My eminent colleague, whose presence is an honor to this Congress,

Professor ADAMS, thinks that I overlook too much the practical side of

the question; namely, how a prime meridian can be established so as to

cause the least inconvenience. He says that I pay too much attention

to what he calls a question of sentiment, and he concludes by

expressing the hope that all nations will lay aside their national

pride and only be guided by this consideration: What meridian offers

the greatest practical advantages? My reply is that I intend no more

than Professor ADAMS to place the question upon the ground of national

pride; but it is one thing to speak in the name of national pride and

another to foresee that this sentiment common to all men, may show

itself, and that we should avoid conclusions likely to arouse it, or

we may compromise our success. That is all our argument; and the

history of the great nation to which Professor ADAMS belongs furnishes

us with examples of considerable significance, for the French meridian

of Ferro was never adopted by the English, notwithstanding its happy

geographical situation, and we all still awaiting the honor of seeing

the adoption of the metrical system for common use in England.

But let us put aside these questions which I would not have been the

first to touch upon, and place ourselves upon the true ground of the

importance of the proposed reform, which is the only one worthy of

ourselves or of this discussion. We do not refuse to enter into an

agreement on account of a mere question, of national pride, and the

statement of the changes and expenses to which we should have to

submit in order to accomplish the agreement is a sufficient proof of

this.

But we consider that a reform which consists in giving to a

geographical question one of the worst solutions possible, simply on

the ground of practical convenience, that is to say, the advantage to

yourselves and those you represent, of having nothing to change,

either in your maps, customs, or traditions--such a solution, I say,

can have no future before it, and we refuse to take part in it.

Prof. ABBE, Delegate of the United States, stated that the Delegate of

France, Mr. JANSSEN, had made a very important proposition to the

Conference: That the meridian adopted should be a neutral one. He said

that he had endeavored to determine what a neutral meridian is. On

what principle shall the Conference fix upon a neutral meridian, and

what is a neutral meridian? Shall it be historical, geographical,

scientific, or arithmetical? In what way shall it be fixed upon? He

looked back a little into the history of an important system adopted

some years ago. France determined to give us a neutral system of

weights and measures, and the world now thanks her for it. She

determined that the base of this neutral system should be the

ten-millionth part of a quadrant of the meridian. She fixed it by

measurement, and to-day we use the metre as the standard in all

important scientific work; but is that metre part of a neutral

system? Is our metric system neutral? It was intended to be, but it is

not; we are using a French system. Had the English, or the Germans, or

the Americans taken the ten-millionth part of the quadrant of the

meridian, they would have arrived at a slightly different measure, and

there would have been an English, a German, and an American measure.

We are using the French metric system. It was intended to be a neutral

system, but it is a French system. We adopt it because it deserves our

admiration, but it is not a neutral system. The various nations of the

world might meet and agree upon some slight modification of this

metric system which would agree with the results of all scientific

investigations, and thus make it international instead of French; but

we do not care to do that, and are willing to adopt one system, taking

the standard of Paris as our standard. How shall we determine a

neutral system of longitude? The expression "neutral system of

longitude" is a myth, a fancy, a piece of poetry, unless you can tell

precisely how to do it. He would vote for a neutral system if the

French representatives can tell the Conference clearly how to decide

that it is neutral, and satisfy them that it is not national in any

way.

Mr. JANSSEN, Delegate of France, said:

I perfectly understand the objection of my honorable colleague, Prof.

ABBE. He asks what is a neutral meridian, and adds that the metre

itself does not appear to him to be a neutral measure, but to be a

French measure. He relies upon the consideration that if the English,

the Americans, and Germans, in adopting a definition of the metre, had

measured it for themselves, they would have arrived each at a slightly

different result, which would have given us an English, American, and

German metre; nevertheless, he adds, we use the French metre, because

we find it so admirable.

I would answer, first, that the metre, as far as the measure is

derived from the dimensions of the earth, is not French, and it was

precisely to take away this character of nationality that those who

fixed on the metre sought to establish it on the dimensions of the

earth itself. What is French is the particular metre of our national

archives, which exhibits a very slight difference from that which our

actual geodesy would have given us. Also, I think that if, at the time

of the adoption of the Convention du Mêtre, in which the nations of

Europe participated, we had slightly changed the length of our

standard to make it agree with the result of actual geodetic

measurements, we should have done an excellent thing in depriving this

measure of any shadow of nationality. I agree with my honorable

colleague that if a few slight changes adopted by common accord could

perfect the metrical system, we French ought to have no motive for

opposing it. We have the honor of having invented a system of measures

which, being based upon considerations of a purely scientific nature,

has been accepted by all. Therefore if it can be said with truth that

the metre of the Archives of Paris is French, (not intentionally, but

because it bears the mark of an error of French origin,) it is an

international metre, by the same title that the discovery of the

satellites of Mars made by my friend, Prof. Asaph Hall, whom I have

the pleasure of seeing here, is scientific and of a universal nature.

The metre--equal to the ten-millionth part of the distance from the

equator to the pole--is no more French than that distance itself, and,

nevertheless, if the Americans, English, or Germans had measured it,

they would each have arrived at a slightly different metre.

Now, my honorable colleague adds that a neutral meridian appears to

him a myth, a fancy, a piece of poetry, so long as we have not exactly

settled the method of determining it. I shall disregard the

expressions which my honorable colleague has thus introduced into the

discussion, because this discussion should be serious. It is plain

that Prof. ABBE did not thoroughly apprehend the explanations which I

gave of the proper methods of fixing the initial meridian, and of the

conditions which make a meridian neutral; but I return to them, since

I am invited to do so. Our meridian will be neutral if, in place of

taking one of those which are fixed by the existing great

observatories, to which, consequently, the name of a nation is

attached, and which by long usage is identified with that nation, we

choose a meridian based only upon geographical considerations, and

upon the uses for which we propose to adopt it.

Do you want a striking example of what differentiates a neutral

meridian from a national meridian? In order to avoid the confusion

which existed in geography at the beginning of the seventeenth

century, on account of the multiplicity of initial meridians then in

use, a congress of learned men, assembled in Paris at the instance of

Richelieu to select a new common meridian, fixed its choice on the

most eastern point of the Island of Ferro. This was a purely

geographical meridian, being attached to no capital, to no national

observatory, and consequently neutral, or, if you please, purely

geographical. Later, Le père Feuillet, sent in 1724 by the Academy of

Sciences to determine the exact longitude of the initial point, having

given the figure 19° 55' 3" west of Paris, the geographer, Delisle,

for the sake of simplicity, adopted the round number 20°; and, as I

stated a little while ago, this alteration completely changed the

character of this prime meridian. It ceased to be neutral, and became

merely the meridian of Paris disguised, as has been truly said, and

the English, notably, never adopted it. Here is the difference,

gentlemen, between a neutral meridian and a national meridian.

And, parenthetically, you see, gentlemen, how dangerous it is to

awaken national susceptibilities on a subject of a purely scientific

nature. Now allow me to add that, if in 1633 it was possible to find a

neutral meridian, a purely geographical meridian, an independent

meridian, it may easily be done in 1884 if we wish to do so; and that

a point chosen on purely geographical considerations, either in

Behring's Strait or in the Azores, could be much better determined now

than was possible to Father Feuillet in 1724, and could take the

position which the meridian of Ferro would not have lost had it not

been confounded with the meridian of Paris.

Professor J. C. ADAMS, Delegate of Great Britain, stated that he

merely desired to refer to one subject touched on by the Delegate of

France, Mr. JANSSEN, whose opinion he thought could hardly be

supported, and that was that the question of longitude was purely one

of geography. He desired to controvert that, and to hold that the

question of longitude was purely one of astronomical observation. The

difference of longitude between two places could not be determined by

geodetic observations, because to do this you must take hypothesis as

to the figure of the earth, and the figure of the earth is not a

simple figure. You may take as hypothesis that the figure of the earth

is spheroidal, and that the ratio of the axes is exactly defined. Now,

in the first place, we are not agreed as to the exact ratio of the

axes, nor are we agreed as to the exact figure of the earth. If an

attempt is made to measure the difference of longitude between two

points on the earth's surface, especially when they are a considerable

distance from each other, it is necessary to depend upon astronomical

observations. In attempting to deduce the difference of longitude from

geodetic measures, you must assume that the true figure and dimensions

of the earth are known, which is far from being the case. The theory

that the prime meridian is a matter purely of a geographical nature is

liable to the fatal objection that the determination of the difference

of longitude between one place and the other is really the

determination of the difference of time of the passage of a star

across the meridian of the two places concerned. That is very

definite. You observe the transit of the star at one place, and you

observe the transit of the star at the other place, and by means of

telegraphic communications you are able to determine their difference

of longitude independent of the figure of the earth. He said, in

conclusion, that he thought the honorable Delegate of France was

mistaken upon the main point which he had just referred to, if,

indeed, he had rightly understood him.

M. JANSSEN, Delegate of France, replied as follows:

I think that M. ADAMS entirely misunderstands me. I agree with him

absolutely in thinking that longitudes cannot be determined,

especially of places far apart, except by astronomical methods.

Geodesy can only furnish it for short distances; in such cases, it is

true, it supplies it with a degree of accuracy which meridianal

observations cannot attain. So, if the question be to determine

rigorously the difference of longitude in time between two places on

the earth at considerable distances apart, it becomes one of

astronomy, because here it is astronomy which gives the quickest and

most accurate solution. For these reasons if, for instance, we should

wish to connect a given observatory with a point situated on the other

side of the ocean which had been chosen as the starting point of

longitudes, it would become a question of astronomy. Astronomy here is

an admirable instrument for the solution, but it should only be the

instrument.

On the contrary, the question becomes geographical, if it be that of

determining where it will be most convenient to fix the origin of

terrestrial longitudes. If the question be, for instance, to select

one or another point, in some one or other ocean, astronomy has

nothing to do with it, and when it wishes to impose upon us one of its

observatories to fulfil such a function it tends to give an inaccurate

solution.

At first sight it may seem that any point might become a starting

point for terrestial longitudes, but when we study the question a

little more we see there may be great advantages in choosing some one

point in preference to some other. Hence it is that all geographers

have agreed to place initial meridians, when possible, in the oceans.

The PRESIDENT stated that, in accordance with the decision of the

Conference, he had sent to the scientists named by them invitations to

a seat upon this floor. The Chair sees several of these gentlemen here

to-day, notably one of the most eminent astronomers of this country,

to whom his countrymen are always ready to do homage, Professor

Newcomb, Superintendent of the United States Nautical Almanac. If it

be the pleasure of the Congress, the Chair will now request Professor

Newcomb to give us his views upon the resolution now under discussion.

No objection being made to the proposition of the President, Professor

NEWCOMB arose and said:

That in reference to the remarks of the distinguished Delegate of

France, Professor JANSSEN, he would prefer, if the Conference would

consent, to study his arguments more carefully when they should be in

print.

He remarked that some points raised by that argument have been already

replied to, and he wished now more particularly to request that

Professor JANSSEN would define precisely what he meant by "a neutral

meridian;" that he had partially answered this question in reply to

Professor ABEÉ; but that there was a more fundamental point, one of

practice, which must be brought in and kept in mind at every step, and

which was raised by Commander SAMPSON'S paper, to which he had

listened with great interest. Commander SAMPSON held that it would be

necessary to have a fixed observatory on the chosen prime meridian,

but he (Professor NEWCOMB) did not concur in that view, but rather

agreed to a limited extent with what Professor JANSSEN had said on

that question.

In choosing a meridian from which to count longitude, you meet a

difficult problem. You have a point on the globe defined as the first

meridian. This would be taken as the initial point of departure, and

you are to determine the longitude of a certain place from that point.

Now, doubtless, there is no other way to do this than to have an

astronomical instrument and telegraphic communication. And if they

chose the Azores or Behring's Strait, in neither case could they mount

a transit instrument or have a system of telegraphic communication.

Nor could we make a determination of longitude from a single fixed

observatory in any case.

He then stated that it was impracticable under any circumstances to

have an absolutely neutral prime meridian; that the definition of the

prime meridian must practically depend upon subsidiary considerations,

no matter where it might be located. In the practical work of

determining longitudes a connection with the prime meridian cannot be

made in each case. What is really determined is the longitude from

some intermediate point, generally in the same country, and in

telegraphic communication with the place whose longitude we wish to

know. This intermediate point would, for the time, be the practical

prime meridian. But the longitude of this point itself must always be

uncertain. Science is continually advancing in accuracy, and we find

that we continually need to correct the longitude of our intermediate

meridian, and hence of all points determined from it. How can this

difficulty of constantly changing longitudes be avoided? He replied

that each system of connected longitudes must rest upon its own basis.

It must be referred to an assumed prime meridian, and the

measurements must be made from that, even if it be found to be

somewhat in error. If some such system had been adopted thirty or

forty years ago, we would have avoided the confusion arising from the

fact that the longitudes given on many maps do not refer at all to any

absolute meridian. All that is known is that the astronomers

determined the longitude of the place, and then the maps had to be

corrected accordingly. The longitude of one place would be determined

from Cambridge, and perhaps in the neighborhood is another place

determined from the observatory at Washington. In either case we know

nothing of the longitude of Cambridge or Washington which the observer

assumed in his calculations.

Generally, in determining longitude, the country adopts the principal

place within its confines as a subsidiary prime meridian, and the

assumed longitude of this place is necessarily selected somewhat

arbitrarily. The longitude, for instance, of Washington was, thirty

years ago, known to be nearly 5 hours 8 minutes and 12 seconds west

from Greenwich. Had we adopted this difference by law, it would have

amounted to choosing for our prime meridian a point 5 hours 8 minutes

and 12 seconds east of Washington, whether we happened to strike the

transit instrument at Greenwich or not. This would have fixed an

assumed longitude for the Cambridge observatory and for all points

within our telegraphic net-work. We should have had a practical

system, which might, however, require to be corrected from time to

time, if some slight error were found in the assumed longitude of

Washington.

In the present state of astronomical observation these little errors

are of no consequence except in some very refined astronomical

discussions. For all geographical and perhaps geodetical purposes the

error may be regarded as zero, and it may be said, in regard to

astronomical work, that it will always be independent of any meridian

that might be chosen.

But even if this difficulty were avoided, he could not see how they

could have any place which would come within the definition of a

neutral meridian. Supposing they took the Azores, they belong to

Portugal; then certainly they would have a Portuguese prime meridian,

belonging to the Portuguese nation. Thus they would no longer have a

neutral point, if he (Professor NEWCOMB) rightly understood the

meaning of Professor JANSSEN.

He said that the Delegate of Great Britain, Professor ADAMS, had

expressed very clearly his (Professor NEWCOMB'S) ideas, and the

difficulty we have in meeting the propositions of the French

Delegates; that what he had said would apply very properly to any

neutral meridian that might be chosen in accordance with the plans of

Professor JANSSEN. Whatever that meridian might be, we must always

assume for it a certain number of degrees from the capital of the

country, where the place to be determined is located, and then take

that imaginary meridian instead of a real point on the surface of the

globe.

It is true that this is perfectly practicable, and on that theory

there might not be any necessity of having an astronomical

observatory. But why we should go to this trouble and expense Mr.

JANSSEN did not make very clear; his considerations were purely

sentimental, as was remarked by the Delegate of Great Britain,

Professor ADAMS, and he (Prof. NEWCOMB) did not see what advantage

would be gained by a neutral meridian in preference to one fixed by

convenience.

In order that a discussion may proceed, it is necessary to agree on a

given basis from which to start, and it is extremely difficult to

agree upon a basis if there are considerations of sentiment

introduced, because such considerations are peculiar to each person.

He therefore wished to propose this question again to the Delegate of

France, namely, what advantages can we derive from fixing upon a

neutral meridian?

Mr. JANSSEN, Delegate of France, said:

Professor NEWCOMB asks me to point out the advantages of a neutral

meridian. These advantages are of two kinds--they are of a

geographical nature and a moral nature. Let us examine the first. By

placing the initial meridian between Asia and America, we get away

from the centres of population, which is almost indispensable in view

of the change of dates. We divide the world into two parts, the Old

World and the New. The advantage of drawing the prime meridian

through the ocean has always been understood, and it was precisely for

this reason that Marinus of Tyre, during the first century, placed it

at the Fortunate Isles, west of the African Continent. It is idle to

urge the difficulty of fixing such a meridian as an objection.

Astronomy is so far advanced in our day as to enable us to make this

calculation with all desirable accuracy.

As to the methods of obtaining this meridian exactly, there are

several. I have already spoken of them, but I return to the subject,

since more details are desired. These methods fall under two principal

heads. We can, and that is the ancient idea, choose some remarkable

physical point--as, for instance, the extremity of an island, a

strait, the summit of a mountain--and determine approximately the

distance in longitude of this point from the points of reference,

which are at present the observatories. This method, if all the

precision that science can now attain is required, would be costly in

certain cases. For the Azores the expense would be small, because of

the proximity of the telegraphic cables; it would be much greater for

Behring Straits. On the hypothesis of the employment of this method,

it would evidently be necessary to place our meridian at the Azores.

According to the other method, it is not the physical point which is

fixed, but simply the distance of the assumed origin from the points

of comparison. For example, admit that the general definition of our

prime meridian was that it should pass through the middle of Behring

Straits. To obtain its theoretical definition, we should obtain a

position of this point, either by summary observations of the nature

of hydrographic surveys, or by the aid of existing information, and

the longitude thus obtained would be connected with the observatories

best connected with each other. A list of the differences of longitude

would become the definition of our meridian, and not the physical

point in the sea which marks the exact middle of the strait. If, now,

we absolutely wished for a physical point, we have the Island of St.

Lawrence, which is cut towards its eastern part by such a meridian,

and we could put a point of reference there, subject to the condition

that the position of this point should conform to the definition, and

that it should be removed, in one direction or the other, until it did

conform to it. As to the very slight errors which might still affect

the relative positions of the great observatories actually connected

by electricity, they do not concern geography. If I am not mistaken,

the eminent Superintendent of the American Nautical Almanac

acknowledges that we could thus avoid the difficulties which might

result from the changes to which the perfecting of science would in

the course of time give rise in the statement of longitudes.

In this manner the expense would be nothing or small. Thus, also, the

meridian would be truly neutral, both by reason of its position in the

ocean between the continents, and by reason of its definition, since

the zero of longitude would then be so placed as to occupy a point not

identified with any nation. This illustration appears to me to answer

the demands of Professor NEWCOMB. I have taken it only for that

reason, for I maintain no particular method, but only the principle of

neutrality.

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