Is that the same as the turnpike?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; it is not.
Mr. JENNER. Would you explain that, please?
Mr. OSWALD. Highway 80 is on the old highway from Fort Worth to Dallas,
the turnpike being a later and more modern trafficway.
Mr. McKENZIE. And a toll road.
Mr. OSWALD. And a toll road.
Mr. JENNER. Did you take Highway 80 in going to Fort Worth?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; I did.
Mr. JENNER. But you returned by the toll road?
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct.
Mr. JENNER. All right, sir.
I take it you continued your drive--continued to drive along, while you
were attempting to rearrange your thoughts.
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct.
Mr. JENNER. And you eventually arrived where?
Mr. OSWALD. At Dallas, Tex., sir.
Mr. JENNER. Did you become a guest of a hotel; did you register
anywhere?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir, I did.
Mr. JENNER. Where?
Mr. OSWALD. At the Statler Hilton Hotel.
Mr. JENNER. In Dallas?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. Now, up to that moment, having in mind your route, had
anybody contacted you, had you spoken with anybody? Up to the time that
you entered the Statler Hilton Hotel to register?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; I had spoken to somebody.
Mr. JENNER. Who was that?
Mr. OSWALD. A gas station attendant midway on the turnpike where I
stopped to buy gas.
Mr. JENNER. But other than that incident, you had no contact with
anyone?
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct, sir.
Mr. JENNER. All right. You registered?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. Did you go to your room?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; I did.
Mr. DULLES. Approximately what time was this?
Mr. OSWALD. Approximately 10:30 p.m., that night, sir.
Mr. JENNER. After registering, did you retire for the evening, or did
you go somewhere?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I did not retire for the evening. I did, in fact,
go into the coffee room of the Statler Hilton Hotel in Dallas, and have
a ham sandwich and some milk, and shortly after completing this, I
walked across the street, which was approximately a half a block down
the street, to the Dallas police station again.
Mr. JENNER. All right.
Now, up to that moment, other than was necessary for you to register
and your conversation with a waitress, in connection with your having
some evening lunch, did you have any contact with anybody?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I did not.
Mr. JENNER. Did you have any contact at all of any kind or character up
to this moment with anybody in connection with the events of the day?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I had not.
Mr. JENNER. All right.
You went across the street to the Dallas City police station?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir, I did.
Mr. JENNER. Had you had an appointment?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir, I did not.
Mr. JENNER. What was your purpose in going across the street for that
visit?
Mr. OSWALD. I wanted to speak to Captain Fritz, if possible.
Mr. JENNER. You record on page 8 that you entered the Dallas police
station, you were interviewed or consulted by some FBI agents in a
small office.
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct.
Mr. JENNER. Do you recall their names?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I do not.
Mr. JENNER. I take it in any event, however, that they questioned you,
did they?
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct.
Mr. JENNER. And were all the answers that you gave the truth and
nothing but the truth to the best of your information, recollection,
and belief, at that time?
Mr. OSWALD. It most certainly was, sir.
Mr. JENNER. All right, sir.
When did you learn, if you ever learned, that your brother, Lee Harvey
Oswald, had in fact been charged with the assassination of President
Kennedy?
Mr. OSWALD. At approximately midnight or a few minutes before midnight,
November 22, 1963.
Mr. JENNER. And is that recorded on page 8 of your memorandum?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir, it is.
Mr. JENNER. What was your reaction when that information was conveyed
to you? What were your thoughts?
Mr. OSWALD. I do not recall if I had any thoughts at that particular
time, sir. I did not make any comment that I recall. I believe I just
shook my head.
Mr. JENNER. I was going to ask you in connection with page 8, your
opinion respecting the possible involvement of your brother, Lee Harvey
Oswald, in the assassination of President Kennedy, but Mr. Dulles this
morning in his questions has covered that subject, so I will skip it.
Now, did you see Captain Fritz that evening?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir, I did not.
Mr. JENNER. Did you attempt to see him?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; I did.
Mr. JENNER. Did you inquire further with respect to an opportunity on
your part that you wished to see your brother?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I had been told so many times that Captain Fritz
was quite busy, and I realize, of course, he was, and I let it go at
that.
Mr. JENNER. Now, following your visit to the police station, which you
do record there, and therefore I won't go into it further, what did you
do that evening?
Mr. OSWALD. I returned to my hotel, sir.
Mr. JENNER. And retired?
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct.
Mr. JENNER. Now, between the time you left the Statler Hilton Hotel and
the time you returned there to retire, were you contacted by anybody
or did you have any conversation with anybody respecting the course of
events of the day, other than you have recorded in your memorandum?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I did not. And I might add I did register under
my regular name at the Statler Hilton.
Mr. JENNER. I didn't even think to ask you that, because I assumed it
was so.
On page 9, you record and report the following morning an occasion when
you were in the barber shop of the Statler Hilton, obtaining a shave.
Isn't that correct, sir?
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct.
Mr. JENNER. And you also record an observation by one or both of the
barbers, I think the gentleman who was shaving you, on the subject of
your brother, Lee Harvey Oswald deserved a fair trial like anybody else.
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct.
Mr. JENNER. And then you end up that comment, "but I did leave my
barber a 50-cent tip."
That followed an observation on your part that you did not engage in
that conversation, and you merely listened.
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct, sir.
Mr. JENNER. Now, would you indicate to me the significance if there
is any significance, of the expression "but I did leave my barber a
50-cent tip."
Mr. OSWALD. The only significance, sir, that I put to it at that time
was that for the first time I was listening to somebody other than
police officers and FBI agents as to the past events of the preceding
day, and I was more or less hearing again for the first time a
reaction, either--pro and con, to these two gentlemen's opinions, who I
would take at that time would be average people, as to whether or not
Lee did have a right to a fair trial, regardless of what he had done or
been accused of.
Mr. JENNER. And do I take it a fair interpretation of your comment is
that you were pleased that average everyday people, that their reaction
was that your brother, Lee Harvey Oswald, was entitled to, and they
hoped he would obtain a fair and impartial trial when put to trial?
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct.
Mr. JENNER. And your reference to a 50-cent tip was an emphasis in
your own mind of your pleasure that a spontaneous reaction of ordinary
people was that he was entitled to and they hoped he would receive a
fair and impartial trial?
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct, sir.
Mr. JENNER. Would you turn to page 10, please? You record events--you
were then in the district attorney's office?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; that is correct.
Mr. JENNER. You refer to a "H. Wade." Who is H. Wade?
Mr. OSWALD. Mr. Henry Wade.
Mr. JENNER. And what office did he hold?
Mr. OSWALD. Dallas District Attorney.
Mr. JENNER. All right.
I don't know as I interpret your handwriting clearly. It looks to me as
though you have written reference to a Jim Bowie. Who was Jim Bowie?
Mr. OSWALD. First assistant district attorney to Mr. Henry Wade.
Mr. JENNER. On page 10 you use--you make a reference to, or a comment
with regard to a conversation which I take it took place between you
and Mr. Wade and Mr. Bowie, either or both of them, which was "not too
informative." Do you find that?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir, I do see the section that you are referring
to--if I may elaborate on that.
Mr. JENNER. I would like to have you elaborate.