Mr. OSWALD. Yes. I might add very courteously, inquired----

Mr. JENNER. That Mr. Fain was quite courteous in his inquiries of Vada?

Mr. OSWALD. Yes. He inquired over the phone as to whether or not we had

recently heard from Lee, and was there any indication about how his

efforts to return to the United States were progressing from that end.

Mr. DULLES. How did it happen he called upon your wife, rather than

you; were you away at that time, away on business or what?

Mr. OSWALD. I don't believe I was, sir. I do believe Mr. Fain was

courteous enough perhaps not to call me at my office, and it was of

such a nature that he felt like perhaps my wife could certainly answer

whether or not we had heard from him recently.

Mr. DULLES. I see.

Mr JENNER. Did she report to you as to whether any understanding had

been made by her, that she or you or both of you would advise the FBI

as soon as you had information as to when he might return to the United

States?

Mr. OSWALD. No, sir, I do not recall that.

Mr. JENNER. You don't recall her reporting that to you?

Mr. OSWALD. No, sir, I do not.

Mr. JENNER. You had already agreed with Mr. Fain back in September,

1961, to keep him advised of the comings and goings of your brother in

any event, did you not?

Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir, I do not believe it was my intentions, nor do I

believe I conveyed it to Mr. Fain at that time, that I would, as soon

as I did have notice that when, or approximately when, he was going to

arrive, that I would notify them. This was certainly not my intention

then. It perhaps didn't even occur to me at that time.

Mr. JENNER. Did you say anything to Mrs. Oswald, Mrs. Vada Oswald, when

she stated she had agreed to keep the FBI advised, or to advise the FBI

when you and she or either of you was further notified as to the time,

if any, of your brother Lee's return to the United States?

Mr. OSWALD. No, sir, my wife did not advise me that she made any type

of statement to Mr. Fain of that effect. So, I certainly did not advise

her to what we would do or convey to the FBI when we did have knowledge

of it.

Mr. JENNER. To the best of your recollection then there was no

discussion on that particular phase of your brother's presence in

Russia on the occasion you are now testifying about?

Mr. OSWALD. That is correct, sir.

Mr. JENNER. Now, you adverted to two occasions when the FBI interviewed

your wife. Was the second one June 26, 1962, or thereabouts?

In other words, approximately five weeks later?

Mr. OSWALD. The date was June 26, 1962, sir?

Mr. JENNER. Yes, sir.

Mr. OSWALD. I believe that would be correct, sir, or approximately

correct.

Mr. JENNER. Did you have a conversation with Mrs. Vada Oswald on that

subject and did she make a report to you of any kind?

Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir, I believe this is the occasion that either Mr.

Fain or some other agent called the house in Fort Worth, Tex., and

requested my wife to pass on to Lee Harvey Oswald that they would like

to see him at their office in Fort Worth, Tex., for an interview.

This is the only other time my wife ever conveyed to me that the FBI

had called the home and spoke to her, nothing else was said about it.

Mr. DULLES. This was about a month after his return, wasn't it?

Mr. OSWALD. Approximately 2 weeks.

Mr. JENNER. Was there any discussion on this particular occasion

between you and your wife on the subject of her not advising the FBI of

your brother's arrival in the United States?

Mr. OSWALD. No, sir, there was not.

Mr. JENNER. No discussion on that subject at all?

Mr. OSWALD. No, sir, not at all.

Mr. JENNER. Did she report to you that she had stated to Mr. Fain that

your brother Lee and his wife Marina and their child had come to Fort

Worth and were living with you and with her?

Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; she did not state that to me.

Mr. JENNER. Would you give again the full conversation?

Mr. OSWALD. On that date of June 26, 1962?

Mr. JENNER. Yes, between yourself and your wife Vada.

Mr. McKENZIE. To the best of your recollection.

Mr. JENNER. Yes.

Mr. OSWALD. To the best of my recollection, the full text of my

conversation with my wife was that Mr. Fain or some other member of

the FBI Bureau in Fort Worth, Tex., had called and spoke to her and

requested that she pass on to Lee Harvey Oswald that they would like to

speak to him at their office in Fort Worth, Tex. I would not say this

was part of the conversation, I would assume at that time, as I would

assume now, that perhaps he asked her was Lee and his family there.

If you know my wife, she didn't lie to Mr. Fain or any other FBI agent,

and she said he was, and perhaps this prompted the request. I might say

this, sir. If they did not know that Lee Harvey Oswald had returned in

June, until June 26, 1962, somebody was asleep on the job.

Mr. JENNER. I would perhaps be inclined to agree with that, sir. But

as far as your conversation with your wife Vada is concerned, she said

nothing that she had advised the FBI that--she had discussed with Mr.

Fain the fact that she had not advised the FBI of your brother Lee's

return.

Mr. OSWALD. That is correct, sir.

Mr. JENNER. Now, do you recall an interview with the FBI, or they with

you, on August 14, 1962 or thereabouts in Fort Worth?

Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir, and I recall that this was by telephone at the

general office of the Acme Brick Company and outside of my office as I

was leaving the office to go to lunch that day.

The telephone call came through and I took it in another office and

spoke to Mr. Fain briefly. He inquired----

Mr. JENNER. He identified himself as Mr. Fain?

Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir, that is correct.

Mr. JENNER. Had you become acquainted with his telephone voice at least

by that time?

Mr. OSWALD. Yes, I had.

Mr. JENNER. And that voice was the voice that you identified at that

time as that of Mr. Fain?

Mr. OSWALD. That is correct, sir.

Mr. JENNER. All right.

What did he say and what did you say?

Mr. OSWALD. He inquired as to where Lee was living at at that time and

to the best of my recollection my reply to him was that I did not know

the house number. I knew the street not by name but by locale and I

gave him this location.

Mr. JENNER. Would you please tell me what you said to him?

Mr. OSWALD. That to the best of my recollection, that this duplex was

located across the street from the side of Montgomery Ward located on

West 7th Street in Fort Worth, Tex., approximately three or four blocks

from West 7th Street.

Mr. McKENZIE. Mr. Chairman, you have greatly inconvenienced yourself

this evening and accommodated both myself and Mr. Oswald for which we

thank you.

However, it is now 16 or 17 minutes of 8 o'clock in the evening, and

Mr. Oswald has been testifying here for, to the best way I can----

Mr. DULLES. It will be 12 hours pretty soon, 11 hours.

Mr. McKENZIE. Approximately 11 hours and by the same token Mr. Jenner

has been questioning him for a like period of time, with the exception

of the few questions you have asked and the few questions I have asked,

and I submit maybe we should start again in the morning.

And I likewise say that he is perfectly willing to go forward but I do

know that you have plans and if we can meet----

Mr. DULLES. We will have to do it tomorrow.

Mr. McKENZIE. We can be here at 8:30, if it will suit the

Commission's----

(Discussion off the record.)

Mr. DULLES. 9:30 tomorrow morning.

And we will adjourn at 11 o'clock, come hell or high water.

(Whereupon, at 7:45 p.m., the President's Commission recessed.)

_Saturday, February 22, 1964_

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