Mr. LEFAIVRE, Delegate of France, said that he did not not know if his

observation was well founded, but it seemed to him that what the

Delegates of France had proposed had not been contested, but that the

arguments used had rather been those in favor of the adoption of the

meridian of Greenwich.

Mr. RUTHERFURD, Delegate of the United States, said that the

observations which he had made were merely to be regarded as a

negative of the proposition made by the Delegates of France, and not

as a statement of the arguments in favor of the adoption of Greenwich.

The PRESIDENT said that the remarks of the Delegate of the United

States were not out of order, inasmuch as they were intended to combat

the proposition brought forward by the Delegate of France.

Mr. JANSSEN, Delegate of France, then spoke as follows:

GENTLEMEN: At the last session, when a proposition was made by my

eminent colleague and friend, Mr. RUTHERFURD, to discuss and vote upon

the adoption of the meridian of Greenwich as the common prime

meridian, I thought it necessary to say that the proposal appeared to

me prematurely made, and that we could not agree to the discussion

proceeding in that manner. Mr. RUTHERFURD has informed me that he

would withdraw his proposition for the present, in order to permit me

to direct the discussion, in the first place, to the principle which

should direct the choice of a common prime meridian. I here take the

opportunity of thanking Mr. RUTHERFURD for his courtesy, and I no

longer object to proceeding with the debate.

What we ask is, that after the general declaration of the second

session as to the utility of a common prime meridian, the Congress

should discuss the question of the principle which should guide the

choice of that meridian.

Being charged to maintain before you, gentlemen, the principle of the

neutrality of the prime meridian, it is evident that if that principle

was rejected by the Congress it would be useless for us to take part

in the further discussion of the choice of the meridian to be adopted

as the point of departure in reckoning longitude.

We think, gentlemen, that if this question of the unification of

longitude is again taken up after so many unsuccessful attempts to

settle it as are recorded in history, there will be no chance of its

final solution unless it be treated upon an exclusively geographical

basis, and that at any cost all national competition should be set

aside. We do not advocate any particular meridian. We put ourselves

completely aside in the debate, and thus place ourselves in a position

of far greater freedom for expressing our opinion, and discussing the

question exclusively in view of the interests affected by the proposed

reform.

The history of geography shows us a great number of attempts to

establish a uniformity of longitude, and when we look for the reasons

which have caused those attempts (many of which were very happily

conceived) to fail, we are struck with the fact that it appears due to

two principal causes--one of a scientific and the other of a moral

nature. The scientific cause was the incapacity of the ancients to

determine exactly the relative positions of different points on the

globe, especially if it was a question of an island far from a

continent, and which consequently could not be connected with that

continent by itinerary measurements. For example, the first meridian

of Marinus of Tyre and Ptolemy, placed on the Fortunate Isles, in

spite of its being so well chosen at the western extremity of the then

known world, could not continue to be used on account of the

uncertainty of the point of departure. That much to be regretted

obstacle caused the method to be changed. It became necessary to fall

back on the continent. But then, in place of a single common origin of

longitude indicated by nature, the first meridians were fixed at

capitals of countries, at remarkable places, at observatories. The

second cause to which I just now alluded, the cause of a moral

nature--national pride--has led to the multiplication of geographical

starting-points where the nature of things would have required, on the

contrary, their reduction to a single one.

In the seventeenth century, Cardinal Richelieu, in view of this

confusion, desired to take up again the conception of Marinus of Tyre,

and assembled at Paris French and foreign men of science, and the

famous meridian of the Island of Ferro was the result of their

discussions.

Here, gentlemen, we find a lesson which should not be lost sight of.

This meridian of Ferro, which at first had the purely geographical and

neutral character which could alone establish and maintain it as an

international first meridian, was deprived of its original

characteristic by the geographer Delisle, who, to simplify the

figures, placed it at 20 degrees in round numbers west of Paris. This

unfortunate simplification abandoned entirely the principle of

impersonality. It was no longer then an independent meridian; it was

the meridian of Paris disguised. The consequences were soon felt. The

meridian of Ferro, which has subsequently been considered as a purely

French meridian, aroused national susceptibilities, and thus lost the

future which was certainly in store for it if it had remained as at

first defined. This was a real misfortune for geography. Our maps,

while being perfected, would have preserved a common unit of origin,

which, on the contrary, has altered more and more.

If, as soon as astronomical methods had been far enough advanced to

permit the establishment of relative positions with that moderate

accuracy which is sufficient for ordinary geography, (and that could

have been done at the end of the 17th century,) we had again taken up

the just and geographical conception of Marinus of Tyre, the reform

would have been accomplished two centuries sooner, and to-day we

should have been in the full enjoyment of it. But the fault was

committed of losing sight of the essential principles of the question,

and the establishment of numerous observatories greatly contributed to

this. Furnishing naturally very accurate relative positions, each one

of these establishments was chosen by the nation to which it belonged

as a point of departure for longitude, so that the intervention of

astronomy in these questions of a geographical nature, an intervention

which, if properly understood, should have been so useful, led us

further away from the object to be attained.

In fact, gentlemen, the study of these questions tends to show that

there is an essential distinction between meridians of a geographical

or hydrographical nature and meridians of observatories. The meridians

of observatories should be considered essentially national. Their

function is to permit observatories to connect themselves one with

another for the unification of the observations made at them. They

serve also as bases for geodetic and topographical operations carried

on around them. But their function is of a very special kind, and

should be generally limited to the country to which they belong.

On the contrary, initial meridians for geography need not be fixed

with quite such a high degree of accuracy as is required by astronomy;

but, in compensation, their operation must be far reaching, and while

it is useful to increase as much as possible the number of meridians

of observatories, it is necessary to reduce as much as we can the

starting points for longitudes in geography.

Further, it may be said that as the position of an observatory should

be chosen with reference to astronomical considerations, so an initial

meridian in geography should only be fixed for geographical reasons.

Gentlemen, have these two very different functions been always well

understood, and has this necessary distinction been preserved? In no

wise. As observatories, on account of the great accuracy of their

operations, furnish admirable points of reference, each nation which

was in a condition to do it connected with its principal observatory

not only the geodetic or topographical work which was done at home--a

very natural thing--but also general geographical or hydrographical

work which was executed abroad, a practice which contained the germ of

all the difficulties with which we are troubled to-day. Thus, as maps

accumulated, the need of uniformity, especially in those that referred

to general geography, was felt more and more.

This explains why this question of a single meridian as a starting

point has been so often raised of late.

Among the assemblies which have occupied themselves with this

question, the one which principally calls for our attention is that

which was held at Rome last year; indeed, for many of our colleagues

the conclusions adopted by the Congress of Rome settle the whole

matter. These conclusions must, therefore, receive our special

attention.

In reading the reports of the discussions of that Congress, I was

struck with the fact that in an assembly of so many learned men and

eminent theorists it was the practical side of the question that was

chiefly considered, and which finally determined the character of the

resolutions adopted.

Thus, instead of laying down the great principle that the meridian to

be offered to the world as the starting-point for all terrestrial

longitudes should, have above all things, an essentially geographical

and impersonal character, the question was simply asked, which one of

the meridians in use among the different observatories has (if I may

be allowed to use the expression) the largest number of clients? In a

matter which interests geography much more than hydrography, as most

sailors acknowledge, because there exist really but two initial

hydrographic meridians, Greenwich and Paris, a prime meridian has been

taken, the reign (practical influence) of which is principally over

the sea; and this meridian, instead of being chosen with reference to

the configuration of the continents, is borrowed from an observatory;

that is to say, that it is placed on the globe in a hap-hazard manner,

and is very inconveniently situated for the function that it is to

perform. Finally, instead of profiting by the lessons of the past,

national rivalries are introduced in a question that should rally the

good-will of all.

Well, gentlemen, I say that considerations of economy and of

established custom should not make us lose sight of the principles

which must be paramount in this question, and which alone can lead to

the universal acceptance and permanence of its settlement.

Furthermore, gentlemen, these motives of economy and of established

custom, which have been appealed to as a decisive argument, exist, it

is true, for the majority in behalf of which they have been put

forward, but exist for them only, and leave to us the whole burden of

change in customs, publications, and material.

Since the report considers us of so little weight in the scales, allow

me, gentlemen, to recall briefly the past and the present of our

hydrography, and for that purpose I can do no better than to quote

from a work that has been communicated to me, and which emanates from

one of our most learned hydrographers. "France," he says, "created

more than two centuries ago the most ancient nautical ephemerides in

existence. She was the first to conceive and execute the great

geodetic operations which had for their object the construction of

civil and military maps and the measurement of arcs of the meridian in

Europe, America, and Africa. All these operations were and are based

on the Paris meridian. Nearly all the astronomical tables used at the

present time by the astronomers and the navies of the whole world are

French, and calculated for the Paris meridian. As to what most

particularly concerns shipping, the accurate methods now used by all

nations for hydrographic surveys are of French origin, and our charts,

all reckoned from the meridian of Paris, bear such names as those of

Bougainville, La Pérouse, Fleurieu, Borda, d'Entrecasteaux, Beautemps,

Beaupré, Duperrey, Dumont d'Urville, Daussy, to quote only a few among

those who are not living.

"Our actual hydrographic collections amount to more than 4,000 charts.

By striking off those which the progress of explorations have rendered

useless, there still remain about 2,600 charts in use. Of this number

more than half represent original French surveys, a large part of

which foreign nations have reproduced. Amongst the remainder, the

general charts are the result of discussions undertaken in the Bureau

of the Marine, by utilizing all known documents, French as well as

foreign, and there are relatively few which are mere translations of

foreign works. Our surveys are not confined to the coasts of France

and of its colonies; there is scarcely a region of the globe for which

we do not possess original work--Newfoundland, the coasts of Guiana,

of Brazil, and of La Plata, Madagascar, numerous points of Japan and

of China, 187 original charts relative to the Pacific. We must not

omit the excellent work of our hydrographic engineers on the west

coast of Italy, which was honored by the international jury with the

great medal of honor at the Universal Exhibition of 1867. The

exclusive use of the Paris meridian by our sailors is justified by

reference to a past of two centuries, which we have thus briefly

recalled.

"If another initial meridian had to be adopted, it would be necessary

to change the graduation of our 2,600 hydrographic plates; it would be

necessary to do the same thing for our nautical instructions, (sailing

directions,) which exceed 600 in number. The change would also

necessarily involve a corresponding change in the _Connaissance des

Temps_."

These are titles to consideration of some importance. Well, if under

these circumstances the projected reform, instead of being directed by

the higher principles which ought to govern the subject, should take

solely for its base the respect due to the established customs of the

largest number and the absence on their part of all sacrifice,

reserving to us alone the burden of the change and the abandonment of

a valued and glorious past, are we not justified in saying that a

proposition thus made would not be acceptable?

When France, at the end of the last century, instituted the metre, did

she proceed thus? Did she, as a measure of economy and in order to

change nothing in her customs, propose to the world the "Pied de Roi"

as a unit of measure? You know the facts. The truth is, everything

with us was overthrown--both the established methods and instruments

for measurement; and the measure adopted being proportioned only to

the dimensions of the earth, is so entirely detached from everything

French that in future centuries the traveller who may search the ruins

of our cities may inquire what people invented the metrical measure

that chance may bring under his eyes.

Permit me to say that it is thus a reform should be made and becomes

acceptable. It is by setting the example of self-sacrifice; it is by

complete self-effacement in any undertaking, that opposition is

disarmed and true love of progress is proved.

I now hasten to say that I am persuaded that the proposition voted for

at Rome was neither made nor suggested by England, but I doubt whether

it would render a true service to the English nation if it be agreed

to. An immense majority of the navies of the world navigate with

English charts; that is true, and it is a practical compliment to the

great maritime activity of that nation. When this freely admitted

supremacy shall be transformed into an official and compulsory

supremacy, it will suffer the vicissitudes of all human power, and

that institution, (the common meridian,) which by its nature is of a

purely scientific nature, and to which we would assure a long and

certain future, will become the object of burning competition and

jealousy among nations.

All this shows, gentlemen, how much wiser it would be to take for the

origin of terrestrial longitude a point chosen from geographical

considerations only. Upon the globe, nature has so sharply separated

the continent on which the great American nation has arisen, that

there are only two solutions possible from a geographical point of

view, both of them very natural.

The first solution would consist in returning, with some small

modification, to the solution of the ancients, by placing our meridian

near the Azores; the second by throwing it back to that immense

expanse of water which separates America from Asia, where on its

northern shores the New World abuts on the old.

These two solutions may be discussed; this has been often done, and

again quite recently, by one of our ablest geologists, M. de

Chancourtois.

Each of these meridians combine the fundamental conditions which

geography demands and upon which there has always been an agreement

when national meridians are set aside from the discussion. As to the

determination of the position of the point which may be adopted, the

present excellent astronomical methods will give it with a degree of

exactness as great as that which geography requires.

But what is the necessity for a special and costly determination of

the longitude of a point which can be fixed arbitrarily, provided this

be done within certain limits, as for instance by satisfying the

conditions of passing through a strait or an island. We may be content

with fixing the position of the point adopted in an approximate

manner. The position thus obtained would be connected with certain of

the great observatories selected for the purpose from their being

accurately connected one with another, and the relative positions thus

ascertained would supply the definition of the first meridian. As to

any material mark on the globe, if one be desired, though it is in no

manner necessary, it would be established in conformity with this

definition, and its position should be changed until it exactly

complied with it.

As to the question of the changes to be introduced in existing maps

and charts which, by our proposition, would be imposed upon everybody,

they could be very much reduced, especially if it were agreed--which

would be sufficient at first--to draw upon existing charts only a

subsidiary additional scale of graduation which would permit immediate

use of the international meridian. Later, and as new charts were

engraved, a more complete scale of graduation would be given; but I

think that it would always be desirable to preserve in the manner now

done in many atlases both systems of reckoning longitude--the national

and international. If it be necessary at the present time to

facilitate the external relations of all nations, it is also well to

preserve among them all manifestations of personal life, and to

respect the symbols which represent their traditions and past history.

Gentlemen, I do not propose to dwell upon the details of the

establishment of such a meridian. We have only to advocate before you

the principle of its acceptance.

If this principle be admitted by the Congress, we are instructed to

say that you will find in it a ground for agreement with France.

Without doubt, on account of our long and glorious past, of our great

publications, of our important hydrographic works, a change of

meridian would cause us heavy sacrifices. Nevertheless, if we are

approached with offers of self-sacrifice, and thus receive proofs of a

sincere desire for the general good, France has given sufficient

proofs of her love of progress to make her co-operation certain.

But we shall have to regret that we are not able to join a combination

which to protect the interests of one portion of the contracting

parties would sacrifice the more weighty scientific character of the

meridian to be adopted, a character which in our eyes is indispensable

to justify its imposition upon all, and to assure it permanent

success.

Prof. J. C. ADAMS, Delegate of Great Britain, stated that if he were

allowed to offer a few observations upon the eloquent address made by

his colleague, the representative of France, Mr. JANSSEN, he would

remark that, so far as he could follow that discourse, it seemed to

him to turn almost entirely on sentimental considerations; that it

appeared to him that the Delegate of France had overlooked one great

point which was correctly laid down by the President in his opening

address, viz., that one of the main objects to be kept in view in the

deliberations of this Conference would be, how best to secure the

aggregate convenience of the world at large--how we should choose a

prime meridian which would cause the least inconvenience by the change

that would take place. Of course, any change would necessarily be

accompanied by a certain amount of inconvenience, but our object, as

he understood it, was to take care that that inconvenience should be

as small in its aggregate amount as possible.

He stated that if that were taken as the ground of consideration by

this Conference, it appeared to him that the question was narrowed to

one of fact rather than to be one of sentiment, which latter would

admit of no solution whatever; for it was quite clear that if all the

Delegates here present were guided by merely sentimental

considerations, or by considerations of _amour propre_, the Conference

would never arrive at any conclusion, because each nation would put

its own interests on a level with those of every other.

He added that if the Conference should be able to agree in the opinion

that the adoption of one meridian (for his part he did not undertake

to say what meridian) would be accompanied by a greater amount of

convenience in the aggregate than the adoption of any other, he

thought that this should be the predominant consideration in guiding

the decision of this Conference, on the question referred to them, and

it appeared to him that this is a consideration which the Delegate of

France has not put before this Conference, at least not in a prominent

way. It is clear that the inconvenience caused to any one nation by

the adoption of a new neutral meridian would not be lessened by the

fact that all other nations would suffer the same inconvenience.

With respect to the question of a neutral meridian, Professor ADAMS

wished to call the attention of the Congress to the fact that the

Delegates here present are not a collection of representatives of

belligerents; that they are all neutral as men should be in a matter

purely scientific, or in any other matter which affects the

convenience of the world at large, and that this Conference is not met

here at the end of a war to see how territory should be divided, but

in a friendly way, representing friendly nations.

He stated that he hoped the Delegates would be guided in their

decision by the main consideration, which was, What will tend to the

greatest practical convenience of the world? That he need not address

a word to the other part of the argument which he thought at first of

commenting upon a little, for the Delegate of the United States,

Commander SAMPSON, who spoke first, had put his views so clearly

before the Conference that he (Professor ADAMS) would not detain it

longer.

He would add, however, that if the Conference is to take a neutral

meridian they must either erect an observatory on the point selected,

which might be very inconvenient if they should choose such a point as

is alluded to by the Delegate of France, or if some such place was not

selected, we should merely have a zero of longitude by a legal

fiction, and that would not be a real zero at all; that they would

have to select their zero with reference to a known observatory, and

that, for instance, supposing they took a point for zero twenty

degrees west of Paris, of course that would be really adopting Paris

as the prime meridian; that it would not be so nominally, but in

reality it would be, and he thought that we now-a-days should get rid

of legal fictions as much as possible, and call things by their right

names.

Mr. JANSSEN, Delegate of France, said:

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