Mr. JENNER. And where was that remark made?
Mr. OSWALD. At Love Field, as they came through the gate.
Mr. JENNER. Did he make any remarks on that subject as you drove into
town?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; he did not.
Mr. JENNER. Did he make any other comments that arrested your attention
when he arrived at Love Field or while you were driving into town?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; he did. In reference to newspaper reporters
again, or photographers, he asked me if I had been receiving calls and
so forth, and I told him I had received two or three calls, but I said
nothing, and they were not aware of his schedule of arrival in the
United States, and they were not aware at that time, to my knowledge,
that he had arrived at Love Field, and that he was going to be at my
home.
Mr. JENNER. Having in mind the changes in physical appearance, and also
the course of events since the day of his arrival at Love Field to the
present time, have you formed an opinion, Mr. Oswald, as to whether
your brother may have undergone some treatment of some kind in Russia
that affected his mind?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir. Since Lee's death on November 24th, I have formed
an opinion in that respect.
Mr. JENNER. What is that opinion?
Mr. OSWALD. That, perhaps in sheer speculation on my part--that due to
the nature of the change in his hair, in the baldness that appeared,
I reached the opinion that perhaps something in the nature of shock
treatments or something along that line had been given him in Russia.
Mr. JENNER. You base this opinion on any factors other than or in
addition to this change of physical appearance that you noted on his
return from Russia?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I do not.
Mr. JENNER. Has the course of events affected the opinion you have now
expressed?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; since the course of events, since Friday,
November 22, 1963, his death following on the 24th of November 1963,
I have searched my own mind for possible reasons of why or how this
all came about. That has been one of my opinions--in reference to his
hair structure and so forth, and his baldness--pardon me just a minute,
please.
Mr. JENNER. Have you concluded your answer?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, thank you.
Mr. JENNER. Has this course of events and your brother's physical
appearance and any other factors you had in mind led you to form an
opinion as to whether he was or had been an agent of the government of
the USSR?
Mr. McKENZIE. You are asking him, Mr. Jenner, to speculate.
Mr. JENNER. I am.
Mr. OSWALD. May I have that again, please?
Mr. McKENZIE. His question was--this is off the record.
(Discussion off the record.)
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir.
Mr. McKENZIE. Mr. Jenner, may I ask a question at this time?
Robert, at any time after your brother returned from Russia, or at any
time after he went to Russia, did he ever remark to you as to whether
or not he had been ill while in Russia?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; he did not.
Mr. McKENZIE. Has his wife, Marina Oswald, ever said anything to you
about whether or not he was ill while he resided in Russia?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; she has.
Mr. McKENZIE. And what did she say?
Mr. JENNER. Could you fix the time, please?
Mr. OSWALD. My conversation with Marina Oswald?
Mr. JENNER. Yes.
Mr. OSWALD. Approximately 4 weeks ago, in one of our conversations.
Mr. JENNER. And where did that take place?
Mr. OSWALD. I believe in my car on the way to the cemetery, or
returning from the cemetery, to Mr. Martin's house, in Dallas, Tex.
Mr. JENNER. Anyone other than Marina and yourself present?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir.
Mr. JENNER. All right. State the conversation.
Mr. OSWALD. If I may fix the date more accurately here, sir; if I could
possibly refer to my diary.
I recall this conversation on January 13, 1964, between Marina Oswald
and myself in my car, at which time she stated to me----
Mr. JENNER. Excuse me, sir, to what are you now referring to refresh
your recollection?
Mr. OSWALD. This would be to a followup of the conversation we had in
reference to----
Mr. JENNER. Excuse me--the document.
Mr. OSWALD. I am referring to my notebook that I have been keeping in
various events that have occurred since November 22, 1963.
Mr. JENNER. For the purpose of the record, would you read the first
three words and the last three words of the page to which you are
making reference?