DR. J.L. TAYLER,

[Page: 114] referring to Professor Geddes' remarks on the working

craftsman and the thinking craftsman, said he believed that in a country

like England, where the prevailing tendencies of thought and action were

of an essentially practical nature, many people who now felt contempt

for higher mental ideals would alter their views, if this idea of the

_causal_ relationship between thinkers and workers could be driven home.

If business men and women could be made to realise that in the higher

regions of pure science there were always to be found some thinkers who

belonged to the same craft or trade as they themselves, they would

naturally tend to rely on these thinkers when dealing with problems that

necessitate a wide mental outlook.

Moreover, the thought that students of great mental powers studied the

objects with which working craftsmen were in daily contact, could not

fail to deepen, refine and purify their more practical and, in some

respects, grosser aims; while the knowledge that every science-study had

an industrial as well as a scientific aspect would make the thinking

craftsmen more alive to the needs of everyday existence.

Such conceptions, if spread through all classes of our community, would

inevitably change the feeling of distrust of learning into one of

healthful enthusiasm, and give in addition a unity and direction to our

various life pursuits which might in time generate a true modern

national spirit; for it is precisely this divorce of mental and

physical, of theoretical and practical, class and individual

effort--which such a thinking and working craft theory would

rectify--that destroys our efficiency by creating an unreal chasm

between refined and unrefined, learned and unlearned, where there should

be only a progressive evolution from the lower to the higher, from the

immediate practical to the ultimate ideal.

THE REV. DR. AVELING said:

There was one point that the lecturer made which, I think, might be a

fit and fruitful subject for discussion. He said that we were the

product of the city. To a great extent that is undoubtedly true; but on

the other hand, he advocated an improvement in the conditions of

environment, to be brought about by our own endeavours. Therefore, the

city can be shaped and made by us. What, then, is the exact value to be

given to the seemingly contradictory doctrines that the individual is

the product of the city and also that the city is the product of the

citizen? The establishing of some fixed relation between--or the

adjusting of the relations of--these two causes of social progress would

be, I think, interesting to the philosopher, and useful to the

economist. The problem is [Page: 115] without doubt a difficult one, but

its solution would be of great value. I do not venture to offer any

answer to the question I raise--I merely state it.

MR. A.W. STILL said:

We have been passing through a period in which the city has created a

type of man so wholly absorbed in the promotion of his own individual

interests that he tends almost entirely to forget the social obligations

which ought to make the greatest appeal to him. We may take some hope

from what Professor Geddes has said, that the time is coming when we

shall bring the force of our own characters to bear on our environment,

and endeavour to break away from conditions which have made us the

slaves of environment. I know the lovely little garden city of

Bourneville intimately, and some of the experiments in other quarters.

But in the common expansion of cities, I have seen that as the people

get away from one set of slums, they are creating new areas which will

become as degraded and abominable as those which are left behind. It has

always seemed to me that there is room for good work by some committee,

or some body of men, who would be voluntary guardians of the city's

well-being, who would make it their business to acquire all that

knowledge which Professor Geddes has just put before us in terms so

enchanting, and would use all the ability that they possess in order to

lead the minds of the community towards the cultivation of the best and

highest ideals in civic life. I do not think it need be regarded as

impossible that, from an association of this kind, such a movement as I

have mentioned should spring. I conceive the possibility of each group

developing into a trust, capable of acting in the interests of the city

in years to come, exercising a mighty influence, being relied upon for

guidance, and administering great funds for the common good. If we could

get in each of our populous centres a dozen thoroughly intelligent

broad-minded men, capable of watching all the streams of tendency--all

the developments of civic life, bringing their judgment to bear on its

progress, and urging the public to move in the right direction, a great

service might be rendered. At least once a year, these little groups of

men might meet together at some general conference, and, by the exchange

of their opinions and by the mutual helpfulness of intellectual

intercourse, raise up and perfect civic ideals which would be a boon to

this country. We suffer at present, I think, from the too great

particularisation of our efforts. We get one man devoting himself

exclusively to a blind asylum, another seeming to take no interest in

anything but a deaf-and-dumb institute or the like, and yet another

devoting himself to charity organisation. It is all excellent work, but

the difficulty is to get broad, comprehensive views taken of the common

good. To reduce poverty and to check physical degeneracy, there must be

an effort continuously made to [Page: 116] raise the tone of the

environment in which we live. The home and the city need to be made

wholesome and beautiful, and the people need to be encouraged to enlarge

their minds by contact with nature, and by the study of all that is

elevating and that increases the sum of social responsibility.

MR. E.S. WEYMOUTH said:

He found it somewhat difficult to see what was to be the practical

outcome of civics if studied in the way proposed. Would Professor Geddes

consider it the duty of any Londoner, who wished to study sociology

practically, to map out London, and also the surrounding districts, with

special reference to the Thames River Basin, as appeared to be suggested

in both Professor Geddes' papers? Looking at civics in its practical or

ethical aspect, he was bound to confess that, though he had acquired a

tolerable knowledge of the geography of the Thames Basin, he did not

feel it helped him materially towards becoming a better citizen of

London. Would Professor Geddes wish them to study, first, London with

its wealth side by side with its squalor and filth, and then proceed to

study another large town, where the same phenomena presented themselves?

What gain would there be in that proportionate to the labour entailed?

In his own case, so disheartened had he felt by observing that all their

efforts, public and private, for the improvement of their civic

conditions seemed to end in raising considerably the rents of the ground

landlords of London, while leaving the bulk of the population engaged in

a hard struggle for their existence, that he had for years past found it

difficult to take much interest in municipal affairs, so long as the

rates and taxes were--as it seemed to him--put upon the wrong shoulders.

And for the study of civics, he had preferred to turn to those cities

where efforts were being made to establish communal life on what seemed

to him juster conditions. In 1897, he was struck with the title of an

article in the "Daily Telegraph." It was headed, "The Land of Beauty,

Society without Poverty, Life without Care." He found the article was a

description of Durban in Natal. The writer attributed the prosperity of

this town to the fact that the suburbs were kept in the hands of the

community, instead of being handed over to private owners who would

absorb all the unearned increment. Even if this eulogium betrayed

exaggeration still a student of civics might feel that the economic

conditions of that town were worth studying. Similarly, in New Zealand,

the adoption in 1891 of the tax on land values brought prosperity to the

towns, and changed the tide of emigration from New Zealand into

immigration. Again, at home they had Bourneville, Port Sunlight, and

that most interesting of all present-day experiments in this country,

the Garden City, all of these being founded by men with ideals. He could

not help feeling [Page: 117] that a student of civics, possessed of such

a fair working knowledge of the city he lived in as most of them might

reasonably lay claim to, would make more real progress by studying the

success or failure of social experiments, than by entering on the very

formidable task that seemed to be set before them by Professor Geddes.

However, when they left abstract civics, as they had it portrayed to

them in these papers, and turned to the architectural or the historical

side of concrete civics, there should be no better guide than Professor

Geddes, whose labours in Edinburgh, and whose projected schemes for the

improvement of Dunfermline, were becoming widely known.

MR. TOMKINS (_of the London Trades Council_) said:

If before any person was allowed to serve on our different public

bodies, he should be required to attend a course of lectures such as

those given by Professor Geddes on civics, that would surely be a means

of developing his social interests, and would tend to eliminate that

self-interest which too often actuated public men. There was nothing

more difficult than for workmen to-day to be able to take larger views.

The workman's whole business was now so different from what is was in

the days of the arts and crafts guilds of the Middle Ages; they now

found him ground down into some little division of industry, and it was

quite impossible for him to work in his own way. Thus he got

narrow-minded, because concentrated on some minor process. He was kept

at work with his nose to the mill the whole time, and it became too

exhausting for him to try and take these larger views of life. He often

thought of the amount of talent and energy and practical beauty which

was wasted in our workshops to-day. Referring to the Garden Cities of

this country and the United States, Mr. Tomkins said the idea of getting

great Trusts to use their money in a social spirit, and not merely to

get the workers tied to their mills, was really something which opened

out a vista of grand possibilities in the future; but if any movement

was to be successful it would be necessary to teach the great masses of

workers, and to create a real sound social public opinion amongst them.

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