ON SCIENCE.

FIRST EUCLIDES, AND TERPSION,

THEN SOCRATES, THEODORUS, AND THEÆTETUS.

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_Euc._ Are you just now, Terpsion, or long since come from the country?

_Ter._ A considerable time since, and I have been seeking for you in the

forum, and wondered that I could not find you.

_Euc._ I was not in the city.

_Ter._ Where then?

_Euc._ As I was going down to the port, I met with Theætetus, who was

being carried from the camp at Corinth to Athens.

_Ter._ Alive or dead?

_Euc._ Alive, though scarcely so; for he is in a bad state from several

wounds, though he suffers more from the disease that is prevalent in the

army.

_Ter._ Is it dysentery?

_Euc._ Yes.

_Ter._ What a man you speak of as being in danger!

_Euc._ An honourable and good man, Terpsion, and I just now heard some

persons highly extolling his conduct in the battle.

_Ter._ Nor is that surprising, but it would be much more wonderful if he

had not behaved so. But why did he not stop here at Megara?

_Euc._ He was hastening home; although I begged and advised him, yet he

would not. And after I had attended him on his journey, on my return

hither I recollected, and was filled with admiration of Socrates, who

often spoke prophetically about other things, and especially about him.

2. For if I remember rightly, a little before his death, he met with

Theætetus who was then a youth, and being in company and discoursing

with him, he very much admired his natural disposition. And when I went

to Athens, he related to me the conversation he had had with him, which

was very well worth hearing, and he said that he must necessarily

distinguish himself, if he lived to a mature age.

_Ter._ And he spoke truly as it seems. But what was the conversation?

are you able to relate it?

_Euc._ No, by Jupiter, not by heart; but as soon as I returned home, I

made notes of it, and afterwards at my leisure calling it to mind I

wrote it down, and as often as I came to Athens, I asked Socrates to

repeat what I did not remember, and, on my return hither, corrected it;

so that I have nearly the whole conversation written out.

3. _Ter._ True: I have heard you say so before, and though I always

meant to beg you to shew it me, I have hitherto delayed doing so. But

what should hinder us from now going through it? For I am in great need

of rest, having just come from the country.

_Euc._ I too accompanied Theætetus as far as Erinion, so that I should

not be at all sorry to rest myself. Let us go, then, and while we rest

the boy shall read to us.

_Ter._ You say well.

_Euc._ This then is the book, Terpsion. But I wrote the conversation

thus, not as if Socrates related it to me, as he did, but as if he was

conversing with the persons with whom he said he did converse. But

these, he said, were Theodorus the geometrician, and Theætetus. 4. In

order, then, that phrases interposed in the discourse might not give us

trouble in the writing, when Socrates spoke of himself, as “I said,” or

“Thereupon I replied,” and again when he spoke of the person who gave

the answer, “He assented,” or “He denied,” for this reason I have

introduced Socrates himself as conversing with them, and have done away

with all such expressions.

_Ter._ And that is not at all improper, Euclides.

_Euc._ Here then, boy, take the book and read.

_Socr._ If I took more interest in the people at Cyrene, Theodorus, I

should enquire of you what is going on there, and of the people, whether

there are any young men there who devote their attention to geometry, or

any other liberal study. But now, for I love them less than these, I am

more anxious to know who of our young men promise to become eminent. For

I myself examine into this as far as I am able, and enquire of others,

with whom I see the young men willingly associating. But no small number

attach themselves to you, and justly; for you deserve it, both in other

respects, and on account of your geometry. If, therefore, you have met

with any one worth mentioning, I should be glad to be informed of it.

5. _Theo._ And indeed, Socrates, it is very well worth while both for me

to tell and you to hear, what a youth I have met with among your

fellow-citizens. And if he were beautiful, I should be very much afraid

to mention him, lest I should appear to any one to be enamoured with

him; but now, and don’t be angry with me, he is not handsome, for he

resembles you in the flatness of his nose and the prominence of his

eyes: but he has these in a less degree than you. You see I speak

without reserve. Be assured then, that of all I ever met with, and I

have been in company with very many, I never yet knew one of such an

admirable disposition. For a man to be apt to learn, as it is at all

times difficult, and at the same time remarkably mild, and added to this

brave beyond compare, I, for my part, thought could never happen, nor do

I see any who are so. But those who are acute, as this one, sagacious,

and of a good memory, are for the most part easily roused to anger, and

are hurried violently along like ships without ballast, and are

naturally rather furious than brave; on the other hand those who are

more sedate commonly set about their studies more sluggishly and are

forgetful. 6. But he so calmly, steadily, and effectually applies

himself to his studies and investigations, with so much gentleness, like

oil flowing noiselessly, that one wonders how one at his age can manage

to do this.

_Socr._ You bring good news. But whose son is he of our citizens?

_Theo._ I have heard the name, but do not remember it. However he is the

middle one of those who are now approaching. For both he and these who

are some of his companions were just now anointing themselves in the

outer course; and now they appear to me to be coming here after having

anointed themselves. Observe, however, if you know him.

_Socr._ I do know him. He is the son of Euphronius of Sunium, who, my

friend, was just such a man as you describe the son to be, and who was

otherwise a person of consideration, and besides left behind him a very

large fortune.

7. _Theo._ Theætetus is his name, Socrates. But I think his guardians

have squandered his fortune. However notwithstanding this, he is

wonderfully liberal with his money, Socrates.

_Socr._ You describe a noble man. Bid him come here, and sit down by us.

_Theo._ I will. Theætetus, come hither to Socrates.

_Socr._ By all means come, Theætetus, that I may look at myself, and see

what sort of a face I have. For Theodorus says I am like you. But if we

had each of us a lyre, and he should say that they were modulated alike,

should we believe him at once, or consider first whether he speaks as a

musician?

_Theæ._ We should consider that first.

_Socr._ Should we not, then, on finding that he was so, believe him,

but, if he was ignorant of music, disbelieve him?

_Theæ._ True.

_Socr._ Now, then, I think, if we care at all about the resemblance of

our faces, we should consider whether he speaks as a painter, or not.

_Theæ._ It appears so to me.

_Socr._ Is Theodorus a painter then?

_Theæ._ Not that I know of.

_Socr._ And is he not a geometrician either?

_Theæ._ Most assuredly he is, Socrates.

8. _Socr._ Is he also an astronomer, a reasoner, and a musician, and

acquainted with all such things as are requisite for a good education?

_Theæ._ He appears so to me.

_Socr._ If, then, he says that we resemble each other in some part of

our body, praising or blaming it, it is not very well worth while to pay

any attention to him.

_Theæ._ Perhaps not.

_Socr._ But what if he should praise the soul of either of us for virtue

or wisdom? would it not be worth while for the one who heard him to take

pains to examine him that was praised, and for the latter to discover

himself willingly?

_Theæ._ Certainly, Socrates.

_Socr._ It is time then, my dear Theætetus, for you to discover

yourself, and for me to examine you; for be assured that Theodorus,

though he has ere now praised many both strangers and citizens to me,

has never praised any one so much as he praised you just now.

_Theæ._ May it be well, Socrates; but beware that he did not speak in

jest.

_Socr._ That is not Theodorus’s habit. But do not retract what you have

granted, under the pretence that he spoke in jest, lest he should be

compelled to bear witness. For no one assuredly will accuse him of

giving false evidence. Therefore adhere firmly to your agreement.

_Theæ._ It is proper to do so, if you think fit.

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