Mr. JENNER. Mr. Oswald, if you could, if it is the result of Lee having
told you, would you please state it in those terms rather than that you
understood, because your understanding may be based on hearsay that is
not the fact.
Mr. OSWALD. Lee in our conversation told me that he went to Mr.
Gregory's office on the first occasion to meet Mr. Gregory.
Mr. JENNER. And that would be before this last week in June when Mr.
Gregory visited your home?
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct, sir.
Mr. DULLES. What is Mr. Gregory's profession, do you happen to know?
Mr. OSWALD. He was a consultant geologist. On this first occasion that
Lee spent 1 or 2 hours talking with Mr. Gregory, and at the end of this
occasion, Mr. Gregory gave Lee a letter to the effect, which I did
read----
Mr. JENNER. Did your brother Lee exhibit this letter to you?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir, he did.
Mr. JENNER. Have you seen the letter from the time that you read it to
the present time?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir, I have not.
Mr. JENNER. And as far as you know the letter doesn't exist. You don't
know whether it exists?
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct, sir.
Mr. JENNER. Would you please recite the content of it as you now recall
it?
Mr. OSWALD. That it stated that Lee Harvey Oswald was competent to
speak and write the Russian language fluently. That is my general
remembrance of this letter.
Mr. JENNER. Was it signed? Did it have a signature?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir, it did.
Mr. JENNER. Was it on a letterhead?
Mr. OSWALD. I believe it was, sir.
Mr. DULLES. Was Mr. Gregory a Russian by origin as far as you know?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir, he was.
Mr. JENNER. Did your brother tell you that?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir, he did.
Mr. DULLES. Was he a naturalized American, or don't you know?
Mr. OSWALD. This I do not know, sir. But during this conversation, he
told me about Mr. Gregory to the extent that he had come from Russia
approximately----
Mr. DULLES. This is your brother now?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir, talking to me. Approximately 40 years prior to
that time.
Mr. JENNER. So he had been in this country for approximately 40 years?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. It was not long after that conversation in which your
brother Lee reported these things to you that Mr. Gregory visited at
your home the last week in June of 1962, is that correct?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir, approximately the last week in June 1962.
Mr. DULLES. Did your brother tell you where he had gotten to know Mr.
Gregory?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir, he had.
Mr. JENNER. Would you please relate that?
Mr. OSWALD. Through the lady at the Texas employment agency.
Mr. JENNER. He had gone to the Texas employment agency and had an
interview with that lady?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. In charge of the agency?
Mr. OSWALD. One of the personnel working within the agency.
Mr. JENNER. Did your brother say to you that she had suggested Mr.
Gregory as a possible source?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. With regard to employment?
Mr. OSWALD. That she had volunteered to call Mr. Gregory on his behalf
to set up an appointment where Lee could go by and see him and talk
with him in relation to employment.
Mr. JENNER. Did your brother indicate that that was his first
acquaintance or knowledge of the fact that a person named Peter Gregory
existed?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; he did.
Mr. JENNER. And he said that to you affirmatively?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. In the course of that conversation, did your brother
report to you any recommendations by the lady in charge of the agency
with respect to his contacting any other persons who were of Russian
derivation or who could or might speak Russian and be of possible
assistance to your brother in obtaining employment?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir, he did not.
Mr. JENNER. The conversation was confined to a Mr. Peter Gregory?
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct, sir.
Mr. JENNER. And have you now given us all you can recall as to that
conversation?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir, I have.
Mr. JENNER. And Mr. Gregory visited your home the last week in June or
at least approximately then?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. He came alone to the best of your recollection?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. And it was a visit, intended as a visit with Lee and Marina
primarily?
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct, sir.
Mr. JENNER. You were present when he came to your home?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir, I was.
Mr. JENNER. Did he exhibit any acquaintance, prior acquaintance with
Lee or with Marina?
Mr. OSWALD. He certainly recognized Lee. He did not recognize Marina.
Mr. JENNER. Was he introduced to her?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, he was.
Mr. JENNER. On that occasion?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir, he was.
Mr. JENNER. In your presence?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. And it is your impression that he was not acquainted with
her prior to that time?
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct, sir.
Mr. JENNER. Or she with him?
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct, sir.
Mr. DULLES. Could I ask one question here. Do you know of any other
close friends of Lee's?
Mr. OSWALD. At that time, sir, I was not aware of any others.
Mr. DULLES. The Fords you met later, I believe, did you not?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir, that is correct.
Mr. DULLES. And are they Russian or is one of them Russian?
Mr. OSWALD. His wife is originally from Russia.
Mr. JENNER. How did you discover that, Mr. Oswald?
Mr. OSWALD. That Mrs. Ford was Russian?
Mr. JENNER. Yes.
Mr. OSWALD. I believe Marina told me.
Mr. JENNER. Representative Ford has asked that that subject be inquired
into also, sir.
Mr. DULLES. Won't you pursue it then if you wish, in whatever way?
Mr. JENNER. Would you relate to us to the best of your recollection the
names of Lee's friends or associates from his return to this country in
June 1962 up to and including November 22, 1963?
Mr. OSWALD. The only ones I was aware of, sir, other than members of
the family, was Mr. Peter Gregory and his son, Paul Gregory.
Mr. JENNER. May I stop you at that moment. You say his son Paul
Gregory. Did you come to meet Paul Gregory as well as Peter?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; I did.
Mr. JENNER. On some occasion subsequent to this last week in June of
'62?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; I did.
Mr. JENNER. Had you known that there was a Paul Gregory at the time
Peter Gregory visited your home in June of '62?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir. He might possibly have mentioned his son at that
time, but I do not recall that he did.
Mr. JENNER. You don't have any specific recollection of it?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I do not.
Mr. JENNER. When did you meet Paul Gregory?
Mr. OSWALD. Approximately 2 or 3 days later.
Mr. JENNER. Under what circumstances?
Mr. OSWALD. Mr. Peter Gregory and Mr. Paul Gregory both came to the
house.
Mr. JENNER. And this is the second occasion of Mr. Gregory being in
your home, to which you have already alluded?
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct, sir.
Mr. JENNER. And what was the purpose of their visit at your house on
that occasion?
Mr. OSWALD. To meet with Lee and Marina again, and to the best of
my remembrance, for his son, Paul Gregory, who was attending either
the University of Oklahoma or Oklahoma University, or Oklahoma State
University, at which he was studying the Russian language.
And I believe at this time he stated he was a junior at the university,
and that he wanted to be around others who spoke the Russian language,
besides his father, to improve his language, or his knowledge of the
Russian language.
Mr. JENNER. Was that stated in your presence?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir, it was.
Mr. JENNER. In this case, you now identified?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. By Paul Gregory?
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct.
Mr. JENNER. Did he attempt to converse, or converse with Lee, and/or
with Marina in Russian on that occasion?
Mr. OSWALD. He did with both.
Mr. JENNER. And on both occasions did Peter Gregory confer or talk with
Lee and Marina or either of them or both of them in Russian?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir, they did.
Mr. JENNER. Were you forewarned or did you have notice that the
Gregorys, Paul and Peter, were to visit you on the second occasion?
Mr. OSWALD. I do not recall, sir.
Mr. JENNER. Do you recall any conversation you had with your brother in
advance of that visit, or with Marina on that subject?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir, I do not recall any.
Mr. JENNER. Are those the only two occasions that you ever saw or
talked with Peter Gregory?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir, it was not.
Mr. JENNER. When subsequent to the second visit to your home, the first
time subsequent thereto, did you see or speak with Peter Gregory?
Mr. OSWALD. I spoke again with Mr. Peter Gregory on Sunday morning,
November 24, 1963.
Mr. JENNER. So it was an occasion subsequent to the death of President
Kennedy?
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct.
Mr. JENNER. Where did that take place?
Mr. OSWALD. At Howard Johnson's Restaurant on the turnpike between Fort
Worth and Dallas.
Mr. JENNER. How did that come about?
Mr. OSWALD. I was to meet Mr. Gregory and two Secret Service agents at
that establishment, to proceed with them from there to the Executive
Inn at Dallas, Tex.
Mr. JENNER. Who had arranged that rendezvous?
Mr. OSWALD. By mutual consent between myself and the Secret Service
agent, Mike Howard.
Mr. JENNER. Mr. Howard suggested it?
Mr. OSWALD. He suggested this as a point of rendezvous on our way to
Dallas.
Mr. DULLES. I believe this is described in your diary, is it not?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; it is.
Mr. JENNER. Did you see or speak with Peter Gregory--have you seen or
spoken with Peter Gregory at any time subsequent to this occasion?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; I have.
Mr. JENNER. Now, first--when was that? Is it recorded in your diary?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir, I do not believe it is in my diary.
Mr. JENNER. And when did that meeting take place? The one you now have
in mind.
Mr. OSWALD. On three or four occasions during the week of November 25,
1963.
Mr. JENNER. In what city or town?
Mr. OSWALD. At the Inn of the Six Flags, in Arlington, Tex.
Mr. JENNER. And was he visiting there?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; he was there voluntarily to act as an interpreter
between the United States Secret Service and Marina N. Oswald.
Mr. JENNER. I see.
Subsequent to that time, have you seen or spoken with Peter Gregory?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I have not.
Mr. JENNER. All right.
Now, you were seeking to report to us the friends and acquaintances of
your brother and your sister-in-law subsequent to their return to the
United States in June of 1962. Now, who next in addition to Paul and
Peter Gregory?
Mr. OSWALD. None, sir.
Mr. JENNER. None?
Mr. OSWALD. None.
Mr. JENNER. Were the Fords friends of your brother Lee and your
sister-in-law Marina?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. And you became acquainted with them, when for the first
time?
Mr. McKENZIE. Last Tuesday, a week ago this past Tuesday, on February
11, 1964.
Mr. JENNER. You were unacquainted with either of them prior to that
time?
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct.
Mr. JENNER. And you have already testified about the Paines. And you
can recall none other--no other persons?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir.
Mr. JENNER. Friend or acquaintance of either Marina or of your brother
Lee Harvey Oswald?
Mr. OSWALD. Other than the ones I have described.
Mr. JENNER. All right.
Mr. DULLES. Plus, of course, the Paines, whom you have already
discussed, and others you may have discussed.
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. Did you have any knowledge of your brother Lee's defection
or alleged defection other than that which you read in the newspapers?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I had not.
Mr. JENNER. And other--other than there might be a reference to that
subject in the correspondence you have produced for us?
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct.
Mr. JENNER. Do you have any possible reason to believe that your
brother Lee Harvey Oswald knew Jack Ruby, or Jack Rubinstein, alias
Jack Ruby?
Mr. OSWALD. Sir, are you asking for my opinion?
Mr. JENNER. I am asking if you have any knowledge first--anything upon
which you can base an opinion.
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir, I do not.
Mr. JENNER. That he did or might have had an acquaintance with Jack
Ruby, or Jack Rubinstein?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I do not.
Mr. JENNER. I will ask you the same question as to Officer Tippit.
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir. I do not.
Mr. DULLES. With regard to Jack Ruby, you hesitated a moment.
Do you have anything else in your mind about that that you wanted to
add or could add?
Mr. OSWALD. I just misinterpreted his question as to whether or not he
wanted my opinion, rather than any facts that I might have.
Mr. DULLES. Well, let's ask for your opinion now.
Mr. JENNER. Now, we will go to your opinion.
Do you have an opinion?
Mr. OSWALD. Based on the newspaper articles that appeared during the
week of November 25, 1963, at which time two reported employees of
Mr. Jack Ruby, a man and a woman, stated to newspaper reporters that
they had seen Lee Harvey Oswald in Mr. Ruby's establishment, known as
the Carousel Club, and also on one occasion either or both of these
reported witnesses stated that they had seen Mr. Ruby speaking to Lee
Harvey Oswald.
Mr. JENNER. And it is on the basis of that newspaper report and only
that that you voice this opinion?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir.
I might further elaborate on my opinion that at various times through
various magazine articles and television programs, indicating the route
taken supposedly by my brother Lee from the place of his boarding
house, or apartment, and prior to his capture, was in a direct or
approximately a direct line to Mr. Ruby's apartment.
Mr. JENNER. Are you acquainted with the decision which your
sister-in-law, Marina, reached not to reside with your mother?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; I most certainly am.
Mr. JENNER. And did you take part in that decision, or were you present
during the course of any event that resulted in her ultimate decision?
Mr. OSWALD. I would say that that decision, sir, was 90 percent my
decision, and only 10 percent Marina N. Oswald's decision.
Mr. JENNER. All right.
Now, as to that event, would you please tell us the course it took,
your participation in it, where it occurred, and as much as you now
recall about it?