Mr. JENNER. Was it--yes or no?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. By whom; Mr. Gopadze, by interpretation, interpreting
Marina?
Mr. OSWALD. There, again, sir, this was knowledge given to me after
their departure.
Mr. JENNER. Yes--but through what source did you obtain it?
Mr. OSWALD. Through Mr. Gopadze, in the presence of Marina Oswald.
And other Secret Service agents.
Mr. JENNER. And what did he say as to her aversion?
Mr. OSWALD. That Marina had recognized this one FBI agent as a man who
had come to the Paines' home in Irving, Texas, and perhaps at another
location where they might have lived in Dallas, or the surrounding
territory, and had questioned Lee on these occasions.
Mr. JENNER. In the home?
Mr. OSWALD. In or outside of the home. I do not know whether it took
place on the inside--but within the immediate grounds of the home, at
least.
Mr. DULLES. And was this early in 1963? Prior, anyway, to November 22,
1963, was it not?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir, that is correct. And that this particular one
agent--not the Mr. Brown I have referred to, but the other gentleman
that I do not recall his name--she had an aversion to speaking to
him because she was of the opinion that he had harassed Lee in his
interviews, and my observation of this at this time, at this particular
interview, was attempting to start--I would say this was certainly so.
His manner was very harsh, sir.
Mr. JENNER. Harsh towards Marina?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir, it most certainly was. And by the tone of
conversation by Marina to Mr. Gopadze, who was interpreting----
Mr. JENNER. In your presence?
Mr. OSWALD. In my presence. And the tone of the reply between this
gentleman and Mr. Gopadze, and back to Marina, it was quite evident
there was a harshness there, and that Marina did not want to speak to
the FBI at that time. And she was refusing to. And they were insisting,
sir. And they implied in so many words, as I sat there--if I might
state--with Secret Service Agent Gary Seals, of Mobile, Ala.--we were
opening the first batch of mail that had come to Marina and Lee's
attention, and we were perhaps just four or five feet away from where
they were attempting this interview, and it came to my ears that they
were implying that if she did not cooperate with the FBI agent there,
that this would perhaps--I say, again, I am implying--in so many words,
that they would perhaps deport her from the United States and back to
Russia.
I arose and called Mr. Mike Howard of the United States Secret Service
into the back bathroom, and stated this to him. And I also stated that
I realized there was some friction here between the United States
Secret Service and the FBI to the extent that I was of the opinion
that they did not want the FBI at that time to be aware of the tape
recording that had been made of Marina N. Oswald, that she had been
interviewed, in other words, by the United States Secret Service before
the FBI arrived at the location.
Mr. JENNER. You mean that the Secret Service did not want the FBI to
know that they had taped an interview with Marina?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. What was his response?