SWIFT. If there was, I wou'd raise a little Earthquake yet in this

Kingdom. But I have not forgot, _Tom_, nor I cannot yet forgive your

strange Rant of improving the very Climate in _Ireland_. If it was, I

wou'd not curse it, as _Harry_ the Eighth's Fool did the fine Weather,

for taking all the good Company abroad from him, but I shou'd rail at

it and you for another Cause; for fear of bringing us better Company

than I desire in _Ireland_. I must confess honestly, that our Winter

begins very late, and hardly appears till about the End of _December_,

and is gone before the beginning of _February_. But then it must be

own'd, that we have but very little Spring, unless it be of Grass and

Weeds; and that our Autumn lasts but very few Weeks, without any

Harvest to gather in, but a little pittance of Corn and some half made

Hay; and as for our Summers (as we call them) they come as it were by

Chance, now and then one, when _Spain_ and _Italy_ have done with them.

Nay, even then, we only get them, as Servants do their surfeited

Masters broken Meals; half hot, half cold, in little Scraps and Morsels

that do us no Good. In short, _Tom_, a Summer in _Ireland_ when it

wanders thither, is of as little Service as fair Weather in

_Greenland_, where nothing is the better for it, but vast Swamps and

Savannahs and a wild waste of Plains and Mountains, a few rational

Brutes that dwell in Caves and Holes of the Rocks, and a parcel of

Hares and Deers, which they live tollerably on, while they have Light

enough to hunt them. And to talk of mending our Climate, where nothing

but a general Conflagration can dry the Land, or purge the Dampness of

our unelastick Air, is as absurd as the Philosophers Sun-dial in the

Grave. Ah, _Tom_, I was always a very Atmospherical Creature; and often

have the Rains of _Ireland_ sunk my Spirits, and made me envy those

happy Climates, where the Natives toast in the Sunshine, till they

almost grow tir'd of it, and rejoice for Rain and bad Weather, like so

many Hackney Coachmen.

But as I hope you have done with all your mighty Reasons, for thinking

_Ireland_ on the mending hand, I expect you will indulge me now, while

I give you mine, why I think her in a very dangerous declining

Situation.

PRIOR. With all my Heart, provided you will allow me the Priviledge of

a free Conference, and bear with my opposing, whatever I think is wrong

in your Assertions, and let me canvass your Opinions where I want

Information or Proofs. I came to call on you, in order to Talk over all

that I thought dangerous or distressful, in our present Circumstances

and our future Prospects; and to consider what hope we can strike out

of Relief or Comfort, for this neglected People and Country; and I

promise before hand, I shall not contradict you in any Thing, where you

do not force me to it, by an over-bearing Zeal, or a querulous Temper.

SWIFT. A fair Preliminary, to which I readily Subscribe. Now the first

Reason, _Tom_, why I have uneasy fears for our Country, and for my

having little Expectation of mending her Circumstances is, the utter

absence of all Industry and Frugality among us. There is no other

Remedy for a thoughtless Nation, which gets little or nothing from

others, but saving all it can; and being frugal in proportion to its

Indolence and Poverty. This is a self-evident Truth, and yet our

Nobility and Gentry spend in Vanity and Luxury, treble as much as Men

of twice their Fortune in _England_, tho' they do not half the Good

among their Tenants, and neither spend half the Time or Money with

them, or take half the pains to improve them, while they every Year

encrease their Rents, and our Beggars: 'Tis dismal to make the poor

Tenant give the full Tale of Brick, tho' we give them no Straw, and

that we starve them, by sending our Money abroad for foreign

Commodities, to feed our Extravagance, and gratify our Madness for

importing Fopperies; tho' we hurt our Families for the present, and

ruin our Poor for ever, who dare not set up Manufactures they know will

not be worn. Surely in a Kingdom where no body looks to his own

Affairs, as they are connected with the Publick, 'tis Time the Publick

shou'd look to every Bodies. What a melancholy Prospect is it, to see

fine Cloaths, fine Equipages, fine Race Horses, fine Laces, fine

Dishes, deep Play and deep Drinking, the Glory and delight of our

People of Fashion; and Ease, and Sloth, and Sleep, and Potatoes, the

chief Joy of our Lifeless neglected Natives. Is not such a Nation like

a Ship set on Fire on one end, and sinking by a thousand Shot-holes and

Leaks, at the other? If we were a little frugal, we might the better

bear the Loss we undergo by our Idleness and Inactivity; but when our

Gentlemen sacrifice so much to their Pleasures, and our Ladies to their

Finery, both which they wisely seek for from foreign Productions, we

must be undone unless we prevent our Destruction, by resolving to Work

and be busy. There is no Alternative----, one of these two Things we

must do; we must either be less Mad for the Manufactures and Products

of other Nations, or we must enlarge our Industry, and make Reprisals

thereby on our Neighbours, in order to keep our People alive and easy

while they are Living. Possibly I may have said this before, _Tom_, and

probably I shall say it again, for a full Heart and a troubled Mind, is

apt to deal in Repetitions, when they grow almost desperate, and see

little hope of a Change for the better.

PRIOR. Dear _Dean_, I own I shou'd be glad to contradict you, as to

these dismal Representations of Things; but I have learn'd since I left

a false World, to love Truth, tho' it be ever so strong against us, or

puts us and our Actions in ever so bad a Light. It is too certain

Industry and Frugality are the two great Sources of Prosperity in all

Nations; and it is a mortifying Reflection to consider what a miserable

Share we have in either of them here. 'Tis as certain if we be Frugal

and Industrious, we must be easy and happy, as that we must be wretched

and miserable, if we continue our Love to Expence and our hatred to

Labour. Nay Frugality and Wealth, which is the Consequence of it, will

not do, unless we are diligent Workers too; for _Spain_ is a Proof, and

so is _Portugal_, that even Hoards of Money will not enrich a Nation,

unless their Gold is used to promote Industry among the meaner Sort,

and to raise their Thoughts above Sleep, and Rags, and Dirt, and

Inactivity.

SWIFT. Very true, _Tom_, and indeed one wou'd hope unless Heaven has

irrecoverably doom'd us to Destruction, there are sufficient Remains of

common Sense and Honesty left among our Countrymen, to new form our

Manners in these Regards, and improve their ways of Thinking and

Acting. In such Case, they may in two or three Centuries learn to

believe, Frugality and Industry, Arts and Manufactures worth

encouraging, and their Luxury and Debauchery, and an utter Absence of

all Regard to the Publick, worth Reforming. It is a shocking Truth to

say all this wou'd be done, if Men wou'd but own themselves oblig'd,

and wou'd therefore resolve to behave, like reasonable Creatures: And

yet this is a Point as hard to bring about, as if we were arguing with

_Hottentots_, and persuading _Tartars_ to forbear publick Plunders, and

to have some regard to Right and Wrong, and the real Happiness and

Misery of themselves and their Posterity.

PRIOR. I agree with you entirely, Mr. _Dean_, and indeed if we cou'd

cure our national Ailments by Writing and Speaking, as People who

profess removing Disorders, by Words and Charms, what you and I and

some others have Publish'd, might have done the Work: But alas!

pressing Industry and Frugality on many of our People, who have been

train'd up to Sloth and Squandering, is but of equal Efficacy with

preaching up Temperance to Sots, or Cleanliness to Negroes, when their

Habits and Vices are all against you. The Church of _Rome_ has plac'd

_Purgatory_ in the North-West of _Ireland_, which was then one of the

remotest wildest Parts of the Earth; and tho' I have reason to believe,

they now Wish, they had removed it something more out of View, yet I am

sure there is no Part of the Globe, so fit a _Purgatory_ for Sloth as

_Ireland_, or where People so generally pay St. _Paul_'s Penalty for

not Working, by not Eating.

SWIFT. If due Care was taken, this natural Supineness of our lower

People, might be soon turn'd into Activity and Vivacity, by letting

them see and feel the Sweets of Labour, and convincing them by Fact and

Experience, that when once the Poor are made industrious, they turn all

they Touch to Gold, like _Midas_'s Fingers of famous Memory. As to our

sleepy Countrymen, I cannot but say that it is a Pity, where Men are

commanded to give one Day of the Week, to doing nothing but Acts of

Piety, they don't regard the other Part of the Law, and labour the

other Six. This at least shou'd be the Magistrate's, and the human

Legislator's Business; but really there is no Law made, nor Care taken

about it, but every Body overlooks this plain neglected Truth, that Men

ought to be as accountable to the Magistrate, for their Time as their

Actions, and as punishable for wasting it. But our _Irish_ seem

actually to have mistaken the divine Commandment, and it is well their

Priests did not leave it out of the Decalogue, as they did the Second.

They manage, as if they thought God had bid them be idle six Days of

the Week, and Work but one, and very moderately on that one. I have

often met in Authors, and think the Assertion true, that the very

Genius of the Popish Religion indisposes Men to Labour; as we see by

their numerous Holidays, Feasts and Fasts: All which are direct Enemies

to Toil and Handy-craft, and make the returns to Work disagreeable. It

is undoubted that the Protestants out Trade and out Work the Papists;

they have (as all observe) fewer Beggars, they have fewer Drains from

their Industry, by those who sleep away their Lives in Colleges and

Nunneries; they maintain a much smaller Number of secular Priests, and

even to those, they do not prohibit Marriage, and to say no more at

present, those lazy Drones the Friars of so many different Orders, are

Cankers and Consumptions quite unknown to their Constitution. In most

Protestant Countries, more than ordinary Attention, for good political

Reasons, has been given to this great Point. In _Holland_ all are

employ'd, even the lettred World deal in Traffick and are Merchants;

nay the Deaf, the Lame, the Blind, the Dumb, and the very Dead Work.

PRIOR. The Dead Work! That is a Flight extraordinary sure, Mr. _Dean_,

and I must call on you to retract that Mistake.

SWIFT. Not at all; for tho' that Truth is a little incomprehensible in

_Ireland_, where we have no such Incitements, in _Holland_ the Statues

and Monuments of their useful and industrious Citizens, and the

Epitaphs and Praises on them, prompt and inflame the living to emulate

them, and push on their Virtue to excell, in every Art, and open every

Road to Profit and to Glory. When I was throwing away (like other

People) my Thoughts and my Time above Ground, I used often to think on

these Matters; and I fear to as little Purpose as we talk of them now.

However I must say, _Tom_, that tho' if our rich People would think and

grow Managers, and our Poor wou'd Work, and keep their Hands and their

Children busy, nine tenths of our Evils wou'd be remov'd, yet I am

convinc'd, neither of these important Points will be minded, till we

are forc'd to get better Notions of Things, by seeing the Nation ruin'd

by the want of them, as often as a Boy at School is whipt for playing

the Truant, before he will mend.

PRIOR. Ruin is as terrible a Remedy, as a deadly Sickness is a

Reformer; and I had rather hope that sumptuary Laws against Dress,

Racing, Gaming, _&c._ if we were Wise enough to make them, and

amendable enough to mind them when made, wou'd do our Business much

better. 'Tis a Misfortune for _Ireland_, that our Spendthrifts so often

run out their Lives and their Estates together, and so their Examples

are lost on us; for I ever thought it a Pity, they shou'd not live

forty or fifty Years in beggary, their own Lives are such a Torment to

them, and they become thereby such fine Scare-crows, to our young

unthinking Squanderers, when they see them all the while, standing as

it were in a kind of Pillory. Nothing keeps the _Dutch_ so frugal as

their Loads of high Taxes, for some good Author, (and I think 'tis your

old Friend Sir _William Temple_) tells us, one cannot have a Dish of

well dressed Fish at a Tavern in _Holland_, without paying near thirty

Gabels for it. We want some Remedy for our Extravagancies of all Kinds

greatly, but this is so shocking a one, that one wou'd hope the very

fear of it might cure us, as some Men have renounc'd their

Intemperance, by their dread of the Gout and the Doctor. Without some

such helps, our fine Gentlemen seem not inclined to learn or consider,

that we shou'd save immense Sums to our Country, if we eat Corn of our

own sowing, drunk home-made Wines of our own Brewing, fed on Fish of

our own catching, burn'd Coals of our own raising, and wore no Cloaths

that were not of our own manufacturing. If they were once convinced of

this, good Effects wou'd follow, and we shou'd soon acknowledge that it

is barely owing to our own Extravagance, Thoughtlesness, Sleepiness,

Drunkenness and Vanity, that we don't, with one Voice, condemn and

renounce such evident Errors, in our national Conduct, and fix on their

Remedies.

SWIFT. This _Tom_, is merely dreaming of a publick Cure for an

epidemical Distemper, as _Curtius_ says _Ptolomy_ did; but we shou'd

not only get our Gentlemen, to think for the Nation and themselves; for

we want severe Laws to cure the Laziness and Indolence of our lower

People. As Idleness is the great Source of Theft, picking and filching,

the natural Punishment of at least all smaller Criminals, seems to be

hard Labour for Life, or Years. We see in _France_ and _Spain_ they man

their Gallies this way, and in _Sweden_ and _Denmark_ they employ them

in their publick Works, and chiefly about their Shipping and their

Docks. No Punishment cou'd be more terrifying to an _Irishman_, who we

generally think is averse to Labour; none cou'd be more useful to our

distressed Land, where we lose more People by doing Nothing, than are

destroy'd by the Wars and Conquests, the Voyages and Traffick of other

Kingdoms. On this Account we shou'd take Care, that Idlers, Beggars and

vagabond Strollers, shou'd be treated with the Sharpest Rigour, as they

do not only deny to assist their Country by their honest Endeavours,

but live like Drones on the Spoil of the Industrious. It shou'd be a

Maxim in every well governed State, but especially in _Ireland_, that

Idleness shou'd be as severely punish'd as petty Larceny; and to beg

with an Ability to Work, shou'd be regarded and treated as a Kind of

training up Youth for Stealing, (when they have learn'd the proper Cant

and Tricks of their Apprenticeship) and consequently to relieve a

Vagabond, shou'd be as faulty and as corrigible as receiving stolen

Goods. The proper Place for the Relief of sturdy Beggars, is a good

County Work-house, where the Labours of such Vagabonds (and indeed of

all Criminals till they are Tried and Discharg'd) shou'd go to the

Maintainance of such Poor, who are utterly incapable of Work, and whose

Parishes can't support them.

PRIOR. I am quite in your way of Thinking on this Subject, Mr. _Dean_,

I remember Doctor _Basire_ in his Life of Bishop _Cosin_, tells us that

in several Years Travels in _Turky_ and _Holland_, he never once met a

Man who ask'd him an Alms; so that here we see the Wisdom of the State

may have the same Effect with the Laws of God among the _Jews_, which

prohibited any Beggar to be a Burthen, or a Disgrace to their Tribes.

Charity to Vagabonds is Cruelty to the State, which is interested as

the Civil Law, and our own Statutes speak, that every Member of the

Community, should use his Labour and his Substance, to the best

Advantage. Every Stroller or Vagabond is a Loss to the Kingdom, and is

little better than a licenc'd Plunderer of our People, and every such

Person, is really a living Instance of Neglect or Ignorance in those,

who shou'd give us by Law a proper Power and Place, to force him to

earn his Bread by his Hands. Whoever has Health and wants Food, shou'd

be oblig'd to Work one way or other, for if Idleness was always

punish'd by our Statutes with severe Labour, as surely as Felony is by

Death, it would then like Thieving be confin'd to the Night, and we

shou'd be at least good Day Labourers. The Strength of the political

Body, depends as much on its Members being properly exercised, as that

of the natural, and on the Neglect of it, infinite Disorders follow.

But alas, _Dean_, this is not enough attended to in _Ireland_, or we

shou'd have Work-Houses in every County, but we have the peculiar

Misfortune of having this dreadful Mixture in our Circumstances; that

we have all the Vices, Extravagancies, and Luxury of a rich Nation,

with all the Wants, the Distresses and Despair of a poor one. If once

our Gentry and Nobility wou'd set us fair Examples of Frugality and

Activity, we shou'd soon reform, but alas! great Estates, as we use

them, seem design'd for little else but the Triflers of the World, and

the wretched Fashions, Fopperies and Fooleries, they are generally

thrown away on. However it is certain, Providence appointed them for

nobler Purposes, and it were to be wish'd the present Stewards of them

(for they are evidently nothing more) wou'd seriously consider this,

that they may be able to give the Bestower a better Account of them.

SWIFT. I was saying so every Day, for the last fifty Years of my

Slavery among Men, and all to no Purpose! But there is another Matter

that makes me fear for the Welfare of _Ireland_, and that is the want

of proper Manufactures being set up there. I see _Tom_, you are ready

to bawl out to me, the _Irish_ Cambricks, the _Irish_ Linens, but alas!

even as to them I am sorry to say, they wou'd do _Great Britain_ and

_Ireland_ twice the Service, if they were doubly encouraged, and not

left to creep to those Provinces, where they might go with a brisker

Progress, if the Funds of the Trustees were enlarg'd, or their Premiums

more happily applied. But I leave that, _Tom_, to Time and the

Legislature, for the Manufactures which I lament the want of, are those

which enrich _France_, _Germany_ and _Holland_; such as those of Brass,

Tin, Copper, Lead and Iron Work, in all their amazing Species; those of

Glass, Tapestry, Hats, Silk, Leather, Paper, Pins, Needles, Lace,

Earthen-Ware, and Numbers of others, of which our own Island can

largely supply the Materials, if we wou'd make use of them. Whether it

proceeds from our Ignorance or our Poverty, our before mentioned

Laziness, or want of Capacity I cannot say; but Arts and Manufactures

seem to be discourag'd so remarkably, in this unthinking and unthought

of Island, as if we wou'd fain obtain the Name, of _Omnium bonarum

Artium noverca_, formerly as I remember given to _Scythia_. Even those

few Attempts we make to deserve well in some of them, are brow-beaten

or neglected by our People of Fashion. This is a Complaint I must often

make, and can never be too often repeated in their Ears, as without

their Help no Workmen, how industrious soever, can thrive. 'Tis

miserable that our polite People, will not be content to Ruin their own

Families by their extravagant Finery, but their Country too, and all

who dare endeavour to exert a little Industry in home Manufactures.

Surely the Wearers of all Foreign Goods, and especially the Fair Sex,

do not believe, or do not consider, that they deliberately starve their

own poor Countrymen and their Families, by making them Work in vain.

They shou'd in Pity, in Generosity, in Justice reflect, that since we

are not allowed to Export our Silk and Woollen Goods abroad, the least

that every Friend to _Ireland_ can do, is to encourage them so far, as

to wear them at Home, tho' they do not quite come up to those that are

Imported to us. Tho' we are terribly impoverish'd by this fondness for

Goods which other Nations send us, it is still some Comfort, that there

is no Law to force us to it as yet, and that the whole of this dreadful

Ruin, is grounded on our own Humours, which a little thinking, some

Charity, and a general Poverty, may remove in Time. I know no reason,

why a Thousand beautiful Faces I have seen in _Ireland_, shou'd desire

to look lovelier than Nature, and the Produce of their native Kingdom

can make them: And for our Gentlemen (if they are Gentlemen) they

shou'd take a Pride in wearing nothing but what is wrought in _Irish_

Looms, and make it a Case of Conscience, like Archbishop _King_, Bishop

_Berkeley_, and Crowds of Patriots I cou'd Name, to be cloathed by our

own People. The _Dutch_ I am told, have lately issued a Placart,

forbidding all their Subjects (excepting Day-Labourers who are too poor

to trangress it) to wear any Silk or Woollen Goods not Fabricated in

their Provinces. The greatest Personages are restrain'd herein by

severe Penalties, and tho' we cannot make such a Law, (nor perhaps

shou'd not desire it in Respect to one Country at least) yet certainly

we shou'd form general Resolutions, and try to Establish an universal

Custom (which is equal to any Law) of Feeding and Encouraging our own

Workmen and Tradesmen.

PRIOR. Laws, Mr. _Dean_, are not so much wanting, as the Will to favour

our own Goods, and our own People; and surely as you observe, all who

please, may determine in their several Families, to use the Produce of

our _Irish_ Looms; and in the mean Time I cannot but make this sad

Reflection, that if Industry and Labour be the great Standard of Value

in most Things, what (under such Discouragements) can our unemploy'd

Country be worth, which except our Linens, sends abroad all the

Materials for Labour to others, and lies abed like a _Spaniard_,

burning Day-Light, and proud of doing Nothing.

SWIFT. I remember to have Read, when I used to lose Time upon Men and

Books, that among the _Turks_, every Man of them learns some Trade or

other. This Fashion they probably borrow'd from the _Jews_, who made it

a Maxim, that he who does not give his Son a Trade, teaches him to be a

Thief: And yet till our Protestants Taught the _Irish_ better Manners,

a Trade was as seldom learn'd as a Psalter. It is true of late Years

this Folly has been pretty much subdued, and Numbers of our Natives

have distinguish'd themselves, by their Skill in different Arts and

Handicrafts, but till this Humour wears off, of slighting whatever is

wrought at Home, it were better they had learn'd to Fast than to Work.

We keep Crowds of our Artificers naked who well-deserve to be cloathed;

many are as ill hutted as so many _Greenlanders_ or _Russian_ Peasants,

who ought to be well housed, if any one thought them worth taking Care

of and Encouraging. But what is still more unhappy, Thousands of them

are forced for fear of Jails and Beggary, to run from us to wiser

Countries, where they and their Arts are well receiv'd and favour'd by

our Enemies or Rivals, whose Industry and Exports they Encrease, and

thereby help to Starve the Friends they have forsaken. One wou'd expect

common Charity to them and ourselves, and common Sense in conducting

our general Interests, wou'd not only have remov'd this main Obstacle

to the Prosperity of _Ireland_, but wou'd also put us on setting up all

Kinds of new Manufactures, which we still want; let it cost us ever so

much for setling them here, and Nursing them till they get Strength, to

shift for themselves. It is certain the Publick can hardly pay too dear

for such improveable Purchases, for unquestionably where the Advantages

are so considerable, saving in such Cases is meanness and madness.

PRIOR. You are ever Tolling the passing Bell of _Ireland_, and yet my

fears that there is too much Reason for all you advance, keep me from

opposing you; when you censure the Stupidity of our Management, in

regard of every Measure that can hurt us or serve us. I spent half my

Life in exclaiming in the same Manner, and I might as well have spoke

to the Inhabitants of these Tombstones. There is one Particular, which

with Grief I must add to all your Complaints, and it is a very

discouraging one as to any Hopes of our Recovery, namely, that this

Island is made up of two of the most unhappy Mixtures a Kingdom can

consist of, a Multitude of Gentlemen and Beggars. The first have not

Time from their Pleasures, and their own petty Interests, to think of

serving us, and the others cannot either serve themselves or us,

without Wages, Food or Raiment, which they cannot get, unless we allow

them to Purchase them by their Labours. In short, Mr. _Dean_, while our

Ladies scorn to wear any Thing that is _Irish_, and our Gentlemen pride

themselves who shall Drink most _French_ Wine; they both Teach their

Inferiors the same dreadful Folly, and make them join to enrich their

Enemies, Beggar their own Workmen, exalt _France_, and sink _Ireland_,

and drive every Creature that has Genius or Industry out of it, to

Places as we observed before, where they can hope to get the

Necessaries of Life by their Industry.

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