[follow names of 27 others who attended, including Under Secretary

Ohlendorf,[99] Lt. Gen. (Artillery) Von Leeb,[100] and Professor

Krauch.[101]]

[Signed] STAATSRAT SCHIEBER

TRANSLATION OF DOCUMENT NOKW-287

PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 49

LETTER FROM MILCH TO SAUCKEL, 8 APRIL 1943, CONCERNING

THE PROTECTION OF INDUSTRY

Copy

The Reich Air Minister and Supreme Commander of the Air Force

St/GL

Secret

File note: 16m 10 No. 220/43 secret (GL/A-W Wi 3 II)

Berlin W 8, 8 April 1943

7 Leipziger Street

Tel. 12 0047, Ext. 5530

To the Plenipotentiary for the Four Year Plan

Plenipotentiary General for Labor Allocation

Berlin SW 11

96 Saarland Street

Subject: Protection of Industry.

The continuously increasing drafting of German workers from the

production as well as from the security teams (plant protection and

plant fireguards) make it necessary to assign more and more foreign

labor to the factories of the armament industry. This assignment of

foreign labor faces the plants of the armament industry with special

tasks of security, which cannot be guaranteed with the forces at present

at the disposal of the industry. According to what I have found out the

statistics of 31 December 1942 have already shown an unfulfilled demand

of 15 percent in plant protection personnel. Moreover, the extension of

the air force industry brings about a further increase in the

requirements for plant protection personnel, an increase which up to now

has not been covered by the labor offices.

An investigation I made in a number of plants of the air force industry

a short while ago has shown that even after the introduction of the

compulsory labor law most of the labor offices could not make the

necessary forces available for protection and fireguard tasks, while

other labor agencies could not entirely satisfy the needs. The labor

office of Halberstadt has even refused to deal with this requirement

because these men were required for organizations without productive

value.

In the field of the air force industry I already ordered, at the

beginning of the war, the 84-hour week for these sectors. So that no

further increase can be made with these working hours, for otherwise,

there would be an increase of illness which would bring about a further

unwarranted weakening in the numbers of the personnel. Even the decree

for the securing of the necessary forces of protectory guards, issued by

you on 29 December 1942, (File note: Va 5550.917) has not yet shown any

results up to now in the field of the armament industry.

Therefore, you are urgently requested to direct the labor offices to

place at the disposal of the armament plants, upon their request as

quickly as possible the competent forces for plant protection and

fireguards, because otherwise normal security in the plants does not

seem to be guaranteed any longer.

In the field of air force industry, this would involve approximately

2,500 to 3,000 men.

We ask you to kindly inform us about the steps taken.

Copy, for information, to:

OKW W Stb [Economic Staff of the Armed Forces]

BY ORDER:

MILCH [Typewritten]

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PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 48-A

SPEER’S MINUTES OF A CONFERENCE WITH HITLER ON 8 JULY 1943

Top Secret State Matter

Berlin, 10 July 1943

_CONFERENCE WITH THE FUEHRER, 8 JULY 1943_

* * * * *

17. The Fuehrer laid down in the coal discussion that 70,000 Russian

prisoners of war fit for mining work should be sent each month to the

mines. He also pointed out that an approximate minimum of

150,000-200,000 fit Russian prisoners of war must be earmarked for the

mines in order to obtain the required number of men suitable for this

work.

If the Russian prisoners of war cannot be released by the army, the male

population in the partisan infested areas should without distinction be

proclaimed prisoners of war and sent off to the mines.

At the same time the Fuehrer ordered that prisoners of war not fit for

the mines should immediately be placed in the iron industry, in

manufacturing and supply industries, and in the armament industry.

The Fuehrer further ordered that he should receive a monthly report

giving (_a_) the total number of Russian prisoners of war, and (_b_) the

number of Russian prisoners of war fit for mining, made available for

the mines and a report addressed to Field Marshal Keitel as to why the

remainder could not be used.

The joint report of Sauckel and Pleiger is also to be sent to me.

[Signed] SPEER

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PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 48-A

EXTRACT FROM THE REPORT BY SAUR OF THE CONFERENCE

WITH THE FUEHRER, 5 MARCH 1944

Top Secret State Matter

Berlin, 6 March 1944

_POINTS FROM THE CONFERENCE (SAUR) WITH THE

FUEHRER ON 5 MARCH 1944_

_Jointly with Field Marshal Milch, Lt. Gen. of the Air Force_

_Bodenschatz, Colonel von Below_

* * * * *

18. Told the Fuehrer of the Reich Marshal’s wish for the future

utilization of the productive capacity of prisoners of war by giving the

direction of the Stalag to the SS, with the exception of the British and

Americans. The Fuehrer considers the proposal a good one and has asked

Colonel von Below to arrange matters accordingly.

* * * * *

(Prepared by Saur)

(Seen by Speer)

EXCERPTS FROM THE TESTIMONY GIVEN BY DEFENSE WITNESS

ALBERT SPEER[102] BEFORE COMMISSION ON 19 FEBRUARY 1947

* * * * *

_EXAMINATION_

* * * * *

JUDGE MUSMANNO: Herr Speer, I would like to understand the machinery by

which labor was brought into Germany beginning with the request by any

particular department for any particular number of workers. Let us

suppose that someone appeared before the Central Planning Board and

said, “I will need fifty thousand men for a factory that I am about to

construct.” Now please tell us just what happened. Would you issue an

order to somebody? Would he then in turn order someone else and how did

these workers finally then arrive in Germany?

WITNESS SPEER: If somebody on the Central Planning Board requested

labor, the Central Planning Board did not issue an order that these

workers must be supplied, but the Central Planning Board agreed that

those workers can be supplied. An order by the Central Planning Board,

Sauckel would not have accepted. That is a definite fact.

It is quite clear that the requests for labor did not occur in these

long intervals between the meetings of the Central Planning Board, but

this had to happen in much shorter intervals and in a constant

collaboration with the people concerned, for the enemy air raids and

changes in programs which became necessary because of the military

situation made these changes very often necessary. Therefore, for the

whole of our armament industry and also for certain branches of

production outside armament that were in my ministry, we decided on

so-called framework contingents, and priority lists were drawn up. I do

not know whether you are interested in that part.

Q. Well, not particularly. I want very succinctly a statement as to the

steps which ensue after the declaration of someone before the Central

Planning Board that he needed a certain number of workers. Who was

informed of this request? Who authorized the call for the workers? Who

submitted the demand? Who then at the other end gathered the workers?

Not in detail—I just want the steps in movement from the Central

Planning Board until the men actually arrived.

A. The Central Planning Board did not deal with that matter anymore

afterwards. Let us say the request of labor, say, of the coal mining

industry——

Q. Yes.

A. ——was reported to Sauckel by the coal mining industry itself.

Therefore, one could call a meeting of the Central Planning Board as a

statement for Sauckel that such labor is very important for the coal

mining industry, and that as far as possible he has to supply them. That

is necessary within the framework of economic planning, but beyond that

the Central Planning Board did not pursue the matter any further or was

not even in a position to do so.

Q. Well, did you know there at the fountainhead of labor—because if you

made the request originally, that is what started the machinery in

motion—did you not know that bringing in workers forcibly from occupied

territories to work in the war operation constituted a violation of

international convention? Weren’t you aware of that right at the very

source?

A. What I say now is not meant to be an excuse. I really did not know

it. Up to the beginning of my trial here, the regulations of

international law were unknown to me, and nobody ever drew my attention

to the fact that such regulations exist; but I want to say once more, I

don’t say this in order to excuse myself, here, but it is a fact that it

was like this.

Q. Well, you were certainly quite aware from the decision of the

International Military Tribunal just how illegal and improper that was.

A. I took note of it there, and, after all, I received my punishment for

it now.

Q. Well, could you not have followed the same line of reasoning adopted

by the Tribunal, which, after all, was based upon international

convention? You were a man of education, a man of great cultural

attainments and of great technical ability, and it was because of these

attributes that you were chosen by Hitler to become the Minister of

Armaments. Could you not have reasoned that out by yourself? Wasn’t it

very clear and obvious?

A. I believe that the general knowledge of the principles of

international law can only be brought to the knowledge of a wider circle

of legal laymen if after a war legal offenses committed during the war

will be revealed by a public trial, and thereby a more general knowledge

of offenses against international law becomes known. You know that I was

an architect and that such knowledge as I had in the field of law I

merely received from newspapers, and I knew, for instance, all about

various legal commitments of architects which are fairly extensive as

far as construction of buildings goes.

I would say that a great mistake has been committed here by omitting

after the First World War to establish international legal conditions by

trials, and at the same time to adjust it to the developments of

technical warfare instead of which, after the First World War, the whole

question of the deportation of labor, for instance, was decided by the

highest German courts, and as far as I know, the decision of that court

was not particularly lucid. This is how the basis of ignorance is laid

in the field of international law, and I believe that many a mistake and

many a violation in this war could have been avoided or at least

mitigated if a general knowledge of international law had been

prevalent.

Q. Would you say that had there been, following the First World War,

trials such as those we are now conducting, that you then would have

been aware of the illegality of the practices in which you were engaged;

or rather, you would have been aware of the illegality of such practices

and you then would not have participated in them?

A. I am of the opinion that trials against the responsible men for the

First World War after its conclusion would have enlightened the public

and myself on the tenets of international law. I do not wish to go as

far as to say that I would not have committed these breaches of law, for

it is very difficult to excuse one’s self after the event by saying one

committed the act only through ignorance of international law.

Nevertheless, I should say that the observance of international law

would have been possible without losing much momentum in my armament

drive. Of course only that part of international law is meant here which

deals with the recruiting of labor, whereas the other factor, the

so-called legal looting of occupied territories as it is called, there

is no doubt that that would have been necessary for an increased output

of armaments. Violations of international law as far as the assignment

of labor was concerned were in my opinion not only unnecessary, but

unreasonable. We would have achieved more if we had observed

international law. This is a very complicated topic; I do not know

whether you are interested why this should be so.

Q. Well, I merely want you to enlighten me, if you care to, on this

specific angle. You are considered a specialist. Now, had there been an

international trial following the First World War, and the decision in

that trial had been very clear and specific—as was the decision in this

trial—you would have then known the limitations very specifically on

the conduct of war; and having then known that you couldn’t do certain

things, would you then have refused to participate as you did in this

World War as a specialist? Having been put on notice that you cannot

take labor from other countries forcibly and throw them into the

armament industries—knowing all that, would you then have refused to

give your services to Hitler in the prosecution of this war?

A. As to the first part of the question I wish to say if a trial and a

clear decision had been handed down after the First World War, then

certainly somebody would have put the international laws and regulations

on my desk; that is to say, he would have informed me of it. The second

question—it is not possible to give a simple answer to the second part

of the question for when I started my office in 1942 the war in all its

aspects had already departed from all existing international

regulations. Please don’t misunderstand me if I point out here that

economic warfare was waged by the British and Americans with extreme

concentration on bombing warfare, which was not a matter of national

reprisal because it hit industries in occupied territories. On the other

hand the war with Russia had gone beyond the normal limits, if I can

call it that. It is difficult for me to say who was the guilty party.

Q. I do not refer to the time after the war had reached such a state

that there were no restrictions. I am speaking of the period before the

war started. I would like to know whether a man of your education could

have been enlisted in a practice which you knew and would then have

known was entirely illegal and contrary to international law as well as

the precepts and dictates of humanity.

A. I would not have participated if I had known the whole documentary

material which became known in our first big trial. If I had known that

Hitler since 1938 had prepared for war and had tied the fate of his

people to his own to such an extent that his end was the end of his own

nation——

Q. I didn’t intend to enter into such a long discussion on this. All I

had in mind was that if those in your classification, as specialists,

would have observed international law, and would have known clearly what

international law was—the restrictions, the limitations and so on—and

if we assumed that these specialists were men of character, then, even

though Germany had at the helm a navigator who had become mad, he could

not have run the ship on to the rocks for the simple reason that you and

the other specialists who assisted in the present shipwreck, would have

refused to ship on a venture which was so obviously bound for the rocks,

internationally speaking. Is that true or not?

A. That is so without a doubt.

Q. And would you go so far as to say that had there been an

international trial of the proportions of the one we have just had, and

these which are now following, after the First World War, and the

knowledge resulting from decisions handed down would have become

well-known because of the punishments which would have been inflicted,

would you say that that might have served as a bar against a Second

World War?

A. I do not wish to say that it could have stopped and Hitler——

Q. If Hitler had not had specialists, Hitler could not have wrecked the

world himself. Hitler had to have a Speer and had to have the others who

were condemned in the first International Military Tribunal. He could

not have done it alone.

A. That’s quite clear, but these specialists were taken into their part

of the war without realizing what the connections were and an

international trial is not a wholly certain method to prevent a new war;

but I think it’s a very essential contribution toward that aim. I am

unable to answer your question by saying that Hitler would have been

unable to find collaborators if, after the First World War, these trials

had been held, but I do wish to say it would have been much more

difficult for him, also because our specialists were not very intimately

connected with the Party circles.

Q. Well, I think that’s a point I wanted to find out; that, if the

specialists had refused to collaborate, knowing that the contribution of

their service meant a completely illegal undertaking, then Hitler could

not have conducted a war by himself and therefore there could not have

been a war?

A. In technical warfare the specialists are decisive factors for the

conduct of war, but the specialists are not to be regarded as being the

parties principally responsible. They do not have the necessary

knowledge of the background, the political background—essential in view

of Hitler’s untruthfulness—to see where he is taking the ship.

Q. The ship could go nowhere without you specialists. That’s all.

A. I thank you.

JUDGE MUSMANNO: Do you have any questions, Dr. Bergold?

_DIRECT EXAMINATION_

DR. BERGOLD: Yes, sir, I have. Witness, his Honor has asked you how it

would be if a factory, for instance, would need and would request 50,000

workers, which way and in which channel would take this request up to

the point in foreign territories where 50,000 foreigners would have been

gathered and taken to Germany for that purpose. Isn’t it correct that

such a proposal of bringing 50,000 workers to this factory did not mean

that 50,000 foreign workers would be brought but meant only that 50,000

workers altogether were brought? That meant German workers as well as

foreign workers which were actually already in Germany and employed

there and also new recruits? That included all that, did it not?

SPEER: I was deflected from my answer in that particular case and I did

not really give an answer to the question. If 50,000 workers were

requested for a certain branch in our industry the request gave a figure

which did not show how many of them were Germans and how many of them

were foreign workers. The bigger part of the workers which were supplied

came from what was called fluctuation. Fluctuation meant the transfer of

workers from one plant to another. It’s quite clear that production is

in a constant development. One always follows the other and in some

cases one orders particular workers and then it loses that importance

for military reasons. The plan is that some workers available are

constantly released and sent on to different plants or industries. A

second source was the newly mobilized German workers, I mean the women

workers, and a third source was the sending of foreign workers already

in Germany, and a fourth source the prisoners of war who were also sent

on from one branch to the next, and the fifth source consisted of some

that came in from foreign countries. How these various workers from

these various sources were distributed among branches, neither my

offices nor the factories who had requested workers could find out. That

was a matter which had to be decided by the labor exchanges because it

took an enormous amount of work to find the proper workers for the

proper branches. * * *

Q. Thank you. Witness, do you know that when the French Government,

which at that time existed in Paris, had issued an order for the calling

up of labor did that mean compulsory labor?

A. These details became known to me during the trial. My tasks were

enormous and at that time I did not bother much about details. I cannot

say anything about this from my knowledge.

Q. Witness, you must know this; at the time when you had discussions

with Mr. Bichelonne, French Minister, I should think that the existence

of compulsory labor service in France should have been discussed at that

time.

A. Perhaps I misunderstood you. I said quite clearly last time that I

knew about the fact that in occupied territories workers were taken to

Germany against their free will. The various districts, etc., are not

known to me.

Q. No. I mean if such a decree had been issued at all. That’s what I am

speaking of.

A. I had to assume that but I wasn’t actually informed about it.

Q. Did you consider the French Government, which at that time was in

Paris, France—did you consider it a regular government?

A. This is the same sort of question which his Honor put to me too. I

had no basis to find out whether the French Government was legal or not,

because these are problems of international law which are beyond me as a

layman.

Q. Witness, do you not know that the Government of Pétain had been

recognized and was recognized by the American Government, and that the

American Government had an ambassador, if I recall correctly—and I am

not sure I can pronounce his name—at that time, Mr. Leahy, Admiral

Leahy?

A. I know that, but I must say frankly that I did not spend my time

thinking about whether the French Government was legal or not.

Q. Thank you. I have no further questions.

JUDGE MUSMANNO: Herr Speer, what I was endeavoring to elucidate, or have

you elucidate for us, was not whether you knew if a government was legal

or not, if it was recognized internationally or not. I wanted to draw

your attention to something quite more fundamental, and that was the

employment against its will of population in a war activity, all of

which was prohibited by international law. And if you and all the

specialists in the Hitler regime knew of the limitation and were

thoroughly aware, and the knowledge was so widespread that you couldn’t

help but know that it was illegal and that you would be punished if you

did it, that is, to bring in workers from another country and put them

into war operations—if that were a matter of such general knowledge

that every college man and every person that was well read would know of

it, would Hitler not have had difficulty in obtaining such a crew to run

a ship, regardless of what he may have had in mind as to the illegal

port which he hoped to attain by that voyage?

SPEER: I can only speak about the time in which I worked, that is to

say, from 1942 onwards. In that time, I am sure that if these legal

matters had been made quite clear a large number of technicians or

industrial leaders would not have collaborated to the extent they did if

they had realized the illegality and the possible punishment.

I would like to stress this particularly for the period from 1943

onwards. From that time onwards, many intelligent people realized that

the war had been lost, and from that time onwards it would have made a

great impression if in former trials heavy punishment was meted out. Not

everybody would have been impressed; certain people would have followed

the old line, but the majority of so-called specialists, certainly—

Q.—would have recognized the illegality of what they were asked to do.

I understand you to say that the majority of the specialists would have

recognized the illegality of what they were asked to do and would have

refused. That is what I understand you to say.

A. Yes, that is what I wanted to say.

JUDGE MUSMANNO: Very well. Thank you very much.

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DEFENSE EXHIBIT 5

EXTRACT FROM THE STENOGRAPHIC REPORT OF THE ELEVENTH

CONFERENCE OF THE CENTRAL PLANNING BOARD,

22 JULY 1942

_REPORT OF THE 11TH CONFERENCE OF THE CENTRAL_

_PLANNING BOARD ON 22 JULY 1942_[103]

[page 2 of original]

_Safeguarding of Food Supplies_

A net increase of one million foreign workers is anticipated. This

figure has not been reached during the past months. Even if more than

one million workers are brought here during the months to come, the

limit of one million will actually never be exceeded due to continued

losses. Food for this number of workers is guaranteed.

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DEFENSE EXHIBIT 6[104]

EXTRACT FROM THE STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF THE

TWENTY-SECOND CONFERENCE OF THE CENTRAL

PLANNING BOARD, 2 NOVEMBER 1942

_STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF THE 22D CONFERENCE_

_OF THE CENTRAL PLANNING BOARD CONCERNING_

_ASSIGNMENT OF LABOR, MONDAY, 2 NOVEMBER_

_1942, 12:00 O’CLOCK IN THE REICH MINISTRY_

_FOR AVIATION_

* * * * *

MILCH: In my opinion agriculture has to be provided with its labor. If,

theoretically, agriculture could have been given 100,000 more men, there

would be 100,000 fairly well-fed men, while those we get now,

particularly the prisoners of war, are not exactly fit for work. If

agriculture will get them in time, they will again be able to feed these

people up again. However, it will not be very happy about it. * * *

* * * * *

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DEFENSE EXHIBIT 7

EXTRACT FROM THE STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF THE

THIRTY-SECOND CONFERENCE OF THE CENTRAL

PLANNING BOARD, 12 FEBRUARY 1943

_STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF THE 32D CONFERENCE_

_OF THE CENTRAL PLANNING BOARD—THE FOUR_

_YEAR PLAN ON 12 FEBRUARY 1943_

* * * * *

MILCH: Everybody sticks to his old methods until he is literally beaten

away from them. However, one must not only beat, one must give advice,

too. They must be good experts who will tell people: You will do that

this way or that; it is not necessary that you use just this sum. Who

does such a thing will never give in and say, I can do with less. Mining

has been partly beaten[105] into iron by saying we cannot give you

anything but iron on account of the shortage of lumber.

* * * * *

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DEFENSE EXHIBIT 8[106]

EXTRACT FROM THE STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF THE

THIRTY-THIRD CONFERENCE OF THE CENTRAL

PLANNING BOARD, 16 FEBRUARY 1943

_STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF THE 33D CONFERENCE_[107]

_OF THE CENTRAL PLANNING BOARD_

Subject: Assignment of Labor, 16 February 1943, 16 o’clock, in the Reich

Ministry for Armament and Munitions, Berlin.

* * * * *

SPEER: We are in complete agreement. You will not receive any list from

us for this action but the whole armament industry including the

anticipated deliveries will be devoted to this action. The

administrations too must be served at the same time. But the authorities

including army, air and navy shall not get a single person from the

action. This must be adhered to. You know what the Reich Minister Dr.

Lammers said: That he must therefore have some new women typists at the

Reich Chancellory at once. That makes no sense.

MILCH: Where France is concerned, there exists in France an industry

which makes aircraft motors and parts, all complete. We have transferred

there all the things which can be made there without endangering secrecy

in any way. These are training aircraft, transport aircraft, etc.

However, since we want to make the most of the production in other ways,

we have moved away part of it to a large extent. As a whole these things

must be kept secret from the French but in every part subject to secrecy

there are only a few parts which are real secret. The bulk consists of

other parts. These have also gone there to a great extent just as we

engaged aircraft builders in France to a great extent. We now currently

have work waiting in France for several thousand aircraft builders. At

the moment the industry working for us there needs, according to its

claims, some 20,000 men, who are asked of us, in order to be able to

keep to the program. The production is still far behind that which was

agreed upon with you in the program. Whereas we in Germany fully carry

out our program, only 30 percent of it is carried out in France. In fact

it has only begun to function in the last weeks and months after we have

been more active there. In principle, we have excluded the State from

this whole cooperation with industry and set the German firms to work

with the French firms.

Sponsor firms have been appointed so as to make the affair operate. This

system is not yet fully completed but has been favorably initiated

everywhere and indeed brings quite other returns to some extent. The

reproach is always made to us that nearly all Europe is at our disposal.

The production we draw from France, with the exception of motor cars, is

minute as regards the army. The whole French production potential is not

yet fully exploited by us or only to a quite small proportion. If it

were necessary for us to produce in France, because in Germany the

capacity, space machine tools, etc., which are not convenient for

removal are lacking, if the accommodation of the people were not so

difficult, etc., we would in fact be reduced to the point of taking

everything to Germany and have the work done here. But this would entail

too great a decrease in the production in our own country, not to

mention the reluctance of the people.

We came to an agreement yesterday. I am very thankful that this matter

is now, thanks to yourself, Gauleiter Sauckel, together with Gen. v. d.

Heyde and Col. Brueckner, to be settled on the spot. It is difficult to

induce Frenchmen to come over here. An official agency alone cannot

either appreciate or realize this, only a sponsoring firm can realize

it. I therefore suggest that sponsor firms be called upon to cooperate,

precisely because in France the sub-contract system is very widespread.

Behind the factory which actually organizes the thing, there are other

factories which belong to the semi-finished goods and preparatory

industry. This industry, however, can be supervised by our sponsor

industries. We should have to assign to our people the task of

investigating the individual firms and find out which people are working

for our program. All others we annex ourselves. When we have got hold of

them and annex them in German industry, that is, only those people who

are really necessary to us, it will be possible to utilize them in the

right way.

The proportion of specialist workers there is higher than in this

country. We have indeed drained a certain number of them into our

factories last year because they were the easiest to get. The Frenchmen

must work with more specialists than we. We must work with more

specialists than the Russian, and the Russian must have still more

specialists than the American. In America they can place any simpleton

before any machine, he will put it right in a flash. Only the

installation requires a specialist. The man need only have arms; a head

is a superfluous luxury.

In France the system is quite different. The Frenchman has adapted

himself to it and has always indeed had unemployment. A labor

organization as we conceive it does not exist. With the same number of

Frenchmen and all other installations, facilities, etc., being the same,

one will only obtain, as compared with German personnel, half at the

most or only one-third of the production, even if the personnel have all

good will and zeal. It is a matter of system. This system we cannot

simply alter, neither can the sponsor firms, but we must try in this way

to obtain from them to a certain extent the additional resources which

we need for our industry and armament. By proceeding thus, we can put

things right. I believe the sponsor firms have an obvious interest in

this. If industry has too many specialist workers there working for us,

let us draw upon them ourselves, because we are suffering a great

shortage of them. This resource should be left to our firms after this

extensive drain on specialist workers has been suffered. We want to

raise our armament.

Now to another point. I have today ordered in my jurisdiction that an

extensive action should take place; today, when we are counting upon

obtaining a great number of women in virtue of the obligatory service

whose age limit we hope to see extended to 55. The British have extended

obligatory service to the age of 65. The additional 10 years are a

trifle exaggerated. Women are not able to go to the machines immediately

and perform heavy work. The few days that are necessary for them to

instruct the personnel are immaterial. We can still spare that much time

if it were not that it would convey to the population an impression to

the following effect: Now that we have reported for work, it is months

before we are called up. I have ordered, within my jurisdiction, that

the women should as much as possible be employed in offices where men

are now to be found, for instance in the wage offices, etc. In these,

women and elderly men can be easily trained, as they will be able to do

without further difficulty. In this way, men in the commercial offices,

etc., should be released for the accountancy offices and similar

offices. This involves, in the case of industry, over 20,000 individuals

and there are other branches besides.

It amounts to quite a considerable number consisting solely of people

who, in view of the war economy, are unfortunately necessary now. These

men must now be placed at our machines insofar as they are not drafted,

that is to say, are not soldiers. These people are more likely to be

able to render better service at the machines or in the factories than

the women now assigned, insofar as women are disposed to go to the

machines. Of course, there will be women who have done such work before

and who are now willing to turn to this work but who have not reported

for work so far because they have not found it necessary to work for a

living on account of the dole.

Where the assignment of women is concerned, I should suggest that, in

the process of the action, only those women be assigned for whom work at

the machine is not involved if a man is thereby released.

TIMM: The danger lies in this that the draftees were partly to be

released without replacement having actually been forthcoming.

FIELD MARSHAL MILCH: That is quite another matter. When female

auxiliaries of the Signal Corps are assigned, it is not additionally but

only in the proportion that soldiers are released thereby. There are

indeed several 100,000 men in the signal corps of the army and air

force. In our department, 250 to 300,000 have been such. Whether there

are so many now, I do not know. They are all young men fit for combat. I

have always campaigned against this and said: one ought to assign women

preferably so as to release soldiers. If that is done now, it will

really release a large number, it does not matter whether for the

workshop or for the front. Of course, there is a front somewhere in the

East too. This front will be maintained for a certain time. The only

useful thing the Russian will inherit from the territories evacuated by

us will be the people. It might be better in principle to withdraw the

population in time as far as 100 km. behind the front. The whole

civilian population will move back to 100 km. behind the front. Nobody

will now be assigned to trench [digging] work.

TIMM: We tried to withdraw the population of Kharkov. 90 to 120,000

people were required by the fortress commandant of Kharkov for trench

work alone so that in some cases we had to organize whole convoys.

WEGER: Actual demolitions were even carried out.

FIELD MARSHAL MILCH: But that is done by the engineer corps. There is

definitely no more hope that more prisoners of war will come from the

East.

SAUCKEL: The prisoners taken are used there.

FIELD MARSHAL MILCH: We have made the request that there should be a

certain percentage of Russians with us in the antiaircraft artillery.

50,000 altogether are expected. 30,000 are already there as gunners. It

is a funny thing that Russians must operate the guns. The other 20,000

are still missing. I received a letter from the High Command of the Army

yesterday saying: We can no longer turn over a single one, we have too

few ourselves. So this thing will not turn out so successfully for us.

SPEER: It would be advisable to make the draft of women somewhat clearer

in the press.

FIELD MARSHAL MILCH: That would primarily have to be placed in the

foreground. In this respect the question is whether I will receive the

accounts from our industry in time. The matter is bound to be settled

some time. There will be no deception. People who want to deceive also

deceive now, whether they have this personnel or not, whether their

accounts are up to date or not. The other people are honest. The mass

has not engaged in deception. Whether we are a little backward in

checking prices will not be very important. The most important thing is

to work. We know what is produced abroad, having now received the

figures. The Russian actually makes 2,000 aircraft a month in the way of

front-line aircraft. This figure is far higher than ours. This must not

be forgotten. We must get to the assembly line and produce quite other

figures.

* * * * *

PARTIAL TRANSLATION OF DOCUMENT R-124

DEFENSE EXHIBIT 9

EXTRACT FROM STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF THE THIRTY-NINTH

CONFERENCE OF THE CENTRAL PLANNING BOARD,

23 APRIL 1943

_STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF THE 39TH CONFERENCE_

_OF THE CENTRAL PLANNING BOARD_

Subject: Food Situation and Armament Industry.

_Held on Friday 23 April 1943, 9:30 A.M. in the Festival Barrack_

_near the Zoo, Jebenstrasse_

* * * * *

MILCH: I am convinced that there are more Russian prisoners of war. At

that time 4,000,000 were captured. A large part of them died, however

the number of those who are still living is higher than we are told now.

We reckon here with hundred thousand Russian prisoners of war in the

agriculture. Altogether, we have 300,000 of them in the Reich. During

the First World War I had 200 Italian prisoners of war with me. These

prisoners were to be turned over, however, we kept ours by reporting

them dead in order to keep them. And these people also wanted to stay in

spite of the fact that we told them that they would be reported dead

even to their families. We dragged these prisoners around with us till

the end of the war.

KEHRL: If the food supplies of the labor brought in from abroad are

taken from the German rations then, while we think that we are very rich

for having these people, the German rations are in reality reduced, and

the decrease in the working capacity of our own workers does more harm

than the good done by the new people.

SPEER: But from the figures of this incoming labor we have to deduct

those who leave the country because of expired foreign agreements, and

the others which we lose because of cases of death or illness. On the

whole the increase of labor in our total war economy is not at all so

very important. (Interpolation: the more labor we fetch from the East,

the more this total figure will increase.)

BACKE: But there is a limit, too, in the number of men we can absorb. At

that time we were told that one million was to be taken into the

country, from the East. Now we have already got several millions.

MILCH: You cannot count that way. Before all these measures in the

second year of the war, the air force had 1.8 million men and today it

has less than two million. The whole air armament which is a

considerable part of the total war armament, in the course of the war or

in the last 2½ years of the war has not even increased by 10 percent. In

reality the total increase in this field amounts to about 125,000 to

150,000 men. We are always looking for those people. That is our main

problem.

* * * * *

PARTIAL TRANSLATION OF DOCUMENT R-124

DEFENSE EXHIBIT 31

EXTRACTS FROM THE STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF THE

FIFTY-FOURTH CONFERENCE OF THE CENTRAL PLANNING

BOARD, 1 MARCH 1944

_STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF THE 54TH CONFERENCE[108]

OF THE CENTRAL PLANNING BOARD_

Re: Labor Allocation on Wednesday, 1 March 1944, 1000 hours, at the

Reich Air Ministry.

SAUCKEL: * * * I have a Gau armament supervisor in Thuringia and I have

just been inspecting the plants in Thuringia. At the railroad car

factory in Gotha I have set things going so that within a few days it

will be turning out 20 percent of its production again. Everything has

been done. But one thing you must bear in mind: Labor allocation as an

institution must be independent and must remain so. Furthermore I must

ask you not to support constantly the opinion of the armament

inspectors: Sauckel must be put under the control of the Ministry then

everything will be better. Gentlemen, please see to it that that does

not happen this year. As a National Socialist of long standing I am

determined to cooperate unreservedly with you, the Minister for Armament

and Production, indeed with all those gentlemen, but, in consideration

of the difficulty in this sphere of work I must be given the amount of

freedom to make decisions of my own which was guaranteed me by the

Fuehrer’s decrees and those of the Reich Marshal. I would never have

taken on the task without these decrees, because I know it cannot be

accomplished without them. I beg you therefore, to create such an

atmosphere as is necessary among the lower ranks too so that the Gau

labor offices in the first place may be recognized as organizations

which are entrusted to me and put at my disposal for keeping the labor

commitment in order on the lower levels. * * *

* * * * *

SAUCKEL: I would like to insist on the fact that, in the future also,

the S-plants be checked; for the S-plants form a suction pump, and,

since it is known all over Italy and France, that whoever works in the

S-plants is protected from any interference on my part is proved by the

following fact. During the first three months I wanted to take out of

Italy 1 million people before 30 May. In these two months hardly 7,000

men have come. That is just the difficulty. The bulk goes to the

S-plants, and only the dregs are left for employment in Germany. I would

like to achieve yet, that for the important plants in Italy, at least

the number of S-plants be restricted, that is that the number of

S-plants be not increased.

SCHIEBER: In Italy for every protected plant there is an agreement made.

Over, beyond the situation on 15 February or 10 February, S-plants are

established only with the approval of the services under me. We have

them registered, and only when we aim at an agreement are they declared

protected plants.

SAUCKEL: Now the question arises: If in such a protected plant there are

more hands than are needed according to German standards, could they be

handed over?

SCHIEBER: They are to be combed through but the people combed through

are to be put only in other protected plants. Down there in Italy in

your services there is a demand for 7,000 hands and more. The gentlemen

are right to laugh at us saying: What does that mean, you want people,

but at the same time our great task must be the transfer of people! I

spoke with Leyers on Sunday and told him that I wished to have a

conversation with the Gauleiter about this matter: If the labor offices

state that there is still a certain surplus of hands employed, a

commissioner appointed by General Leyers must then visit the respective

plant together with a commissioner of Gauleiter Sauckel’s; they must

examine the situation, and these two gentlemen must then come to an

agreement, as to the people they remove from plants. * * * Besides these

promises concerning nutrition have not been kept to the extent we

wished. The extra food, as we had planned it has not yet appeared at all

so that there is no incentive felt; apart from this certain inner

evolutions are influencing industry at present in Italy, with the result

that especially the leading workmen who are so valuable for us partly

fail to come to the factory any more. They wait patiently until, during

the next three or four weeks, the elections and convocations in the

factories concerning socialization and the introduction of commissars,

etc., are over. * * *

SAUCKEL: In Italy, it seems, things are going on smoothly in general,

but not yet in France.

MILCH: When workmen are transferred how are their families ensured?

SAUCKEL: Automatically.

SCHIEBER: That is quite easy. If it is possible in any way, we shall

have the whole personnel transferred to another factory. * * *

* * * * *

SAUCKEL: Years ago we made an investigation like this in France and saw

that in German armament production, corresponding to districts A and B,

some 600,000 workers were occupied out of the total of some 2½ to 3

million metal workers we had anticipated. Therefore there must still be

some more metal workers hidden in France, people who were formerly in

metal trades.

MILCH: So 75 percent are still free, and 25 percent are tied up in the

S-industries.

SAUCKEL: We have to deduct the prisoners of war who are now in Germany.

But there are hundreds of thousands of skilled workers who, according to

the agreements made, have returned to France and Belgium month after

month.

* * * * *

SAUCKEL: In reply to that I must ask you the following: What do you want

to do now in Germany? In Germany you now have plane construction, the

manufacture of highly expensive apparatus, complicated engine

construction, you have here in general the most complicated manufactures

in the world. If I brought the scum of French manpower to Germany for

you what would you get as regards production? We of the Labor Allocation

were always of the opinion in the French industries we must under all

circumstances maintain a certain level of the trained workers and a

certain degree of production. And we wanted to compel these French

industries to lower their level of a hundred percent skilled personnel

for the benefit of the German industries which have been bled of their

skilled hands.

As Plenipotentiary General for the Allocation of Labor I considered my

task to be not the transfer to Germany of the scum of Europe, but the

bringing of efficient manpower. But a part of your gentlemen in France,

and in your Ministry too, had no understanding for this. That I must say

quite plainly. It would be mere child’s play for me to bring you the

refuse of Europe if you would be satisfied with it. I would simply grab

all the whores and gigolos in Paris and put them at your disposal, then

I would not have to touch your armament industries. But if I have to

provide you with real workers who will prove efficient in Germany, then

in France—and that was just my program—we must do the same as we did

in every German plant and in every German enterprise: when a German

company is split in two, some of the good workers and some of the bad

ones had to be given up and not just the bad workers. And French

armaments never were harmed thereby. It is a fact, is it not, that a

French worker of quality produces the double amount if he is put in a

German factory under German discipline, with German supervision and

German welfare?

If we agree to re-examine all S-plants—and that is all I ask—and if we

take out all superfluous expert workers and assistant workers, then we

put them at the disposal of the other French enterprises which need

them, to the extent that they need them, and when they are satisfied, I

have to request that if I am to carry out my program, then from these

plants too, workers must be transferred to Germany. If that is not

approved of and it is insisted that the severe formula be observed:

S-plants are out of question for labor commitments to Germany, then,

according to my experience, this program of January 4 can hardly be

achieved. Then you are responsible for the decision of what was better

at the end of this year, to have these people in France or in Germany.

That is the responsibility you have to bear and which I shift from my

shoulders. I was told: Why did you not take the Russian workers away in

time, now they are in the Russian regiments. Exactly the same would

happen here. My opinion is that the introducing of S-plants was

altogether a great mistake which is damaging to the general interests of

Germany. The French government jumped to that with the greatest

cleverness. * * * That is the way we did it the first year, and up to

700,000 Frenchmen came to the Reich according to the program. These were

all decent French workers. From the fall of this year on this came to an

end. No more skilled French workers came, nor any others either. It was

the entire collapse of the labor allocation built up on the slogan: From

now on no worker needs to go from France to Germany.

* * * * *

KEHRL: The consideration which originated at that time with Minister

Speer and which led to the arrangement with Bichelonne was the

following: If I cannot transfer the people by force from France to

Germany to the extent necessary, which is shown, by developments now,

and if at the same time I run the danger of having the people leave the

plants in which they are now working for fear of being taken by force,

then it is a lesser evil for me to try and put these people to work in

France and Belgium, in which case I do not have to use German force to

get them across the frontier. Then at least I am sure that the people

are not running away from the plants in the first place and secondly

that additional employment will be brought there.

He sent an invitation to Minister Bichelonne. The conferences took place

between the 16th and 18th September. The question was put to Bichelonne

to what extent the shifting of industries would be possible, and what

additional productions he could place, etc. This caused a change in the

policy of production. So far Minister Speer had chiefly shifted to

France all the urgent armament productions in those fields in which the

German capacity was insufficient. Now he said: I will not only shift

this to France, but I will also shift really important war production,

which is carried out at present in Germany with German labor, so that I

can release German labor in Germany and have this production carried out

in France, Belgium, and Holland. There is sufficient capacity in this

field in France and labor is also available in sufficient numbers.

Therefore a large part of the work can be accomplished there and I can

release the people in Germany. Thereby I am serving two ends: in the

first place I am setting free German labor and secondly I am utilizing

the French workers who are not working at all now because industry is at

standstill. And there is still a third factor, that Frenchmen will be

ready of their own accord to carry out such production as serves the

welfare of the civilian population, because with such work they are no

longer in danger of air raids and they are not working directly for the

war. So that they will not be considered as traitors to their country,

but are working for the advantage of their own country.

This development has been encouraged in the meantime. The time is still

too short to make any definite statement as to the results. In some

fields the results are already quite exceptional. In some instances we

have transferred up to 50 percent and more of the total German

requirements to the West and the manufacturing is done there. The

transfer figures are rising rapidly from month to month. The coal and

power questions are of course great obstacles. We hope, however, to

overcome them in the course of this year, because by the middle of the

year we shall have increased 25 percent of the power supply in France by

water power, the necessary constructions for which will be finished by

them, and by the end of 1944 hydroelectric stations will be ready and

they will be equal to 50 percent of the present French power production.

The idea in fact is this: to carry out there the work which up to now

has been done here and to release thereby German labor. There is yet

another reason for this. It has been pointed out by you time after time,

Gauleiter, that in these sections of industry, it is not easy to change

the workers. According to the Field Marshal’s description of the

situation, there is especially a lack of managers and supervising

personnel in the works and only German workmen can be considered for

such, and every worker, even if technically he is not so suitable, will

serve for purposes of management supervision and will lend some backbone

to the plant.

As regards the question of the S-plants, Minister Speer put the

following question to Minister Bichelonne: Are you in a position to

provide the labor for such an extensive shifting program, which involves

a certain risk? To which Bichelonne, from his standpoint quite rightly

replied: If the people are not running away into the woods for fear of

being deported to Germany I shall get them to work in French plants.

From this discussion there resulted the idea of protected plants which,

as you said, were supposed to represent a protection against Sauckel.

Whoever is there is working for Germany and may not be deported to

Germany. You said that these plants worked like a suction pump. That is

just what they were meant to do. Labor was to be drawn in with a suction

process so that the plants were full to capacity and could work for us.

The existence of the S-plants cannot and may not be undermined. It is

backed by the German promise which was given in all solemnity and which

was supported by the signature of my Minister.

* * * * *

SAUCKEL: May I again draw attention to the matter of volunteers and to

the entire process of the allocation of French labor. There was never

any program carried out in France on a voluntary basis, but the programs

have been carried out for the Todt Organization the building of

fortresses in France, on the one hand, and for the assignment in France

to the plants working for Germany and also to the plants working for

transferred industries according to concrete agreements which I made

with the French government, on the other hand. The French government

fulfilled these conditions last year. It appointed people for the

western fortifications and for the Atlantic fortifications, it appointed

people for the plants and it appointed people for Germany. In the fall

of last year, towards the end of summer, Laval declared for the first

time that he was not going to send any more people to Germany and from

then on only very few Frenchmen arrived in Germany.

* * * * *

TIMM: Will it not happen that the offices making the demands say one

day: But we know that in the French plants there is an excess of skilled

workers which cannot be justified?

MILCH: That should be discussed again later with Speer himself. First

Speer must have a survey of what has happened as the result of all his

agreements.

* * * * *

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[90] Tr. pp. 161-162.

[91] Defendant in case of Government of France _vs._ Hermann Roechling.

See Vol. XIV.

[92] DR. BERGOLD, Milch’s defense counsel, objected as follows (_Tr. p.

134_): “May it please the Tribunal, I would like to make a final

objection against the introduction of the exhibit just submitted by

prosecution, namely 41-A, for the following reason: this is an

interrogation of Sauckel, who, in conformance with the sentence passed

upon him, was executed. I am of the opinion that such an interrogation

cannot be used as evidence here, for, since Sauckel was executed, I have

no possibility whatsoever to ask him to appear here before the Tribunal

as a witness and to cross-examine him concerning his statements. In this

statement there are certain things which are not correct, and, due to

the fact that the person who made them is dead, they cannot be

corrected. The International Military Tribunal frequently ruled that

statements made by witnesses and affidavits can only be introduced when

it is possible for the defense counsel to bear these persons as

witnesses, and to ask prosecution to produce these people for

cross-examination. This is absolutely impossible in the case of Sauckel,

and I should like to ask the Tribunal to issue a ruling on whether or

not these statements can be used as evidence here.

The Court ruled as follows (_Tr. p. 194_):

PRESIDING JUDGE TOMS: The Court has determined that under the Charter

and the Ordinance this exhibit is admissible. Its weight, however, in

view of the peculiar circumstances attending it, is, of course, still

for the Tribunal to determine. This ruling is made after conference with

the judges of Tribunal I, who had a similar problem presented, and who

made the same ruling as this Tribunal now makes.

MR. DENNEY: If your Honors please, that question will come up again,

because we have interrogations and affidavits from other defendants in

the first trial, who have since either been executed or have taken their

own lives.

PRESIDING JUDGE TOMS: The Tribunal feels that the very broad scope of

the section of the Charter and the Ordinance dealing with the admission

of evidence justifies the admission of this exhibit.

[93] Defense introduced this paragraph as Defense Exhibit 5. See pp.

509-10.

[94] Another portion of the minutes of this meeting was introduced by

the defense as Defense Exhibit 8. See pp. 511-15.

[95] Defendant before International Military Tribunal. See Trial of the

Major War Criminals, vols. I-XLII, Nuremberg, 1947.

[96] Another portion of the minutes of this meeting was introduced by

the defense as Defense Exhibit 31. See pp. 517 to 523.

[97] Defendants in case of United States _vs._ Ernst von Weizsaecker, et

al. See Vols. XII, XIII, XIV.

[98] Same as note above.

[99] Defendant in case of United States _vs._ Otto Ohlendorf, et al. See

Vol. IV.

[100] Defendant in case of United States _vs._ Wilhelm von Leeb, et al.

See Vols. X, XI.

[101] Defendant in case of United States _vs._ Carl Krauch, et al. See

Vols. VII, VIII.

[102] Complete testimony is recorded in mimeographed transcript, 17 Feb.

and 4 Mar. 47, pp. 1136-1186, 1445-1457.

[103] Prosecution introduced other portions of this report as

Prosecution Exhibit 48-A. See pp. 457-59.

[104] Prosecution also introduced this document.

[105] Defense counsel, Dr. Bergold, explained (_Tr. p. 523_):

“This document shows that the defendant liked to use strong

language. It refers merely to the allocation. He speaks of

‘beating’, yet he does not mean this literally but figuratively.

The high Tribunal will remember at one time he spoke of whips

being used to force certain people to use suggested methods.

That is not what he meant.”

[106] Dr. Bergold stated (_Tr. p. 530_): “This document is submitted to

show that Field Marshal Milch was very much endeavouring to leave the

French workers in France with their own firms and only to transfer

orders over there. The International Military Tribunal has accounted as

exonerating circumstances in the case of Speer that he established in

France the protected plant system (Speer Betriebe); so far as Milch is

concerned, we wish to point out that he did the very same thing for the

airplane industry and that he tried to act in a reasonable way. I also

wish to say that the man always had in mind reasonable economic

propositions. Finally the document proves that individual remarks made

were of no consequence whatsoever, that they were only verbal flourish

which did not lead to any results. For instance, in the case of

antiaircraft batteries, the conference passes that point over, which is

shown by the last words of Speer and Milch. It is simply a marginal

remark. I will also prove that he did not say that on this occasion and

that the minutes were changed, because he had difficulties with Goering.

I shall show that this passage, criticizing Goering, was taken out of

the report because at that time serious difficulties arose between him

and Goering.”

[107] Another portion of the minutes of this meeting was introduced by

the prosecution as Prosecution Exhibit 48-A. See pp. 467-71.

[108] Another portion of the minutes of this meeting was introduced by

the prosecution as Exhibit 48-A, See pp. 484 to 498.

3. THE JAEGERSTAB[109]

_EXCERPT FROM STATEMENT OF THE PROSECUTION

REGARDING MILCH’S ACTIVITY IN THE

JAEGERSTAB, 13 JANUARY 1947_[110]

MR. KING: If your Honors please, the prosecution begins now the

presentation of that phase of its case dealing with the defendant

Milch’s participation in the Jaegerstab. I might add that that has to do

with the slave labor phase of the Milch case.

First, I wish to say a few words about the background of the Jaegerstab.

The Jaegerstab was formed on 1 March 1944 by decree of Albert Speer

issued pursuant to an order of Adolf Hitler. Our evidence will show,

however, that it was the defendant Milch who conceived and instigated

the formation of the Jaegerstab.

The purpose of the Jaegerstab was increased production of fighter

aircraft. Fighter plane production had suffered severe set-backs due to

British and American air attacks. Defendant Milch and his Luftwaffe had

also suffered in the battle for new raw materials.

Fighter aircraft were Germany’s principal defense against bombing raids.

Early in 1944 the defendant Milch had concluded that without adequate

fighter protection the entire German armament industry would soon be

destroyed. After repeated urgings, Milch was finally successful in his

efforts to create a special commission of top officials from various

ministries to undertake a special effort in the field of fighter

production.

The Jaegerstab, therefore, was actually a concentration of experts drawn

from various ministries. Our evidence will show that the defendant Milch

and Speer were designated as the joint chiefs of the Jaegerstab with

Karl Adolf Saur acting as Chief of Staff.

The methods adopted by the Jaegerstab in the execution of its tasks were

(1) transfer of German aircraft industry underground, (2) the

decentralization of German aircraft industry, (3) quick repair of

bombed-out plants.

Our proof will show that the labor for this program, which was the

decisive consideration in the discussions of the Jaegerstab, was

obtained from three sources: (1) Sauckel Ministry, (2) concentration

camps, (3) direct recruitment from occupied countries.

Evidence

_Prosecution Documents_

Doc. No. Pros. Ex. No. Description of Document Page

NOKW-017 54 Extracts from the minutes of 527

the conference with air force

engineers and chief

quartermasters under

chairmanship of Milch, 25

March 1944.

NOKW-261 70 Chart of the organization of 535

the Jaegerstab drawn by Saur

with letter of transmittal to

prosecution staff, 14

November 1946.

1584-III-PS 71 Correspondence between Himmler 537

and Goering, 9 March 1944,

concerning the use of

concentration camp prisoners

in the aircraft industry.

R-124 48-E Extracts from the minutes of 539

discussions between Saur and

the Fuehrer, 6 and 7 April

1944.

NOKW-247 61 Appointment of Field Marshal 540

Milch as Goering’s

plenipotentiary for the

intensification of air force

armament.

F-824 57 Order of Field Marshal von 542

Kluge regarding compulsory

recruitment of labor in the

West, 25 July 1944.

NOKW-337 75 Extracts from transcript of 544

stenographic minutes of the

Jaegerstab Conference of 6

March 1944.

NOKW-338 75 Extracts from transcript of 545

stenographic minutes of the

Jaegerstab Conference on

Friday, 17 March 1944.

NOKW-346 75 Extracts from transcript of 546

stenographic minutes of the

Jaegerstab Conference under

chairmanship of Field Marshal

Milch on Monday, 20 March

1944.

NOKW-388 75 Extracts from transcript of 547

stenographic minutes of the

Jaegerstab Conference of 28

March 1944.

NOKW-334 75 Extract from transcript of 550

stenographic minutes of the

Jaegerstab Conference of 25

April 1944.

NOKW-362 75 Extracts from transcript of 552

stenographic minutes of

Jaegerstab Conference on the

occasion of the 5th trip of

the “Hubertus Undertaking”, 2

and 3 May 1944.

NOKW-390 75 Extract from transcript of 553

stenographic minutes of the

Jaegerstab Conference of 4

May 1944.

NOKW-442 75 Extract from transcript of 554

stenographic minutes of the

Jaegerstab Conference on 5

May 1944.

NOKW-361 75 Extract from transcript of 554

stenographic minutes of the

Jaegerstab Conference during

the 6th journey of the

“Hubertus Undertaking” from

8-10 May 1944.

NOKW-336 75 Extracts from transcript of 555

stenographic minutes of the

Jaegerstab Conference on 26

May 1944.

NOKW-359 75 Extracts from transcript of 557

stenographic minutes of the

Jaegerstab Conference on 27

June 1944.

NOKW-320 73 Extract from interrogation of 558

Karl Otto Saur on 13 November

1946, concerning the use of

concentration camp prisoners

in Jaegerstab construction.

NOKW-266 76 Affidavit of Fritz Schmelter, 559

19 November 1946, concerning

the organization of the

Jaegerstab.

_Defense Documents_

Doc. No. Pros. Ex. No. Description of Document Page

Speer Ex. 34 17 Order of Hitler, 21 April 1944, 560

delegating to Dorsch

authority for Jaegerstab

constructions.

NOKW-337 12 Excerpts from the stenographic 561

minutes of the Jaegerstab

Conference on 6 March 1944 in

the Reich Air Ministry.

NOKW-338 13 Excerpts from the stenographic 562

minutes of the Jaegerstab

Conference presided over by

Field Marshal Milch on

Friday, 17 March 1944, 1100

hours, in the Reich Air

Ministry.

NOKW-365 15 Extract from the stenographic 563

minutes of the Jaegerstab

Conference, 12 April 1944.

NOKW-334 16 Extracts from stenographic 564

minutes of the Jaegerstab

Conference, 25 April 1944.

NOKW-442 21 Extract from the stenographic 565

minutes of the Jaegerstab

Conference, 5 May 1944.

NOKW-336 23 Excerpts from the stenographic 566

minutes of the Jaegerstab

Conference on Friday, 26 May

1944, at 10:00 o’clock.

_Testimony_

Extracts of testimony of defense witness Fritz Schmelter 567

Extracts of testimony of defense witness Xaver Dorsch 583

PARTIAL TRANSLATION OF DOCUMENT NOKW-017

PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 54

EXTRACTS FROM THE MINUTES OF THE CONFERENCE WITH AIR

FORCE ENGINEERS AND CHIEF QUARTERMASTERS UNDER

CHAIRMANSHIP OF MILCH, 25 MARCH 1944

[Handwritten note] To my files

Mi.

_Secret_

_MINUTES OF THE CONFERENCE WITH AIR FORCE ENGINEERS

AND CHIEF QUARTERMASTERS UNDER

THE CHAIRMANSHIP OF FIELD MARSHAL

MILCH ON SATURDAY, 25 MARCH 1944,

AT 10 O’CLOCK_

Dr. Koppert/Lm.

25 March 1944

FIELD MARSHAL MILCH: Gentlemen! I welcome you. I have called you

together here in order to discuss with you questions of importance for

our German defense.

Beginning with the year 1942, the Luftwaffe put special emphasis upon a

considerable increase in the number of fighter planes produced each

month which at that time amounted to 200 to 220. It was possible, by

July of last year, to exceed the figure of one thousand as the norm, in

accordance with our program. Then the heavy raids, especially against

our armament industry, began first against the preliminary industry

[Vorindustrie] in the Ruhr, then against our fighter and airplane

industry itself. The enemy enumerated 65 completely destroyed fighter

factories and factories producing parts for fighters in his lists.

Beginning in the middle of 1942 we undertook extensive evacuations, and

did so to small localities above ground, smaller places, and the like.

In so doing, about 4½ million square meters of factory space, productive

space, were evacuated. That was the maximum that could be accomplished

with the means at our disposal. We were lacking in transport space, we

were lacking in machine tools, and primarily we were lacking in skilled

workers and managerial forces, more of whom are of course needed in a

dispersed system of manufacture than in a centralized system. The

extraordinary drafting into the Wehrmacht and just at the end also the

SE 3-drive deprived the Luftwaffe armament industry of its key

personnel. We have in our employ today approximately 60 percent

foreigners and 40 percent Germans, whereby one has to take into

consideration that the women work in the factories only half a day.

Therefore, the ratio of Germans to foreigners becomes considerably more

unfavorable. The ratio is gradually approaching 90 percent foreign with

10 percent German supervising them. The rest of the Germans are

concentrated in development factories and the like.

The enemy has now adopted a definite plan—as you as soldiers know

yourselves and learn constantly from foreign news—of destroying

aircraft production first, and mainly the production of fighter planes

and night fighters, in order to be able to deal with Germany as he

pleases. The enemy believes that this stage has almost been reached now.

There is, however, still some confusion in his news reports. One day he

expresses his amazement that the German fighter planes did not appear.

Then again the newspapers receive a secret directive: “Unpleasant

surprises do occur, so do not emphasize so strongly that the enemy has

already disappeared from the air.” On the whole, however, the enemy

hopes that it has come to the point where Germany’s backbone has been

broken or that at least that stage has almost been reached where the

enemy has been granted the possibility of dealing with Germany as he

pleases.

Another plan our Western enemies have concerns the questions surrounding

the concept of the invasion. The invasion and its success would of

course also be favorably influenced by a destruction of German anti-air

raid defenses.

We of the Luftwaffe armaments have been asking for over a year already

that a strong home defense in the air be set up. We have made efforts to

establish the prerequisites necessary for this, namely, the providing of

sufficient planes to serve as day and night fighters. * * * Being fully

aware that the strength of the Luftwaffe alone is insufficient both as

regards quotas and with respect to the workers, etc., in order to bring

about an extensive change in the field of air armaments, we applied to

Minister Speer and his colleagues to undertake a common special effort

in this field. The establishment of a Ruhr staff served as an example

for us; it was established at the time when the industry in the Ruhr

area seemed to be entirely put out of commission by the continuous

raids. At that time the Ruhr staff was set up and the necessary quotas,

buildings, etc., were put at its disposal. Thereby the entire situation

was changed. Minister Speer and his colleagues, fully aware that without

air armaments and without air defense the rest of the armament industry

would very soon be destroyed and become useless, agreed to this plan

enthusiastically and with initiative. Thus it came about that a definite

proposal was made to the Reich Marshal and the Fuehrer: the Jaegerstab

was created. The order of the Fuehrer provides clearly that the fighter

plane program which the Jaegerstab is starting has priority over all

other fields of armament, which means, to be sure, that other important

armaments are not to be infringed upon by it. * * *

* * * * *

The Jaegerstab is made up as follows: the direction is in the hands of

Reich Minister Speer and myself. Deputy for both of us, and at the same

time our chief of staff, is Hauptdienstleiter Dipl. Ing. Saur, who is

sitting on my left. Saur is the man who carried out the large-scale

armament program for the army and the navy in the Speer Ministry in

recent years in an exemplary manner. Saur again and again during the

past year and a half succeeded in raising the production figures in all

important fields and sometimes even in multiplying them.

Further, I name only the leaders of the Jaegerstab. We have put the

question of over-all planning in the hands of Dr. Wegener. Construction

matters will be directed by Dipl. Ing. Schlempp. The evacuation

underground will be in the hands of SS Gruppenfuehrer Kammler. The

supply, one of the most essential factors, and everything in the way of

semi-manufactured material that comes to our factories for completion,

will be taken care of by Director Schaaf, deputy to Staatsrat Dr.

Schieber, the chief of the armament supply office

[Ruestungslieferungsamt] in Speer’s Ministry. Dr. Schmelter will take

care of labor commitment. Sites suitable for dispersal, confiscations,

etc., will be in the hands of Ministerialrat Speh of the armaments

supply office. Gruppenfuehrer Nagel of the Organization Speer will be in

charge of transportation. The supply of power will be in the hands of

General Director Fischer. Engineer Lange will be in charge of machinery,

Mr. Nobel of repairs. Reich railroad questions will be in the hands of

the President of the Reich railroad, Pueckler. Post Office: Oberpostrat

Dr. Zerbel. Health matters: Dr. Poschmann. Social welfare: Dr.

Birkenholz. Special problems for Me 262 and steel power units: Captain

Dr. Krome. Raw materials and quota system: Dr. Stoffregen. Questions of

technical simplification, etc.: Oberstabsing. Klinker. Office manager:

Petri.

* * * On the spot the individual gentlemen are then told, supported by

the combined authority of the state, the Wehrmacht, and the Party, that

is, Saur and me—Speer is unfortunately still on sick leave, otherwise

he would also be present—what it is all about. That takes ten minutes.

After ten minutes the individual members of the Jaegerstab disappear and

get together with the men from the factory who are competent for their

sphere of activity. Thus, all pertinent questions are dealt with in the

conferences about the commitment of labor, and all competent men, who

have anything to do with the commitment of labor meet, especially the

president of the competent Provincial Labor Office. Thus it is

determined on the spot, in the individual spheres, what the factory

lacks. If the circumstances require it, it is immediately demonstrated

to the factory that their requests are nonsense. Unreasonable demands

and excessive claims are revised. Well-founded demands are immediately

filled. While the discussions are still going on, telegrams are sent to

the different offices, and the people are already set to work. In

general, the people arrive in 24 hours. Unfortunately there are

exceptions, for which the Wehrmacht sector is responsible. The Wehrmacht

does not work as smoothly and beautifully as civilian offices. It is an

error to believe that civilian offices are more bureaucratic than

military offices. On the basis of my continuous and extensive experience

I can assure you exactly the opposite is true.

* * * * *

* * * Our entire German ball-bearing industry, and that outside Germany,

was eliminated one hundred percent by the enemy in a, I must say,

brilliant attacking operation: Erfurt, Schweinfurt, Frankfurt on the

Main, Stuttgart, Italy. We were faced with the question whether without

ball bearings we could produce new planes at all, new tanks, or whether

we had to capitulate as an armament industry. For ball bearings are an

indispensable factor in modern armament industry. One finds and needs

them everywhere, even in places where one does not think of them at

first. Now it became apparent, thank God, that the branches of the

Wehrmacht had hoarded ball bearings and roller bearings in such large

masses that we got along for three months with the hoarded material

alone. In this case it was lucky that we still had so much, that so many

ball bearings had been hoarded. I have to admit that. But that is not

the normal way. It is certain that in the whole period up to now too

many spare parts have been requested just in order to gather such

hoards. And this in spite of the fact that not everything has been

attained by far, but only very large stocks. I should like to say that

with the material you have, 20 to 30,000 planes could be newly built or

newly equipped without further ado. That is how much material you have!

And this does not concern large parts; for in that field I was always

strict—it concerns rather all the accessories and apparatus. In

considering these figures one has to know that about 52 percent of the

total man-hours are spent in equipping a plane and only 48 percent in

building the aircraft frame and the engine. Only then does one realize

fully the importance for us of all that small junk that is lying around

all over. It is not necessary that the troops always take along all

their spare parts. * * *

Gentlemen, in this connection I may call your attention to another

important point. If I visit an office and find out that something is

being hidden there, then I ask for the death penalty for such a crime

today! That is fraud! That is sabotage of the German armament industry!

* * * * *

Then there is still the human factor. We often had considerable

difficulty with the human factor. The fluctuation there is very

considerable. The quota of the Luftwaffe in the distribution of manpower

is constantly lowered. The foreigners run away. They do not keep to any

contract. There are difficulties with Frenchmen, Italians, Dutch. The

prisoners of war are partly unruly and fresh. These people are also

supposed to be carrying on sabotage. These elements cannot be made more

efficient _by small means. They are just not handled strictly enough._

If a decent foreman would sock one of those unruly guys because the

fellow won’t work, then the situation would soon change. _International

law cannot be observed here._ I have asserted myself very strongly, and

with the help of Saur I have very strongly represented the point of view

that the prisoners, with the exception of the English and the Americans,

_should be taken away from the military authorities_. Soldiers are not

in a position, as experience has shown, to cope with these fellows who

know all the answers. I shall take very strict measures here and shall

put such a prisoner of war before my court martial. If he has committed

sabotage or refused to work, I will have him hanged, right in his own

factory. I am convinced that that will not be without effect.

Anyhow, the strangest things occur in the treatment of the workers. It

is said that the people collapse, and then one has to find out that they

have a furlough of three or four days every eight weeks. That is dirty

business of the first order and treason to the country! Then perhaps a

construction battalion arrives and is supposed to be put to work. The

commanding officer, perhaps some overfed grade-school teacher, declares

that the men must drill and must take part in sports! Damn it, the

fellows are there to work so that the maximum amount of work will

result. One has to act very strictly here. A construction battalion was

ordered to Regensburg. The commanding officer was one of those scholars

who said he could not billet the men in peacetime conditions and,

therefore, he refused to start work. Such a guy should be convicted by a

court martial and hanged. I would be grateful if the gentlemen would

proceed in that manner. As with me in industry, so every stupidity is

possible everywhere else also. As chief, one has to take up these

matters. I know what kind of obstacles become apparent. There is

bureaucracy. It is not easy to go against bureaucracy. But we have to

cut through that also, and if you, Gentlemen, proceed with the right

attitude here, then we are already assured of success.

* * * * *

* * * In saying this I do not even consider the fact that the workshops

have first-class personnel, whereas we in the Luftwaffe armament

industry have Russians, French prisoners of war, Dutch, and members of

32 other nations. Obtaining interpreters alone presents a big difficulty

there. * * *

A further question concerns the efforts for housing the machines. That

is very important, and I would be very grateful if you would think this

matter over also. In this manner you would not only facilitate the

question of spare parts but also the scarce supply of materials. Each

fighter plane contains about one ton of aluminum. Every small bomber

contains four tons of aluminum; and a larger bomber, seven to eight

tons. The captured bombers contain eleven to twelve tons of aluminum.

There are in any case tremendous amounts of material involved here. Let

us take twelve tons as normal for an American heavy bomber, or let us

say only ten tons, and let us assume that we actually shoot down 500

such American bombers a month and that we can salvage them over our own

territory; that alone means 5,000 tons of aluminum, 5,000 tons: that is

25 percent of the aluminum quota at the disposal of the Luftwaffe. You

can see how important these questions are, too. We can certainly count

on more Americans being shot down in the future because we will have

more fighter planes.

* * * * *

I further ask for support by the Luftwaffe physicians. With all the

rabble that we have among the foreign workers there is of course a lot

of shirking. At the moment the Russians—that is, the Russian prisoners

of war—are feigning a lot of fatigue and illness. The incidence of

sickness of one-and-a-half to two percent which we have had up to now

has at least doubled and in some factories it has been increased to

eight, nine, and ten percent. That is, of course, done by previous

agreement. There the official physicians must undertake an examination

and if the physicians, who have to be very strict, find out that it is

not true, then we return the fellows to work by means of the whip. Then

the whip serves as cure.

A further request which is very important from the point of view of

leadership! Sometimes we do not know in case of an alert what orders we

want to give for our factories. If a factory knows that it is about to

be attacked, and it has a few trench shelters but does not have a

bomb-proof shelter or the like, then the people simply run away from the

factory, automatically at each raid, after the first one, and they

usually cannot be caught the next day, either. That applies particularly

to the foreigners. We have, therefore, now issued the following order,

and have equipped the superiors accordingly with weapons and pistols: as

soon as a factory which has already been attacked a few times can count

on the raids being aimed at that particular factory again, then the

personnel leave the factory; but in closed groups by shops, under the

leadership of the man in charge of the shop, and, to the extent that

they are German personnel, they leave singing military songs. The people

are led away from the factory to a distance of 1,000 or 1,500 meters.

There they have to lie down in slit trenches and watch their factory

from there, so that they can immediately rush to it after the raid in

order to help and to save what can be saved. That is the only correct

way to do it. * * *

* * * * *

Gentlemen, you come from the fronts, and some of you were perhaps

surprised to see how Berlin looks. I recommend to you, if you still have

time today, to drive around in a bus and see Berlin. The center still

looks quite nice. But have a look at other districts of Berlin too, or

look at Frankfurt or Duesseldorf or whatever all of these places are

called, in their present condition; then you will admit to me that the

population will not be able to endure this condition permanently; not

that there is any danger of a revolution or any such thing as we know it

from 1918. But at a certain point a human being just cannot endure any

more. It is quite surprising how the population has endured this thing

so far or how it always gets on its feet again, when it is led in the

proper way by true leaders (Fuehrer) who, thank God, are present among

the people through the Party and the rest of the leadership. But you

must not forget, Gentlemen, the war of nerves has reached a point which

causes us in the leadership group worry. The people cannot endure that

forever.

One does not have to see only how the people are working—I have told

you that—but also how they live, where they are living today, how they

are sleeping today. There are hundreds of thousands of Berliners who

have not known any heating for months, who have not been able to take a

bath for months, who have not been able to shave with warm water for

months, and the like. They are happy if they can still put their warm

coffee [Plirsch] in their stomachs in the morning and at noon their

soup. And with that they work seventy-two hours. It is a damned

difficult affair. Whoever does not understand that and whoever does not

say on this occasion: From now on our work will be done quite

differently than was the case so far, is a miserable wretch in my

opinion. And everyone of us and everyone you appoint has to be trained

to accomplish in this sphere what the others have been accomplishing for

a long time. We have to do that, we have to increase our production so

that we can push the enemy back in the next few weeks and months in the

same way as he has advanced to Berlin and farther, step by step.

* * * * *

Please go wherever you are going and knock everybody down who blocks

your way! We cover up everything here. We do not ask whether he is

allowed to or whether he is not allowed to. For us, there is nothing but

this one task. We are fanatics in this sphere. We do not even consider

letting anything at all distract us from that task. No order exists

which could prevent me from fulfilling this task. Nor shall I ever be

given such an order. Now, do not let anything deter you, and get your

people to the point that no one deters them. If there is a little

hindrance from below, this is not due to ill will but to stupidity.

Gentlemen! In the fifth year of war stupidity is a crime!

* * * * *

Gentlemen, I know, not every subordinate can say: For me, the law no

longer exists, but he has to have someone who covers up for him, not out

of cowardice; but if you act according to the spirit of the old field

service regulation, “Abstaining from doing something hurts us more than

erring in the choice of the means,” and if, moreover, you keep in touch

and immediately clarify difficult points so that something can be done,

then we are willing to accept the responsibility, whether this is the

law or not. I see only two possibilities for me and for Germany: Either

we succeed and thereby save Germany, or we continue these slipshod

methods and then get the fate that we deserve. I prefer to fall while I

am doing something that is against the rules but that is right and

sensible and be called to account for it and, if you like, hanged,

rather than be hanged because Papa Stalin is here in Berlin, or the

Englishman. I have no desire for that. I would rather die in a different

way. But I think we can accomplish this task, too. We are in the fifth

year of war. I repeat: The decision will come within the next six weeks!

Heil Hitler!

(End: 12:20 hours)

TRANSLATION OF DOCUMENT NOKW-261

PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 70

CHART OF THE ORGANIZATION OF THE JAEGERSTAB DRAWN

BY SAUR WITH LETTER OF TRANSMITTAL TO PROSECUTION

STAFF, 14 NOVEMBER 1946

Nuernberg, 14 November 1946

K. O. Saur

TO: Mr. King, via Prison Office.

In accordance with your request enclosed please find the organization

chart of the Jaegerstab which was founded by decree of Reich Minister

Speer on 1 March 1944. The chart was drawn up from memory.

The working methods of the Jaegerstab are disclosed in their essence by

the following paragraph from the Armament Staff Charter issued by Reich

Minister Speer on 1 August 1944.

“Also in the future in order to prevent the Armament Staff from

developing gradually into an extensive agency, the regulation

concerning the purely personal membership will be maintained, as

was the case for the Jaegerstab. The technical work will be

done, therefore, in the office and agencies to which the

personal members belong, under the responsibility of the

competent office chiefs or agency directors.”

The ministries and their offices or agencies responsible for the

different tasks are mentioned individually in the organization chart.

For reasons of clarity, the Jaegerstab, as liaison office, has been

framed in red; the technological office, which then was under my own

responsibility has been framed in blue. [See legend on chart.]

[Signed] SAUR

[Illustration: Chart: Responsible Groups and/or Main Departments.]

TRANSLATION OF DOCUMENT 1584-III-PS

PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 71

CORRESPONDENCE BETWEEN HIMMLER AND GOERING, 9 MARCH

1944, CONCERNING THE USE OF CONCENTRATION CAMP

PRISONERS IN THE AIRCRAFT INDUSTRY

1879/44 Secret 9 March 1944

Field-command office

Subject: Employment of prisoners in the aviation industry.

Reference: Teletype of 14 February 1944.

5 copies, 5th copy

Top Secret State Matter

Most honored Reich Marshal,

Following my teletype letter of 18 February 1944, I herewith transmit a

survey on the employment of prisoners in the aviation industry.[111]

This survey indicates that at the present time about _36,000 prisoners_

are employed for the purposes of the air force. An increase to a total

of _90,000 prisoners_ is contemplated.

The production is being discussed, established, and executed between the

Reich Ministry of Aviation and the Chief of my Economic Administrative

Main Office, SS Obergruppenfuehrer and General of the Waffen SS

Pohl.[112]

We shall render assistance with all forces at our disposal.

The task of my Economic Administrative Main Office, however, is not

solely fulfilled with the delivery of the prisoners to the aviation

industry, as SS Obergruppenfuehrer Pohl and his assistants take care of

the required working speed through constant control and supervision of

the work-groups [Kommandos] and therefore have some influence on the

results of production. In this respect I may suggest consideration of

the fact that in enlarging our responsibility through a speeding up of

the total work better results can definitely be expected.

We also have for some time adjusted our own stone quarries to production

for the air force. For instance, in Flossenbuerg near Weiden the

prisoners employed previously in the quarry are working now in the

fighter plane program for the Messerschmitt corporation, Regensburg,

which saw in the availability of our stonemason shops and labor forces

after the attack on Regensburg at that time a favorable opportunity for

the immediate partial transfer of their production. Altogether 4,000

prisoners will work there after the expansion. We produce now with 2,000

men 900 sets of engine cowlings and radiator covers as well as 120,000

single parts of various kinds for the fighter Me 109.

In Oranienburg we are now employing 6,000 prisoners at the Heinkel works

for construction of the He 177. With these we are supplying 60 percent

of the total crew of the plant.

The prisoners are working without fault. Up till now 200 suggestions

regarding the improvement of work have been handed in at Heinkel from

the ranks of the prisoners, which were used and were rewarded with

premiums. We are increasing this employment to 8,000 prisoners.

We also have employed female prisoners in the aviation industry. For

instance at the mechanical workshops in Neubrandenburg 2,500 women are

working now in the manufacture of devices for dropping bombs and rudder

control. The plant has adjusted the total aerial production to employ

prisoners. In the month of January 30,000 devices as well as 500 rudder

controls and altitude regulators have been manufactured. We are

increasing employment to 4,000 women. The performance of the women is

excellent.

In our own plant in Butschowitz near Bruenn (Brno) we produce also for

the air force, there however with civilian workers. This plant supplies

14,000 wooden-built rear control apparatus for Me 109 to the

Messerschmitt Corporation, Augsburg.

The movement of manufacturing plants of the aviation industry to

subterranean locations requires _further_ employment of about 100,000

prisoners. The plans for this employment on the basis of your letter of

14 February 1944 are already under way.

I shall keep you, most honored Reich Marshal, currently informed on this

subject.

Heil Hitler!

[Initialed] H.H.

[HEINRICH HIMMLER]

TRANSLATION OF DOCUMENT R-124

PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 48-E

EXTRACTS FROM THE MINUTES OF DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN SAUR

AND THE FUEHRER, 6 AND 7 APRIL 1944

Top Secret State Matter

The Chief of the Technical Office

TA Ch S/Kr

Berlin, 9 April 1944

_MINUTES OF DISCUSSIONS WITH THE FUEHRER

ON 6 AND 7 APRIL 1944_

* * * * *

16. Reports made to the Fuehrer by myself [Saur] and Field Marshal

Milch, based on tables and drawings, as to the achievements of the

Jaegerstab stressing the satisfactory cooperation of the new

organization with all offices and plants. Reported in detail that plans

have been made for the best part of transfers, and that, as a first

installment, the decentralization above ground will be completed by

August, and, as the second installment, that the most vulnerable plants

will be underground by the end of the year.

17. Field Marshal Milch reported on the result of a construction staff

meeting of the Central Planning Board according to which the most

important building projects only could materialize due to a great

tension in general conditions. In spite of this, the Fuehrer demands

that the two huge buildings of 600,000 square meters each should be

erected with all speed. He agrees that one of these buildings is not to

be made from concrete but—according to our suggestion—will be set up

as an extension of, and close to, the Middle Plant [Mittelwerk] as a

so-called “Middle-Building” [Mittelbau], and that this plant will be

placed under the direction of the Junkers Works. Plans have to be made

without delay to secure production in bottleneck items of the Junkers

Works, production of Me 262 at 1,000 per month, and fighters at 2,000

per month.

Suggested to the Fuehrer that, due to lack of builders and equipment,

the second big building project should not be set up in German territory

but in close vicinity to the border on suitable soil (preferably on

gravel base and with transport facilities) on French, Belgian, or Dutch

territory. The Fuehrer agrees to this suggestion if the works could be

set up behind a fortified zone. For the suggestion of setting this plant

up in French territory speaks mainly the fact that it would be much

easier to procure the necessary workers. Nevertheless, the Fuehrer asks

that an attempt be made to set up the second works in a safer area,

namely in the Protectorate. If it should prove impossible there, too, to

get hold of the necessary workers, the Fuehrer himself will contact the

Reich Leader SS and will give an order that the required 100,000 men are

to be made available by bringing in Jews from Hungary. Stressing the

fact that the building organization of the Industry Association Silesia

[Industriegemeinschaft Schlesien] was a failure, the Fuehrer demands

that these works must be built by the O.T. [Organization Todt]

exclusively and that the workers should be made available by the Reich

Leader SS. He wants to hold a meeting shortly in order to discuss

details with all the men concerned.

* * * * *

The Fuehrer agrees that these items may be used as a basis for future

conferences.

[signed] SAUR

[typed] (SAUR)

TRANSLATION OF DOCUMENT NOKW-247

PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 61

APPOINTMENT OF FIELD MARSHAL MILCH AS GOERING’S

PLENIPOTENTIARY FOR THE INTENSIFICATION OF

AIR FORCE ARMAMENT

_Copy_

The Reich Marshal of Greater Germany

Chairman of the Reich Defense Council

Berlin, June [sic]

_AUTHORIZATION_

The war situation calls for the utmost intensification of the armament

capacity of the German Air Force within the shortest time. The goal of

the measures to be taken has to be the fourfold increase of the present

production in all branches of air force armament. I commission the State

Secretary of the Ministry of Aviation, Field Marshal Milch, with the

speediest execution of this intensification of armament ordered by the

Fuehrer. To secure the attainment of the end at which we aim I confer

herewith the most extensive power of authority on Field Marshal Milch

within the sphere defined as follows:

1. Shutting-down and seizure of factories, decisions about

expropriations and forced leases, seizure and expropriation of

construction material in agreement with the Plenipotentiary General for

Construction, erection of auxiliary buildings exempted from restricting

provisions of the building police, of the office for the supervision of

industry, of air-raid protection, social institutions, etc., as far as

these provisions are incompatible with the fast completion of the

building projects.

2. Confiscation, expropriation, and renting of machinery of all kinds

and its distribution to the armament factories of the Luftwaffe. Forced

transfer of workers who are unemployed or employed in industry of any

kind whatsoever, this not only for the erection of the buildings but

also for allocation to Luftwaffe armament factories.

3. Confiscation of raw materials absolutely essential for the Luftwaffe

program; only superfluous raw materials may then be distributed in the

manner as now. This refers especially to light metals and gasoline.

4. Removal and transfer of key personnel of the entire armament industry

irrespective of existing contracts under private law; cancellations of

or changes in existing powers of authorization, and issue of new powers;

creation of industrial associations, patent associations, merger of

companies; creation of new companies, and separation of uneconomically

working firms and their coordination or subordination to better managed

firms.

5. Deviation from existing regulations about the financing of the war

and premiums in cases where the utmost intensification of output cannot

be achieved otherwise. In this connection due consideration has to be

given to the economical situation and to the financial capacity of the

firms involved.

6. All decisions of and all measures taken by my plenipotentiary on the

basis of this authorization have to be regarded as if they were ordered

by me. These decrees and measures have priority in respect to all other

official directions and decrees as far as these are not compatible with

the speediest execution of the intensification of the production

capacity.

TRANSLATION OF DOCUMENT F-824

PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 57

ORDER OF FIELD MARSHAL VON KLUGE REGARDING

COMPULSORY RECRUITMENT OF LABOR IN THE WEST,

25 JULY 1944

Secret [Stamp]

2_a_ [Handwritten]

Headquarters, 25 July 1944

546 [Handwritten]

Commander in Chief West Section

IaT No. 1731/44 secret

Reference: 1. OKW/WFST/Qu. (Adm.1) Qu.2 (West) No. 05201/44 secret of 8

July 1944 (_distributed only to Commander in Chief West and

the Military Commanders._)

2. OKW/WFST/Qu. (Adm.1) Qu.2 (West) No. 05431/44 secret of 19

July 1944.

(File Notes)

Subject: Procurement of Labor in the West.

With Ref. to 2, Chief OKW has ordered:

“The communication of Field Marshal Von Kluge of 8 July, addressed to

the Reich Minister for Armament and War Production, crossed with my

order of the same day.” (OKW/WFST/Qu. (Adm. 1) Qu. 2 (West) No. 05201/44

secret).

From this it is evident that, by order of the Fuehrer, under suspension

of orders to the contrary, the wishes of the Plenipotentiary for Labor

[Sauckel] and of Reich Minister Speer must, in principle, be carried

out. Further, to my teletype, the following additional general

directions apply in future, as a result of the conference of ministers

in the Reich Chancellery on 11 July, about which the Commander in Chief

West will have been informed by the military commander:

Rejecting justified misgivings with regard to peace and security in the

interior of the country, seizures must be carried out wherever the

opportunities referred to in my above-mentioned teletype offer

themselves. As the only limitation, the Fuehrer has ordered that no

forcible means shall be employed against the population in the actual

combat area as long as it [the population] shows itself prepared to

assist the German Armed Forces. However, recruiting of volunteers from

among refugees from the combat zone is to be carried out vigorously.

Moreover, every means is justified to seize as much labor as possible

otherwise, apart from [using] the powers granted to the armed forces.

In order to render as effective as possible the measures which have been

introduced, the troops are furthermore to be instructed in general as to

the necessity of the organization for conscription of labor in order to

put an end to the open and covert resistance which has arisen in many

instances. The field commandants and the offices of the military

administration must give wide support to the representatives of the

Plenipotentiary for Labor Allocation and refrain from encroaching on

their sphere of activity.

I now direct that the necessary orders in this sense be given and that I

be constantly informed about the measures taken and their execution.

_Indorsement of Commander in Chief West_:

In accordance with this, Commander in Chief West has reported the

following to the Chief of the OKW on 23 July 1944:

1. I have authorized the execution of the Sauekel-Laval agreement

of 12 May in spite of misgivings because of interior security.

2. I will issue more detailed directives for the execution of the

measures in the combat zone in accordance with OKW/WFST/Qu.

(Adm.1)/2 (West) No. 05201/44 secret of 8 July 1944.

The Commander in Chief West

[Typewritten] VON KLUGE

Field Marshal

Additional orders will follow.

For the Commander in Chief West

The Chief of Staff

BY ORDER

(illegible signature)

Colonel, GSC

Distribution:

High Command Army Group B

High Command Army Group G

Armored Group Command West

_Mil. Cmdr. in France_

Armed Forces Commander in Belgium and northern France

For Information:

Commander in Chief West/Ic [Intelligence]

IaT (Draft)

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PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 75

EXTRACTS FROM TRANSCRIPT OF STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF

THE JAEGERSTAB CONFERENCE OF 6 MARCH 1944

SS MAJOR: [unidentified] I have already discussed with Lt. Col. Diesing

our requirements according to our construction plan in the immediate

program. From tomorrow 5,000 prisoners will be in readiness to carry out

this measure. For that we need 750 guard personnel.

* * * * *

FIELD MARSHAL MILCH: We must distribute our German people as key

personnel. That is, out of three construction companies we can probably

make ten complete ones by introducing 70 percent foreigners.

SS MAJOR: They must be skilled workers. In handling the prisoners, it

appears best that we should give 5 to 10 of them to one man who knows

his job.

SAUR: The construction companies will be dissolved to provide key

personnel for teams 10 times or even 100 times their size. That is a

question which must be clarified by 10 a.m. tomorrow between the

Plenipotentiary General for Construction and the air force construction

units on one side and Kammler’s construction staff on the other. That

will be clarified by tomorrow and he then must say what he needs. The

Todt Organization must take part in the discussion, but I cannot consent

to the inclusion of the Todt Organization in the matter as a third

leading organization, as we would get confused. The Todt Organization

must bleed with the rest. It is the same as your construction companies.

It is the donor but he is the organizer and usufructuary. He is by all

means the usufructuary. For besides being organizer, he is the

usufructuary for the construction sites of the Plenipotentiary General

for Construction.

SS MAJOR: Therefore it is important that these construction companies

should be under military leadership!

FIELD MARSHAL MILCH: * * * We further appealed to the Fuehrer that we

should get the 64 miners who are in Berchtesgaden, as the work there

will probably soon be finished. He made the suggestion that we, like the

SS, should also train miners in the greater degree and mentioned the

figure of 10,000 who would have to be trained one after another because

they could not all be trained at once.

SAUR: The SS should be told that the training of miners should rest

entirely with them because the SS runs the best mining school.

FIELD MARSHAL MILCH: We must also ask the SS to get more miners from

Italy and Slovakia.

SAUR: * * * We must bring more order into the PW base camps [Stalags].

We have made a proposal that the PW base camps should be transferred to

the SS. The Italians and eastern peoples should be treated more roughly.

* * * * *

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PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 75

EXTRACTS FROM TRANSCRIPT OF STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF

THE JAEGERSTAB CONFERENCE ON FRIDAY, 17 MARCH 1944

* * * * *

STOBBE-DETHLEFFSEN: * * * We already count on 100,000 men for the tasks

of the Jaegerstab. To transfer them would mean breaking into the rest of

the armament economy to an unheard-of degree.

(SAUR: 100,000 without Kammler!)

Including the labor we give Kammler but not including the concentration

camp people.

SAUR: Right from the beginning we realized that 200,000 men would be

transferred.

STOBBE-DETHLEFFSEN: I have just spoken to Prinzel about it. It is

absolutely necessary that the few German key personnel at our disposal

should be taken with the concentration camp inmates or with the other

subjugated people in such a proportion as will guarantee the best use of

this valuable German strength * * *.

* * * * *

STOBBE-DETHLEFFSEN: I am always getting demands for German labor. For

example: Here are 5,000 concentration camp inmates, give me 1,000 German

workers. I do not fulfill these requests in this proportion; otherwise

my German labor would soon come to an end. We have filled only a

fraction of the positions. I distribute German workers only in the ratio

of 1:10.

* * * * *

MILCH: The air force stresses the importance of getting the whole cave

for the purposes of manufacture. * * *

PORSCHE: * * * I shall talk to Weiss again about our getting more

concentration camp people for finishing off the work.

(DIESING: We probably shall not get them.)

I’ll get them from the Reich Leader. I already have 3,500. Two of

Obergruppenfuehrer Pohl’s men are going to France to prepare everything

locally with regard to housing and feeding.

* * * * *

NOBEL: Can one be responsible for foreigners working as airfield control

personnel? The repair works say: yes!

(MILCH: Not as pilots!)

I do not think that is intended. The repair works said yesterday that it

would be a help to them if foreigners could be used as airfield control

personnel. * * *

* * * * *

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PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 75

EXTRACTS FROM TRANSCRIPT OF STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF

THE JAEGERSTAB CONFERENCE UNDER CHAIRMANSHIP OF

FIELD MARSHAL MILCH ON MONDAY, 20 MARCH 1944

* * * * *

SAUR: * * * As far as Hungary is concerned, I should be grateful if the

Field Marshal would call up Mr. Sauckel and tell him that the whole

group mobilized in Hungary should be primarily at the disposal of the

Jaegerstab. Large construction [of entrenchments] columns [Schanz

Kolonnen] must be formed. The people have to be treated like prisoners.

Otherwise it won’t work.

* * * * *

SAUR: Where are the 54,000 Czechs?

MAHNKE: Of the 58,000 Czechs, 17,000 have been earmarked for

Czechoslovakia. 31,000 are intended for the Reich, and after that 26,000

have been divided among the special commissions [Sonderausschusse].

31,000 were for power units.

* * * * *

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PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 75

EXTRACTS FROM TRANSCRIPT OF STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF

THE JAEGERSTAB CONFERENCE OF 28 MARCH 1944

* * * * *

NOBEL: The labor situation in the repair sector is very unsatisfactory.

Of the 2,000 people promised me before from the Action Sauckel, not one

has yet arrived. There is no point in saying that people should apply to

the armament department [Ruestungskommando]. The armament departments

and inspectorates [Ruestungskommandos and Inspektionen] have not got

anybody. If these men are not roped in by higher authority, the repair

workshops cannot get any labor. My people are not in a position to stop

production because we have not received any men since 11 March.

MEMBER OF THE JAEGERSTAB: I brought this matter up yesterday with

Ministerialdirigent Dr. Timm of the office of the Plenipotentiary

General for Labor Allocation, and told him that we handed in our request

on 17 March, but had not yet received any laborers. He could not tell me

anything but will let us know today. I will ask Schmelter, who is coming

to this meeting later, to follow up the matter.

MILCH: Tell Schmelter, that if I can help in any way by calling Sauckel,

etc., he should let me know.

* * * * *

SCHMELTER: I have received such high demands, for instance today over

3,000, tomorrow over 5,000, and the day after, again over 4,000, that it

cannot possibly be that the labor is really needed, or else the firms do

not understand the program. What has been received from you, Mr. Lange,

has been passed on. It is also to be expected that these laborers will

come within the next 10-14 days. I have arranged with Sauckel that I

shall give out red tickets for the most urgent demands, first of all a

consignment of 10,000. That will do to begin with. These red tickets

will have priority, even over other red tickets. Of course, that will

cause difficulties over skilled workers. When we have a picture of the

number of skilled workers we need, we must decide from which branch of

manufacture we can remove them, for Sauckel does not have so many

skilled workers. Those who have already arrived are, for the most part,

from the East. That is still the most prolific source. Very few come

from the West and they are slowly starting to come from Italy. There are

comparatively few skilled workers among them. So we must decide what

factories are to be closed or restricted and where we shall take away

the skilled workers. I can only let you have details in a few days when

I have a complete picture of requirements.

NOBEL: If I must speed up repair work in a limited time, I need the

labor at once. Since 16 March not one of the 2,000 people that Sauckel

was going to send has arrived. That is already two weeks ago. They tell

me that if they have to deliver 50 machines they must have 60 people

today or tomorrow. But that won’t work because I have not got the

people. I have always said—you will not get skilled workers. They

answer—then give us others. If we do not fulfill these demands, their

confidence in the Jaegerstab will be undermined. This morning I shall

get material from Hansen & Company in Muenster. The labor office there

is not yet clear about the set-up of the Jaegerstab and the priority of

the fighter program. It is the result of the bureaucracy of the

authorities. My men have to argue with the authorities and thereby lose

valuable time.

SCHMELTER: It is now customary, if one fails to produce something to put

the blame on the labor office. I remind you of the Messerschmitt affair.

(MILCH: That is not so in all cases.)

Assuredly! The gentlemen were with me on Saturday. They had got back 50

tool makers from the army into the bargain, which they had had in the

meantime, and said nothing about. First, they could not employ them,

secondly, they did not need them, and thirdly, they got them elsewhere.

Furthermore Sauckel puts the people at the disposal of the repair

department. It was immediately reported that the labor offices worked

too slowly.

MILCH: You will make things easier for yourselves if you build up

gradually a small reserve of a few hundred people, at first 500 which

you can later raise to 2,000 so that you can cover immediately any need

that arises. Then our work will gain the respect of others. At the

moment it is like this—either we must transfer people and leave a gap

where it is less vital, or wait until the people are brought in by

Sauckel. When one sees the figures that Sauckel has produced and

ascertains what the armament industry has received, the comparison is

ridiculous.

SCHMELTER: A letter is on the way from the minister to Mr. Sauckel.

During the first three months Sauckel has brought in between 300,000 and

400,000 people, but not even a miserable 66,000 red tickets could be

honored.

MILCH: I personally cannot get over it! Take the help away from the

housewives! In the past year 800,000 domestic servants have been

negotiated and we are fighting for 2,000 men!

SCHMELTER: In one year the demand for female domestic servants in

Germany has risen by 200,000, the demands of the armament industry

during the same period by 600. I have arranged that transports that come

from abroad are directed straight to the points of greatest need.

MILCH: Every week 2,000 people come from the East.

(SCHMELTER: Most of them go into agriculture.)

The Jaegerstab has priority over agriculture. Can you not intercept

them?

SCHMELTER: I have arranged that. The 2,000 are disposed of; some of them

are already at work. But it does not always happen that the reports of

the firms are 100 percent correct. We have often checked that up. It

often happens that firms take the people and put them into another

branch of production but still shout for people for the high priority

processes.

(NOBEL: That is not the case in my repair industry!)

FRYDAG: Yesterday, I was in Wiener-Neustadt. The works have a

considerable assignment and a hefty increase. Merely in order to get out

of the room unscathed I gave them 200 men from the airframes industry.

SCHMELTER: In Wiener Neustadt there was a demand for 1,000 or 1,500. A

thousand were supposed to come from Air Fleet 2 in Italy. An engineer

official, Weidinger, was going to produce them. On Sunday I received a

phone call to the effect that the engineer official could not produce

them.

FRYDAG: That is quite right. But you must put yourself in the firm’s

place. The firm must have these people.

SCHMELTER: Then I must see to it that I take them from somewhere else.

MILCH: You know our position. We are convinced that you do everything

you can. But we must now commit a robbery. We can no longer operate

along legal lines.

(SCHMELTER: That is the only possibility.)

There will be abuse but we must accept that.

SCHMELTER: I shall go tomorrow to Mr. Sauckel and tell him that he must

give the fighter industry the next transport of workers from the East.

The proposal that the fighter industry should not give back the laborers

it received who originally worked in agriculture has been turned down by

Sauckel. I am commissioned to inform you of this.

MILCH: That is out of the question. Nothing shall go out of the fighter

industry!

SCHMELTER: I am commissioned to say that he must have this labor back

again.

MILCH: Later, not now! One more thing. We must protect all the factories

working for the fighter program. We must say to them: You must not give

up people for anything whatsoever except on command of the Jaegerstab.

None can touch you, not even the local labor offices and the ministerial

authorities; requests for personnel must all be directed to the

Jaegerstab. We must put that out clearly as an order.

(PETRI: That is already in previous minutes.)

SCHMELTER: May I request that this order should be extended to the

management and repair personnel of the electricity and gas works.

MILCH: I can only do it for the Jaegerstab. I am not doing it for the

bomber and other branches either as we have only that special authority.

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