or four of them

whether they are guilty or not. It is the only way!

(Mahnke hands another letter to the Field Marshal.)

What do you think of that man?

* * * * *

TRANSLATION OF DOCUMENT NOKW-406

PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 138

EXTRACTS FROM STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF THE GL-CONFERENCE,

7 JULY 1942

[Two handwritten marginal notes at top of document:] St/R 21

Secret

_SHORTHAND TRANSCRIPT OF THE GL-CONFERENCE_

_PRESIDED OVER BY FIELD MARSHAL MILCH ON_

_7 JULY 1942, 10 A.M. IN THE REICH AIR MINISTRY_

* * * * *

FIELD MARSHAL MILCH: I do not like the engine. I have inspected it and

for the time being anyhow, I shall not take the 177 plane as a traveling

plane.

With regard to the output of Prague I want to say this: Of course, one

must recognize good output, even of a foreigner. On the other hand, as

far as the French are concerned, something must be done now. Gablenz,

ring up Toennes and tell him that this is a crazy situation [tolle

Schweinerei]. However, we would still try first to arrange it in a

friendly way through Toennes. If that does not succeed, then I intend to

fill the new Heinkel plant in the east entirely with Frenchmen brought

down there by force. If they don’t work in France, they may work as

prisoners in Poland. After all we have to remember that it is we, and

not the French, who have won the war.

* * * * *

TRANSLATION OF DOCUMENT NOKW-408

PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 139

EXTRACTS FROM STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF GL-CONFERENCE,

28 JULY 1942

[Two handwritten marginal notes at top of document:] St/R 24

Vossen/Dr. Jonuschat/C

Secret

_SHORTHAND TRANSCRIPT ON THE GL-CONFERENCE_

_PRESIDED OVER BY STATE SECRETARY FIELD_

_MARSHAL MILCH ON TUESDAY, 28 JULY 1942,_

_10 A.M. IN THE REICH AIR MINISTRY_

* * * * *

ALPERS: We have discussed whether a stronger pressure should not be put

upon French firms by both our liaison office and by us here. I have

talked with the French works managers myself. Actually they are all of

the same mind; they are willing to exert pressure, but then the workers

will leave them. In France there is no law that binds a worker to his

place of employment.

MILCH: As far as we are concerned, that is very difficult. But at the

very moment when the deadline is passed for me, I shall say: Now there

is no more French production. The workers are sent on leave or taken

away immediately for other work. The French always want the proportion

1:5, but they only reach 1:2.3. In reality they have very much more, as

we have received only old French junk. If we consider the actual output

that we have received, then the proportion is not even 1:0.2, but

exactly the contrary: 5:1 in favor of the French! At the present time we

receive 8 to 9 planes from the French. I could well imagine that they

get out 45 for themselves. I shall shut the shop with a single stroke

and have the workers and the machines come to Germany. If it does not

work on a voluntary basis, then we do it by compulsory contracts.

Perhaps I shall first give them a week to think it over.

(ALPERS: Amio himself is behind. For him the surfaces and tail

unit factories are situated just right.)

—It is a fact that, on the whole, these people work in silent

opposition. One cannot blame them for it either, it is true, but they

should not have started the war.

* * * * *

TRANSLATION OF DOCUMENT NOKW-409

PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 140

EXTRACTS FROM STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF GL-CONFERENCE,

4 AUGUST 1942

[Handwritten marginal notes] To my files, personally St/R 25

Secret

_SHORTHAND TRANSCRIPT ON THE GL-CONFERENCE_

_PRESIDED OVER BY FIELD MARSHAL MILCH_

_TUESDAY, 4 AUGUST 1942, 10 A.M. IN THE_

_REICH AIR MINISTRY_

* * * * *

GEYER: In the west there is a danger of the French going on strike in

the event of a British attack. In that case, the whole of the engine

supply would be severely handicapped.

MILCH: In such a case I would ask to be appointed military commander

myself. I would band the workers together and have 50 percent of them

shot; I would then publish this fact and compel the other 50 percent to

work, by beatings if necessary. If they don’t work, then they too will

be shot. I would get the necessary replacement somehow. But I hope the

military commander will do his duty. I’m not worried about it. The word

“strike” must never be used. For us there is only “living or dying”, but

not “striking”. That goes for the educated man as well as for the

worker, for the German [Inlaender] as well as for the foreigner. The

word “strike” means death for the man who uses it.

* * * * *

GABLENZ: Sauckel also made an effort but he does not have a completely

free hand. Lt. Col. Nickolai and Stending are still standing in between.

MILCH: In spite of all, he has brought in quite a tidy number. Sauckel

has brought over 1.6 million people to Germany, 1.3 million from the

east and the rest from other countries.

GABLENZ: We should not be sorry if Sauckel not only took care of getting

the workers, but also of distributing them. That way we would fare

better.

* * * * *

TRANSLATION OF DOCUMENT NOKW-412

PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 141

EXTRACTS FROM STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF GL-CONFERENCE,

18 AUGUST 1942

[page 1874 of original]

[Handwritten marginal notes on attendance list] St/R 27

* * * * *

[page 1932 of original]

FIELD MARSHAL MILCH: As soon as the figures for August are ready I

request an exact account for my report to the Reich Marshal and also for

the conferences which I want to hold with Sauckel and Speer beforehand.

This account is to show how the labor question has developed, how great

the fluctuation is and which nationalities it involves, what real

requests we now have to make in the different sectors in order to cover

the needs for specialists and for skilled and unskilled labor, how many

of them can be foreigners, etc.? What happens to those who leave the

industry? Are they being compelled to work elsewhere? Are they, as I

proposed, under control in the camps supervised by the SS and considered

as being in mild concentration camps, or are these gentlemen allowed to

remain outside and do as they please?

TRANSLATION OF DOCUMENT NOKW-416

PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 142

EXTRACTS FROM STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF GL-CONFERENCE,

26 AUGUST 1942

[Handwritten marginal notes] St/R 29

Secret

_SHORTHAND TRANSCRIPT OF THE CONFERENCE OF_

_THE DIRECTOR OF SUPPLIES PRESIDED OVER BY_

_FIELD MARSHAL MILCH ON WEDNESDAY, 26_

_AUGUST 1942, 11 A.M. IN THE REICH_

_AIR MINISTRY_

* * * * *

MILCH: Is Quartermaster General 6 here?

(Comment: Yes!)

Do you know anything about it?

(Comment: No!)

Ask about it and inform Colonel Brueckner!

FRYDAG: Another important consideration is the letter, which you

yourself have signed, Field Marshal, dealing with the expiration of the

labor contracts of the foreign workers. * * *

MILCH: The Reich Marshal [Goering] wanted to bind these people by law at

one time, that was one idea. The Fuehrer’s plan would be more favorable.

He wishes that the workers be gradually all replaced by Russians for

whom there is no longer such a thing as expiration of contracts.

(Comment: But there is a certain transition period!)

BRUECKNER: You, Field Marshal, have yourself put your signature to this

matter. The contracts are to be extended till 1 October 1943. I hope

that it will be done.

* * * * *

MILCH: On the other hand, a number of these people have been drafted

into the armed forces. But if I consider the others, I arrive all the

same at a monthly total of about 30,000 who loaf around and fluctuate

from job to job. According to the suggestions of the Reich Marshal,

these people are to come under the care of Himmler and are to be handled

severely there. What has been done, so far, in this regard? Brueckner,

you know about this matter, don’t you?

(BRUECKNER: Yes!)

You do not seem to be informed quite correctly. Sometime ago we were

quite irritated about the fact that so many workers move about from one

factory to another, most of them antisocial elements who do not like to

work and whom the firms are possibly glad to get rid of because they do

nothing but complain and grumble, do no proper work, are constantly

late, shirk work where they can, pretend to be sick, etc. These people

were supposed to be handled more severely, and about a year ago the

Reich Marshal issued an order and gave the Ministry of Labor the job of

dealing with this matter firmly. Then the Ministry of Labor issued an

explanatory order which was nothing but a sabotage of the order and the

desire expressed by the Reich Marshal. I reported to the Reich

Marshal—in the very words which I have just used—that in this case his

will was clearly being sabotaged by some lawyers or other poor fellows

and that I asked him to take measures against it. He told me that he

would talk the matter over with Himmler. That is, I had suggested to him

that this matter could only be settled with the help of Himmler’s

organization. The armed forces are not in a position to do it. The

suggestion had been made that the armed forces should take care of these

people in camps but these workers are not ready for that. They have not

been condemned and in no way violate the existing laws, but act only

against their country which certainly does not yet come within the

sphere of the old legal nonsense. That is why Himmler should get these

people into his clutches because he can treat them outside the law. My

suggestion was that the people should be put into camps or, in part,

just get numbers. The person involved would have a passport in which it

is entered that he is a German of this or that category, and that his

number is so and so. Then there are subsequent entries: At this or that

time he did not work, at this or that time he was late, etc. If he

“loses” this passport—because he doesn’t want to have it anymore—off

he goes to the concentration camp immediately; the same thing happens if

he does not show it when ordered to do so. Once every month the pass is

checked by the local SD. If it shows that the man has been ill, or late

thirty times in one month, then the SD takes him along and gives him a

job in which he has to work 14 hours a day and where he is treated in

the way he deserves if he is not willing. The Reich Marshal has approved

this suggestion. Nevertheless I have not yet seen anything of the kind

being carried out.

BRUECKNER: I know that such labor camps have been established.

MILCH: In that case I want you to tell me exactly during the next

conference, where these camps have been established, who is in charge of

them, and how do we get these honorable gentlemen who do not want to

work into them? * * * It is a simple matter to have these people taken

care of somehow by the SD. It has only got to be taken in hand. I want

to have a report on it as soon as possible. Otherwise I will talk to

Himmler about it myself and see that this matter is taken very firmly in

hand. I see in these people the greatest danger for the home front.

* * * * *

TRANSLATION OF DOCUMENT NOKW-286

PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 144

EXTRACTS FROM STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF GL-CONFERENCE,

1 SEPTEMBER 1942

[Handwritten marginal notes] St/R 31 To my files

Secret

_SHORTHAND TRANSCRIPT OF THE GL-CONFERENCE_

_PRESIDED OVER BY STATE SECRETARY FIELD_

_MARSHAL MILCH ON WEDNESDAY, 9 SEPTEMBER_

_1942, 10 A.M. IN THE REICH_

_AIR MINISTRY_

* * * * *

DEUTSCHMANN: Reports have come in from front repair workshops that up to

40 percent of the people simply do not come to work. Because of the

difficulties in the food supply they simply go out into the country in

order to have something to eat. At the plant Mechanical Workshops

[Mechanische Werkstaetten] I have found out that the Poles have not come

because Russian pilots had dropped propaganda material. In one case, I

have seen that about 50 percent of the workers failed to come.

MILCH: What do you do against that?

(DEUTSCHMANN: For the time being, I did not do anything.)

And where was that?—In Warsaw? In such a case, orders have to be given

that these workers get a good beating. And Russian prisoners of war are

used to give it to them.

DEUTSCHMANN: Just at the time when the Russians attacked I was planning

to have 200 Poles transported to western Germany in order to fill a gap

in the hoop production there. The conditions of procurement in Warsaw

were such that I could afford it; therefore, I had no special reason to

take measures.

MILCH: If those workers stay away from work just as they please then

they need a good beating and this punishment is to be administered by

Russians. Contact the SD; tell them that these workers had failed to

come to work and that I demand that they be punished and not by having

their food taken away from them but by the slightly milder punishment of

50 strokes each on their behind.

DEUTSCHMANN: Various unfortunate occurrences have happened together.

MILCH: I don’t care, these occurrences are none of my business. The

unfortunate occurrence for the person involved is when he gets his good

beating. And he should not fail to get it.

(DEUTSCHMANN: We have already drawn the attention of the Reich

Leader SS to it; something is going to be done about it.)

Such occurrences must not remain unpunished, they must not happen. If

those people mutiny and do not work, then I demand that some shooting is

done at those occasions. We do the same in Poland as the British do in

India, with the only difference that the British deal with their own

subjects, whereas we deal with the enemy. I want none of our people ever

to show lack of action. I make every section chief responsible to take

measures to that effect immediately. He is not to administer the

beatings himself but to go to the SD and demand that this or that is

done. What kind of measures they take we will leave to the SD, but I

want to have a report on what has been done in such cases! What do you

think would happen to a worker in Germany if he went on strike?

* * * * *

TRANSLATION OF DOCUMENT NOKW-245

PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 157

EXTRACTS FROM STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF CONFERENCE

WITH GOERING, 22 FEBRUARY 1943, REGARDING PLANS

FOR AIRPLANE CONSTRUCTION

* * * * *

MILCH: * * * Just now things are not going well. Sauckel has agreed with

Speer and myself that von der Heyde is to go to Paris to ascertain on

the very spot what may be taken away. If we want to maintain the program

we require an additional 80,000 workmen over there. Sauckel said he

recognized that and promised to deliver them. If the promise is kept all

will be all right.

REICH MARSHAL: What sense does it make to leave the workers there?

MILCH: There is no good will in France, and you can really not expect it

from these fellows. But we will force them to work by not feeding them.

REICH MARSHAL: I can do this here much better.

MILCH: That’ll get us nowhere. We shall then have to shut down the

plants in France.

REICH MARSHAL: The fault is this: Sauckel should have said: Milch, there

are too many skilled workers in that plant; take so-and-so many out for

your German plants; I am going to replace those skilled workers from our

French workers pool. Otherwise there is no sense in his taking them

away.

MILCH: Until six months ago we piloted the whole French industry by way

of the government, but since then we changed and took sponsor-firms. * *

*

REICH MARSHAL: I’ll tell Sauckel not to touch our industry at all. But

we must do it ourselves.

MILCH: I told Sauckel that we will cooperate on all matters on the very

spot, that we will get the thing done but not smash up anything that is

producing for us or is going to produce. He admitted that his men had

acted wrongly. * * * Speer and myself are of the opinion that he must be

incorporated somehow in the Central Planning in order to secure manpower

for us as well as the material. Now we got the first workers in

November; prior to that date none at all. Of course, by taking into

account the many fluctuations he arrives at fantastic figures. We try to

diminish the fluctuations with the aid of Himmler and Ley. The military

physicians are put in to examine the men. I have proposed that a man who

leaves his working place more than three times a year, should be put

into a detention camp and be released only when he stays on the very

spot. * * *

* * * * *

TRANSLATION OF DOCUMENT NOKW-449

PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 148

EXTRACTS FROM STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF GL-CONFERENCE,

2 MARCH 1943

[Handwritten marginal notes] To my files Mi

Secret

_SHORTHAND TRANSCRIPT OF THE GL-CONFERENCE_

_PRESIDED OVER BY THE STATE SECRETARY FIELD_

_MARSHAL MILCH ON TUESDAY, 2 MARCH 1943,_

_10 A.M. IN THE REICH AIR MINISTRY_

* * * * *

MILCH: Another question! All the reports from France show that the

French have got their heads full of political thoughts and ideas. On the

basis of the news they tell themselves: They are retreating on the

eastern front and the English and Americans are gradually getting afraid

that the Russians alone will be victorious. The French go on to say: If

the promises made to us by the Americans are really kept, our fortunes

are made. That has already led to our foreign workers slowly becoming

hostile. On principle I have to be informed of every case of

swinishness. I do not understand at all why Germany should put up with

it when Poles and Frenchmen explain to the people: Today indeed you are

still sitting in this work, but later we shall be the owners and if you

treat us properly we shall see to it then that you are shot dead

immediately and not tortured first. In all these matters energetic

interference must be made. I am of the opinion that there should be only

two types of punishment in such cases: firstly, a concentration camp for

foreigners, and secondly, capital punishment. If a certain number of

such hostile elements are removed and the others are informed, they will

then work better. Their love for us certainly won’t become any greater,

but neither will their hate, for it is already strong enough. In this

respect, too, energetic interference must be made and in no case must

the workers put up with it. The best method is to give the person

concerned one with a sledge-hammer and I shall treat with distinction

every man who does something like that whenever he hears such stupid

nonsense. We are living in a total war and the workers must be told that

they don’t have to put up with anything. Now the question is whether or

not the gentlemen believe on the whole that we achieve something worth

mentioning with our production in France. For then we must consider that

the establishments there will be besieged. Then the French would have to

be forced to come to Germany. There I must reflect on whether the

available means of compulsion are sufficient. That does not depend on

me. But, in the abstract, I see no difficulties in the way of getting

100,000 or 200,000 French workers to Germany, nor do I see any

difficulties in the way of keeping them in order. If a case of sabotage

occurs in one area, every tenth man in that area will be shot. Then such

acts of sabotage would cease of themselves. The western peoples are very

much afraid of death, while it is a quite different matter with the

Russians.

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PARTIAL TRANSLATION OF DOCUMENT NOKW-195

PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 143

EXTRACTS FROM STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF CONFERENCE WITH GOERING, 28

OCTOBER 1943

[Handwritten] Notes for Discussion No 116/43/KD st. 4th copy

[Signature] MILCH

_STENOGRAPHIC TRANSCRIPT OF THE DISCUSSION WITH_

_THE REICH MARSHAL ON 28 OCTOBER 1943,_

_12 O’CLOCK AT KARINHALL_

Subject: Allocation of Labor.

Effects of the Drafting of Laborers.

Participants:

Reich Marshal

Reich Minister Speer

Field Marshal Milch

Gauleiter Sauckel

General von der Heyde

Staatsrat Gritzbach

Ministerialrat Dr. Groennert

Ministerialdirektor Hildebrand

Landrat Berg

Lt. Colonel Biesing, GSC

Lt. Colonel von Brauchitsch, GSC

Director Frydag

Dr. Janicke/Dr. Eggeling/Bs

25 October 1943

* * * * *

MILCH: Interesting are the figures on the decrease of prisoners of war

where one had believed they would remain stable. Between January and

August the figure went down for the Russians from 22,000 to 19,000; for

the others, from 48,000 to 28,000. In the summer the prisoners of war

decreased from 70,000 to 48,000.

* * * * *

REICH MARSHAL: But here you report to me and to the Fuehrer: From 1

January to 30 September a total of 2,200,000 in manpower could be made

available for armament production,

(Comment by SAUCKEL: But not for the first time.)

among whom there are 770,000 prisoners of war. Through allocation

300,000 of these who had been drafted for armament and the armed

services, and those who left for other reasons, were replaced, and labor

for the most important armament industries was increased by 650,000,

from 5.3 million to 5.9 million.

(Reading continued.)

FRYDAG: Those are the total allocations.

(REICH MARSHAL: I took that to be net allocation.)

No, gross.

MILCH: The Luftwaffe has increased by 150,000 men; the army by 240,000;

the navy by 50,000; military administration has remained stable. For the

Wehrmacht armament alone, there has been an increase of 400,000 men.

Then other industries, including state railway [Reichsbahn], postal

service, experts basic materials industry, make a total increase of 5.29

million, i.e., an actual addition of 500,000 men in this whole area

within half a year.

* * * * *

REICH MARSHAL: Then there is one more question which again belongs here

and which in all seriousness must be discussed. Suppose that, in the

central sector of Holland, between Arnhem, Utrecht, and Dortrecht, I

place at your disposal for three days 15,000 young German

soldiers—recruits who have been there eight days, together with their

respective officers’ corps for handling the executive—to catch the

young Dutchmen (this would have to be carefully prepared, of

course)—would you expect good results? It goes without saying that

everything must be well organized in advance, transport to move them

out, camps to receive them here, far away from the Dutch frontier.

SAUCKEL: Considering the Dutch population figure that amounts to

something. However, the same should be done in Poland and France.

REICH MARSHAL: Naturally, after that has been done once, one has to

modify the system for the second blow. Then the Dutch people will no

longer be out in the streets on Sundays for pleasure promenades.

SPEER: Care should be taken though, not to affect the protected

industries which we have established there. Their workers are also out

for walks on Sundays.

REICH MARSHAL: First, all of the people must be brought together in a

pen [Pferch]; then they will be asked individually who works where, and

then the men will be selected accordingly.

SAUCKEL: We should like to set an example. However, I do not like to

rely on this alone for the next year; but I should like to ask that one

have the confidence in us that, reasonably speaking we are doing things

in the right way. The factories which Speer barred to us * * *.

REICH MARSHAL: Really I am not imposing. But when I constantly hear: I

could do very much if I only had the executive power, then I am ready to

assist you, not permanently, but then, for five days or one week, by

putting my men at your disposal. In France also we have training

regiments, and the army, too, could arrange to make certain units

available so as to make a big push.

SAUCKEL: If I may be permitted to speak quite frankly, the conditions

are as follows: All of our Military Commanders, and also our

Commissioners General—with the exception of Koch—also the general

governors, take the stand that in all of their regions the supreme law

is tranquility and order. Also during the present era of war these

German people still feel—after all that is typically German—the

inherent obligation of maintaining order in their country and of somehow

protecting the local population.

(REICH MARSHAL: They do not see Germany, but Seyss-Inquart sees

Holland only.)

That is the greatest difficulty which we face, and in spite of the

obduracy which is there I am of the opinion that we really have more

friends in these countries than we imagine. I shall place my reports at

your disposal, among them a detailed report of a Flemish man, an

economist who lives with his wife in Weimar, works there, and who at the

same time looks after the Flemish people in my district. The matter is

as follows: Our highest political authorities in these countries

cultivate to some extent social contacts with the local high society;

thus in Belgium, bluntly stated, with elite circles, the high financial

circles, and leaders of industry. They show to the German commanders in

chief a certain demeanor of courteousness and of conventionality and

thereby satisfy our gentlemen to a great extent. Under this mask,

however, they permit their nearest subordinate organizations to

persecute and harass everybody who is in any way friendly to Germany.

Unwillingly and without being suspected by our gentlemen [Herren] we

have in this manner placed the Germans who were there under pressure.

They all have become fearful, and they bar their minds against Germany,

and those who really did something for Germany resign.

* * * * *

REICH MARSHAL: * * * Our method of procedure in the expansion of the

large air fields, Sauckel, would then be that, we try, first of all, to

get a hold of the available labor in the vicinity of the harbors in

France, Belgium, and Holland which so far has not been recruited in any

manner by Speer or by the Luftwaffe, or by you—just as the Russians do,

and as the British now also are doing in Southern Italy and Sicily.

There is a scarcity of water there and he who loafs is not permitted to

come near the water tap. They are very strict on this point. Now, in the

fifth year of the war, we too must be just as strict. And over and above

this I still need workers who will be fetched from regions farther away

if those from the immediate vicinity are not sufficient. And then come

specialists, whom Speer makes available from his organization, the

engine operators and so forth. If I am to rearm the Luftwaffe with

everything that is conceivable now, I do need a considerable reserve

stock of laborers. Technical workers must be included. This is in

addition to the number necessary for fulfilling needs arising from

actual fluctuation and departure of workers. Now that would have to be

considered in detail.

SAUCKEL: May I call attention to the following: That which makes things

very difficult for me at the moment is the question of our currency. It

is a fact that prices in France, and in the entire west, are very much

out of proportion. If we bring the workers to Germany and, according to

German standards, we pay them just as well as the German workers, that

does not help them at all because their families living in the occupied

territories cannot buy anything with the money that the people transfer.

I should like to ask you, Herr Reich Marshal, to talk with Reich

Minister Funk and the other competent officials so that under all

circumstances and with all possible means the German mark will preserve

its purchasing power against the French franc, just as it was done on

the other side, during the World War.

REICH MARSHAL: All we need to do is to fix the rate of exchange, just as

was done at that time with the dollar, i.e., today the German mark

equals 20 francs, tomorrow 23, then 27, then 40, etc., etc., up to one

million, or one billion. We have had all that. The same holds true for

the guilder. One cigarette now costs in Holland 1.50 guilders; formerly

it cost 10 cents. I merely have to say: 1.50 guilders equal to 10

pfennigs, or one mark equals 15 guilders.

SAUCKEL: That would solve a big problem in the wage question.

REICH MARSHAL: The same is done in Belgium. I shall schedule a

discussion on that with Mr. Funk. With friendly nations it is more

difficult; nevertheless, there, too, we have to do it.

SAUCKEL: There is still something I should like to say. If this

large-scale recruiting is carried into effect, even with coercion, it is

nothing but compliance with laws which were promulgated there by their

own governments, except that the governments declare they lack the

executive power.

REICH MARSHAL: That is always the excuse; I simply shall give them the

executive power.

Well, let me summarize it once more. We undoubtedly are agreed on the

fact that what Sauckel brings to us here, and that which to us appears

as stocking up, has been subject to a natural compromise and actually a

greater number of people was necessary, to make up for the losses. If it

had been impossible to obtain more labor there would, of necessity, have

been a decrease, merely by reason of the draft, the increased rate of

disease during the war, deaths, etc. The decrease in prisoners of war

should really be insignificant unless there are modifications; on the

contrary, I should like to see that the prisoners of war who had been

released, Norwegians, and so forth, be taken again. Insofar as officers

are concerned this has been done to a certain extent. It was the

greatest nonsense ever committed by us and for which nobody thanks us.

We have made prisoners of entire armies and we let them go again. We do

not get anything from Norway?

SAUCKEL: No. Even Russians are being taken there, also French

specialists.

(REICH MARSHAL: Why?)

The tasks there are much bigger than the population could cope with.

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TRANSLATION OF DOCUMENT NOKW-180

PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 155

EXTRACTS FROM STENOGRAPHIC NOTES ON THE CONFERENCE AT

THE REICH MARSHAL’S ON THURSDAY, 4 NOVEMBER 1943,

11 O’CLOCK AT THE JUNKERS PLANT IN DESSAU

* * * * *

THE REICH MARSHAL: Give the prisoner-of-war camp [Stalag] commander my

greetings and tell him I said the Stalag is the biggest racket in

Germany and merely a camp where get-aways are being organized wholesale.

The men do not even have to bother to dig a tunnel, since they can walk

out freely in broad daylight. The Italians get beaten up when they do

not work. * * * It is absolutely useless to take the Italians as

soldiers, for they report for duty, it is true, but then they bolt

again. We need them here, however, as workers for the 100,000 men

operation. In the second place, why do we not get the machines? If I

want to have them, I just have to occupy a factory by surprise.

MILCH: There are no transportation facilities to make this possible. We

have to let certain plants go on working in Italy, such as ball

bearings, steel castings, and others, and we cannot take the people from

there. The same applies to the technical sphere. The people there are

working for us. All depends on our policy toward the Italians. I have

ordered that they can be beaten up if they do not work. I have also

given permission that Italians caught sabotaging be sentenced to death.

If this measure is not desired by the higher authorities, which seems to

be the case, we are powerless; then the Italians in the Reich will not

be of any use to us, and they will not do anything down there either.

Now the Italian has found the way out, he goes into the militia and,

once he is over there, he bolts. There is one other way to make him

work; if we do not provide the Italian with food and tell him: only

those who fight and work for us will get food.

(THE REICH MARSHAL: That is what the Americans do!)

Why do we not do it? In my opinion we should try to get the machines by

force. We can manufacture 1,000 pursuit planes in Italy and the engines

for them. The engines will go only through Junkers, the other parts only

through Messerschmitt. I should like to have the 109 and the 605 in

Italy while they are still working, so that we can modernize our

factories. We have the further advantage that the enemy drops his bombs

not only on Germany, but also on Italy. We can disperse industry there

in small valleys and we need not use the big Milan plants. The situation

there is rather favorable.

THE REICH MARSHAL: Above all, this question must be discussed at once

with the Fuehrer.

(End of the conference at 11:45 p.m.)

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The Reich Marshal of the Greater German Reich

Adjutant’s office

Adj. 2019-43 top secret

[Pencil note] For my files

Berlin W 8 Leipziger Str. #3

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Headquarters, 12 Nov. 1943

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To the State Secretary for Aviation and Inspector General of the Air

Force, Field Marshal Milch.

Reich Air Ministry

Forwarded herewith for your attention and further handling are the

uncorrected stenographic notes on the conference at the Reich Marshal’s

[Office] on 28 October 1943.

Inclosure:

Notes on conference No. 116-13

Top Secret—4th copy.

[signature] BRAUCHITSCH

Lieutenant Colonel, GSC and Chief Adjutant

EXTRACTS FROM TESTIMONY OF DEFENSE WITNESS MAX KOENIG[136]

_DIRECT EXAMINATION_

DR. BERGOLD: Will you please give the Court your first name and second

name?

WITNESS KOENIG: Max Koenig.

Q. When were you born?

A. 19 August 1897.

Q. What was your last position in the war with the Wehrmacht?

A. Lieutenant colonel in the reserve.

Q. And where were you?

A. With the commander of the Luftwaffe in Rechlin in charge of the

testing station.

Q. Is it known to you, Witness, whether and what sort of orders, if at

all, Milch gave with reference to the treatment of so-called terror

pilots?

A. My department was subordinate to the GL, and therefore received

orders from that office concerning the treatment of pilots who had made

emergency landings, and such orders were to the effect to inform the

Buergermeister [mayors] and the councillors that the prisoners who had

made emergency landings should be sent to Oberursel at once.

Q. Then were these orders given or were they repeated in certain cases?

A. I myself went there in 1942 to that office and I remember very well

that the first orders in this respect were given in 1943 and then in

1944.

Q. Have these orders provided for the taking of prisoners of all pilots

by the Luftwaffe and taking them to Oberursel?

A. The GL ordered, followed by the threatening of heavy punishment if

the orders were not followed, that all pilots who bailed out or made

emergency landings should be taken at once in the quickest way possible

to Oberursel.

Q. Did you transmit these orders to the mayors and councillors of your

district?

A. These orders were passed on by the commander of the testing station

to the ground organization of the base, passed on to all Buergermeister

and the city councillors.

Q. Can you confirm that these orders came from Milch?

A. They came from the GL. It was even ordered how we should proceed. As

far as I can recall we were ordered, among other things, that the

contents of their pockets should be taken away from the pilots and sent

to Oberursel with an accompanying letter.

Q. Did you know at that time that the Party wanted the pilots to be

treated in a different manner?

A. I did not know that for we in Rechlin had hardly any contact with the

Party.

Q. Therefore, you never corrected orders from the Party? Or would you

have done this?

A. No. We were subordinate to the GL, and, therefore, we could only take

orders from that superior office.

Q. Witness, what do you know within your office as to how concentration

camp inmates were treated?

A. I should say this: When labor was requested for the building of a

pillbox, we were given a detachment from Oranienburg. These prisoners

were housed by the evacuating of our testing station, that means our

German soldiers, in Laerz, and prisoners from the concentration camp at

Oranienburg were moved into the billets of the German soldiers. There

were about a thousand of these.

Q. Were the barracks in good condition?

A. They were not barracks in the bad sense of the word. They were the

best billets which we had at our disposal in Laerz. They were new

buildings and contained, apart from the living rooms, a theater room,

and a big kitchen with, I believe, four stoves. I know the camp because

I visited it repeatedly.

Q. Witness, what orders did you receive for treating of those people by

the GL?

A. I remember two orders that were to the effect that all those who

actually worked, whether foreigners or concentration camp inmates,

should be treated well in order to save their good health and in order

to increase their production.

Q. What has been done for that purpose?

A. As far as their health was concerned, under this order, I repeatedly

saw to it that I obtained medical supplies from the hospital [Revier] of

Rechlin.

Q. What you call the Revier is the hospital ward?

A. “Revier” is the sickroom which, considering the bigness of the

agency, is approximately the equivalent to a hospital * * *.

Q. Let us go back to concentration camp inmates. What has been done in

health matters?

A. Near Rechlin, there was an estate called Boek. This estate consisted

of several thousand acres and apart from potatoes and turnips also

produced wheat. On orders from the GL we received from that estate for

the commando in Laerz and for the concentration camp and for the foreign

workers large quantities of goods produced there.

Q. These concentration camp inmates; were they exploited unfairly?

A. I can say this—I myself was in the hall east from there up to the

building of the commander, which was about a kilometer and a half. The

foreign workers and concentration camp inmates lived in smaller and

bigger groups and worked in such groups, but I could always observe them

when I walked along the lanes. It seemed that when the civilian and

other employees there were still working, the concentration camp groups

had already stopped working because they had to be in their camp at a

certain time. The time they needed to march to and fro was part of their

working hours.

Q. Were they told to work particularly fast, or particularly heavy?

A. I can say this that I could really judge them because after all I saw

them almost daily. Their work was not particularly slow, it wasn’t

particularly fast. And one couldn’t say they were driven on.

Q. Were these people happy or did you hear complaints?

A. Should complaints have occurred I would have been the first to hear

about them for it would have been my job to hear them, because I headed

the particular office for food and treatment which was the liaison

office between ourselves and the Stalags. I even listened at times to

outbursts of joy. And from the liaison office we bought everything,

beginning from cigarettes and other small gifts, foodstuffs, etc. This

was used both in the camps and foreign workers, and the foreign workers

were always running about freely there.

Q. Did your office ask for concentration camp inmates or were they sent

to you by labor exchange on the basis of assignment of labor?

A. We had to use two ways, we had to use two channels here—one through

labor exchanges and the other through the GL who ordered labor for us

and on the basis of our application with the labor exchanges and the GL,

this special commando and attachment came, whether on the basis of our

application I really don’t know.

Q. Did you request concentration camp inmates or simply workers?

A. I may say quite frankly here I asked for German workers and I

expected they would turn up but as we were under orders to maintain

secrecy, neither did I think of foreign workers nor concentration camp

inmates.

* * * * *

_CROSS-EXAMINATION_

MR. DENNEY: Just what was your job in Rechlin?

A. I was I B or I Bertha—that means an organization, and my job was

looking after the army.

* * * * *

Q. Well, in your position having to do with figures you possibly were

concerned with labor in Rechlin?

A. From Rechlin we were ordered to build a shelter in Laerz, and to

carry this out we had to ask for labor.

Q. Didn’t they consolidate requests for labor and give them to you and

you would send them up?

A. Requests were sent on to the labor offices on the one hand, and on

the other hand to the GL.

Q. And they were sent by you?

A. They were sent by the commanding officer of the testing station, that

is, to say, my superior officer.

Q. But you got them up and gave them to him to send them on?

A. I worked on them and passed them on to my commanding officer.

Q. You said that you had concentration camp workers—you also had

foreign workers didn’t you?

A. There were about 1,000 concentration inmates and a certain number of

foreign workers—Russians, French, and Italians.

Q. Did you have any prisoners of war?

A. Yes. We had some prisoners of war.

Q. How many people were employed there altogether?

A. In Rechlin, prisoners of war and foreign workers, Germans, altogether

there were 4 to 5 thousand.

Q. Well, now we have got 1,000 concentration camp workers. So that

leaves 3 to 4 thousand. How were those broken down among prisoners of

war, foreign workers, and Germans?

A. Prisoners of war, roughly 500. There were about 300 foreigners, and

the rest were German civilians and German military personnel.

Q. Now, these concentration camp workers, were they guarded?

A. They were guarded in their own camps and in some cases on trucks were

taken to their places of work on the east Boek airstrip.

Q. And the foreigners, were they guarded?

A. I think they were at first a little guarded or, let us say, not at

all.

Q. How about the prisoners of war?

A. The prisoners of war were under a similar condition as there were not

very many guards at our disposal—guards were very few.

Q. You talked about the concentration camp people marching back and

forth. Were they marching under guard?

A. Yes. They marched under guard.

Q. In the stockade?

A. They were in large camps or huts under stockade and under guard.

Q. Was there barbed wire around it?

A. Yes. There was barbed wire.

Q. And guards walking around?

A. And guards, yes.

A. Armed guards?

A. Yes. They were armed.

Q. Now, you told about passing on these orders about the terror fliers

to the Buergermeister [mayor]. The order that you spoke of that you got

from the defendant?

A. From the GL.

Q. The GL was Field Marshal Milch?

A. That was Herr Milch.

Q. And you gave those orders on to the Buergermeister about the

so-called “terror fliers”?

A. The Buergermeister and county councillors.

Q. And then one day you heard about four fliers who had parachuted or

made a forced landing—anyway they came down—and you sent your soldiers

over there and you were told that they were not available?

A. No. The officer came back and said that the police had arrested the

four pilots who had made a forced landing, contrary to our order and

contrary to the regulations where the telephone number of our airfield

had to be passed on to the Buergermeister. The report to the

Buergermeister had the purpose to inform the airfield as quickly as

possible so that from there a truck could pick up the pilots.

Q. Which police had taken these four fliers?

A. Unfortunately, I do not know. The officer of the airfield came back

and reported that the police had fetched them. He didn’t see the police.

He merely was informed by the Buergermeister of this.

Q. And then what did you do? Did you call the Buergermeister up?

A. No. We passed this on to the airfield and the airfield reported this

to the Luftgau. The Luftgau is the next superior office above the

airfield.

Q. Did they ever get these four fliers back?

A. No.

Q. They never got them back?

A. I do not know where they were taken to.

Q. You were the second man at Rechlin. You know that these orders were

passed on to the Buergermeister that you received through your immediate

superior from the Generalluftzeugmeister?

A. I was not the second man. I was E commander—commander of that

office. I was purely an expert in I B. I was concerned in this because

Colonel Petersen of the SD commando ordered the airfield should make

investigations because of the Milch order to the effect that every pilot

should be at once taken to Oberursel.

Q. At any rate, you didn’t do anything about this after you heard it?

A. Oh, yes. The report was immediately sent to the Luftgau that the

pilots had been taken away.

Q. Did you send the report?

A. No. The report had to be sent by the competent office of the ground

organization—namely, the airfield.

Q. You never made any effort to find out what happened to these four

Allied fliers?

A. Oh, yes, that was passed on at once and the airfield having received

it sent it on to the Luftgau and continued to work on this matter. What

happened at the end I could not possibly find out because the Luftgau,

the next highest office, had to report on it through those channels of

command.

Q. You never tried to find out, did you? Did you ever call up anybody

over at the Luftgau and ask them what happened to these four fliers?

A. No. I could hardly do that because I belonged to the testing station

and there was a certain amount of dualism. It was rather like air

activity on the one hand and the ground organization on the other.

Q. You knew what the Hitler order was about terror fliers, didn’t you?

A. Yes. I learned about this much, much later after this emergency

landing in 1944. I heard about this in 1945 when I was interrogated in

Munich by the Reich Marshal Special Court.

Q. What nationality were these pilots?

A. I could not say that. I assumed they were Americans, but I could not

say that with certainty because we never saw the insignia of the

aircraft nor even the pilots themselves as we did not take them

prisoners.

Q. Were there any SD units around where you were?

A. In Rechlin itself, no, but my chief, Petersen, and I myself learned

later on that we were supervised by the SD service.

Q. You say that in your position you would have heard complaints from

any of the workers, of whom you had four to five thousand of whom

approximately two-thousand were made up of concentration camp workers,

prisoners of war, and foreign workers. You never got a single complaint

from any of those people, is that right?

A. No. I can only confirm that repeatedly the foreign workers gave

expressions of their gratitude for having this liaison office, which

consisted of a sergeant, and for the additional supplies which they thus

got from the Stalag. Strictly speaking, we would have been forbidden to

enter the concentration camp compound because it was part of

Oranienburg, and Oranienburg was an SS agency.

Q. So you never were inside, were you, in the concentration camp?

A. I went repeatedly there. I myself attended the hospital hours. That

is to say, I looked at the ill people before they saw the doctor and I

asked the doctor afterwards if he needed anything, and thereupon I got

the medical supplies from the airfield and for that purpose I was able

to do this because I was supported by the order of the GL.

Q. The Generalluftzeugmeister was able to arrange it so you could go

into the camp and look around?

A. On the basis of the order where it was my duty to look after the

people that they should be well-treated and well-looked after and,

therefore, I was admitted into their compound.

Q. And the compound was under the jurisdiction of the SS who had

jurisdiction over * * *.

A. (Interrupting) Yes. That was under the jurisdiction of the SS.

Q. And they had jurisdiction over all of the concentration camps?

A. I didn’t know that but all I know is that they came from Oranienburg

and that the regulations concerning that compound came from Oranienburg.

Q. You knew that Himmler was head of the SS?

A. I heard about that in 1945.

Q. In 1945 you found out that Himmler was the Reich Leader SS?

A. Yes.

Q. I have no more questions.

JUDGE MUSMANNO: Witness, you mean you did not know, before 1945, of the

power Himmler had in the SS?

A. No, your Honor. Particularly in the testing station we did not

discuss that nor did we receive many reports there. The attitude of my

chief—I may perhaps say here, of the GL himself—it was known what

their attitude was towards the Party. We ourselves were under the

Gauleiter of Mecklenburg who supervised us. Therefore, we went to no

trouble to look into other matters.

PRESIDING JUDGE TOMS: This testing station was in Germany, wasn’t it?

A. Yes. Rechlin is roughly 120 kilometers northeast of Berlin on the

Muelef Lake [northwest of Berlin on Lake Mueritz].

Q. And an officer of the German army, 120 kilometers from Berlin, didn’t

know who Himmler was until 1945?

A. Of course, I knew that Himmler was a Party member but that Himmler

had all the concentration camps under him I really didn’t know until

very much later.

Q. But you knew he was head of the SS?

A. I knew that he was an SS commander. I did not know until then that he

was the head of the SS.

JUDGE PHILLIPS: How many concentration camp victims did you hear were

killed up to 1945, starved to death and killed?

A. I did not know that and I only learned it from press notices which

came out in connection with the Nuernberg trials.

Q. How many concentration camp workers were killed in your camp?

A. Nobody was tortured or killed in our camp; not even one man.

Q. Did any of them die a natural death while you were there?

A. Nobody died; I can confirm to the Court that both the health and the

individuals’ happiness was such that there was neither case of death nor

complaint.

PRESIDING JUDGE TOMS: The name of this concentration camp I must know.

What was it?

A. The camp was near Rechlin and was an agency attached to Oranienburg.

Q. That was Oranienburg you were talking about?

A. It must have been a branch of Oranienburg. Up to my resignation on 31

January 1945, neither a torture nor a fatality occurred there. I said

that before, your Honor, and I should like to repeat it.

Q. Don’t repeat it.

JUDGE MUSMANNO: How many inmates were there in this camp; what was the

population of this camp?

A. The camp was roughly about 1,000 people strong.

Q. And how long were you there?

A. From October 1942 until 31 January 1945.

Q. And you say that in approximately three years’ time there was not one

death in this camp?

A. Your Honor, the camp was not founded in 1942; as far as I can

remember, it only came at the end of 1943 or early in 1944. I cannot

give you the exact figure of the arrivals. I think it must have been at

the end of 1943 or the beginning of 1944.

Q. And in all that time there was not one single death in the entire

camp?

A. Your Honor, I had not heard of one single case of death. Should one

case of death have occurred, it is possible that the SS in Oranienburg

would have been told. We ourselves had not heard of one case of death in

that camp, but during the day we assigned SS men in various groups.

Q. Do you mean this camp was functioning as a health resort?

A. On that, I can say, your Honor, that after the end of the war, I

heard that before the end of the war when people left, they left very

reluctantly, because there they were given food just as much as was

corresponding to their performance and, in turn, they were actually able

to work there.

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[134] Generalluftzeugmeister was translated as: Aircraft Master General,

Air Ordnance Master General, Chief of Supply for the Air Forces, Chief

of Air Forces Special Supply and Procurement Service, Director of

Supplies, and Director General of Air Force Equipment.

[135] Word is missing in German original document.

[136] Complete testimony is recorded in mimeographed transcript, 17 Feb.

47, pp. 1189-1204.

B. Medical Experiments

a. Introduction

The defendant Milch was charged with participation in criminal medical

experiments. On this charge he was acquitted. Both the judgment and the

concurring opinions deal extensively with this topic; also Volume I of

this series, and the first part of the present volume, contains

considerable documentation from Case I (the Medical Case) on the same

medical experiments for participation in which the defendant Milch was

indicted. Hence, only a small portion of the evidence on medical

experiments offered in the Milch Case has been included in the present

volume. Some of the prosecution documents which were directly related to

the defendant Milch have been included here as well as the testimony of

the defense witness SS General Wolff. Documents NO-285, NO-289, NO-224,

343-A-PS, and 343-B-PS, published as part of the Medical Case, were also

introduced in the Milch Case. Further defense testimony on this topic

may be found by consulting the official record.

The following defendants in Case I (the Medical Case) testified as

witnesses for the defendant Milch: Hans Wolfgang Romberg, Wolfram

Sievers, Hermann Becker-Freyseng, Georg August Weltz, and Rudolf Brandt.

In addition, six other defense witnesses testified regarding the medical

experiments: Erich Hippke, Walter Neff, Dr. Leo Alexander, Siegfried

Ruff, Karl Wolff, and Gerhard Engel. See list of witnesses for dates and

transcript page references on pages 889-90.

b. Evidence

PROSECUTION DOCUMENTS

Doc. No. Pros. Ex. No. Description of Document Page

NOKW-041 113 Sworn statement by Hermann 626

Goering, 27 September 1946,

concerning Milch’s position

as Inspector General of the

Luftwaffe.

NO-219 83 Letter from Dr. Rudolf Brandt 626

to Dr. Rascher, 27 April

1942, concerning medical

experiment report for Himmler

and Milch.

NO-261 89 Letter from Milch to Dr. 626

Hippke, 4 June 1942,

concerning availability of

low-pressure air chamber for

experiments.

1607-B-PS 115 Letter from Dr. Rascher to Dr. 627

Brandt, 20 July 1942,

concerning report on

high-altitude experiments.

1607-A-PS 115 Letter from Himmler to Milch, 628

25 August 1942, concerning

Dr. Rascher’s report on

high-altitude experiments.

1617-PS 111 Letter from Himmler to Milch, 629

13 November 1942, concerning

Rascher’s transfer to the

Waffen SS.

NO-262 119 Letter from Dr. Hippke to SS 631

Obergruppenfuehrer Wolff, 6

March 1943, concerning

Rascher’s transfer to the

Waffen SS.

TRANSLATION OF DOCUMENT NOKW-041

PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 113

SWORN STATEMENT BY HERMANN GOERING, 27 SEPTEMBER 1946,

CONCERNING MILCH’S POSITION AS INSPECTOR GENERAL

OF THE LUFTWAFFE

I, Hermann Goering, swear, depose, and state:

That I am the former Reich Marshal of the German Reich and the former

Commander in Chief of the Luftwaffe, that I have personal knowledge of

all the facts stated here, and that I know these facts because of the

position and responsibility which I had in the German Reich.

That in approximately 1939 the former Field Marshal Erhard Milch was

appointed Inspector General [Generalinspekteur] of the Luftwaffe and

that as such he was directly responsible to me for the performance of

his duties.

That the Inspector General of the Luftwaffe was in charge of all tasks

and responsibilities, with the exception of those which were concerned

with tactical operations (the latter were handled by my Chief of Staff).

The supervision of the inspections, as well as the affairs of the health

and medical inspections, was included in the tasks of the Office of the

Inspector General. Special questions, however, such as the number of

hospitals to be put at the disposal of the individual air fleets, fell

within the province of my Chief of Staff.

That Generaloberstabsarzt [Lt. Gen., Medical Service] Dr. Erich Hippke

was Chief of the Medical Service [Sanitaetswesen] of the Luftwaffe

during the years 1941 till 1944 inclusive; that the Office of the Chief

of the Medical Service was directly responsible for the execution of all

medical research and experiments; that the Office of the Chief of the

Medical Service, i.e., Hippke’s office, was directly subordinated to the

Inspector General, the former Field Marshal Milch.

I have read the foregoing deposition consisting of two pages, in the

German language, and declare that it is the full truth to the best of my

knowledge and belief. I have had the opportunity to make changes and

corrections in the above statement. I made this declaration voluntarily

without any promise of reward, and I was not subjected to any duress or

threat whatsoever. Nuernberg, 27 September 1946.

[Signed] HERMANN GOERING

TRANSLATION OF DOCUMENT NO-219

PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 83

LETTER FROM DR. RUDOLF BRANDT TO DR. RASCHER, 27 APRIL 1942, CONCERNING

MEDICAL EXPERIMENT REPORT FOR HIMMLER AND MILCH

Top Secret

XI a-59

Fuehrer Headquarters, 27 April 1942

1198/42

Bra-N

To SS Untersturmfuehrer Dr. Sigmund Rascher

Munich

56 Troger Street

Dear Comrade Dr. Rascher:

The Reich Leader [Himmler] has seen your letter of 16 April 1942. He has

shown the same interest in this report as in the one you sent recently.

He would like you to make up for him an over-all report on the

experiments carried out to date, which he would like to present

personally to Field Marshal Milch.

Kind regards to your wife and yourself,

Heil Hitler!

Yours

[initialed] R. Br.

SS Obersturmbannfuehrer

TRANSLATION OF DOCUMENT NO-261

PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 89

LETTER FROM MILCH TO DR. HIPPKE, 4 JUNE 1942, CONCERNING

AVAILABILITY OF LOW-PRESSURE AIR CHAMBER FOR EXPERIMENTS

The State Secretary for Aviation and Inspector General of the

Luftwaffe

Berlin W 8, Leipziger Street 7, 4 June 1942

Telephone 12 00 47

Dear Herr Hippke!

According to the agreement with the Reich Leader SS the low-pressure air

chamber for experiments in the neighborhood of Munich is still to be

available for two further months.

Moreover, Stabsarzt Dr. Rascher is, in addition to his tests in the

Luftwaffe, to be on duty for the present for the purposes of the Reich

Leader SS.

Heil Hitler!

Yours

Generaloberstabsarzt Professor Dr. Hippke

Berlin-Tempelhof.

Copy

SS Obergruppenfuehrer and General of the Waffen SS Wolff

Berlin SW 11.

Heil Hitler!

and kind regards,

Yours,

[signature] MILCH

PARTIAL TRANSLATION OF DOCUMENT 1607-B-PS

PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 115

LETTER FROM DR. RASCHER TO DR. BRANDT, 20 JULY 1942, CONCERNING REPORT

ON HIGH-ALTITUDE EXPERIMENTS

Stabsarzt Dr. Rascher

Ahnenerbe RF-SS

Munich, 20 July 1942

Top Secret

SS Obersturmbannfuehrer Dr. R. Brandt

Berlin, RF-SS.

Very esteemed Dr. Brandt,

Enclosed please find a copy of the work of myself and Romberg,

“Experiments for Rescue from High Altitudes”.

On 14 July 1942, I was ordered by the Reich Leader SS to send you the

above-mentioned report. The Reich Leader wants that report to be

forwarded to Field Marshal Milch, accompanied by a letter from him,

asking Milch to receive Romberg and me for a lecture. I believe to have

understood correctly that the Reich Leader thought you would submit to

him a letter to that effect for his signature.

I was very glad to hear that the Reich Leader was satisfied with the

result of the work at Dachau and with the film, and that he ordered an

intensive continuation of the work in that field.

I recommended Romberg for the War Merit Cross 2d Class

[“Kriegsverdienstkreuz II. Klasse”] on the request of SS

Obersturmbannfuehrer Sievers. SS Standartenfuehrer Dr. Wuest ordered me

to notify you hereof.

The Reich Leader furthermore decided on 14 July 1942 that the prisoner

Sobota and the two prisoners who work in the dissection room in Dachau

should be released and transferred to the group “Dirlewanger.” The exact

names are in possession of SS Obersturmbannfuehrer Sievers. The Reich

Leader has also issued an order to that effect to Major Suchaneck.

I thank you cordially for everything and remain

Heil Hitler!

[handwritten] Very faithfully yours,

[Signed] DR. S. RASCHER

TRANSLATION OF DOCUMENT 1607-A-PS

PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 115[137]

LETTER FROM HIMMLER TO MILCH, 25 AUGUST 1942, CONCERNING

DR. RASCHER’S REPORT ON HIGH-ALTITUDE EXPERIMENTS

Field Headquarters, 25 August 1942

Field Marshal Milch

Secret

Dear Milch:

Enclosed please find a report about experiments for rescue from high

altitudes, which have been carried out by Stabsarzt Dr. S. Rascher and

Dr. med. H. W. Romberg. I saw a film[138] produced by Dr. Rascher.

I consider the results of those experiments as so important for the air

force, that I beg you to receive Dr. Rascher and Dr. Romberg

I consider the results of those experiments as so important for the air

force, that I beg you to receive Dr. Rascher and Dr. Romberg that, after

having seen the film, you will also refer the matter to the Reich

Marshal because of its importance.

I would be obliged if you could let me know your opinion in time.

Friendly greetings and

Heil Hitler!

H. H. [initials of Himmler]

27 August 1942

[initial illegible]

1 Enclosure

TRANSLATION OF DOCUMENT 1617-PS

PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 111

LETTER FROM HIMMLER TO MILCH, 13 NOVEMBER 1942, CONCERNING RASCHER’S

TRANSFER TO THE WAFFEN SS

The Reich Leader SS

Berlin, SW 11, 8 Prinz Albrecht Street

Field Command Post

13 November 1942

Secret

Dear Comrade Milch:

You will recall that through General Wolff I particularly recommended

for your consideration the work of a certain SS Fuehrer Dr. Rascher, who

is a medical officer of the air force reserve [Arzt des

Beurlaubtenstandes der Luftwaffe].

These researches which deal with the behavior of the human organism at

great heights, as well as with manifestations caused by prolonged

cooling of the human body in cold water and similar problems which are

of vital importance to the air force in particular, can be performed by

us with particular efficiency because I personally assumed the

responsibility for supplying asocial individuals and criminals, who

deserve only to die [todeswuerdig], from concentration camps for these

experiments.

Unfortunately, you had no time recently when Dr. Rascher wanted to

report on the experiments at the Ministry of Aviation. I had put great

hopes in that report, because I believed that in this way the

difficulties, based mainly on religious objections to Dr. Rascher’s

experiments—for which I assumed responsibility—could be eliminated.

The difficulties are still the same now as before. In these Christian

medical circles the standpoint is being taken that it goes without

saying that a young German aviator should be allowed to risk his life

but that the life of a criminal—who is not drafted into military

service—is too sacred for this purpose and one should not stain oneself

with this guilt; at the same time it is interesting to note that credit

is taken for the results of the experiments while excluding the

scientist who performed them.

I personally have inspected the experiments, and have—I can say this

without exaggeration—participated in every phase of this scientific

work in a helpful and inspiring manner.

We two should not get angry about these difficulties. It will take at

least another ten years until we can get such narrow-mindedness out of

our people. But this should not affect the research work which is

necessary for our young, splendid soldiers and aviators.

I beg you to release Dr. Rascher, Stabsarzt of the reserve, from the air

force and to transfer him to the Waffen SS. I would then assume the sole

responsibility for having these experiments made in this field and would

put the results, of which we in the SS need only a part for the frost

injuries in the East, entirely at the disposal of the air force.

However, in this connection I suggest that with the liaison between you

and Wolff, a “non-Christian” doctor should be entrusted who ought to be

not only a fully qualified scientist but also a man not prone to

intellectual theft and who could be informed of the results. This doctor

should also have good contacts with the administrative authorities so

that the results would really obtain a hearing.

I believe that this solution—to transfer Dr. Rascher to the SS, so that

he could carry out the experiments under my responsibility and on my

orders—is the best way. The experiments should not be stopped; we owe

that to our men. If Dr. Rascher remained with the air force, there would

certainly be much annoyance; because then I would have to submit to you

a number of unpleasant details caused by the arrogance and

presumptousness which Professor Dr. Holzloehner displayed in the Dachau

military post—which is under my command—during conversations with SS

Standartenfuehrer Sievers about my person. In order to save both of us

this trouble, I suggest again that Dr. Rascher should be transferred to

the Waffen SS as quickly as possible.

I would be grateful if you ordered the low-pressure chamber being put at

our disposal again, together with the differential pumps

[Stufenaggregatpumpen], as the experiments should be extended to even

greater altitudes.

Cordial greetings and

Heil Hitler!

TRANSLATION OF DOCUMENT NO-262

PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 119

LETTER FROM DR. HIPPKE TO SS OBERGRUPPENFUEHRER WOLFF,

6 MARCH 1943, CONCERNING RASCHER’S TRANSFER

TO THE WAFFEN SS

The Inspector of the Medical Service of the Luftwaffe

Berlin W 8, Leipziger Street 7, 6 March 1943

File No. 2299-43 secret Inspectorate

Dear Obergruppenfuehrer Wolff!

State Secretary Milch has given me your letter of 21 November last

year—Diary No. 1426/42 top secret—regarding the release of Stabsarzt

of the Luftwaffe Dr. Rascher to the Waffen SS.

I am prepared to release Stabsarzt Dr. Rascher from the Luftwaffe, even

after the Reich Physician of the SS, SS Gruppenfuehrer Dr. Grawitz

explained to me that he was unable to give me a replacement; I shall put

him at the disposal of the Waffen SS if Rascher himself desires this

release. I shall ask him about that.

Your conception that I, as the responsible director of all

medical-scientific research work, would have been opposed to the

chilling experiments on human beings and so retarded their development

is erroneous. I immediately agreed to the experiments, because our own

previous experiments on large animals were concluded and supplementary

work was necessary. It is also highly improbable that I, who is

responsible for the development of all possibilities for rescuing our

airmen, would not do everything possible to further such work. When

Rascher explained his wishes to me, I agreed with him immediately. The

difficulties, Mr. Wolff, lie in an entirely different sphere: it is a

question of vanity on the part of individual scientists, every one of

whom _personally_ wants to bring out new research results, and very

often it is only with great effort that they can be led to work

unselfishly for the common good. None of them is without guilt in this

respect; Rascher is not either.

If Rascher wants to build up his own research institute within the

framework of the Waffen SS, I have no objection. All research work

within the field of aviation medicine—that is, altitude—moreover, is

under my scientific supervision in my capacity as director of German

aviation medicine. This institute would then be under the supervision of

the Reich Physician of the SS, SS Gruppenfuehrer Dr. Grawitz.

Momentarily, however, this work _cannot_ be carried on because its

continuation would require a low-pressure chamber in which not only the

_altitude_ of the stratosphere, but also the stratospheric _temperature_

can be established. But there is no such chamber available in Germany as

yet; a large chamber is being built in the new Berlin Research Institute

for Aviation Medicine, and I hope I shall be able to have it completed

in the course of this year.

If Rascher, on the other hand, wishes to conduct other experiments not

concerned with altitude and chilling problems, these would not be under

_my_ supervision (_aviation_ medicine) but under the supervision of the

Medical Inspector of the Army (_military_ medicine), whom he would have

to contact.

I am going to talk over all these problems with Rascher in old

comradeship, and I shall again notify you.

With respectful compliments and

Heil Hitler!

[Signed] HIPPKE

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[137] When this document was introduced, Dr. Bergold made the following

statement (_Tr. p. 457_): “Please let me have the photostatic copy of

the original, so that I can make a statement.

“I merely wanted to find out on the copy, whether there was any

‘receiving’ mark. Later on, in the course of the introduction of

evidence, I shall prove that all letters which are not signed with a red

pencil and do not carry the initials ‘Mi’ were never seen by the

defendant Milch but were forwarded directly. This letter does not show

the initials ‘Mi’.

(Stepping forward and showing the Tribunal the document) “May it please

the Tribunal: Milch, whenever he received the letter, added his initials

‘Mi’; at all times, when Milch received a document, he indicated the

receipt with a date; he initialed with a date. These letters, which do

not show the initials, were received by his office but were not shown to

him. At a later date, I can prove this. I just wanted, at this time, to

call the Court’s attention to it.”

[138] When this document was read, Presiding Judge Toms asked (_Tr. p.

458_): “Mr. McMahon, do you know whether the film referred to in this

letter is available?”

MR. MCMAHON: As far as we know, your Honor, it is not available. In

regard to the one [letter] just referred to, I would like your Honor to

understand that the copies which we have come from the secret files of

Mr. Himmler, therefore, cannot show the initials of Milch, and so, in

fact, would not show that Milch had seen that. This letter was received

from the files of Himmler and would not have the initials of Milch,

saying that he had received this particular letter.

C. Curriculum Vitae and Excerpts from the Testimony

of the Defendant Milch

TRANSLATION OF DOCUMENT NOKW-269

PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 59

_A SHORT CURRICULUM VITAE OF FIELD MARSHAL

ERHARD MILCH_

Date Position Activity

30.3.92 Date of birth.

24.2.10 Officer candidate First Foot Artillery Regt.

18.8.11 Lieutenant Recruit training.

1.8.14 Lieutenant Adjutant, 2d Bn., Reserve,

First Foot Artillery Regt.

2.7.15 Lieutenant Air Force, Reconnaissance

Observer.

18.8.15 First Lieutenant Air Force, Reconnaissance

Observer.

Winter 16-17 First Lieutenant Air Force, Adjutant of a unit.

1917 First Lieutenant Chief of the Fifth Air

Squadron.

1918 First Lieutenant Detached service, commander of

an Inf. Company; Detached

service, commander of a

Field Artillery Battery.

18.8.18 Captain Air Force, commander of 204th

Air Squadron, commander of

Sixth Fighter Group.

1919 Captain Commander of 412th Border

Guard Squadron.

1920 Captain Detached service, commander of

Police Air Squadron.

End of 1920 Captain Resigned from military

service.

1921 Lloyd-Ostflug, later Civilian air transport

Danziger Luftpost company, Operation chief;

Civilian air transport

company, Manager.

1922 Junkers-Luftverkehr & Head of Traffic

Danziger Luftpost Department—Organizer of air

lines with Switzerland,

Austria, Hungary, Latvia,

Lithuania, Poland.

1923 Junkers-Luftverkehr & Id.

Danziger Luftpost

1924 Junkers-Luftverkehr & Head of air expedition to

Danziger Luftpost South America. Business

travel to the U.S.A.

1925 Junkers-Luftverkehr Head of General

Administration.

Nov. 1925 Deutsche Lufthansa Member of Technical Board.

Summer 1928 Deutsche Lufthansa Id. and Business Director.

30.1.33 Id. and Deputy Reich Id. concurrently with

Commissioner for direction of aviation under

Aviation supervision of Goering.

March 33 Deutsche Lufthansa and Id. in the Reich Ministry of

State Secretary Aviation.

May 1933 Join NSDAP Party member without

assignment of tasks for

Party.

Sept. 1933 Activated as Colonel Party membership suspended.

1934 Brigadier General Reich Air Ministry and

Deutsche Lufthansa.

1935 Major General Reich Air Ministry and

Deutsche Lufthansa.

1936 Lieutenant General Reich Air Ministry and

(Air Force) Deutsche Lufthansa.

Inspector General of the Air

Force

1938 General

1.9.39 General To operational Air Force.

11.4.-5.5.40 General Commander of Fifth Air Fleet.

Since 10.5.40 General Inspector General.

19.7.40 Field Marshal Inspector General.

Nov. 41 Field Marshal Id. and Chief of Air Force

Material (Development,

testing, procurement of Air

Force material).

April 42 Field Marshal Central Planning Board;

Allocation of raw materials.

March 44 Field Marshal Establishment of “Jaegerstab”.

Raising output of fighter

craft.

20.6.44 Field Marshal Resign posts of State

Secretary and Chief of Air

Force Material.

Jan. 45 Resign post of Inspector

General.

March 45 Field Marshal Hitler declines my

reinstatement.

4.5.45 Field Marshal Taken into British custody in

Holstein.

1 November 1946. [Signed] ERHARD MILCH

EXCERPTS FROM THE TESTIMONY OF DEFENDANT MILCH[139]

[March 11]

Erhard Milch, the defendant, took the stand and testified as follows:

JUDGE MUSMANNO: The defendant will raise his right hand and repeat after

me: I swear by God, the Almighty and Omniscient, that I will speak the

pure truth and will withhold and add nothing.

(The defendant repeated the oath.)

JUDGE MUSMANNO: You may be seated.

_DIRECT EXAMINATION_

DR. BERGOLD: Witness, I do not have to tell you the same thing I tell

all the other witnesses; namely, that you should speak slowly and all

that. You have heard that several times.

Give your full name.

DEFENDANT MILCH: Erhard Milch.

Q. When and where were you born?

A. On 30 March 1892, in Wilhelmshaven.

Q. Who were your parents?

A. My father was a clerk with the Kriegsmarine [navy], and my mother was

born Vetter.

Q. What education did you have?

A. I attended the Gymnasium in Wilhelmshaven, and then from 1905 on I

went to the Joachimsthalsche Gymnasium in Berlin.

Q. When did you matriculate?

A. In February 1910.

Q. What did you study then?

A. I didn’t study, but four days later I went to the First Foot

Artillery Regiment in Koenigsberg in East Prussia, and I joined that

regiment as a cadet.

* * * * *

Q. Witness, what was your position in the Third Reich in 1933?

A. I was State Secretary at that time; at first, it was not called a

ministry. It was called the Reich Commissar’s Office, because formal

measures for the formation of a ministry had to be considered both with

the Reich President as well as the Reichstag. At first, Goering was

Reich Commissar and I was Deputy Reich Commissar for Aviation. I think

it was in March that the Reich Ministry was formed; and at that moment I

became State Secretary.

* * * * *

[March 12]

Q. * * * Witness, is it correct to say that in your capacity as

Inspector General you had to make trips abroad too, that is, you had to

take care of the comradely relationship with the air forces of other

countries?

A. * * * Perhaps I can look up some notes to check the dates of my

trips. The visits which I made were only, some of them, in my capacity

as Inspector General. Some of them were made for purely personal

reasons, relations with people. For instance, the first visit which I

made at the request of Van Zeeland, the Belgian Prime Minister, that

must have been about 1936. I visited Belgium. The Belgian Ambassador in

Berlin, Count Kerkhove [Kerchove de Deuterghem], was a personal friend

of mine. One day he asked me to go to Belgium with him; the Prime

Minister Van Zeeland would like to see me. I was very astonished at this

idea and I asked him what the matter was. I then told him that I had to

have the permission of my superior officers. I received it. This was an

entirely private journey. The purpose of the trip, as I realized in

Belgium, was that Van Zeeland wished to come to terms with Germany, not

only formally but full-heartedly. Belgium, since the First World War,

had a treaty with France and was under an obligation to come to France’s

aid militarily by agreement with France. Van Zeeland wished to renounce

that treaty, and he wished to have similar terms with France as with

Germany. Belgium was also prepared in economic matters, which was a very

urgent point for Germany at the time, to make concessions, far-reaching

concessions. The visit started with a brief call on the King, who did

not refer to the purpose of the visit. This was purely a courtesy call,

but this call gave support to my trip. I saw that the Prime Minister

acted in accordance with his King. The plan as such—although as I

emphasized several times I am not a politician and it was not my

intention to interfere in foreign office matters, but here von Neurath

entirely agreed with my visit. He had not the bureaucratic mind—the

plan impressed me. Rather, I saw the possibility to create friendly

relations between Germany and Belgium, and via Belgium to France, and

later on via France to England itself.

I was convinced that the over-privileged policy of balance of power no

longer applied since the First World War. The powers in Europe had been

dislodged too much and joint friendship between France and Britain was

definitely a British interest in that sense.

When I returned I reported orally to von Neurath who entirely agreed

with that point of view. I also reported to Field Marshal von Blomberg,

who, apart from Goering, was my military superior. He took the same

line. I reported to Hitler and Goering. Both received my report but did

not express their own opinion. To my question whether and what I could

tell the Belgian Ambassador, I was told that would have to be done

through other channels, not through me. My orders had come to an end by

giving this report. This was my first visit and it was entirely

unofficial.

Then I went to Belgium in May 1987. At that time, as a Luftwaffe man, I

was officially received by the Commander in Chief of the Belgian Air

Force, General Duvivier; also by the Minister of War and other

officials. That was a very friendly visit which also led to very good

personal relations between ourselves and their pilots.

I was particularly interested in Belgium because in the First World War

Germany had marched through Belgium, had violated Belgian neutrality,

and had to make up for this now. I believed that the views as expressed

by Belgium on both occasions were aimed at finally burying the hatchet.

I assumed that there was a direct connection between my Belgian visit

and a visit by the French Ambassador Poncet who came to call on me in my

office and extended an invitation by the French Government on the

occasion of the International Exhibition. That visit took place from 4

to 9 October 1937 in Paris with the full approval of Goering and Hitler.

The visit was most impressive since I believe it was the first time

since 1867 that a German officer was able to pay an official friendly

visit to France. The French told me with the greatest satisfaction that

that was the first time the French Company of Honor had presented its

arms since the Prussian Crown Prince had visited Paris in 1867.

The French made great efforts to make the visit a success and I must say

they succeeded all along the line. The main point was joint military

inspections. Very cordial words were exchanged with the generals of the

French Air Force. I was accompanied by Udet and Count Kerkhove [Kerchove

de Deuterghem] who also had very good relations with France from other

times. The central point perhaps of the visit and its real purpose

occurred after a lunch given by Pierre Cot, the Minister of Aviation. On

my other side the Foreign Minister was sitting, and also the Minister of

the Navy was there. After lunch the three French Ministers, Wilmer, the

Commander in Chief of the French Air Force, Udet, and myself remained in

a special room and the French Foreign Minister asked me to take home

with me some propositions made by his office.

I should add that our German Ambassador in France was also there, also

in the smaller circle. When I said that I didn’t want to interfere in

his business, he himself did not take any notice of it. He said that the

most important thing was to report to Hitler on my impressions. He

himself could not approach Hitler. The Ambassador was then Count

Welczeck. I was extremely surprised; I had no idea. I couldn’t imagine

that the Head of State should not see his own Ambassador. On that basis

I said I would only act as a postman, and as such would transmit what I

would be told. I would give my very best own will.

The contents of the conversation were to have a far-reaching agreement

between the two countries, the main purpose being to establish a really

permanent and lasting peace between the two countries. I was able to

take over this assignment with the best conscience in the world. After

all, I said yesterday what I thought of military events in Europe in the

last thousand years. My impression was that the Foreign Minister was

very serious in this business, nor did I have any suspicions that this

might be a political trap and the Air Minister Cot who was always

described as communist in Germany, gave me a very good impression

indeed, and our conversations were very intimate and very frank.

The French Foreign Minister at that time was called Delbos. The farewell

on the Le Bourget Airfield led to fraternization between all of us, and

between ourselves and five or six of the highest French generals. I must

not forget that one of the oldest French generals, General Keller,

expressed with tears in his eyes that he was convinced that the thousand

years war between France and Germany was now a matter of the past. We

also were deeply moved.

On 9 October I flew from Paris to Berchtesgaden and reported to Hitler

at once. He ordered me to report to him as soon as I had returned. I may

perhaps say quite generally I could only see Hitler if Goering gave me

permission or ordered me to do so, or, of course, if Hitler himself

ordered me to come and see him. I myself could not go and see him as I

was merely a subordinate.

In the presence of Udet I gave a report to Hitler lasting over two hours

on the evening of the 9th of October, when my impression was still very

fresh. Hitler listened very attentively, asked a number of detailed

questions. I could tell him all about the various details which we saw

and heard, not so much the military ones, but the political details. I

could never talk enough about these things. After all, it was a fairly

long conversation with the Head of State. I recommended all these things

very warmly and I asked him to take this extended hand and he would

represent the greatest glory if he would succeed in coming to a lasting

agreement with France based on the very far-reaching economic community

between the two countries.

I compared this with the time of the German Customs League prior to 1870

when the German states were linked together only through this Customs

League. I recalled to his memory that both countries, France and

Germany, had been a unit and a community for centuries at one time, and

what was greatness at that time today merely meant a normal state. I

want to express in particular that nobody pleaded that the two countries

should be politically linked together but that political collaboration

was a necessity.

On 11 October, two days later, the Italian Ambassador called on me—

Q. Just a minute. I have to ask another question. Is it correct that

during this conversation you also offered to go as a special envoy to

France and to complete this task?

A. Oh yes, I told him that Count Welczeck should be called to Hitler in

order to give a report. Hitler said no, that is not necessary. I then

said that he must have somebody, if he wished to pursue this matter, who

enjoyed his confidence and also the confidence of the government to

which he was sent. I told him that I was prepared at all times to serve

under Welczeck as a special envoy only for that one task. I explained to

him that I regarded Welczeck as a man who enjoyed the confidence of the

French Government, and that it would be a pity if Hitler would not see

that man more frequently.

Q. Witness, did Hitler take a position on this question or did he keep

silent again as he did before?

A. Apart from putting questions to me he didn’t say anything decisive at

all. After all, I was not a Foreign Office official, and I could hardly

expect him to do so. Perhaps later on I can describe what I did as far

as Neurath is concerned.

Q. But before that I would ask you one more question. In Belgium and in

France were you told why you of all persons were approached by these

foreign countries and had the confidence of these countries?

A. The Belgians were explicit on that point. When I told Count Welczeck

that, after all, the Foreign Office was concerned here; that it would

not serve any useful purpose, he replied, “That will not be read higher

up. If you are the soldier coming to Hitler, he will listen to you, for,

after all, soldiers are your trump cards at the moment. Also we have

confidence in you, confidence that you will at least be able to see

Hitler; and he also has the confidence that you personally will do your

best in this respect.”

Q. Witness, at that time did others also approach you, other diplomatic

representatives, and lend you their confidence?

A. Yes.

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