MR. W. W. GRENVILLE TO LORD TEMPLE.

Pall Mall, Dec. 20th, 1782.

My dear Brother,

I am still unable to send you any final answer, although I must

confess that I think we approach much nearer to it than we have

done yet.

The Cabinet met yesterday. As I was not quite satisfied with

what I had said the day before on the subject of recognition,

and of the preamble, I thought it better to put a few words to

paper, and to send them to Townshend. I enclose a copy of that

paper and the letter which went with it. They were delivered to

Townshend during the Cabinet. I heard nothing at all from him

last night.

This morning I was surprised and shocked--and I cannot say which

I was most--by seeing in the papers the conversation which had

passed in the House on the subject of Ireland, of which

Fitzpatrick, though it was evidently a concerted thing, had not

thought proper to give me any notice whatever. I immediately

resolved to say something about it in the House to-day.

Accordingly I sent a note to Townshend, desiring to be allowed

to wait upon him in the morning. I told him my intention, and

questioned him upon the subject of the Cabinet. He showed me,

what (he said) was not properly a minute, but a memorandum taken

there. I could not copy that, but as soon as I came home I

endeavoured to recollect it, and believe the enclosed is very

near the words. This I said immediately was only losing time,

and that it was very useless for him to trouble himself with

writing such a despatch, as I would take upon myself to make

your answer to the two points it contained: First, that the bill

you had sent over was drawn expressly to avoid the question of

what _had been_ the right, as it declared only what _is_ now the

right; and that if there was to be any reservation as to its

being now the right, I would only say that this would be the

most disgraced country in Europe. As to the other point, I knew

perfectly that every step you had taken was with a full

knowledge of the circumstances of the case, because I had sent

them over to you myself a few days after my arrival in London.

That being the case, Townshend said he would not write, but

state these things to the Cabinet, which was to meet again

either to-morrow or the next day; I do not positively remember

which. I then stated to him what I meant to say to-day, in which

he acquiesced. He told me General Conway wished to see me, as he

thought that he had struck out an idea which might answer

effectually; and he showed me a few words which were to explain

this idea. They were in the form of a resolution, and went only

to say, that Great Britain had, by the repeal, renounced all

thoughts of exercising any right to make laws to bind Ireland.

You may easily guess the answer which I made to this.

From Townshend I went to Conway. Him I found very strongly

impressed with Lord B.'s ideas about renunciation, complete

satisfaction, and the effect of a declaratory law, and of the

repeal of it, which, he said, left things as they were before. I

combated all this very strongly, and at last got him to

acquiesce in the idea of a recognition, provided that the words

were such as not to imply that England _never had_ the right. I

said that I conceived, as this was merely a point of honour, and

not a reservation of anything to be exercised in future, that

all that Government could desire was to use such words as should

not _necessarily_ imply that the right never existed; that this

was expressly the description of the words in your bill, which

were so drawn as to go only to present right, and yet so as to

be very satisfactory to Ireland. In all this he acquiesced, and

then wished that some notice might be given in the "Dublin

Gazette;" that the cause had only been heard because it was

pending before; and that after the holidays, something

satisfactory would be done. I answered as to the first, that

after the opinion delivered privately by the Chancellor, and in

the House of Commons, as I had understood, by the

Attorney-General, that even a new cause could not be rejected by

the Judges, such a ground would be a very bad one to take. To

this he agreed. As to the other point, I said that it was my

intention to state it in the House of Commons, which I

apprehended would answer nearly the same purpose. He assented to

this also, and so I left him. I then went to the House of

Commons; there I saw Townshend, and asked him what day the

Parliament was to meet after Christmas, because I thought it

would give more solemnity if I gave notice for a particular day,

and moved for a call on that day; and that the earlier it was,

the better it would be. He said they met on the 21st. I proposed

that day, and he agreed. Hartley rose at the same time with me,

and being called to, moved for a call on the 22nd. I then got up

and said, that if I had not been prevented, I was going to have

moved it for the 21st; but I would now trouble the House only to

give notice that on that day a very important business would be

brought before them on the subject of Ireland; that I had

understood that a conversation had taken place the day before on

that subject; that I lamented exceedingly that I had been so

unfortunate as to be absent at that time, because if I had been

there I should have thought it my duty to have stated to the

House, in justice to the Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland, that the

business in question had been submitted by you to the

consideration of Government, and had been in the contemplation

of the King's servants a considerable time before any notice had

been given of a motion to be made upon it by a noble Lord in the

House; that I wished further, in justice to you, to say, that

"there was no man in either kingdom more decidedly of opinion

that the good faith of Great Britain was solemnly pledged to

Ireland, by the repeal of the 6th Geo. I., in the last sessions,

upon the avowed and explained principle of putting an end to

every idea of legislation and jurisdiction over that kingdom;

and that there was no man more eagerly desirous than you, that

that faith so pledged, and upon that principle so explained,

should be religiously adhered to and maintained, as the national

honour and national interest required it should be maintained,

sacred and inviolable."

This brought up Lord Beauchamp, who began by assuring and

protesting that the part he had taken was upon the best motives,

&c., &c. He then went into the question of the writ of error,

how far it could have been rejected, and how useless it was in

Ireland, &c., &c. He then said that it was a point of

parliamentary fairness, that when one person had given notice of

a motion, it should be left to him, and not taken up in the

meantime by any other person.

I answered, that as to the noble Lord's motives, he must do me

the justice to say that _I_ had been perfectly silent on that

head. That with respect to the question about the writ of error,

neither did I conceive this to be a proper time for that

discussion. But that with regard to parliamentary fairness, I

did not imagine that His Majesty's Government would think

themselves justified in postponing so important a question, and

which would have been brought on before the recess if there had

been time, merely because the noble Lord meant to move something

about it at a distant day.

This ended the conversation on the subject; except that I added

that the noble Lord had misunderstood me when he imagined that

_I_ was to move the business on the 21st, as I _apprehended_

that it was the intention of Government to do it.

I cannot help thinking that by this, which has been done

entirely without the concurrence or even knowledge of Lord

Shelburne, we have gained a great point. By giving such a

notice, speaking from the Treasury bench in the hearing of, and

backed by Townshend and Pitt, I have most undoubtedly pledged

Government to do something on that day. If that is short of your

wishes, see in what a situation they stand; if not, you are

landed. In the meantime the notice and the explicit declaration

made in your name must surely be infinitely useful to you in

Ireland.

I wait with great impatience the final decision of the Cabinet.

Conway's expression was, that he conceived there was no

objection to any preamble which had not a retrospect. If we can

convince them that ours has none, or frame one not quite so

strong, but very near it, think what ground we stand upon, in

having obtained something stronger and more advantageous to the

interests of Ireland than any renunciation whatever. "For this

we must thank" Mansfield, who has certainly extricated us from a

scene of considerable difficulty.

If it could be done without great inconvenience to you in

Ireland, I should be very desirous either of coming back here,

in case I get away soon enough, or if not, of staying here till

the 21st; because I am convinced my presence here is of infinite

moment, to prevent their being frightened at the time into any

weakening of the preamble, and to goad them on to do something.

For you see, even in this case, the objection was not so much to

the taking any particular step, as to the doing anything at all;

and when forced to that, and driven from their intrenchments of

indolence and delay, you see how much they are inclined to take

the measures you wish. But this shall be decided by your wishes

on the subject, unless I should set out before I receive them.

I say nothing of the dissolution; I have not, however, lost

sight of that, and will press it to-morrow; but I thought the

other the more important point, having so fine an opening, which

I trust you will think I have not neglected.

D'Ivernois is come. He was with me this morning, and comes again

to-morrow. He says the business goes on at Geneva far better

than he could have expected, owing to the Constitution which the

mediating powers have given them, which appears truly, what he

states it, worse than that of Venice.

Believe me, my dear brother,

Ever most affectionately yours,

W. W. G.

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