PROFESSOR GEDDES' reply

Professor Geddes, in replying to the discussion, said he entirely agreed

with the point made by Mr. Swinny, and he should just like to correct

what he had said in his lecture by reference to what he meant by a civic

museum. In Edinburgh, he had in his museum a large room, with a

geographical model [Page: 118] of the old town with its hill-fort, and

so on; and he hung round this maps and diagrams of historical and

geographical details. On the opposite side of the room, he had a symbol

of the market-cross, which stood for the centre of its municipal life,

of its ideals and independence of environment. Around it was grouped

what represented the other side of the city; and here he might answer

another point, and say that they could never settle the great

philosophical controversy of determinism and free-will. They would

always incline when young to the novel of circumstance, and later, to

the novel of character, but they should always feel that life was a game

of individual skill with interfering circumstances. These diagrams of

his were only the page split. On the one side, he meant to push to the

extreme the idea that the place makes us, and on the other side, that we

make the place. By what process do men struggle towards the selection of

their ideals? They find themselves within the grasp of their

environment, their whole heritage of culture, of good and ill, the whole

tradition of the past; but they must select certain elements of

these--the elements that seem to them good, and so they might escape

from the manner of the city. Pointing to a drawing of the old Scotch

bawbee, Professor Geddes said it was not a very dignified symbol of the

coinage of the world, but let them mark how it had on the one side the

hammerman at his work, with his motto "_Beat deus artem_," and, on the

other side, a larger legend, with the eagle of the empire and the lamb

of Saint John.

To return to his civic museum: the room below the one he had described

was the larger museum for Scotland, and in the room below that, again,

the museum for England, Ireland and America, the whole English-speaking

world--not the Empire only. And the whole stood on a museum and library

representing that larger evolution of the occidental civilisation which

showed them they were merely children of the past. Professor Geddes

pleaded for museums in which every city displayed its own past and

present, but related itself to the whole of Europe and the whole

occident.

One or two practical questions of great importance had [Page: 119] been

raised; but, with all respect, he submitted that they could consider

what was practical and practicable without requiring to go into the

question of taxing land. That was a matter of political opinion. It was

as if they were discussing the geology of coal, which they could do,

without reference to coal royalties. Mr. Weymouth was with them on the

subject of preserving old buildings; and he thought there was a great

deal to be learned, if Mr. Weymouth would descend the valley of the

Thames once more. It was of great importance if he found a great city at

the tidal limit. Going down the Thames and the Tay, they would find, at

the last ford of one, the old Abbey of Westminster, and at the last ford

of the other, the old Abbey of Scoon. The kings of England and Scotland

were crowned there because these were the most important places--a point

of great historic interest. As a matter of practical interest, he might

mention that Scoon and Westminster alike passed out of supreme

importance when bridges were built across the river below; and he would

next point out how just as Perth became of subordinate importance when

the great Tay Bridge was built, so it became a tremendously important

question to London, as it might in turn be much affected by the making

of a great and a new bridge much further down the stream. This study of

the descending river had real and practical, as well as historical

importance. He had been about considerably in the great cities of the

United States, and had been struck by the amount of good endeavour

there. It was not, however, by denouncing Tammany that they could beat

it, but by understanding it. They must understand the mechanism by which

the Celtic chieftain ruled his clan, and they must deal with these

methods by still other methods; and they might often find it more

satisfactory to re-moralise the chieftain than to destroy him.

Professor Geddes concluded by saying that he appreciated the admirable

suggestion of Mr. Still towards the evolution of civic unions. He was

sure Mr. Still had there an idea of great significance which might be

developed.

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