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PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 48-B

STENOGRAPHIC RECORD OF THE FIRST CONFERENCE OF THE

CENTRAL PLANNING BOARD ON 27 APRIL 1942

Berlin, 27 April 1942

Secret

_“THE CENTRAL PLANNING BOARD” IN THE FOUR YEAR PLAN_

_1ST CONFERENCE_

Present:

The three members:

Reich Minister Speer,

Field Marshal Milch,

State Secretary Koerner.

Furthermore:

State Secretary Dr. Schulze-Fielitz, Ministry of Munitions,

Ministerialrat von Normann, Four Year Plan.

Result:

I. The _Central Planning_ in the Four Year Plan (Decree of the Reich

Marshal of Greater Germany of 22 April 1942—VP 6707 g) is a task for

leaders. It encompasses only principles and executive matters. It makes

unequivocal decisions and supervises the execution of its directives.

The Central Planning does not rely on anonymous institutions difficult

to control, but always on individuals and fully responsible persons who

are free in the selection of their work methods and their collaboration

as far as there are no directives issued by the Central Planning.

II. _Discussion of the situation in iron._

A. The objective is to reach a production of 2,2 million tons per month.

In the first place it has to be established whether, after taking into

account the excessive requests which were certainly made and of the

difficulties confronting an increase of production (coal, transport) the

present figures are sufficient (2 million tons). For the distribution in

the third quarter these 2 million tons have to serve in any case as a

basis.

B. The principles of distribution and the new quotas will be discussed

in a subsequent conference with a wider circle of participants (see

special protocol).

C. The _iron-producing industry_ will be organized into a Reich

association. It is to be established and made to operate as soon as

possible. The creation of an interimistic liaison organization (Planning

Group Iron) has, therefore, been abandoned. The task of the Reich

Association ends with the production of iron and before the distribution

of the iron.

D. For the position of president of the Reich Association Iron,

Generaldirektor Voegler and Geheimrat Roechling[91] are suggested.

Roechling was chosen, the appointment of whom would be approved by the

Fuehrer, according to Reich Minister Speer. State Secretary Koerner will

submit the proposal to the Reich Marshal [Goering].

III. The reorganization of the Upper Silesian Territory with the object

of the highest and best utilization for war economy in mind is urgent.

The selection of locations and the determining of capacities in this

territory has to be expedited with regard to raw material, transport,

and labor.

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PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 48-B

LETTER OF 20 OCTOBER 1942 TRANSMITTING THE STATUTES

OF THE CENTRAL PLANNING BOARD

The Plenipotentiary for the Four Year Plan.

Central Planning Board.

_Z. P. 1_

Berlin, October 20, 1942

Enclosed I send you, for your information, the statutes of the Central

Planning Board with the request to support the office of the “Central

Planning Board” in every possible way in its work, and to direct, more

particularly, your section chiefs and reporters to forward all

information requested orally or by writing, in the shortest possible

time. By this collaboration of your section chiefs and reporters, the

building up of a larger apparatus in the framework of the “Central

Planning Board” is to be avoided.

BY ORDER:

[Typewritten] WALTHER SCHIEBER

Certified: SCHWINGE

Ministerialregistrator

[Stamp of the Plenipotentiary for the Four Year Plan.]

Distribution to—

_a._ The highest Reich authorities.

_b._ The Reich Protector.

_c._ The Governor General.

_d._ The executive authorities in the occupied territories.

_STATUTES OF THE CENTRAL PLANNING BOARD_

1. The Central Planning Board, created by the Fuehrer and the Reich

Marshal in order to unify armament and war economy, deals only with the

decision of basic questions. Professional questions remain the task of

the competent departments, which in their fields remain responsible

within the framework of the decisions made by the Central Planning

Board.

2. In order to have the conferences properly prepared and to have the

execution of the decisions supervised, the Central Planning Board

appoints an office. This office consists of the deputies appointed by

each of three members of the Central Planning Board; one of these three

deputies shall be appointed chief of the office.

[Handwritten marginal note on left side of the document: “To be

forwarded”.]

3. In accordance with the attached Table of Organization [not

reproduced], the office appoints reporters. These reporters are at the

disposal of all members of the Central Planning Board. The office

appoints one reporter to keep the record.

4. Office and reporters have to see to it, above all, and to draw the

attention of the Central Planning Board, if necessary, to the required

measures, that—

_a._ All decisive tasks of war economy are achieved quickly,

without red tape, and ruthlessly, by mutual adapting of all

composing branches.

_b._ All such work as is obviously without importance for

winning the war, be discontinued.

5. _Tasks of the office_

_a._ The office prepares the meetings of the Central Planning

Board in such a manner that the members of the Central Planning

Board have the agenda and the material of discussion 24 hours in

advance. For this purpose the office conducts preliminary talks

with the competent departments, etc.

_b._ On the strength of the record made by the reporter, the

office sees to the execution of the decisions of the Central

Planning Board by the competent agencies, and sees to it that

the deadlines fixed are complied with.

_c._ The members of the office keep the members of the Central

Planning Board informed between the sessions.

6. The distribution of work, dealing with incoming mail, etc., is

arranged by the office itself. The members of the office sign: “By

order” of the Central Planning Board.

7. _Tasks of the reporters_

Reporters have to keep in constant touch with the departments, with

regard to the sectors of work they are in charge of. In the regular

sittings of the office they report on the progress made and on the

measures which are required for the carrying on of the war economy,

especially for the increase in production, for other improvements in the

supply with raw materials, and for necessary changes in distribution.

They do the preliminary work for the meetings of the board (see also 5

_a_) and in their working sector they are primarily responsible for the

execution, within the established time limits, of the decisions of the

Central Planning Board.

Berlin, 20 October 1942.

[Typewritten] MILCH

[Typewritten] SPEER

[Typewritten] KOERNER

[Stamp]

Berlin 6-11-1942

No. L 16-501

Copy to the State Secretary for his information.

[Typewritten] DR. SCHATTENMANN

Certified: Schulz, Reg. Sekr.

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PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 58

EXTRACTS FROM DECREE OF 16 SEPTEMBER 1943, DEFINING THE

DUTIES OF THE PLANNING OFFICE OF THE

CENTRAL PLANNING BOARD

Berlin, 16 September 1943

_DECREE OF 16 SEPTEMBER 1948 OF THE PLENIPOTENTIARY GENERAL FOR ARMAMENT

TASKS WITHIN THE FOUR YEAR PLAN AND OF THE REICH MINISTER FOR ARMAMENT

AND WAR PRODUCTION CONCERNING THE TASK OF THE PLANNING OFFICE_

The Reich Marshal of the Greater German Reich has established a Planning

Office in my department by decree of 4 September 1943 for the purpose of

concentrated handling of all fundamental questions of war economical

planning.

In this connection I order:

I

1. The Planning Office prepares the decisions of the Central Planning

Board and supervises their execution.

2. In this connection it will especially prepare the distribution to

consumers of basic materials (for instance, iron, metals, coal, mineral

oil, nitrogen, and other important raw materials).

3. As a working basis for Central Planning Board, the Planning Office

has to draw up plans for production and distribution for the entire war

economy, the demand schedules being based on the demands of the entire

German sphere of power. In this connection imports and exports are to be

considered. The entire planning is to be synchronized in advance with

the participating departments and specialist offices, taking into

account production requisites. The Planning Office will constantly have

to summarize and to evaluate the necessary statistical material.

4. The Planning Office will have to submit to the Central Planning Board

for decision the proposed assignment of manpower to the individual big

sectors of employment (trade industry for war effort [gewerbliche

Kriegswirtschaft], traffic, foodstuffs, etc.). It also has to evaluate

statistically the carrying through of the assignments.

* * * * *

6. The Planning Office will have to advocate towards the Reich Ministry

of Economics the requirements of war industry in connection with the

establishment of import and export quotas.

It has to report constantly to the Central Planning Board about the

state of imports essential for war economy.

* * * * *

II

* * * * *

4. The Planning Office has to evaluate statistically the industrial and

war production existing within the power sphere of Greater Germany or of

the states allied with the Reich; it has to develop out of that

evaluation proposals for a common exchange of production in order to

increase the initial war production.

* * * * *

[Signed] SPEER

The Reich Minister for Armament and War Production

Plenipotentiary General for

Armament Tasks within the Four Year Plan

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PROSECUTION EXHIBIT NO. 41-A[92]

TESTIMONY OF FRITZ SAUCKEL, 22 SEPTEMBER 1945, REGARDING

THE JURISDICTION OF THE CENTRAL PLANNING BOARD

TESTIMONY OF FRITZ SAUCKEL TAKEN AT NUERNBERG, GERMANY, 1030 HOURS TO

1210 HOURS ON 22 SEPTEMBER 1945, BY JOHN J. MONIGAN JR., MAJ., CAC,

OUSCC

MAJOR MONIGAN: Principally, what I am interested in are the functions

and responsibilities of the Central Planning Board in their relationship

to your office and their relationship to industry.

SAUCKEL: I believe that this Central Planning Board was founded about

three months after my taking over my office. The Board was founded in

accord with a law by the Fuehrer or just upon an agreement between the

Fuehrer and Speer and Goering, I don’t know which. The leader and

chairman of this Central Planning Board was Speer himself. It was

founded to transfer the work from the Four Year Plan to Speer, I think,

because Goering was already ill at that time, and there also were

difficulties about which I am not informed. Speer always took on the job

of making great changes in production and put it under his own

direction. Constant members of this Central Planning Board were the

State Secretary and Field Marshal Milch, and State Secretary Koerner.

These three were responsible for the decisions of the Central Planning

Board and for internal matters and they went through this office if they

were worked out by other people inside the office. I was only called to

this Central Planning Board when my task was discussed, and the demands

were put before me and my agencies by Speer, the Four Year Plan

[Office], as well as by Milch. The Fuehrer himself told me to fulfil

these demands without question. In other words, if Speer asked me for a

certain amount of workers, for instance, several thousand, I could not

refuse him. The particular minister had to give the number to the

Central Planning Board and that was the only place where the number of

workers could be discussed. In the Central Planning Board it was decided

how many workers I was able to supply to these various sections like

Milch and Speer, agriculture, and so on. If it came to an argument,

these discussions were brought before the Fuehrer and he then decided

himself.

Q. Would the Central Planning Board, in their outline of workers to be

provided for agriculture and for Speer and for Milch’s industries, etc.,

just give you the numbers of workers which they required, or would you

get the final destination of the workers too, say panzers [tanks] and

machine guns, and so on, from the Central Planning Board?

A. In general, I always got the numbers for the sections in large,

except for Speer who always demanded individual allocations of workers

to agriculture or mining; in other words, Speer always demanded a

certain number of workers for a certain kind of work.

Q. Except for Speer, they would give the requirements in general for the

broad field, but in Speer’s work you would get them allocated by

industry, and so on. Is that right?

A. The others only received whatever was left over, because Speer told

me once in the presence of the Fuehrer that I am here to work for Speer

and that I mainly am his man, he mentioned it very often, without

reference to the countries involved. It was very unnatural, that process

of doing these things. These smaller plants, instead of ordering their

workers from the next higher echelons, gave their orders to the very

highest, to Speer, who in turn handed them down to the lower ones and to

me, and this was the reason for the Rotzettel (red slip) system which

had to be fulfilled by me without question. In practice it came to this

that if a factory actually didn’t need any workers but Speer demanded

them for that factory I had to supply these workers without being able

to discuss or to tell him that it would be a waste of manpower; I just

had to do it because Speer had complete domination.

Q. When it was determined in the Central Planning Board that say a

thousand workers would be required by Speer, how did these workers find

their way from all over Germany and Europe into the Krupp factory, for

instance?

A. The orders were given from higher echelons down to lower echelons;

for instance, the transports were either turned over from one office to

another or the lower echelons in Berlin, for instance, got orders to

transfer certain men from one factory which happened to be in Berlin to

another factory which was also in Berlin. This happened also through the

cooperation among the various offices who were headed by Hildebrand. The

orders were discussed in a so-called daily schedule of trains which was

decided upon in all these meetings.

Q. Well, as I understand it, you would get a requirement for say a

thousand workers for panzers, say; now, in Germany certain factories

would be making tread, some would be making turrets, and some would be

making other things. Now, of that thousand workers needed for tank

production some would be working on treads and some would be working on

other things. How did they get into the particular factories which were

making the specific products?

A. This was accomplished by giving orders recklessly through the various

offices. A factory, for instance, got an order to send 20 or 30 men to

another place, and they were just ordered to go there. This was the

reason for the Notdienstverordnung [Emergency Service Decree] where the

workers were forced by a decree to obey any order which was given to

them.

Q. After the workers were conscripted inside the Reich and outside, they

would be worked according to certain skills and technical specialties,

would they not?

A. As far as possible, they were used according to the profession they

had been trained in.

Q. And the local Gau labor offices, etc., would have a list of all the

workers according to their skills, would they not?

A. Yes, there were detailed files about this. This was the basic

principle: There were various offices which only were concerned about a

certain kind of trade or skill.

Q. So, when you got the request from the Central Planning Board for a

hundred thousand men for tank production, would you, through your

ministry, tell the various offices that you needed so many welders and

so many machine tool people, etc., and then tell them how many of each

specialty you wanted?

A. When I got these orders my assistants were always present and they in

turn took down the individual numbers required for this kind of work. I

also received rosters which pointed out in detail how many people were

needed for certain productions and how many were needed in a certain

place. There was also, besides the red-slip system, another one, which

was a system used after the red-slip system. We called this the

Dringlichkeitsstufen—that means the priority system for workers. These

Dringlichkeitsstufen, which were divided according to place and kind of

work, were given to me in the presence of my assistants and they in turn

worked out these plans. The influence of Speer was so great that

sometimes he specifically asked for certain specialists from a certain

factory to be turned over to another place. It also happened that we

were not even told about these things. If we were not able to supply him

with workers from inside Germany, we had to take them from the other

departments or from foreign countries. There was always a reserve of

something like 500,000 people who went to schools where they were

trained for the armament production.

Q. That was 500,000 German and foreign workers?

A. Yes.

Q. When a requirement was fixed for Speer or for Milch in the Central

Planning Board and they called you in and said we need 500,000, or some

number of workers, would they give at that time the breakdown of what

kind of workers they wanted, or would they give a blanket request for

500,000 without the listing of specialties?

A. Naturally, they gave a detailed breakdown. For instance, they only

asked for miners, but they also asked for specialists in that kind of

work.

Q. The requirements would be stated in detail for the kind of work, not

only whether it should be a mine worker, but, for instance, a locomotive

engineer in a mine, or something like that, would they not?

A. Naturally, since there are many kinds of professions; I, for

instance, put in charge of the mining President Dr. Gaertner who was

always oriented about the different jobs which were required in that

field of work.

Q. Then after you got the detailed specification of the qualifications

of the workers desired, would you also get a statement as to what places

they would work in, and so on?

A. This was just the remarkable thing about it, especially from Speer;

factories were always mentioned and they were also mentioned by

priority; for instance, the ones that always were working on the

so-called Fuehrer orders had priority over the others. Speer actually

controlled the small places, not step by step, but directly from the

highest echelon.

Q. So that you would be informed at the Central Planning Board, at least

for Speer’s factories, about the specialists and the place to which they

were supposed to be sent, is that right?

A. The Central Planning Board determined only the numbers for a certain

time, three months or so. These orders were then forwarded to the

individual offices, who were working for me, from all kinds of

industries; the Central Planning Board met only every two weeks or so.

Q. The Central Planning Board would decide that Speer would get so many

hundred thousand and Milch would get so many hundred thousand, and that

the agricultural program would get so many hundred thousand. Then, that

was agreed upon, if they all agreed upon it among themselves in the

Central Planning Board, and had no disputes regarding the number. But if

there were disputes, then the Fuehrer would decide?

A. Yes.

Q. Then, after they decided a hundred thousand for Speer, then the

section chiefs (in the rings for tank treads, and machine guns, etc.)

would meet with your section later and say we need so many hundred

thousand, we need 10,000 who are welders and 10,000 who are metal

workers, etc., is that right?

A. Yes. A daily conference was held among the different offices where it

was decided how many workers were needed for the individual industries.

It did not occur that when a factory asked for a certain amount of men,

it was like that: Speer said this factory has to be supplied with so and

so many workers. In peacetime it was different.

Q. And the requirements of Speer were met as a matter of priority among

all the other industries; first Speer and then the others?

A. Yes.

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PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 63

EXTRACTS FROM AFFIDAVIT OF FRITZ SAUCKEL, 22 SEPTEMBER 1946, REGARDING

THE JURISDICTION OF THE CENTRAL PLANNING BOARD

A. 1. I, Fritz Sauckel, born in Hassfurt-Unterfranken on 27 October 1894

was honorary Obergruppenfuehrer of the SS and SA, Reich Governor

[Reichsstatthalter], Commissioner for Reich Defense and Gauleiter of

Thuringia. Since 1942 I was Plenipotentiary General for Manpower and

from 1933 on I was a member of the Reichstag. I state upon oath the

following facts which are known to me personally:

* * * * *

L. 1. The Central Planning Board intervened in the problem of foreign

workers to the extent of determining priorities and in representing and

demanding the requirements of the economics branches consolidated in the

Central Planning Board. It also transmitted these demands to the

Fuehrer. The competent gentlemen of the Central Planning Board at the

same time of course represented their ministries as heads. Thus I am not

in a position today to say whether Speer, for instance, spoke in one or

the other capacity in connection with any special matter. At any rate

the Central Planning Board determined the total labor requirements. In

practice I only obtained labor for them.

2. I attended sessions of the Central Planning Board only when questions

concerning the mobilization of labor were involved. Sometimes only my

representatives, Dr. Timm, Landrat Berk, Stothfang, or Dr. Hildebrand,

attended.

3. The competent gentlemen from Speer’s Ministry also attended. Speer

had a labor mobilization department where the requirements of industry

were collected and confirmed.

4. Milch produced the figures for aviation. The same was done by Speer

in his sphere of activity. Speer and Milch, however, also exerted

influence on the allocation of workers. How far this came within their

capacity as members of the Central Planning Board I cannot say; in any

case they did this in their ministerial capacity.

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PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 48-A

EXTRACTS FROM REPORT ON THE ELEVENTH CONFERENCE

OF THE CENTRAL PLANNING BOARD, 22 JULY 1942

Berlin 24 July 1942

Dr. Goe/W

Reich Minister Speer

Minister’s Office

Secret

_REPORT ON THE 11TH CONFERENCE OF THE “CENTRAL

PLANNING BOARD” ON 22 JULY 1942_

Present:

Reich Minister Speer

Field Marshal Milch

State Secretary Koerner

Kommerzialrat Roechling Reich Association Iron

Dr. Rohland Reich Association Iron

Von Bohlen und Halbach Reich Association Iron

Dr. Langen Reich Association Iron

Bergassessor Sohl Reich Association Iron

Gauleiter Sauckel Plenipotentiary General for Labor

Mobilization

State Secretary Backe Reich Food Ministry

General Director Pleiger Reich Association Coal

Dr. Fischer Reich Association Coal

Major General Gablenz Reich Air Ministry

Colonel Sellschopp Reich Air Ministry

Ministerial Director Gramsch 4 Year Plan

Ministerial Advisor Normann 4 Year Plan

Dr. Schieber Reich Ministry for Armament and

Munitions

Dr. Stellwaag Reich Ministry for Armament and

Munitions

Major Wagner Reich Ministry for Armament and

Munitions

Brigadier General Becht Reich Ministry for Armament and

Munitions

Lieutenant Colonel Nicolai Reich Ministry for Armament and

Munitions

Ministerial Advisor Dr. Wissmann Reich Ministry for Armament and

Munitions

Schlieker Reich Ministry for Armament and

Munitions

Dr. Goerner Reich Ministry for Armament and

Munitions

* * * * *

Securing of food. A net influx of 1 million foreign workers is counted

on. This number was not reached in the past months. Even with an influx

of more than 1 million in the coming months, the 1-million peak will

actually not be surpassed in view of current departures of workers. Food

for this 1 million is secured.[93]

To what extent an improvement of the food situation, through a sharper

hold on the production outside of Germany, could be accomplished.

* * * * *

Every day a train load of the forces recruited in the East will be

directed to the coal mines until the figure of 6,000 is achieved.

Prisoners of war are being obtained, at present, from camps in the

General Government. 51,000 prisoners of war in the Senne Camp. In the

district east of the General Government there are 74,000 prisoners of

war available. Up till now an elimination quota of 50 percent of

unemployable people has been reckoned with in the allocations to coal

mining. It is considered necessary that not too high demands should be

placed on the choice of prisoners of war. The Miner’s Union doctors

[Knappschaftsaerzte] are to be informed that a different standard is to

be established for the prisoners of war than for German miners.

For the consecutive order in which the prisoners of war are to be put to

work, it will be laid down, that before the metal workers are chosen,

the coal mining in the first place and requirements for the loading and

unloading commands in the second place are to be considered.

Field Marshal Milch undertakes to accelerate the procuring of the

Russian prisoners of war from the camps.

[Typewritten] DR. ING. GOERNER

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PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 48-A

EXTRACTS FROM REPORT ON THE SEVENTEENTH CONFERENCE

OF THE CENTRAL PLANNING BOARD, 28 OCTOBER 1942

Berlin, 30 October 1942

The Plenipotentiary General for the Four Year Plan

Central Planning Board

_REPORT ON THE 17TH CONFERENCE OF THE CENTRAL

PLANNING BOARD ON 28 OCTOBER 1942, 0930 HOURS_

Increase of Coal Production

_Allocation of Labor_

Coal production in the Ruhr district has increased to 390,000 tons per

day. Any further increase depends on whether the requirements for labor

are being met. About 104,000 men are required. Furthermore 7,800

men—originally 16-17,000 requirements having been brought down by

rationalization—are needed for the supplying industry, 6,800 of these

for the machine industry. 5,000 more unskilled workers are furthermore

required to secure the transport of mine-timber which is essential for

reason of variety [Sortimentsgruenden].

The intake capacity of the mining industry for the month of November is

44,000 prisoners of war, of whom 25,000 are for the Ruhr district, and

12,600 eastern workers, 7,500 of whom are for the Ruhr district. Total

requirements so far amount to 191,000 laborers of whom 90,700 were

wanted by the Ruhr District. Up to 24 October a total of 123,000 was

allocated. These numbers are still to be checked up by the Reich

Association Coal (RVK) and Mr. Sauckel.

According to the Plenipotentiary for Labor Allocation, the following

number of prisoners of war is at present at hand.

Within the Reich (on the way and in camp) 30,000

Remainder of prisoners of war (outstanding from a total of 60,000

150,000 and promised up to the beginning of December)

At camps in the General Government 15,000

Of these the following can be regarded as available up to 1 December:

Within the Reich 15,000

Of the remaining prisoners of war 10,000

From the General Government 7,500

———

Total about 32,000

Therefore, as compared to the required 44,000, there is a deficit of

about 12,000. Moreover, 10,000 civilian laborers from the East can be

put up by exchanges from the agricultural sector which is 2,000 less

than required so that the November deficit amounts to 14,000 and, in

comparison with the total requirements of the mining industry of

104,000, there is a deficit of 62,000. The deficit increases by the

smaller number of prisoners of war the size of which is still to be

ascertained by the Commissioner of Labor.

The mining industry is in a position to use any amount of eastern labor

instead of prisoners of war. Therefore, it is to get preference at the

combing-out of the agricultural sector. There is no objection to a

temporary accommodation of eastern labor at prisoner-of-war camps

(without barbed wire, etc.).

The requirements of the supply industry are to be met by the Red Label

method [Rotzettelverfahren]. Constructors are to be provided by

canvassing at the French prisoner-of-war camps for officers.

[Typewritten] DR. STEFFLER

* * * * *

Present:

Reich Minister Speer

Field Marshal Milch

State Secretary Koerner Reich Ministry for Armament and

Munitions

Staatsrat Schieber Reich Ministry for Armament and

Munitions

Brig. Gen. Becht Reich Ministry for Armament and

Munitions

Lt. Col. v. Nicolai Reich Ministry for Armament and

Munitions

Herr Schlieker Reich Ministry for Armament and

Munitions

Oberberghauptmann Gabel Reich Economic Ministry

Colonel Dr. Krull Reich Economic Ministry

Oberbergrat Otto Reich Economic Ministry

State Secretary Ganzenmueller Reich Traffic Ministry

Staatsrat Heinberg Reich Traffic Ministry

Min. Dir. Gramsch Four Year Plan

Min. Rat Steffler Four Year Plan

Min. Dirig. Timm Plenipotentiary for Labor Allocation

Oberreg. Rat Hildebrand Plenipotentiary for Labor Allocation

Gen. Dir. Pleiger Reich Association Coal

Dr. Sogemeier Reich Association Coal

Dr. Fischer Reich Association Coal

Dir. Winkaus Plenipotentiary for Mining Requirements

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PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 48-A

EXTRACTS FROM STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF TWENTY-FIRST

CONFERENCE OF CENTRAL PLANNING BOARD, 30 OCTOBER 1942

_EXCERPT OF STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF THE 21ST

CONFERENCE OF THE CENTRAL PLANNING BOARD_

Re: Labor supply and direction of labor held on 30 October 1942,

afternoon, at the Reich Ministry of Armament and Munitions.

Berlin, Pariser Platz 3

* * * * *

SAUCKEL: There is but one possibility, and that is, that the moment the

Wehrmacht takes prisoners in operational territory, they are to be

immediately turned over to us. We will move them away much faster than

the Wehrmacht.

MILCH: The correct thing to do would be to have all Stalags transferred

to you by order of the Fuehrer. The Wehrmacht takes prisoners and as

soon at it relinquishes them, the first delivery goes to your

organization. Then everything will be in order.

SAUCKEL: Yes, but we do not have sufficient personnel for guarding the

prisoners.

(MILCH: The Wehrmacht should have to provide you with that!)

SAUCKEL: As soon as prisoners of war are taken, they should be placed at

our disposal and we would then allocate them in a fair manner. However,

with the present method we get nothing or only a fraction of what the

Wehrmacht had promised us, although the prisoners had been taken by the

Wehrmacht.

TIMM: We can hardly hope to achieve that, since this might have

something to do with the convention concerning the treatment of

prisoners of war.

MILCH: The man who acts there for you can wear a uniform all right and

be a soldier. Only his superior will not be Herr Reinecke but Herr

Sauckel.

For psychological reasons emphasis should be placed on first of all

covering the requirements of the Wehrmacht branches, without other

considerations. The feeling, we don’t get it anyway, has gradually

permeated our whole air force industry—and I heard the same about the

army. I will admit that these gigantic allocations are completely

misjudged. For example, in the Luftwaffe where from an original

allocation of 480,000, a balance of 150,000 was left over [per Saldo

uebrig]. The plants always look only at the balance [Saldo]. However,

there are many plants also who have suffered an actual decrease in

manpower, especially in a young industry like ours, which is occupied

with the manufacture of very special products. This industry has many

young people, of whom many again have been drafted into the Wehrmacht.

This drafting is done in such an idiotic way that one actually has to

feel ashamed. All three experimenting engineers working on a development

which may have an important bearing on the outcome of the war are simply

drafted. They are not sent to the front or into training but sit around

in the back somewhere and are guarding some camp. No consideration

whatsoever is given to individual cases. Of course the plants then call

for replacements. The masses cannot fill these breaches, and qualified

replacements we cannot supply at all. Herr Dr. Werner, for example,

writes a letter to Herr Schieber of which he forwards a copy to me and

which states that production figures established in the delivery

schedules can no longer be met, owing to the fact that for weeks

partially even for months, no manpower has been allocated, and that even

current withdrawals cannot be replaced by the labor offices

[Arbeitsaemter]. The fact, that we can no longer meet the demands of the

rising production, that backlogs are increasing more and more, fills him

with rising apprehension. He then goes into details, but always reverts

to the same conclusion: everything might be accomplished, we could even

get the necessary material; in the final analysis we fail, however, in

one important aspect in connection with our whole armament program—the

allocation of manpower. If only we had, if only we had—thus it goes all

day and in every conference.

I am convinced that many people are beginning to put in fake requests

and exaggerate their requirements. There is only one way to straighten

out this affair. In my department, I do it this way: if for months a

spare part cannot be found, the entire front begins to hoard this

article; so, for instance, the tail skid of a Ju 52. Then we proceeded

to manufacture triple the amount of the expected requirements, yet no

tail skids were available. Ordnance stock piles were filled with it; but

they did not issue any. I then said: We will now manufacture nothing but

tail skids until we hear shouts not to send any more. Thus, an affair

like that gets finally straightened out. And here likewise we must say

for once: We will supply the required laborers to the industry, if

necessary by depriving other fields. Agriculture, at the moment can

spare laborers; it does not need them from 15 November to 15 March of

next year. It is just a waste to have to feed them. Only a small number

will be needed for the procurement of wood. Thus we are able to

generously help industry and later on again replenish agriculture. At

the same time we have the advantage of getting fairly well-fed people.

As Herr Timm recently explained, prisoners of war from the Ukraine would

not serve our purpose; they could not regain their physical strength on

what they get to eat in the industry. Even supplying them with better

food than we give to our own people would not be sufficient to get them

beyond a still weakened condition. In agriculture they get additional

food. Don’t muzzle the mouth of a beast when food lies all around it.

This is also of advantage to prisoners of war and workers from the East.

However, we have to finally do away with the general feeling: we have

nothing and we want yet anything; we have been forsaken by God and the

Fuehrer; constantly more and more is demanded of us; how can we still

believe in this great program? We can only carry it out if we have such

faith in it, as is spoken of in the Bible. In January we started with a

monthly production of 2,000 engines; today we have reached 4,000, and in

a year and a half I must reach 14,000. That of course is a gigantic

achievement for a month. Every engine has at least 1,200 h.p. If in

measurements of horsepower I compare the present with the former World

War, then the present achievement is 40 times as great. What an immense

amount of manpower was available at that time for an industry so totally

different from ours! Yet today we must come up to more than three times

that, which we have already done. That means, that in airplane engines

alone we have to achieve 135 to 140 times as much as we did in the World

War. Dr. Werner who is responsible for the engine industry proposed how

this can be done. He said: We must apply a mass production scale

everywhere, or else we will not accomplish it. He has very progressive

ideas in this field. With the airplane engine, it can be done for sure.

Crankshafts and connecting rods, etc., we can produce on a mass

production scale. Today we manufacture 40,000 connecting rods. However,

we still have no machines today that assemble these products

individually on the assembly line. The Americans have such machines. We

are lacking about 10 construction engineers and 5 mechanics; they just

simply cannot be procured. One must for once satisfy the needs of the

people again. I have always put them off until November and told them

that Sauckel would produce the necessary labor from agriculture.

* * * * *

SPEER: We must also discuss the slackers. Ley has ascertained that the

sick list decreased to one-fourth or one-fifth in factories where

doctors are on the staff who are examining the sick men. There is

nothing to be said against SS and police taking drastic steps and

putting those known as slackers into concentration camps. There is no

alternative. Let it happen several times and the news will soon go

around.

* * * * *

SAUCKEL: We talked of taking the waiters out of the restaurants in

Germany. But in this respect we have absolutely an abundance in France,

the General Government and the Protectorate. As long as we have not

skimmed that off, we could not take the responsibility towards the

German people for such a measure. Again a cable of the Foreign Minister

has burst into my recent negotiations in France stating that under no

circumstances should the Ministry Laval be put into peril. The Fuehrer

has said: If the French show no good will, then I shall retake the

800,000 French PW’s. If they show good will, then the French wives can

follow their husbands to Germany and work there. Of course, he said, I

have an interest that Laval remains in power. The Ministry Laval will

remain, it depends only on us. And Laval cannot go back after he has

reproduced in his speech and spoken before the French passages which he

has taken verbally out of my appeal. Only Pétain could bring him to

fall. I wish to draw your attention to the fact, however, that in France

there is a surplus of young men all of whom we could use in Germany. If

we expect our people to accept severest restrictions then we cannot

admit such luxuries in Paris as, e.g., small restaurants with bands of

25 musicians and two waiters per table. I am firmly convinced, if we are

brutal also against the others then we can extract quite a considerable

number of men out of the General Government—I sent an efficient man,

President Struwe, over there—and of the Protectorate. This need not

interfere with the armament industry over there. There is, therefore, no

fear that the demand could not be met.

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PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 48-B

EXTRACTS FROM STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF THE TWENTY-THIRD CONFERENCE OF THE

CENTRAL PLANNING BOARD, 3 NOVEMBER 1942

Secret

_STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF THE 23D CONFERENCE OF

CENTRAL PLANNING BOARD_

_Concerning the fixing of iron quotas, on 3 November 1942, 1600_

_hours in the Reich Ministry for Armament and Munitions,_

_Berlin, Pariser Platz 3_

* * * * *

PLEIGER: * * * For the physical strain on the miners, who practically

work two Sunday shifts each month, is such that they could not stand it

for another six months. In other words—this is the important point—the

quota of approximately 95,600 men is still lacking and must be assigned

to work now at last; it was promised to me at one time. The gentlemen of

the Ruhr tell me: We have our huts ready. Some of them are not

completely furnished, and I reproached the people for it. They answered,

however: But you promised us workers for about half a year. We have

always been ahead with our huts. How can you reproach us now, our huts

were not ready. The workers assigned to us will be taken care of. I

would be very thankful if Sauckel would be induced to assign to us the

quota of workers.

SPEER: He received the instruction in the last conference of the Central

Planning Board to assign workers first of all to the coal-mining

industry as well as to the iron-producing industry, for you the amount

of 44,000 plus 12,000, plus 7,500 for the feeder industry, plus 5,000

for pit props. The same holds true for Mr. Rohland.

PLEIGER: In our conferences it must always be taken as a basis that the

Reichsbahn, with regard to the allocation of cars, is at least in the

same position as they were last year.

(SPEER: That’s pretty bad.)

—No, it allocated over 80,000 cars in December.

* * * * *

SPEER: Can you give me by name any smelters or other people which could

be taken out?

(ROHLAND: Yes.)

This would still be another 50 or 100, I guess.

ROHLAND: I figure about 40 men per Martin furnace. If we take away 20 or

15—let’s say 20—as trained Martin furnace smelters, we would have 300

men. 300 smelters could help us a lot. But when will they come?

SPEER: Then we could deceive the French about the industry in such a

way, as if we would release among the prisoners of war the rollers and

smelters—they have—if they give us their names.

ROHLAND: We opened our own office in Paris. In other words, you mean the

French should report the smelters who are prisoners of war in Germany?

MILCH: I would simply say: You will get two people for one of this kind.

SPEER: The French firms know exactly who is a smelter among the

prisoners of war. There you should make it appear, as if they would be

released. They give us the names and then we take them out. Try it.

ROHLAND: That’s an idea.

MILCH: We in the Luftwaffe and airplane industry will also try to find

out: Who is a roller, smelter, or furnace mason.

ROHLAND: But by the time the people arrive, the quarter of the year will

be over.

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PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 48-A

EXTRACTS FROM STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF THE THIRTY-THIRD

CONFERENCE OF THE CENTRAL PLANNING BOARD,

16 FEBRUARY 1943

Secret!

Top Secret State Matter

_STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF THE 33D CONFERENCE[94]

OF THE CENTRAL PLANNING BOARD_

_Concerning Labor Supply on 16 February 1943 at 1600 hrs. at the_

_Reich Ministry for Armament and Munitions 3,_

_Pariser Platz, Berlin_

* * * * *

TIMM: I should like to say something about the labor supply

possibilities. Perhaps you will permit me to emphasize the negative side

a little. The greatest difficulties result from the fact that the supply

of labor outstanding could not be fully dispatched from the East, but

came in in ever diminishing numbers. One may say that they have almost

become completely exhausted. Eastern laborers during the last six weeks

arrived only in smaller numbers than in former times, so that they can

hardly be included to an appreciable amount on the credit side of the

supply account. In any case their numbers are small. The foremost reason

is that in former months most transports were dispatched from the

Ukraine while the main recruitment areas were those which in the

meantime have become operational areas, or even are no longer in our

hands. The forecasts we made applied to a large extent to the transport

of people from the Caucasus district, the Kuban, from areas like

Stalingrad. We prepared measures which should enable us to draw more

eastern workers again during the following months. I venture to think

that we should be able, on a conservative calculation, to transfer

during the month of March between 150,000 and 200,000 laborers from the

East to the West.

(SPEER: Including or excluding those needed for agriculture?)

Including those needed for agriculture. But in my opinion it will be

necessary to apply much pressure, since just those districts are

concerned which have been pacified to a certain extent, and for the same

reason will not be very much inclined to release labor. This is

calculated on the assumption that some labor has to be released also

from the eastern and northern parts of the East.

The second area, capable of releasing a considerable amount of labor is

the General Government and that for the January estimate which has been

drawn up with particular caution as I again wish to emphasize. We expect

that the figures will be surpassed rather than not reached. I think we

can expect a number of 40,000, of which, it is true, a part will have to

be given to agriculture, if we intend no more than to cover the losses

which we had to inflict last autumn.

Beyond this it ought to be possible in my opinion to employ within the

Reich, and especially for the mining industry, part of the Polish

Building Service. I venture to think one ought to enlarge this

organization in such a way that more age groups than so far are called

up for it, since this procedure is functioning. The younger age groups

which in fact are especially suited for mining could be dispatched to

the Reich. In this case the supervisors who are provided for the

greatest part by the Building Service, will be needed only in very small

numbers in the Reich.

The next area would be the Protectorate on which I cannot make a final

statement today. We have been promised for the month of March about

10,000 laborers. But I am of the opinion that some loosening-up is

possible. The Plenipotentiary will soon in a personal visit take in hand

the possibility of this loosening-up.

France is included in the account with 100,000 laborers for March.

Messages which I received permit us to hope that this number will be

increased in the middle of March. Belgium is included with 40,000,

Holland with 30,000, Slovakia with 20,000, who, it is true, are

exclusively suited for agriculture, since their share of individual

workers has been completely delivered. This item consists exclusively of

agricultural laborers, owing to a state treaty. For the remaining part

of the foreign areas I included another 10,000. This amounts altogether

to 400,000 laborers who should arrive in March. One might be entitled to

add for the last month altogether 10,000 prisoners of war. These are men

to be drawn from the East. It can be expected that this number might

under certain conditions be surpassed, since the High Command intends

especially for operational reasons, to take the prisoners of war back to

the Reich, particularly from the areas threatened by the enemy.

A former item concerns the fluctuation of labor which certainly amounts

to about 100,000 laborers. Then there are items which at the moment

cannot be estimated—the yield from the threatened areas and from the

“Stoppage-action”. Here I cannot venture to name final figures, but I

hope to be able to do so next month.

SAUCKEL: Of course, we regret very much that last autumn we were unable

to recruit as much as we would have liked in the areas which now are

again in enemy hands. This is partly due to the fact that we were not

assisted in the degree we had expected. Moreover we were not able to

effect the removal of the civil population which had been planned. These

events are an urgent reminder of the fact that it is necessary to employ

foreign laborers at once and in great numbers in Germany proper and in

the actual armaments industry. You may be certain that we wish to

achieve this. We have not the slightest interest in creating

difficulties for an armaments office, even for those working for German

interest abroad, by taking labor away from them to an unreasonable

extent. But on this occasion I should like to ask you to try and

understand our procedure. We Germans surely have sent to the front

between 50 and 75 percent of our skilled workers. A part of them has

been killed while the nations subjugated by us need no longer shed their

blood. Thus they can preserve their entire capacity with regard to

skilled workers, inasmuch as they have not been transferred to Germany

which is the case only for a much smaller percentage than all of us

supposed, and in fact they do use them partly for manufacturing things

which are not in the least important for the German war economy. If we

proceed energetically against this abuse, I ask you to give me credit

for so much reason that I do not intend to damage the foreign interests

of the German armaments industry. The quality of the foreign worker is

such that it cannot be compared with that of the German worker. But even

then I intend to create a similar proportion between skilled and workers

trained for their job, as it exists in Germany by force of tradition,

since it has come about that we had to send men to the front in much

larger numbers than we requested France or any other country to do.

Moreover we shall endeavor increasingly to bring about on a generous

scale the adaptation of the French, Polish, and Czech workers. I do not

see for the moment any necessity for limiting the use of foreign labor.

The only thing I ask for is that we understand each other, so that the

immense difficulties and friction between the respective authorities

disappear and the program drawn up by us will by no means be frustrated

by such things.

There are without a doubt still enough men in France, Holland, Belgium,

the Protectorate, and the General Government to meet our labor demands

for the next months. I confess that I expect more success from such a

procedure with respect to heavier work or for work where shifts of 10 or

more hours are customary, than from relying on the use of German women

and men exclusively. We shall have better success by proceeding this way

provided the foreign workers still obey, which remains a risk we always

run, than by using weaker German women and girls as labor in places of

very important armament work, where foreigners may be used for security

reasons. * * *

* * * The situation in France is this; after I and my assistants had

succeeded after difficult discussions in inducing Laval to introduce the

Service Act this act has now been enlarged, owing to our pressure so

that already yesterday three French age groups have been called up. We

are now, therefore, legally and with the assistance of the French

Government entitled to recruit laborers in France from three age groups,

whom we can use in French factories in the future, but of whom we may

choose some for our use in Germany and send them to Germany. I think in

France the ice is now broken. According to reports received they now

have begun to think about a possible break-through by the Bolshevists

and the dangers which thereby threaten Europe. The resistance which the

French Government has hitherto shown is diminishing. Within the next

days I shall go to France in order to set the whole thing into motion,

so that the losses in the East may be somewhat balanced by increasing

recruitment and calling-up in France.

If we receive comprehensive lists in time, we shall, I think, be able to

cover all demands by dispatching in March 800,000 laborers.

SPEER: Recruitment abroad as such is supported by us. We only fear very

much that the skilled workers extracted from the occupied countries do

not always reach the appropriate factories in Germany. It might

certainly be better if we acted in such a way that the parent firms of

Germany which work with the French and Czech factories would comb out

the foreign workers more than before for their own use.

SAUCKEL: We made an agreement with Field Marshal Milch. You will get the

factories which are urgently needed for your airplane motors, etc.;

these will be completely safeguarded. In the same way I promised Admiral

of the Fleet Doenitz[95] today that the U-boat repair firms proper are

absolutely safeguarded. We shall even be able to provide our own

armament factories on French soil with labor extracted from French

factories, in the main from the unoccupied territory where there still

are metal works which have their full complement of skilled workers

without even having been touched so far.

HILDEBRAND: May I point out at this point that we have to figure that we

shall be deprived of the Italian workers this year. This according to

present discussions, concerns 300,000 men altogether, or 15 to 20,000 a

month. If we deduct the first installment, the remaining ones to a great

part are just highly skilled metal workers.

SAUCKEL: This is a request of the Fuehrer, but he has not yet finally

decided.

HILDEBRAND: But we have been told to be prepared to lose these men.

SPEER: We ourselves quite support the combing-out abroad. On the other

hand we must be entitled—and this was agreed—to exclude or prefer

particular kinds of work, e.g., the armor factories. In France we are

more and more turning towards giving up finishing processes and

stressing the subcontracting. It is the foundries and similar works,

e.g., for the use of the aluminum industry, which we wish to use to

capacity. We could force the production of Opel, so that in this case

Peugeot who manufacture the forged parts for Opel, the parent firm,

might demand more labor for this while the rest of their workers would

be taken over by Opel.

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PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 48-A

EXTRACTS FROM STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF THE THIRTY-SIXTH

CONFERENCE OF THE CENTRAL PLANNING BOARD,

22 APRIL 1943

Dr. Jaenicke

Secret

Top Secret State Matter

_STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF THE 36TH CONFERENCE

OF THE CENTRAL PLANNING BOARD_

_Concerning 1943-44 coal economy plan. Held on Thursday, 22 April 1943,

1550 hours at the Festival Hall at the Zoo, Jebenstr._

* * * * *

SPEER: Throughout the winter we have seen that in the last instance it

is coal which provides the basis for all plans we wish to execute in

other respects, and most of you are also aware of our intention to

increase the manufacture of iron. Here also it will again be coal which

in the last instance will tip the scales, whether or not we shall be

able to accomplish this increase of iron production. Seen from the

Central Planning Board, we are of the opinion that the demand for coal

as well as the demand for iron ought to be coordinated in a separate

plan, and that this plan ought to receive about the same degree of

urgency as the Krauch plan, and that with regard to labor, the

conditions required for the execution of that plan must be established.

Perhaps Mr. Timm will be able to state how he expects the question of

the miners to be developed; unfortunately the miners cannot be taken

from the German reservoir, in their place we shall have to use very

strong foreigners.

TIMM: At the moment, 69,000 men are needed for hauling that coal. We

want to cover this by finding within the Reich 23,000 men, viz., healthy

prisoners of war, etc., who are especially suitable for mining—and by

dispatching 50,000 Poles from the General Government. Out of these about

30,000 men have been supplied up to 24 April, so that about 39,000 men

are still outstanding for January to April. The demand for May has been

reported to us at 35,700. The difficulties existed especially with

regard to recruitment in the General Government, since in every district

surrounding Germany there is an extraordinary resistance to recruitment.

In all countries we have to change over more or less to registering the

men by age groups and to conscripting them in age groups. They do appear

for registration as such, but as soon as transport is available, they do

not come back so that the dispatch of the men has become more or less a

question for the police.

Especially in Poland the situation at the moment is extraordinarily

serious. It is well known that vehement battles occurred just because of

these actions. The resistance against the administration established by

us is very strong. Quite a number of our men have been exposed to

increased dangers, and it was just in the last two or three weeks that

some of them were shot dead, e.g., the head of the labor office in

Warsaw who was shot in his office, and yesterday another man again. This

is how matters stand presently, and the recruiting itself even if done

with the best will remain extremely difficult unless police

reinforcements are at hand.

* * * * *

SPEER: These [women] we can use in the Reich. There are a great number

of Russian PW’s and laborers who are employed at places where they need

not be employed. There can be an exchange. The only thing is to do this

with unskilled workers, and not to take the workers from the industry

where they were trained with difficulty.

KEHRL: Where we are late in completion of a task, or where we lose an

opportunity, we can make up for it. But any coal which we cannot haul at

once is definitely lost for use in this war. This is why we cannot do

enough to force the allotment to the pits.

SPEER: But not by forcible actions in smashing what we toilsomely built.

(KEHRL: We need not do that!)

You ought to add the conscripted labor.

TIMM: We must endeavor to get German men for working at the coal-face.

KEHRL: We subsist on foreigners who live in Germany.

TIMM: These men are concentrated within a very small area. Otherwise

there might be trouble in this sector.

SPEER: There is a specified statement showing in what sectors the

Russian PW’s have been distributed, and this statement is quite

interesting. It shows that the armaments industry only received 30

percent. I always complained about this.

TIMM: The highest percentage of PW’s are Frenchmen, and one ought not to

forget that it is difficult to employ them at the coal-face. The number

of Russians living within the Reich is small.

ROHLAND: In the mines one should exclusively use eastern people, not

western ones.

SPEER: The western men collapse!

* * * * *

SPEER: In any case we ought to force the coal production with all our

power. I now have here a statement on the distribution of the Soviet

prisoners. There are 368,000 altogether. Of these are: 101,000 in

agriculture; 94,000 in the mining industry—who are not available in any

case; 15,000 in the building materials industry; 26,000 in iron and

metal production where they cannot be extracted either; 29,000 in the

manufacture of iron, steel, and metal goods; 63,000 in the manufacture

of machines, boilers, and cars, and similar appliances, which means in

armaments industry; and 10,000 in the chemical industry. Agriculture has

received by far the most of them, and the men employed there could in

the course of time be exchanged for women. The 90,000 Russian PW’s

employed in the whole of the armaments industry are for the greatest

part skilled men. If you can extract 8-10,000 men from there, it would

already be the limit.

KEHRL: Would it not be possible to add Serbians, etc.?

SOGEMEIER: We ought not to mix too much.

ROHLAND: For God’s sake, no Serbians! We had very bad experiences with

mixing.

* * * * *

SPEER: Everything depends on the amount of the influx from abroad.

SCHIEBER: If anyway nothing arrives, the mines certainly will get

nothing.

TIMM: Gauleiter Sauckel is perfectly convinced that the transports will

be on their way within a short time. Now the front has been consolidated

at last.

SCHIEBER: We ought to be grateful that the weather has allowed the

farmer to keep things going in some way despite the little labor being

available to him. For the farmer, the coal supply is just as important

as for the whole of the armaments industry. When we discuss tomorrow the

nitrogen problem we shall see the same; our first need is coal.

KOERNER: On 1 April we had in agriculture a deficit of about 600,000

laborers. It had been planned to cover it by supplying labor from the

East, mainly women. These laborers will first have to be supplied until

other laborers are released from agriculture. We are just entering the

season where the heaviest work in the fields has to be done, for which

many laborers are necessary. Much labor is needed for the hoeing of the

fruits, and it is to be hoped that this year the harvest can be started

early which would be rendered much more difficult if an exchange of

labor would have to take place.

* * * * *

MILCH: We ought to except certain areas of the Protectorate to which the

orders are being directed, and extract nothing there until a surplus is

found out subsequently. For the time being it cannot be ascertained.

There are enough other areas of the Protectorate which are not affected

by the industry plan and some labor could be extracted from them at

once. We ought to name the places which are excepted from our action.

TIMM: In this the authorities on the other side ought to participate;

they are in the best position to tell the places from where nothing must

be extracted.

MILCH: If one proceeds as I proposed, and Timm agreed to it, no damage

can be done. This ought to be done in any case. For the rest I

completely agree; we must now supply the mines with labor. The greatest

part of labor which we can supply from the East will indeed be women.

But the eastern women are quite accustomed to agricultural work, and

especially to the type of work which has to be done these coming weeks,

the hoeing and transplanting of turnips, etc. The women are quite

suitable for this. One thing has to be considered: first you must supply

agriculture with the women, then you can extract the men, laborer for

laborer. It is not the right thing if first the men are taken away and

the farmers are left without labor for 4 to 6 weeks. If the women arrive

after such time they arrive too late.

SPEER: Beyond this we are prepared to release from all parts of the war

economy, in exchange for women, any Russian PW’s or other Russian who is

employed as auxiliary laborer.

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PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 48-A

REPORT OF THE FORTY-SECOND CONFERENCE OF THE CENTRAL

PLANNING BOARD, 23 JUNE 1943

The Plenipotentiary for the Four Year Plan

Central Planning Board

Z.P. 148

Berlin W 8, 24 June 1943

Leipziger Strasse 3

24 copies, 17th copy

Top Secret State Matter

_REPORT ON THE 42D CONFERENCE OF THE CENTRAL

PLANNING BOARD ON 23 JUNE 1943, 1600 HOURS_

_Coal situation_

The manpower situation in the coal mining industry, particularly in the

hard coal mining industry, is still unsatisfactory, and necessitates an

extension of the measures decided upon at the 36th Conference of the

Central Planning Board, held on 22 April 1943.

The intensive discussion yielded as the most expedient solution the use

of Russian prisoners of war to fill the existing vacancies. The more

homogeneous character of the shifts will bring about the necessary

higher output resulting both from an increased capacity of such shifts

and particularly from a restriction of fluctuations.

1. The present drive, which is to be carried out throughout the German

economy proper, aims both at freeing Russian labor, fit for work in the

mining industry and actually not employed as semi-skilled workmen, and

at replacing it by additionally imported labor consisting of eastern

workers, Poles, etc. Thus, about 50,000 workmen are expected to be made

available up to the end of July 1943. This drive is to be accelerated.

Furthermore as an immediate measure it should be suggested to the

Fuehrer—RVK [Reich Association Coal] and GBA [Plenipotentiary General

for Labor Allocation] submitting the necessary figures for the statement

to the Fuehrer—that 200,000 Russian prisoners fit for the heaviest work

be made available from the Wehrmacht and Waffen SS through the chiefs of

the army groups [Heeresgruppenchefs]. The prisoners will be selected on

the spot by medical officers of the mining industry and officials of the

office of the Plenipotentiary General for Labor Allocation will take

charge of them there and then. Provisions are to be made for an

extension of this program in order to satisfy any demand for manpower,

which will have accumulated up to the end of the year 1943.

The manpower needed by the mining transport industry

[Bergbau-Zubringer-Industrie] and by the iron-producing industry may be

supplied from that same source provided that the necessities of the coal

mining industry have previously been adjusted.

The performance of the Soviet Russians so employed is to be raised by a

premium system. For this purpose, the present pay restrictions are to be

lifted and the manager [Betriebsfuehrer] be allowed to distribute

amongst the workers, according to his discretion, one Reichmark per head

per day as premium for particular services rendered.

Furthermore, care will be taken that workmen can exchange these

premiums, which will be paid out in camp money [Lagergeld] for goods. It

is intended to put at their disposal various provisions (e.g., sunflower

seeds, etc.) beer, tobacco, cigarettes and cigars, small items for daily

use, etc.

The Reich Food Ministry in conjunction with the Reich Association Coal

and the Reich Ministry of Economic Affairs will clarify the question

whether, beyond that, something else can be changed as far as rations

are concerned.

2. Equally, in occupied countries, labor is to be tied more securely to

the various factories by means of the distribution of additional ration

cards as premium for good services. This refers in particular to the

General Government and the occupied territories in the East. The output

demanded of the General Government is to be fixed at the proposed

amount, and the additional rations for armament workers may then be

rated accordingly.

[Typewritten signature] DR. GRAMSCH

Present:

Reich Minister Speer

Field Marshal Milch

Staatstrat Schieber Reich Ministry for Armament and

Munitions

Oberbuergermeister Liebel Reich Ministry for Armament and

Munitions

Major General Waeger Reich Ministry for Armament and

Munitions

Dr. Ing. Groener Reich Ministry for Armament and

Munitions

President Kehrl Reich Economic Ministry

Min. Dir. Gramsch Four Year Plan

Min. Dirig. Timm Plenipotentiary General for Labor

Allocation (GBA)

Staatsrat Pleiger Reich Association Coal (RVK)

Dr. Sogemeier Reich Association Coal (RVK)

Dr. Rosenkranz Reich Association Coal (RVK)

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PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 48-A

EXTRACTS FROM STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF THE FIFTY-THIRD

CONFERENCE OF THE CENTRAL PLANNING BOARD,

16 FEBRUARY 1944

Secret!

_STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF THE 53D CONFERENCE

OF THE CENTRAL PLANNING BOARD_

_Concerning Supply of Labor held on 16 February 1944, 10 o’clock,_

_in the Reich Air Ministry_

Present: Milch (for Central Planning Board), Kehrl, Backe, etc.

MILCH: The armament industry employs foreign workers to a large extent,

according to the latest figures—40 percent. The new allocations of the

Plenipotentiary General for Labor Allocation consist mostly of

foreigners and we lost a lot of German personnel which was called up.

Specially the air industry being a young industry employs a great many

young people who should be called up. This will be very difficult as is

easily seen if one deducts those working for experimental stations. In

mass production the foreign workers by far prevail. It is about 95

percent and higher. Our best new engine is made 88 percent by Russian

prisoners of war and the other 12 percent by German men and women. 50-60

Ju 52’s which we now regard only as transport planes are made per month.

Only 6-8 German men are working on this machine, the rest are Ukrainian

women who have beaten all the records of trained workers.

* * * * *

The list of the shirkers should be entrusted to Himmler’s trustworthy

hands who will make them work, all right. This is very important for

educating people and has also a deterrent effect on such others who

would likewise feel inclined to shirk.

* * * * *

* * * It is, therefore, not possible to exploit fully all the foreigners

unless we compel them by piece work or have the possibility of taking

measures against foreigners who are not doing their bit. But if the

foreman lays hands on a prisoner of war or smacks him, at once there is

a terrible uproar, the man is put into prison, etc. There are sufficient

officials in Germany who think it their most important duty to stand up

for human rights instead of war production. I, too, am all for human

rights. But if a Frenchman says, “You fellows will all be hanged and the

chief of the factory will be beheaded first”, and if then the chief

says, “I am going to hit him”, then he is in a mess. He is not

protected, but the “poor fellow” who said that to him is protected. I

have told my engineers, “I am going to punish you if you don’t hit such

a man; the more you do in this respect the more I shall praise you. I

shall see to it that nothing happens to you.” This is not yet

sufficiently known. I cannot talk to all plant leaders. I should like to

see the man who stays my arm because I can take care of anybody who does

so. If the little plant leader does that he is put into a concentration

camp and runs the risk of losing the prisoners of war. In one case two

Russian officers took off with an airplane but crashed. I ordered that

these two men be hanged at once. They were hanged or shot yesterday. I

left that to the SS. I expressed the wish to have them hanged in the

factory for the others to see. * * *

* * * * *

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PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 48-B

REPORT ON THE FIFTY-THIRD CONFERENCE OF THE CENTRAL

PLANNING BOARD, 16 FEBRUARY 1944

[Marginal notes] St. 10-44 VII Top Secret

The Plenipotentiary for the Four Year Plan

Central Planning Board

Z.P. 7 g. Rs.

Pl. 030053

Berlin, 18 February 1944

W 8, Leipziger Strasse 3

Secret

31 copies, 3d copy

[Milch’s initial]

M

_REPORT ON THE 53D CONFERENCE OF THE CENTRAL

PLANNING BOARD ON 16 FEBRUARY 1944,

ON LABOR ALLOCATION 1944_

The purpose of this conference is to determine the labor needs and

resources for the 1st quarter and the whole year of 1944. The session is

opened by the discussion of the data submitted by the planning office

(see enclosures 1-9). On the basis of the planning office’s estimate of

the requirements (enclosure 9) these turn out, after discussion with the

individual allottees, to be the following:

First Second-Fourth

Quarter-44 Quarter-44 Total

in 1000’s

Agriculture 70 (1) 70 (2) 140

Forestry and Timber Industry 40 (3) . . (4) 40

Armament and War Production 544 (5) 3,000 (6) 3,544

Air Raid Damages 100 50 150 (7)

Communications 85 (8) 265 350

Distribution . . . . . .

Public Administration 62 (9) . . 62

Wehrmacht Administration 130 . . 130

——— ——— ———

1,031 3,385 4,416

(1) Not including the 200,000 of whom 100,000 each will flow back from

industry and forestry.

(2) Not including the demand for seasonal workers amounting usually to

62,000.

(3) 25,000 for forestry and 15,000, including 8,000 women for the timber

industry, as against a peacetime requirement of 150,000 male and 40,000

female seasonal workers, although now considerably increased production

(1943:70 million cubic meters; 1944:80 million cubic meters) and

particularly heavy combing-out through draft.

(4) Starting autumn 1944, the usual necessary transfer from agriculture.

(5) Found to be a priority requirement for February with the

Plenipotentiary for Labor Allocation.

(6) Starting March, 200,000 monthly as compensation for fluctuations—2

million for period March to December 1944. Plus compensation for return

to agriculture 100,000 (cp. note 1) including 30,000 retrained workers

who perhaps will have to be covered by an over-all exchange system and

about 900,000 as replacement for draftees, as reserves for increased

programs, etc., making about 3 million men all told for the period from

March to December 1944.

(7) 150,000 is the minimum requirement in addition to the hitherto

assigned 70,000 OT, 100,000 GB construction and 118,000 workmen to the

local and district assignments and 42,000 workers centrally assigned.

The mobile formations are to be increased and sometimes to be reinforced

by local help, particularly by people unemployed through bombings.

(8) Including 75,000 for the Reichsbahn, 1,000 for inland navigation,

7,000 for motor traffic, 2,000 for minor railways.

(9) Including 27,000 for the Reichspost and 35,000 for the Red Cross.

In this estimate, real fluctuation (departure from work) as well as

fictitious fluctuation (change of work location) are taken into account.

Fictitious fluctuation is still to be variously estimated in the various

branches. For the armament section it is estimated at 50 percent of the

total fluctuation (cp. note 6). The total requirements of approximately

4.4 million would thus decrease by up to 1 million. The above estimate

of requirements ought, therefore, in no case to exceed the requirements

determined at the Fuehrer’s conference on 4 January 1944, comprising

only the real fluctuation and amounting to 4,05 million namely:

1. Maintenance of the status of activity in the whole of 2,5 million

the war economy including agriculture, taking into

account the replacement of deficiencies due to drafts

into the Wehrmacht, deaths, illness, expiration of

contract, etc. (real fluctuation)

2. For additional armament tasks and removal of bottleneck 1,30 million

situations in armament plants

3. Air raid defense constructions, etc. 0,25 million

—————

Total 4,05 million

Kehrl is charged with the task of ascertaining the magnitude of real and

fictitious fluctuation, and as a basis thereto, on behalf of the Central

Planning Board, together with the competent offices, to determine the

concepts, “real and fictitious fluctuation,” furthermore the concepts,

assignment, reserves [Aufstockung], etc., in a uniform terminology which

will be binding for all agencies concerned.

The following resources are the GBA’s [Sauckel’s] estimated coverage of

the requirements:

1. With the utmost efforts, other workers can be mobilized 500,000

from German domestic reserves (getting hold of labor

unemployed as result of enemy air raids, compulsory

registration, shutting down, combing out measures)

2. Recruitment of Italian labor numbering at the rate of 1,500,000

250,000 a month from January to April—1,000,000 and

500,000 from May to December

3. Recruitment of French labor at equal monthly rates, 1,000,000

from 1 February to 31 December 1944 (approx. 91,000 per

month)

4. Recruitment of labor from Belgium 250,000

5. Recruitment of labor from the Netherlands 250,000

6. Recruitment of labor from the eastern territories, 600,000

occupied former Soviet territories, Baltic states, and

General Government

7. Recruitment of workers from other European countries 100,000

—————

Approximately 4,2 million

In addition, the following possibilities are seen for the mobilization

of more reserves: Intensification of employment of women (in England, 61

percent of women between 14 and 65 are conscripted for the war economy,

in Germany only 46 percent) especially in agriculture (more stringent

application of the Goering ordinance), reduction in number of domestic

assistants, reduction of the idle classes (Sauckel-Kehrl-Himmler, in

this respect regional round-ups are to be carried out separately for

foreigners, men and women) improvement of the sanitary system (saving up

to 3 percent), working out of equitable contractual wages with incentive

wage premiums. The planning office undertakes in common with the GBA

[Sauckel] the examination of these possibilities for an intensified

mobilization. Kehrl is moreover commissioned to make a general

examination of the question of an improvement of industrial labor

assignment. Everyone concerned will transmit their data on faulty

assignment of workers to the planning office. If necessary, this

question will be handled at a special session of the Central Planning

Board.

For the 1st quarter of 1944 the following resources (including a

fictitious fluctuation of about 50,000 per month) are given by the

estimate of the GBA [Sauckel]:

Assignments in January 145,000

Assignments February-March 500,000

————

Approximately 650,000

The adjustment of requirements and coverage will be effected at another

session of the Central Planning Board.

[Signed] STEFFLER

Present:

Field Marshal Milch

State Secretary Koerner

President Kehrl

Ministerial Councillor Steffler

Maj. Gen. Waeger Ministry for Armament and

Munitions

Teuscher Ministry for Armament and

Munitions

KVV Chief Bosch Ministry for Armament and

Munitions

Ministerial Councillor Wissmann Ministry for Armament and

Munitions

Lt. Col. Schaede Ministry for Armament and

Munitions

Provincial Counsellor Berk Plenipotentiary for Labor

Allocation

State Secretary Hayler Reich Economic Ministry

General of Engineers Sellschopp Reich Air Ministry

Staff Engineer Kaufmann Reich Air Ministry

Staff Secretary Ganzenmueller Reich Transport Ministry

Ministerial Director Hassenpflug Reich Transport Ministry

Ministerial Councillor Hennig Reich Transport Ministry

State Secretary Backe Reich Food Ministry

State Secretary Alpers Reich Office for Forestry

Prof. Abetz Reich Office for Forestry

State Secretary Gutterer Propaganda Ministry

Mayor Ellgering Propaganda Ministry

Gen. Weidemann OKW

Major Koch OKW

Distribution:

Reich Minister Speer 1st copy

Reich Minister Funk 2d copy

Field Marshal Milch 3d copy

State Secretary Koerner 4th copy

President Kehrl 5th copy & 6th

Engineer Goerner 7th copy

Ministerial Councillor Steffler 8th & 9th copies

Maj. Gen. Waeger 10th copy

KVV Chief Bosch 11th copy

Ministerial Councillor Wissmann 12th copy

Provincial Councillor Berk 13th copy

State Secretary Hayler 14th copy

General Engineer Sellschopp 15th copy

State Secretary Ganzenmueller 16th copy

State Secretary Backe 17th copy

State Secretary Alpers 18th copy

State Secretary Gutterer 19th copy

Gen. Weidemann 20th copy

Major Koch 21st copy

Planning Office 22d & 23d copies

Registry V.P. 24th & 31st copies

Pla. 160/ 11.2.

List of persons invited to the Conference of the Central

Planning Board on 16 February 1944:

Chairman: Field Marshal Milch

Participants:

Reich Minister of Economy Funk

State Secretary Koerner

State Secretary Dr. Backe

General Forester Dr. Alpers

State Secretary Dr. Ganzenmueller

State Secretary Dr. Gutterer

President Kehrl

Maj. Gen. Waeger

Ministerial Manager Dr. Timm (crossed out and replaced by Provincial

Councillor Berk)

Military Government vice-regent Dr. Bosch

Ministerial Councillor Dr. Steffler

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PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 48-A

EXTRACTS FROM THE STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF THE

FIFTY-FOURTH CONFERENCE OF THE CENTRAL PLANNING

BOARD, 1 MARCH 1944

_STENOGRAPHIC MINUTES OF THE 54TH CONFERENCE_[96]

_OF THE CENTRAL PLANNING BOARD_

Re: Labor Supply on Wednesday, 1 March 1944, 10 o’clock, at the

Ministry for Air Transport

SAUCKEL: Field Marshal [Milch], Gentlemen, it goes without saying that

we shall satisfy as far as possible the demands agreed upon by the

Central Planning Board. In this connection I wish to state that I call

such deliveries as can be made by the Plenipotentiary for Labor

Allocation “possible” by stressing every nerve of his organization.

Already on 4 January I had to report to the Fuehrer with the greatest

regret that for the first time I was not in a position to guarantee

delivery of the grand total of 4,050,000 men then calculated in the

Fuehrer’s Headquarters for the year 1944. In the presence of the Fuehrer

I emphasized this several times. In the previous years I was able to

satisfy the demands, at least with regard to the number of laborers, but

this year I am no longer able to guarantee them in advance. In case I

can deliver only a small number, I should be glad if those arriving

would be distributed by percentage within the framework of your program.

Of course, I shall readily agree if I am now told by the board: Now we

have to change the program; now this or that is more urgent. It goes

without saying that we will satisfy the demands whatever they may be, to

the best of our ability, with due regard to the war situation. So much

about figures!

We have no reason to contest the figures as such, for we ask nothing for

ourselves. We are not even able to do anything with the laborers we

collect; we only put them at the disposal of industry. I only wish to

make some general statements and ask for your indulgence.

In the autumn of last year the supply program, inasmuch as it concerns

supply from abroad was frustrated to a very great extent; I need not

give the reasons in this circle; we have talked enough about them, but I

have to state: the program has been smashed. People in France, Belgium,

and Holland thought that labor was no longer to be directed from these

countries to Germany because the work now had to be done within these

countries themselves. For months—sometimes I visited these countries

twice within a month—I have been called a fool who against all reason

travelled around in these countries in order to extract labor. This went

so far, I assure you, that all prefectures in France had general orders

not to satisfy my demands since even the German authorities quarreled

over whether or not Sauckel was a fool. If one’s work is smashed in such

a way, repair is very, very difficult. * * *

* * * * *

* * * Today I am able to report that we stopped that decrease. According

to most accurate statistics, which I had ordered, we have today again

including foreign workers and prisoners of war, the same number of 29.1

million which we had in September. But we have added nothing since that

time. Thus we dispatched to the Reich in those two months no more than

4,500 Frenchmen which amounts to nothing. From Italy only 7,000

civilians arrived. This, although from 1 December until today, I have

had no hour, no Sunday, and no night for myself. I have visited all

these countries and travelled through the whole Reich. My work was

terribly difficult, but not for the reason that no more workers are to

be found. I wish to state expressly, in France and in Italy there are

still men galore. The situation in Italy is nothing but a European

scandal, the same applies to a certain extent to France. Gentlemen, the

French work badly and support themselves at the expense of the work done

by the German soldier and laborer, even at the expense of the German

food supply, and the same applies to Italy. I found out during my last

stay that the food supply of the northern Italians cannot suffer any

comparison with that of the southern Italians. The northern Italians,

viz., as far to the south as Rome are so well nourished that they need

not work; they are nourished quite differently from the German nation by

their Father in Heaven without having to work for their bread. The labor

reserves exist but the means of touching them have been smashed.

The most abominable point made by my adversaries is their claim that no

executive had been provided within these areas in order to recruit in a

sensible manner the Frenchmen, Belgians, and Italians and to dispatch

them to work. Thereupon I even proceeded to employ and train a whole

batch of French male and female agents who for good pay, just as was

done in olden times for “shanghaiing”, went hunting for men and made

them drunk by using liquor as well as words in order to dispatch them to

Germany. Moreover I charged some able men with founding a special labor

supply executive of our own, and this they did by training and arming,

with the help of the Higher SS and Police Leader, a number of natives,

but I still have to ask the Munitions Ministry for arms for the use of

these men. * * *

* * * * *

* * * Especially the protected factories in the occupied countries make

my work more difficult. According to reports received within the last

days these protected factories are to a great part filled to capacity,

and still labor is sucked up into these areas. This strong suction very

much obstructs our desire to dispatch labor to the Reich. I wish to

emphasize that I never opposed the use of French labor in factories

which had been transferred from Germany to France. I am still sound of

mind, and as recently as last summer I charged Mr. Hildebrand with an

inquiry in France which had the following result: It would be easy to

extract from French medium and small factories—80 percent of all French

factories are small enterprises with only 36-40 working hours—1 million

laborers for use in the transferred factories, and 1 million more for

dispatch to Germany. To use 1 million within France should be quite

possible unless the protected factories in France artificially suck up

the labor completely and unless their number is continually increased,

as happens according to my reports especially in Belgium, and unless new

categories of works are continually declared protected, so that finally

no labor is left which I may use in Germany. I wish here and now to

repeat my thesis: A French workman, if treated in the right way, does

double the amount of work in Germany that he would do in France, and he

has here twice the value he has in France. I want to state clearly and

fearlessly—the exaggerated use of the idea of protected factories in

connection with the labor supply from France in my submission implies a

grave danger for the German labor supply. If we cannot come to the

decision that my assistants, together with the armament authorities, are

to comb out every factory, this fountain of labor too in the future will

remain blocked for the use of Germany, and in this case the program

prescribed to me by the Fuehrer may well be frustrated. The same applies

to Italy. In either country there are enough laborers, even enough

skilled workers; only we must have enough courage to step into the

French plants. What really happens in France, I do not know. That a

smaller amount of work is done during enemy operations in France, like

in every occupied country, than is done in Germany seems to me evident.

If I am to fulfill the demands which you present to me, you must be

prepared to agree with me and my assistants, that the term “protected

factory” is to be restricted in France to what is really necessary and

feasible by reasonable men, and the protected factories are not, as the

Frenchmen think, protected against any extraction of labor from them for

use in Germany. It is indeed very difficult for me to be presented to

French eyes as a German of whom they may say, Sauckel is here stopped

from acting for German armament! * * * On the other hand, I have grounds

for hoping that I shall be just able to wiggle through, first by using

my old corps of agents and my labor executive, and secondly by relying

upon the measures which I was lucky enough to succeed in obtaining from

the French Government. In a discussion lasting 5-6 hours I have exerted

from M. Laval the concession that the death penalty will be threatened

for officials endeavoring to sabotage the flow of labor supply and

certain other measures. Believe me, this was very difficult. It required

a hard struggle to get this through. But I succeeded and now in France,

Germans ought to take really severe measures, in case the French

Government does not do so. Don’t take it amiss, I and my assistants in

fact have sometimes seen things happen in France that I was forced to

ask, is there no respect any more in France for the German lieutenant

with his 10 men. For months every word I spoke was countered by the

answer: But what do you mean, Mr. Gauleiter, you know there is no

executive at our disposal; we are not able to take action in France!

This I have been answered over and over again. How then, am I to

regulate the labor supply with regard to France. There is only one

solution—the German authorities have to co-operate with each other, and

if the Frenchmen despite all their promises do not act, then we Germans

must make an example of one case, and, by reason of this law, if

necessary put prefect or burgomaster against the wall, if he does not

comply with the rules; otherwise no Frenchman at all will be dispatched

to Germany. During the latter quarter the belief in a German victory and

in all propaganda statements which we were still able to make has sunk

below zero, and today it is still the same. I rather expect the new

French ministers, especially Henriot [French (Vichy) Minister of

Propaganda] will act ruthlessly; they are very willing and I have a good

impression of them. The question is only how far they will be able to

impress their will on the subordinated authorities. Such is the

situation in France.

In Italy the situation is exactly the same, perhaps rather worse. * * *

Moreover, I am offended, and this grieves me most, by the statement that

I was responsible for the European partisan nuisance. Even German

authorities reproached me thus, although they were the last ones who

have the right to make such statements. I wish to protest against this

slander, and I can prove that it is not I who is responsible. * * *

* * * Numerous German authorities, even such as had no connections with

economics and labor supply, inquired of me, why do you fetch these

people to Germany at all? You make trouble for this area and render our

existence there more difficult. To which I can only reply: It is my duty

to insist on it that labor supply comes from abroad. There is no longer

a German labor supply. That the latter is exhausted I already proved by

my ill-famed manifesto of April of last year. But I am not able to

transfer the German soil to France. Nor can I transfer the German

traffic to France nor the German mines. Nor can I transfer the German

armament works which still have to release part of their workers, if fit

for war service, nor their machines. Here alone 2,500,000 men are in

question as has been calculated in the Fuehrer conference. It is the

flower of German workers who go to the front and must go there. I have

always been one of those who says: If only energetic measures are

applied in fetching labor from abroad, then we want to release in God’s

name everybody from armaments work whom we can, in order to strengthen

our companies. The 1st and 7th Armored Divisions from Thuringia are

frequently mentioned in the armed forces report, I can only tell you

that the number of soldiers killed in battle in some Thuringian villages

has surpassed for some time already the number of soldiers killed in the

World War [I] by twice that amount. This I mention in my capacity as

Gauleiter. It is for this reason that we have to do our duty. The best

kind of German men, and men in the prime of life, have to go to the

front, and German women of more than 50 years of age cannot replace

them. Therefore I have to continue to go to France, Belgium, Holland,

and Italy, and there will be a time again when I shall go to Poland and

extract workers there as fit and as many of them as I can get. In this

circle I only wish to urge that you spread it around that I am not quite

the insane fellow I have been said to be during the last quarter of a

year. Even the Fuehrer has been told so. It goes without saying that

just this slander has had the effect that I was unable to deliver in the

last quarter at least 1½ million workers whom I would have been able to

deliver as long ago as last year, had the atmospheric conditions been

better. It was due to that “artificial atmospheric screen”, that they

did not arrive. I am aware that they simply have to arrive this year. My

duty to the Fuehrer, the Reich Marshal, Minister Speer, and towards you,

Gentlemen, and to agriculture is apparent, and I shall fulfill it. A

start has been made, and as many as 262,000 new workers have arrived,

and I hope and am convinced to be able to deliver the bulk of the order.

How the labor is to be distributed will then have to be decided

according to the needs of the whole of German industry, and I shall

always be prepared to keep the closest contact with you, Gentlemen, and

to charge the labor exchanges and the district labor exchanges with

intimately collaborating with you. Everything is functioning if such

collaboration exists. * * *

* * * * *

MILCH: * * * I now proceed to the important question, where are we still

able to get greater amounts of laborers from you, and without a doubt

the answer is, from abroad. I have asked Mr. Schieber to make a short

appearance here in order to give his opinion on Italy. I agree with your

statement, Gauleiter, that it is only the bad organization of our work

abroad which is responsible for the fact that you can’t do your job. Too

many people meddle in your work. If someone tells you, there is no

executive in France and Italy, I consider it an impudence, a foolish and

stupid lie uttered by people who either are unable to think or

consciously state an untruth. This kind of person is not interested in

giving a clear lead in this respect and in analyzing the situation,

probably because they are not smart enough. In this way, however, your

work is rendered more difficult or frustrated, and all armament work at

the same time. For we have it before our eyes what close relations exist

between the situation in the occupied countries and that in the

armaments industry. A more foolish policy can hardly be conceived. In

case the invasion of France begins and succeeds only to a certain

degree, then we shall experience a rising by partisans such as we have

never experienced either in the Balkans or in the East, not because this

would have happened in any case, but only because we made it possible by

not dealing with them in the right manner. Four whole age groups have

grown up in France, men between 18 and 23 years of age, who are,

therefore, at that age when young people moved by patriotism or seduced

by other people are ready to do anything which satisfies their personal

hatred against us—and of course they hate us. These men ought to have

been called up in age groups and dispatched to Germany; for they present

the greatest danger which threatens us in case of invasion. I am firmly

convinced and have said several times, if invasion starts, sabotage of

all railways, works, and supply bases will be a daily occurrence, and

then it will be really the case that our forces are no longer available

to survey the execution of our orders within the country, but they will

have to fight at the front, thereby leaving in their rear the much more

dangerous enemy who destroys their communications, etc. If one had shown

the nailed fist and a clear executive intention, a churchyard peace

would reign in the rear of the front at the moment the uproar starts.

This I have emphasized so frequently, but still nothing is happening, I

am afraid. For if one intends to start to shoot at that moment, it will

be too late for it; then we have no longer the men at our disposal to

kill off the partisans. In the same way, we are aware of the fact that

their supply of arms in the West is rather ample since the English are

dropping them from planes. I consider it an idiotic statement if you,

Gauleiter, are accused of having made these men into partisans. As soon

as you arrive the men run away to protect themselves from being sent to

Germany. Then they are away, and since they do not know how to exist,

they automatically fall into the hands of the partisan leaders; but this

is not the consequence of the fact that you wish to fetch them, but of

the fact that your opposite number, the executive is not able to prevent

their escape. You simply cannot act differently. The main crux of the

problem is the fact that your work is made so extremely difficult, and

this is why you cannot deliver the 4,050,000 workers. As long as it is

feasible for these men to get away and not be caught by the executive,

as long as the men are able not to return from leave and not to be found

out on the other side, I do not think, Party Comrade Sauckel, that you

will have a decisive success through employing your special corps. The

men even then will be whisked away unless quite another authority and

power is on the watch, and this can only be the army itself. The army

alone can exercise effective executive. If some say they cannot do this

kind of work, this is incorrect for within France there are training

forces stationed in every hole and corner town and every place which

could all be used for this work. If this would be done in time, the

partisan nuisance would not emerge, just as it would not have done in

the East if one had only acted in time. Once I had this task at

Stalingrad. At Taganrog there were then 65,000 men of the army, and at

the front one lieutenant and 6 men were actually available for each km.

and they would have been only too glad if they had 20-30 for their

assistance. In the rear there were great masses of men who had retreated

in time and squatted down in the villages, and who now were available

neither for fighting at the front nor for fighting the partisans. I am

aware that I am placing myself in opposition to my own side, but I have

seen such things happen everywhere, and can find no remedy but that the

army should assert itself ruthlessly. You, Gauleiter Sauckel, the Reich

Marshal, and the Central Planning Board ought to report on this question

to the Fuehrer, and then he ought to decide at the same time on the

duties of the military commanders. There ought to be orders of such

lucidity that they could not be misunderstood, and it is then that

things will be in order. It never can be too late to do so, but these

duties and this work will be more difficult to perform with every

passing day. The same applies to Italy as well.

* * * * *

SAUCKEL: I wish to insist on combing out the protected factories in the

future also for the protected factories are working like a suction pump;

and since it is known everywhere in Italy and France that every worker

if he works in a protected factory is protected against any attempt of

mine to extract him, it is only too natural that the men are pouring

into these factories. How difficult my task becomes thereby is proved by

the following fact. I intended to extract from Italy a million workers

within the quarter ending 30 May. Hardly 7,000 arrived in the two months

which expired so far. This is indeed the difficulty. The bulk enters the

protected factories, and only the chaff remains for my purpose to send

them to Germany. At least I hope to accomplish that with regard to

larger enterprises as the number of protected factories is restricted in

Italy, i.e., the number of protected factories, will not be further

increased.

* * * * *

SAUCKEL: This indeed is the decisive question, the one we are dealing

with now. If half of the program for 4 million workers to be brought to

Germany—in other words 2 million—cannot be fulfilled, the employment

of labor in Germany will fall off this year. The more useful workers,

however, are in France, and of course in Italy too, employed in the

protected factories. Therefore if I am not to touch the protected

factories which are situated in these countries, this will have the

effect that the less valuable workers instead of the more valuable type

will arrive in Germany. And here we have to ponder about what is in fact

more important and expedient. If we give up using these people in

Germany, where we effectively rule the factories, where moreover we keep

to a different labor discipline and reach better labor results than in

France proper, then we give up the valuable kind, and then I shall only

be able to transport to Germany the less valuable kind of people who

still can be found on the streets of France or Italy, or people like

waiters, hairdressers, small folk from tailor shops, etc.

MILCH: What is the percentage of protected factories in Italy compared

with the whole of Italian labor?

SCHIEBER: I think 14 percent, but I don’t have the figures here.

MILCH: Would not the following method be better: We could take under

German administration the entire food supply for the Italians and tell

them: Only he gets any food who either works in a protected factory or

goes to Germany.

SAUCKEL: True, the French worker in France is better nourished than the

German worker is in Germany, and the Italian worker too, even if he does

not work at all, is better nourished in the part of Italy occupied by us

than if he works in Germany. This is why I asked the German food

authorities over and over again to improve also the food of the German

worker introducing the “factory sandwich”. When I am in Paris, of

course, I go to Maxim’s. There one can experience miracles of

nourishment. The Fuehrer still thinks that in these countries only very

rich men who can go to Maxim’s are well provided with food. Thereupon I

sent my assistants to the Paris suburbs, to the estaminets and lunch

restaurants and was told that the Frenchmen who eat there did not feel

the shortage caused by the war to any degree comparable with what our

nation has to experience. The average French citizen too can still buy

everything he wishes.

(Interruption: This is still more so in small places!)

Yes. Moreover, the Frenchman can pay for what he can get. Therefore he

has no reason for wishing to go to Germany in order to get better food.

This unfortunately is the case.

MILCH: Is there nothing we can do? True, we might not be able to control

the distribution to the customer, but we ought to be able to intervene

at an earlier stage of distribution.

KOERNER: We have requested from France really immense amounts of food;

these requests have always been fulfilled; often after some pressure,

but they have been fulfilled.

MILCH: But there is a simple remedy, let us cease supplying the troops

from Germany, but tell them to provide the food for themselves from

France. Then in a few weeks they will have everything eaten up, and then

we can start distributing the food to the Frenchmen.

KOERNER: In France there still is for the time being a rationing system.

The Frenchmen had his ration card on which he receives the minimum. The

rest he provides in other ways, partly by receiving food parcels which

we cannot touch at all. Every year we increase our food demands to the

French Government who always satisfied them, though very frequently

yielding to pressure, and in proportion to the harvest results, were

they good or bad. In Italy the situation is that food is not rationed at

all. The Italian can buy and eat what he wants, and since an Italian

always has money and deals in the black market, he is in a much better

situation than our German worker who practically has nothing but what he

gets on his card.

MILCH: But don’t we even send food to Italy?

KOERNER: We are exchanging certain goods.

SAUCKEL: Moreover we are now at the point that the families of French

and Italian workers are no longer in a better position owing to the

money transfer if their bread-winning members are working in Germany

than if they remain abroad; now nothing remains to induce them to go to

Germany.

* * * * *

MILCH: Unfortunately, Reich Minister Speer is not present today. He

certainly must have had an opinion about the whole system. His agreement

with Bichelonne was to activate an additional labor supply in France

itself for our armament with the aid of existing French capacities. We

cannot compute the result here of what was achieved by that action.

Whether the result he dreamed of has been achieved cannot be decided

just yet; that is, have the S-plants given us an increase of armaments

which is greater than what we would have achieved if the people had

worked in Germany? I would propose that Minister Speer himself one day

clarify this problem again. Because if only a negative result had been

achieved, he would automatically change his point of view too.

The first question is: Is the percentage of trained people in the

S-plants so great that all the others are to be regarded as rubbish? And

the second question is: Is it possible at all, with the lack of

so-called executive power and differing opinions on this question, to

seize and transfer to Germany the remaining 80 percent who are not in

the S-plants? So, in view of the general political and organizational

conditions in France, would you be able to transfer some 10-15 percent

of the best of these 80 percent?

SAUCKEL: I’ll have to get them.

MILCH: Can you do it at all?

SAUCKEL: Today I cannot promise anything. Today I can only do my work.

MILCH: I mean, in reference to the other 80 percent, if your hands are

not tied by different circumstances, that first, there is nothing to

attract these people to Germany; that second, they reckon with Germany’s

defeat in a short time; that third, they are attached to their families

and to their country; and that fourth, they shun work because they can

still exist, and without it they look on the whole period as a period of

transition. On the other hand you have the fact that the army does not

assist you and that the German authorities are hostile to each other, a

fact which is very cleverly utilized by the French.

SAUCKEL: That has changed since my last visit. All German authorities,

the Military Commander, Field Marshal von Rundstedt, Field Marshal

Sperrle, have supported me considerably in these affairs.

(MILCH: I refer to the smaller authorities, the executive ones.)

That has been spoiled—pardon me if I have to bring this up—because all

departments, even armaments over there, were of the opinion up to 4

January, that my claims and, especially, my figures, were crazy.

(MILCH: But only people who could not understand such figures.)

Up to 4 January it was the same everywhere, from the military commander

to the German Ambassador and the German armament departments. Up to then

all the agencies in France had in general held the opinion: it has not

been decided yet by any means, Sauckel’s figures are not correct, so we

have to take it easy here. And that penetrated naturally down to the

lower ranks of French authorities too.

MILCH: That is just what I mean about the differences of opinion between

you and Minister Speer. You say: The best thing for me is to approach

the protected industries; Speer says: Leave those people alone, take 80

percent away from the others. And if one is neutral, one has to say,

always with the provision that these 20 percent in the S-plants really

achieve something for us, Speer is right when he says: Please do not

touch my 20 percent; there are enough among the 80 percent for your use.

And now I say: Why do you not take the others? Is it so difficult to

approach them?

SAUCKEL: No. I need the people as well. The fact is that Speer’s plants

are filling up nowadays. For instance, I received the information the

day before yesterday that the urge to work for the protected industries

is especially strong in France just now and so the supply of skilled

workers to Germany is practically cut off. Skilled workers can only be

found in these plants.

KEHRL: May I explain briefly the opinion of my Minister? Otherwise the

impression might be created that the measures taken by Minister Speer

had been unclear or unreasonable, and I want to prevent this. Seen from

our viewpoint, the situation is as follows: Up to the beginning of 1943

manufacturing for Germany was done in France only to a relatively modest

extent, since generally only such work was transferred for which German

capacity did not suffice; these were some few individual products, and

moreover some basic industries. During all this time a great number of

Frenchmen were recruited and voluntarily went to Germany.

(SAUCKEL: Some were recruited forcibly.)

The drafting started after the recruiting no longer yielded adequate

results.

SAUCKEL: Out of the five million foreign workers who arrived in Germany,

not even 200,000 came voluntarily.

KEHRL: Let us forget for the moment whether or not some slight pressure

was used. Formally, at least, they were volunteers. After this

recruitment no longer yielded satisfactory results, we started drafting

according to age groups, and with regard to the first age group the

success was rather good. Up to eighty percent of the age group were

registered and sent to Germany. This started about June of last year.

Following developments in the Russian war and the hopes raised thereby

in the western nations, the results of this calling-up of age groups

became considerably worse, as can be proved by the figures noted; viz.,

the men tried to dodge this call-up for transport to Germany, partly by

simply not registering at all, partly by not arriving for the transport

or by leaving the transport en route. When they found out through these

first attempts during the months of July and August that the German

executive either was not able or was not willing to catch these shirkers

and either to imprison them or take them forcibly to Germany, the

readiness to obey the call-ups sank to a minimum. Therefore, relatively

small percentages were caught in individual countries. On the other

hand, these men, moved by the fear the German executive might after all

be able to catch them, did not enter French, Belgian, or Dutch

factories, but took to the mountains where they found company and

assistance from the small partisan groups there.

* * * * *

MILCH: Another question. Since now through the transfer of various

industries so much is covered by French labor, as in the textile

industry, etc., a corresponding number of German workers would

necessarily become free as a result of that.

KEHRL: Then they will not be requisitioned here, though they would have

been formerly.

TIMM: Nobody is going to be released. Probably other requests will be

sent to the same factories.

SAUCKEL: In this respect I must also draw attention to the fact that the

German factories which were shut down were much more up to date and

probably worked with less personnel than the French factories.

MILCH: But we want all the factories to work for armaments.

KEHRL: That would also result in spreading the risk in case of air

warfare.

MILCH: I believe the system to be good, as a still more severe

commitment of workers for Germany would have the effect of making a

considerable part of them remain over there for good. I wish you had

something to back you up so you can have enough power to get it done. I

do not think that anyone in France will enforce it.

SAUCKEL: But they will all right, if Germany goes at this thing the

right way. It is not the insignificant French workman who should be

punished, but the French policeman, who, instead of supplying people to

Germany, goes to them beforehand and says: I’m coming tomorrow; you’d

better get out. The French subordinate and intermediary authorities have

to be punished.

MILCH: Even if Bichelonne and Laval have the best intention there will

be resistance from the mayors, the gendarmes, and the prefects, just

because these people are afraid that, first, they will be called to

account afterwards for it, and, second, because of their patriotism,

which makes them say: We must not work for the enemy of our country.

Therefore, I would like to have an authority in our administration which

would force these people to do it, because then the French could say: If

you force us, we will do it, but voluntarily we will not do it. The same

applies to Italy. There they say: Who knows who will win, whether it

will be Mussolini or Badoglio or the King; only, if you force us, we are

ready to do it. Therefore, we have to have something on our side which

will exercise this pressure. I don’t see at all why big divisions should

be necessary for this. The existing forces should be sufficient to

accomplish it.

TIMM: I have the feeling that we are sticking too closely to the figures

and are neglecting the qualitative side of the question. The present

development may permit us to fulfill our programs with regard to

figures, but in the demands made by the factories the important thing

for them is to have so many metal workers, etc. Then we practically have

to say: You will only get unskilled workers.

KEHRL: We realize that. The plants are getting unskilled workers, at the

utmost it may be possible to obtain skilled workers by transferring

plants from Italy to Germany.

SAUCKEL: Then in the course of the year the factories will declare: We

cannot use these workers. And over against this you have the fact that

in France we have a reservoir of unused skilled workers.

MILCH: I am not worrying about that. Naturally our plants will say: We

want skilled workers. But they also need a certain number of unskilled

workers.

TIMM: Will it not happen that the officers making the demands say one

day: But we know that in the French plants there is an excess of skilled

workers which cannot be justified?

MILCH: That should be discussed again later with Speer himself. First,

Speer must have the proper perspective to see what has happened as the

result of all his agreements.

I can imagine that first the _numerus clausus_ is introduced at once, so

that the extent of the output in the S-plants is fixed, and that

secondly it is decided later on that if a part of the S-plants has not

worked properly after a certain period, they lose their protection again

and the people from these plants can be transferred as a unit. I can

foresee already now that in air armaments, part of the plants will turn

out such bad production that I shall not be interested in keeping them

up. So, protection for certain plants will simply be discontinued. And

this will have a positive effect on the other plants, too, because they

will say: If we don’t do our work properly, we shall be transferred. Now

during the transfer it is necessary to see that people really do arrive

and do not run away before or during the transfer. If a transport has

left a town and has not arrived, 500 to 600 persons from this place must

be arrested and sent to Germany as prisoners of war. Such a thing is

then talked about everywhere. If actions like this and other similar

ones are carried out often, they would exert a certain pressure. The

whole thing would be made easier if we had control of food. The stuff

offered by the black market has to come from a certain depot, and there

we ought to cut in.

KEHRL: That is difficult. The transport of food by parcel post has taken

on extraordinary proportions in France.

MILCH: If I were military commander, I would simply confiscate the whole

of the parcel post!

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PROSECUTION EXHIBIT 48-D

EXTRACTS FROM THE REPORT ON THE FIFTY-SIXTH CONFERENCE

OF THE CENTRAL PLANNING BOARD, 4 APRIL 1944

The Plenipotentiary for the Four Year Plan

Central Planning Board

Z.P. 18 Secr. St. Papers Pl. 030056

Berlin, 8 April 1944

[Signed] DR. GOERNER

Top Secret State Matter

_REPORT ON THE 56TH CONFERENCE OF THE CENTRAL

PLANNING BOARD ON 4 APRIL 1944_

_Building Allocation 1944_

* * * * *

The _Jaegerstab_ is to get a quota of 550 million including 150 million

definitely pledged from the reserve and the _air administration_ is to

have a quota of 200 million; both are to be checked against each other.

Regarding the air administration quota, precise details (as to specific

amounts, number of workers required, quantities of material, etc.) are

to be submitted, building projects for the supplying industry (optical

glass) are to be transferred to the office of armament supplies, trial

projects are to be discussed between the commissioner of building and

air H.C., the remaining demands are to be cleared between air chief

administration and the Chief of the General Staff.

* * * * *

The quota recipients will be informed of their respective quotas as of

guiding figures within the limits of which the commissioner of building

may give assignments. The quota recipients themselves are, on the basis

of these guiding figures, to re-plan their projects by concentrating on

priority issues and to report which of their building projects will have

to fall out including the resulting figures. Field Marshal Milch will

report to the Fuehrer on the total situation of building. Reports on the

quotas Air Ministry, Navy, Army, and Reichsbahn are to be sent to Field

Marshal Milch forthwith.

Demands of labor, building materials, etc., as resulting from the quota

allocations are to be discussed with the planning office by the quota

recipients taking into account such amounts of the quota as were already

used up for building purposes since 1 January 1944.

[Typed signature] STEFFLER.

Present:

Field Marshal Milch

Reich Minister Funk

State Secretary Koerner[97]

President Kehrl[98]

Dr. Ing. Goerner

Min. Rat Steffler

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