Mr. OSWALD. That a picture that an FBI man----

Mr. JENNER. On the Saturday night, November 23, 1963.

Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir, that the FBI man exhibited a picture, and mother

said that she recognized from the newspaper to be Mr. Jack Ruby.

Mr. JENNER. Did any of the gentlemen present say anything when your

mother made that statement?

Mr. OSWALD. I believe they did, sir.

Mr. JENNER. All right. Give us your best recollection of what was said,

and if you can identify the person, do so, but in any event tell us

what was said, if you can identify them only by stating he was a police

officer or a Secret Service man or an FBI agent, then do that.

Mr. OSWALD. I believe Mr. Mike Howard of the United States Secret

Service looked at the picture in the newspaper and said something to

mother in the line or in the nature of "Are you sure" and so forth like

that. It was very brief, and she was saying that she was positive.

Mr. JENNER. She responded that she was certain of it?

Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir, that she was certain that the photograph shown to

her on Saturday night, November 23, 1963, was the man in the picture

being identified as Mr. Jack Ruby, the killer of my brother, Lee Harvey

Oswald.

Mr. DULLES. Did she say anything about what the officer who had shown

her this photograph had said to her, or explained why he was showing

that picture?

Mr. OSWALD. I believe, sir, she did indicate that they wanted to show

it to Marina for identification, and mother explained to him that she

was in the shower and was fixing to go to bed, and they were very tired.

Mr. JENNER. Now would you give us please your opinion and judgment as

to the stability of your mother?

Mr. OSWALD. Prior to November 22, 1963----correction, prior to November

24, 1963, I believed her to be a stable average person. However,

during the week of November 24, including the date of November 24,

1963, through Friday of that week, which was November 29, 1963, due to

the happenings and the events that had ensued from the November 22d

afternoon through Sunday of November 23d, it is my opinion that at

first that her reactions were quite normal, and to be expected.

However, it is my opinion during the latter part of that week, from

approximately Wednesday, November 27, 1963, that her reactions to other

matters related to the events of November 22 and November 24, 1963,

were abnormal reactions.

Mr. JENNER. Did those normal or abnormal reactions continue to the best

of your knowledge thereafter?

Mr. OSWALD. Since I have not seen her, sir, since Friday November 29,

1963, I have talked with her on telephone calls only, I have no opinion

on that at this time.

Mr. JENNER. One way or the other?

Mr. OSWALD. One way or the other.

Mr. JENNER. Whether continued or not continued?

Mr. OSWALD. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. You have testified that you thought you had an influence on

Lee's joining the Marines. That is an influence of an example rather

than a direct influence, that is any direct contact by you suggesting

that if he entered the service he should enter the Marines?

Mr. OSWALD. That would be correct, sir. It would be as an example.

Mr. JENNER. You mentioned a Mr. Gregory having visited at your home.

Will you identify him, please?

Mr. OSWALD. I believe his given name, sir, is Mr. Peter Gregory, but I

am confused a little bit about his son. His son's name is Paul Gregory,

or vice versa.

Mr. JENNER. It is Peter.

Mr. OSWALD. Thank you. Mr. Peter Gregory came to my residence in Fort

Worth, Tex. on 7313 Davenport Street.

Mr. JENNER. Approximately when, please?

Mr. OSWALD. Two occasions, the first occasion being approximately the

last week in June, 1962.

Mr. JENNER. What was that occasion?

Mr. OSWALD. He had come over to see Lee and meet Marina and talk with

them in his native Russian language.

Mr. JENNER. Was he accompanied by anyone?

Mr. OSWALD. Not on this first occasion, sir, if my memory serves me

correctly. I believe he was by himself.

Mr. JENNER. Was anything said in your presence that you understood,

having in mind that he spoke Russian at least in part of that occasion,

as to how he became aware that Lee and Marina were residing with you

temporarily?

Mr. OSWALD. We were expecting Mr. Gregory to come by that night. The

preceding 2 or 3 days, I understood from Lee, that when he inquired at

one of the bureaus of the Texas employment agencies in Fort Worth, that

someone that he had talked to about a job had set up an appointment

with Lee to go see Mr. Gregory, since Lee could speak Russian and write

the Russian language, they thought perhaps Mr. Gregory might know of

some contact that he could place Lee with, where Lee might obtain a job

speaking and writing the Russian language. I understood from Lee----

Mr. JENNER. That is the result of discussions in your presence in your

home?

Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; that is correct.

Mr. JENNER. By Lee and Marina?

Mr. OSWALD. By Lee to me.

Mr. JENNER. Lee to you?

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