Mr. JENNER. On the Saturday night, November 23, 1963.
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir, that the FBI man exhibited a picture, and mother
said that she recognized from the newspaper to be Mr. Jack Ruby.
Mr. JENNER. Did any of the gentlemen present say anything when your
mother made that statement?
Mr. OSWALD. I believe they did, sir.
Mr. JENNER. All right. Give us your best recollection of what was said,
and if you can identify the person, do so, but in any event tell us
what was said, if you can identify them only by stating he was a police
officer or a Secret Service man or an FBI agent, then do that.
Mr. OSWALD. I believe Mr. Mike Howard of the United States Secret
Service looked at the picture in the newspaper and said something to
mother in the line or in the nature of "Are you sure" and so forth like
that. It was very brief, and she was saying that she was positive.
Mr. JENNER. She responded that she was certain of it?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir, that she was certain that the photograph shown to
her on Saturday night, November 23, 1963, was the man in the picture
being identified as Mr. Jack Ruby, the killer of my brother, Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Mr. DULLES. Did she say anything about what the officer who had shown
her this photograph had said to her, or explained why he was showing
that picture?
Mr. OSWALD. I believe, sir, she did indicate that they wanted to show
it to Marina for identification, and mother explained to him that she
was in the shower and was fixing to go to bed, and they were very tired.
Mr. JENNER. Now would you give us please your opinion and judgment as
to the stability of your mother?
Mr. OSWALD. Prior to November 22, 1963----correction, prior to November
24, 1963, I believed her to be a stable average person. However,
during the week of November 24, including the date of November 24,
1963, through Friday of that week, which was November 29, 1963, due to
the happenings and the events that had ensued from the November 22d
afternoon through Sunday of November 23d, it is my opinion that at
first that her reactions were quite normal, and to be expected.
However, it is my opinion during the latter part of that week, from
approximately Wednesday, November 27, 1963, that her reactions to other
matters related to the events of November 22 and November 24, 1963,
were abnormal reactions.
Mr. JENNER. Did those normal or abnormal reactions continue to the best
of your knowledge thereafter?
Mr. OSWALD. Since I have not seen her, sir, since Friday November 29,
1963, I have talked with her on telephone calls only, I have no opinion
on that at this time.
Mr. JENNER. One way or the other?
Mr. OSWALD. One way or the other.
Mr. JENNER. Whether continued or not continued?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. You have testified that you thought you had an influence on
Lee's joining the Marines. That is an influence of an example rather
than a direct influence, that is any direct contact by you suggesting
that if he entered the service he should enter the Marines?
Mr. OSWALD. That would be correct, sir. It would be as an example.
Mr. JENNER. You mentioned a Mr. Gregory having visited at your home.
Will you identify him, please?
Mr. OSWALD. I believe his given name, sir, is Mr. Peter Gregory, but I
am confused a little bit about his son. His son's name is Paul Gregory,
or vice versa.
Mr. JENNER. It is Peter.
Mr. OSWALD. Thank you. Mr. Peter Gregory came to my residence in Fort
Worth, Tex. on 7313 Davenport Street.
Mr. JENNER. Approximately when, please?
Mr. OSWALD. Two occasions, the first occasion being approximately the
last week in June, 1962.
Mr. JENNER. What was that occasion?
Mr. OSWALD. He had come over to see Lee and meet Marina and talk with
them in his native Russian language.
Mr. JENNER. Was he accompanied by anyone?
Mr. OSWALD. Not on this first occasion, sir, if my memory serves me
correctly. I believe he was by himself.
Mr. JENNER. Was anything said in your presence that you understood,
having in mind that he spoke Russian at least in part of that occasion,
as to how he became aware that Lee and Marina were residing with you
temporarily?
Mr. OSWALD. We were expecting Mr. Gregory to come by that night. The
preceding 2 or 3 days, I understood from Lee, that when he inquired at
one of the bureaus of the Texas employment agencies in Fort Worth, that
someone that he had talked to about a job had set up an appointment
with Lee to go see Mr. Gregory, since Lee could speak Russian and write
the Russian language, they thought perhaps Mr. Gregory might know of
some contact that he could place Lee with, where Lee might obtain a job
speaking and writing the Russian language. I understood from Lee----
Mr. JENNER. That is the result of discussions in your presence in your
home?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; that is correct.
Mr. JENNER. By Lee and Marina?
Mr. OSWALD. By Lee to me.
Mr. JENNER. Lee to you?