Finally, I must return again to those sentimental reasons which my

eminent and friendly opponents so often call to my attention. If I do

not err, the very warmth of these interesting discussions shows me

that the honor of being personally connected with a great reform

touches us more than we are willing to admit, or than practical

interests alone could effect.

Professor ADAMS himself supplies an illustration of this. He should

remember the lively discussions of the English and French press on the

occasion of the magnificent discovery of Neptune, and on the claims of

the two illustrious competitors who were then the objects of universal

admiration. If we go back in history, do we not see the friends of

Newton and of Leibnitz equally contesting with asperity the discovery

of the infinitesimal calculus. The love of glory is one of the noblest

motives of men; we must bow before it, but we must also be careful not

to permit it to produce bad fruits.

When our men of science sought, a hundred years ago, to determine a

new measure of length, some one proposed the length of the seconds

pendulum at Paris. This measure was rejected, because it introduced

the idea of time in a measure of length, and also because it was

peculiar to Paris, and because a measure acceptable to the whole world

was desired. It is important not to introduce questions of national

rivalries into a scientific reform intended to be accepted by all, and

history shows us precisely on this question of prime meridians what

active rivalries there are. There was a time when almost every nation

which had a large observatory had a meridian, and that meridian was

considered an object of national pride. There were the meridians of

Paris, of Rome, of Florence, of London, and so on, and no nation was

willing to abandon its meridian for that of another. If you please to

adopt either the meridian of Greenwich, Washington, Paris, Berlin,

Pulkowa, Vienna, or Rome, our reform may be accepted for the moment,

especially if it offers immediate advantages in economy; but it will

contain within it a vice which will prevent its becoming definitive,

and we are not willing to participate in action which will not be

definitive.

Whatever we may do, the common prime meridian will always be a crown

to which there will be a hundred pretenders. Let us place the crown on

the brow of science, and all will bow before it.

Commander SAMPSON, Delegate of the United States, said that he thought

that the Delegate of France, Professor JANSSEN, had explained very

fully the advantages of a neutral meridian, but he thought that he had

not explained how we are to determine the neutral meridian. He added

that he quite agreed with Professor ADAMS and Professor NEWCOMB, that

to establish a prime meridian it is necessary to refer its position to

an astronomical observatory.

He stated further that if a meridian were selected passing through the

Atlantic or Pacific Ocean, it must be referred to some initial point

whose longitude is known, and the consequence of that would be, it

seemed to him, that the prime meridian selected would still be

dependent upon some national observatory, and that to select a

meridian at random without reference to any observatory would lead to

the utmost confusion, and, he had no doubt, would not be entertained

by any one.

Prof. JANSSEN, Delegate of France. When my honorable colleague,

Commander SAMPSON, reads the remarks which I have just made, he will

see that I have very fully shown what characterizes a neutral or

geographical meridian, as contradistinguished from those meridians

which, passing through capitals and observatories of different

countries, bear the names of nations, whilst geographical meridians

bear geographical names, such as the meridian of Ferro, of the Azores,

Behring's Strait, &c. Of course it would be necessary to connect the

places selected with observatories, either by calculation or in some

other effective manner. I said all this a few moments ago.

Mr. RUTHERFURD, Delegate of the United States, then remarked that in

addition to what had been said he would merely call attention to the

fact that after that neutral point had been established it would cease

to be a neutral meridian; that if the Azores be chosen they belong to

Portugal, and he did not know any island in the Pacific which would

serve the purpose, and at the same time not be subject to this

objection; that perhaps Behring's Strait, mentioned by the French

Delegate, might be less objectionable than any other place. He added

that it is absolutely necessary that there should be some means of

determining the difference between this adopted place and the other

places, or else no use could be made of it. We must know how far other

places are from the prime meridian, and for that reason it is

necessary that it should be on land. Now, that land must belong to

some country, and after we have fixed upon it it would cease to be a

neutral meridian, and it would have to be connected by telegraphic

wires with all the great observatories in the world.

Prof. JANSSEN, Delegate of France. My honorable friend, Mr.

RUTHERFURD, says that from the time the prime meridian was chosen it

would cease to be neutral. I reply that he confounds a scientific

principle with a question of property in the soil. If, for reasons of

a geographical nature, we should fix upon a point in the Azores, that

meridian would be neutral, because it would have been chosen on

scientific grounds alone. The equator is neutral because geographical

conditions give it that character; and, nevertheless, the countries

along it belong to various nations, do they not? As to the manner of

connecting the prime meridian with the system of observatories, I have

already explained how this may be done in my former speech.

General STRACHEY, Delegate of England, remarked that he had rather

hesitated about saying anything on the subject, after the expression

of so many opinions of persons better qualified to speak than himself,

but he felt that he ought to make a few remarks as to the distinction

which Prof. JANSSEN had attempted to establish between astronomical

and geographical longitude. It appeared to him that longitude was

longitude. It would never do if, for geographic purposes, we are to

have a second or third-class longitude and for astronomical purposes a

first-class longitude. He said that as a geographer he repudiated any

such idea. When you come to the practical application of the

determination of longitude at sea for maritime purposes, it is true

that a much less accurate determination suffices than would suffice

for the determination of longitude for astronomical observatories;

but, for all that, what is the object of a ship desiring to know what

its place at sea is? Obviously to arrive at the port to which it is

destined, and the object to be obtained is such a determination of the

longitude as to enable that ship to arrive at its port without danger.

You obtain a comparatively imperfect determination of longitude, but

it is sufficiently accurate to prevent you from striking on the solid

earth. But how is the longitude of the port to be determined?

Certainly, as has been properly said, by astronomical observations,

which can only be made with certainty on the earth. Consequently, it

seemed to him that it is absolutely essential for fixing an initial

meridian for the determination of longitude that it should be placed

at an astronomical observatory which can be connected with other

places by astronomical observations and by telegraph wires, and that

the idea of fixing a neutral meridian is nothing more than the

establishment of an ideal meridian really based upon some point at

which there is located an observatory. This has been repeated once or

twice before, and I need not enlarge upon it.

Prof. JANSSEN, Delegate of France. My honorable colleague, General

STRACHEY, thinks that longitude is longitude, and that there is not an

astronomical longitude and a geographical longitude. I answer, that

this is, nevertheless, what the nature of things indicates. The

longitude of observatories, or rather the difference of longitude

between those establishments, must be fixed with an accuracy which is

never sufficiently great. In the Bureau of Longitude of France we are

occupied with the differences of longitude of European observatories,

and we adopt for these calculations all the latest scientific

improvements, and especially the employment of electricity. Geography,

especially for general purposes, does not require this great accuracy,

which could not be expressed on maps. All geographers agree upon that

subject. A statement of the longitude is like the statement of a

weight, of a measure, or of anything, and its precision must vary

according to the purpose to which it is applied. Is not a weighing

necessary to determine a chemical equivalent of an entirely different

kind from that of a commercial weighing? Yet it is still a weight. Is

it necessary to insist on this further? It is entirely a secondary

question. If General STRACHEY, whom I had the pleasure of meeting in

India, demands that the prime meridian should be connected with

observatories with rigorous accuracy, this can be done if it be

desired; the astronomical and electrical methods at our disposal will

permit of it.

Prof. ABBE, Delegate of the United States, said that he was quite

interested in the determination, if possible, of what is a neutral

meridian. We are precisely in the condition in which we were years

ago, when the French Institute determined that the basis of the metric

system should be the one ten-millionth of the quadrant of the globe.

Having settled upon that ideal basis, they spent years of labor, and

finally legalized a standard metre, which is still preserved at Paris.

We have now the same problem to solve. We have before us the idea of a

neutral meridian, and, if it be adopted, we must see that there be

embodied in the system the distance of certain other important places

with reference to it. The only suggestion given as to the location of

this neutral meridian is Behring's Strait. This is said to be a

neutral meridian, because it lies between Russia and America; but how

long will it remain so? Perhaps a year or two, or perhaps fifty years.

Who knows when Russia will step over and reconquer the country on this

side of Behring's Strait? Who knows when America will step over and

purchase half of Siberia? At any rate, that point is not cosmopolitan;

something must be found which is fixed, either within the sphere of

the earth or in the stars above the earth--something that is above all

human considerations--otherwise we shall fail in securing a neutral

meridian.

Commander SAMPSON, Delegate of the United States, said that he would

like to ask the Delegate from France, Mr. JANSSEN, where he would

place the neutral meridian.

The PRESIDENT said that the Delegate of the United States, Commander

SAMPSON, puts a question which seems to be somewhat categorical.

At this point in the proceedings the PRESIDENT stated that it would be

convenient if the Conference would take a short recess to enable the

Secretaries, with himself, to consult upon the subject of the

preparation and approval of the protocols.

A recess was thereupon taken.

After the recess, the Delegate from France, Prof. JANSSEN, presented

the following resolution:

"_Resolved_, That the decision upon the motion of the French

Delegates, in regard to the choice of a neutral meridian, be

postponed to the next meeting of the Conference."

He said that as he must speak French, and as several of his colleagues

could, perhaps, not entirely grasp the meaning of the discussion, he

asked for the adjournment of the vote until the next meeting, so that

the protocol of this meeting may be printed and distributed to the

members of the Conference.

The PRESIDENT stated that as far as he understood this resolution it

merely amounted to this: that no vote shall be taken upon the original

resolution of the French Delegate--namely, as to the adoption of a

neutral meridian--until the next meeting of the Conference, when the

protocols in both languages will have been printed and distributed.

Commander SAMPSON, Delegate of the United States, inquired whether, if

this resolution were adopted, it would be necessary to vote upon the

original question at the next meeting.

The PRESIDENT replied that was not necessarily the case. The Delegate

of France simply desires that no vote shall be taken to-day. The

original subject will come up and be open for debate at the next

meeting, but it seemed to the Chair that it should be as far as

possible exhausted to-day, so that the Delegates could have the whole

matter before them at the next meeting.

Mr. LEFAIVRE, Delegate from France, said that the arguments already

presented will require time for careful consideration. Consequently he

asked for the adjournment of the vote, and he hoped that none of his

colleagues would object to it.

The PRESIDENT stated that he would venture to suggest, for the purpose

of preventing delay, that so far as was possible any arguments that

are to be offered should be made now, so that in the protocol of this

day's proceedings, which will be of considerable length, these

arguments may be incorporated.

Mr. RUSTEM EFFENDI, Delegate of Turkey, stated that it would be

impossible to prepare a proper protocol of this Conference without the

assistance of a French stenographer, and he therefore suggested that

such a stenographer be secured as early as possible.

The PRESIDENT stated that efforts had been made to obtain a French

stenographer, but without success, and that if any Delegate knows of

such a stenographer and will communicate with the Chair it will be

happy to take the necessary steps to secure his services.

Count LEWENHAUPT, Delegate of Sweden, then made the following

statement:

I beg to propose that the Conference adjourn at the call of the

President, that the time and hour for the next meeting be communicated

to the Delegates 24 hours before the meeting, and that at the same

time a proof-copy of the protocols of the present meeting be

forwarded.

He added that by giving the Delegates 24 hours after the protocols are

printed time would be allowed them to revise the protocols and make

such corrections as they thought necessary, and those corrections

could be reported to the Secretaries and made in the printed text. The

protocol can then be finally and definitively printed and approved at

the beginning of the next meeting of the Conference.

The proposition of the Delegate of Sweden was then adopted.

The Conference then adjourned at 5 o'clock p. m., subject to the call

of the President.

IV.

SESSION OF OCTOBER 13, 1884.

The Conference met pursuant to adjournment in the Diplomatic Hall, in

the State Department, at one o'clock P. M.

Present:

Austria-Hungary: Baron I. VON SCHÆFFER.

Brazil: Dr. LUIZ CRULS.

Chili: Mr. F. V. GORMAS and Mr. A. B. TUPPER.

Colombia: Commodore FRANKLIN.

Costa Rica: Mr. J. F. ECHEVERRIA.

France: Mr. A. LEFAIVRE and Mr. JANSSEN.

Germany: Baron H. VON ALVENSLEBEN and Mr. HINCKELDEYN.

Great Britain: Sir F. J. O. EVANS, Prof. J. C. ADAMS, Lieut.

General STRACHEY, and Mr. SANDFORD FLEMING.

Guatemala: Mr. MILES ROCK.

Hawaii: Hon. W. D. ALEXANDER and Hon. LUTHER AHOLO.

Italy: Count ALBERT DE FORESTA.

Japan: Professor KIKUCHI.

Liberia: Mr. WILLIAM COPPINGER.

Mexico: Mr. LEANDRO FERNANDEZ and Mr. ANGEL ANGUIANO.

Netherlands: Mr. G. DE WECKHERLIN.

Paraguay: Capt. JOHN STEWART.

Russia: Mr. C. DE STRUVE, Major-General STEBNITZKI, and

Mr. J. DE KOLOGRIVOFF.

San Domingo: Mr. M. DE J. GALVAN.

Spain: Mr. JUAN VALERA, Mr. EMILIO RUIZ DEL ARBOL, and

Mr. JUAN PASTORIN.

Sweden: Count CARL LEWENHAUPT.

Switzerland: Col. EMILE FREY.

Turkey: Mr. RUSTEM EFFENDI.

Venezuela: Dr. A. M. SOTELDO.

United States: Rear-Admiral C. R. P. RODGERS, Mr. LEWIS

M. RUTHERFURD, Mr. W. F. ALLEN, Commander W. T.

SAMPSON, and Prof. CLEVELAND ABBE.

Absent:

Denmark: Mr. C. S. A. DE BILLE.

Salvador: Mr. A. BATRES.

The PRESIDENT. In view of the many communications addressed to the

President of this Conference, having reference to the business before

it, presenting statements and arguments in relation thereto, the Chair

asks that a committee be appointed, to which shall be referred all

such communications, and that the committee be instructed to make such

report upon them as it may deem advisable.

Count LEWENHAUPT, Delegate of Sweden. I beg leave to propose to the

Conference that the appointment of this committee be left to the

President.

Mr. SOTELDO, Delegate of Venezuela. I second the motion of the

Delegate of Sweden.

Mr. DE STRUVE, Delegate of Russia. I entertain the same opinion, and I

support the motion.

The motion was then unanimously adopted.

The PRESIDENT. I will name as the members of the Committee the

Delegate of Great Britain, Professor ADAMS; the Delegate of Germany,

Mr. HINCKELDEYN; the Delegate of the United States, Professor ABBE;

the Delegate of Japan, Mr. KIKUCHI; and the Delegate of Costa Rica,

Mr. ECHEVERRIA.

PRESIDENT. Alter a discussion of only three hours this Conference

adjourned a week ago to-day, subject to the call of its President.

Owing to the want of a French stenographer to report the words that

were spoken in French, there has been much delay in preparing the

protocol, which has not yet been completed. Fortunately, an

experienced French stenographer has been procured through the kind

intervention of Mr. SANDFORD FLEMING, of the delegation from Great

Britain, and Mr. WILLIAM SMITH, Deputy Minister of Marine for the

Dominion of Canada. We may now hope to have a fairly accurate report

of what is said, both in French and English, needing only slight

verbal corrections, and the Chair trusts that delegates may find it

convenient to make the corrections very promptly, so that the

protocols may be printed and verified as speedily as possible.

Should any delegate, who has not yet spoken, desire to address the

Conference upon the resolution of the Delegate from France, his

remarks will now be received, and when the mover of the resolution

shall close the debate, the vote will be taken, if such be the

pleasure of the Conference.

Mr. SANDFORD FLEMING, Delegate of Great Britain. I have listened with

great attention and deep interest to the remarks which have fallen

from the several gentlemen who have spoken, and I desire your kind

indulgence for a few moments while I explain the views I have formed

on the motion of the distinguished Delegates from France.

I feel that the important question which this Conference has to

consider must be approached in no narrow spirit. It is one which

affects every nationality, and we should endeavor, in the common

interest, to set aside any national or individual prejudices we

possess, and view the subject as members of one community--in fact, as

citizens of the world. Acting in this broad spirit, we cannot fail to

arrive at conclusions which will promote the common good of mankind.

In deliberating on the important subject before us, it seems to me

there are two essential points which we should constantly bear in

mind.

1. We should consider what will best promote the general advantage,

not now only, but for all future years, while causing at the present

time as little individual and national inconvenience as possible.

2. We should, in coming to a determination on the main question for

which this Conference is called, leave nothing undone to avoid

offence, now or hereafter, to the sensitiveness of individual nations.

The motion is, that the initial meridian to be chosen should be

selected on account of its neutrality. This undoubtedly involves the

selection of an entirely new meridian, one which has never previously

been used by any nation, as all initial meridians in use are more or

less national, and, as such, would not be considered neutral in the

sense intended by the honorable Delegates from France.

Let us suppose that this Conference adopted the motion. Let us

suppose, further, that we found a meridian quite independent of and

unrelated to any existing initial meridian. Would we then have

accomplished the task for which we are met? I ask, would the

twenty-six nations here represented accept our recommendation to adopt

the neutral meridian? I greatly fear that the passing of the

resolution would not in the least promote the settlement of the

important question before the Conference. The world has already at

least eleven different first meridians. The adoption of the new

meridian contemplated by the Delegates from France would, I apprehend,

simply increase the number and proportionately increase the difficulty

which so many delegates from all parts of the earth are assembled here

to remove.

This would be the practical effect of the passing of the resolution.

If it had any effect, it would increase the difficulty, and I need not

say that is not the object which the different Governments had in view

when they sent delegates to this Conference. The President has well

pointed out in his opening address the advantages which would be

gained, and the great dangers which, at times, would be avoided by

seafaring vessels having one common zero of longitude. Besides the

benefits which would accrue to navigation, there are advantages of

equal importance in connection with the regulation of time, to spring,

I trust, from our conclusions.

It does not appear to me that the adoption of the motion would in any

way advance these objects. I do not say that the principle of a

neutral meridian is wrong, but to attempt to establish one would, I

feel satisfied, be productive of no good result. A neutral meridian is

excellent in theory, but I fear it is entirely beyond the domain of

practicability. If such be the case, it becomes necessary to consider

how far it would be practicable to secure the desired advantages by

adopting as a zero some other meridian which, while related to some

existing first meridian, would not be national in fact, and would have

the same effect as a perfectly neutral meridian in allaying national

susceptibilities.

The selection of an initial meridian related to meridians now in use

gives us a sufficiently wide choice. Allow me to read the following

list, showing the number and the total tonnage of vessels using the

several meridians named, in ascertaining their longitude.

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| SHIPS OF ALL KINDS. | PER CENT.

INITIAL MERIDIANS. +---------------------+--------------------

| Number. | Tonnage. | Ships. | Tonnage.

---------------------------+---------+-----------+--------+-----------

Greenwich..................| 37,663 |14,600,972 | 65 | 72

Paris......................| 5,914 | 1,735,083 | 10 | 8

Cadiz......................| 2,468 | 666,602 | 5 | 3

Naples.....................| 2,263 | 715,448 | 4 | 4

Christiana.................| 2,128 | 695,988 | 4 | 3

Ferro......................| 1,497 | 567,682 | 2 | 3

Pulkova....................| 987 | 298,641 | 11/2 | 11/2

Stockholm..................| 717 | 154,180 | 11/2 | 1

Lisbon.....................| 491 | 164,000 | 1 | 1

Copenhagen.................| 435 | 81,888 | 1 | 1/2

Rio de Janeiro.............| 253 | 97,040 | 1/2 | 1/2

Miscellaneous..............| 2,881| 534,569 | 41/2 | 21/2

|---------+-----------+--------+-----------

Total ...............| 57,697|20,312,093 | 100 | 100

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