Representative FORD. Is that why you have described----

Mr. KELLERMAN. The flurry.

Representative FORD. The noise as a flurry?

Mr. KELLERMAN. That is right, sir.

Mr. SPECTER. Excuse me, do you have any independent recollection, Mr.

Kellerman, of the number of shots, aside from the inference that you

make as to how many points of wounds there were?

Mr. KELLERMAN. Could you rephrase that, please?

Mr. SPECTER. Yes. You have drawn a conclusion, in effect, by saying

that there were four wounds for the President and three wounds for the

Governor; and from that, you say there must have been more than three

shots in your opinion or your view. But my question is: Do you have any

current recollection of having heard more than three shots?

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