DISCUSSION

The Chairman (THE RT. HON. CHARLES BOOTH) said:

I feel always the inspiring character of Professor Geddes' addresses. He

seems to widen and deepen the point of view, and to widen and deepen

one's own ideas, and enables us to hold them more firmly and better than

one can do without the aid of the kind of insight Professor Geddes has

given into the methods of his own mind. I believe that we all hold our

conceptions by some sort of tenure. I am afraid I hold mine by columns

and statistics much underlined--a horrible prosaic sort of arrangement

on ruled paper. I remember a lady of my acquaintance who had a place for

everything. The discovery of America was in the left-hand corner; the

Papacy was in the middle; and for everything she had some local

habitation in an imaginary world. Professor Geddes is far more ingenious

than that, and it is most interesting and instructive and helpful to

follow these charming diagrams which spring evidently from the method he

himself uses in holding and forming his conceptions. That it is of the

utmost value to have large conceptions there can be no doubt--large

conceptions both in time and place, large conceptions of all those

various ideas to which he has called our attention. By some means or

other we have to have them; and having got them, every individual,

single fact has redoubled value. We put it in its place. So I hope that

in our discussion, while we may develop each in his own way, the mental

methods we pursue, we may bring forward anything that strikes us as

germane, as a practical point of application to the life of the world,

and especially anything having an application to the life of London. I

would make my contribution to that with regard to a scheme that has been

explained to me by its originator, Mrs. Barnett, the wife of Canon

Barnett of Toynbee Hall. The idea concerns an open [Page: 113] space

which has recently been secured in Hampstead. It is known to you all

that a certain piece of ground belonging to the trustees of Eton College

has been secured, which extends the open space of Hampstead Heath in

such a way as to protect a great amount of beauty. The further proposal

is to acquire an estate surrounding that open space which has now been

secured for ever to the people, and to use this extension to make what

is called a "garden suburb." It is a following out of the "garden-city"

idea which is seizing hold of all our minds, and it seems to me an

exceedingly practical adaptation of that idea. Where it comes in, in

connection with the address we have just heard, is that the root idea is

that it shall bring together all the good elements of civic life. It is

not to be for one class, or one idea, but for all classes, and all

ideas--a mixed population with all its needs thought for and provided

for; and above everything, the beauty of those fields and those hills is

not to be sacrificed, but to be used for the good of the suburb and the

good of London. I hope that out of it will come an example that will be

followed. That is a little contribution I wish to make to the discussion

to-day, and if I can interest any one here in forwarding it, I shall be

exceedingly glad.

MR. SWINNY said:

Towards the close of his lecture, Professor Geddes remarked that the

cities of America inherited a great part of their civilisation from

Greece and Rome and the Europe of the Middle Age. I believe that thought

will lead us to consider the point whether this geographical survey

should precede or follow a general historical survey. Now, if we

consider that a river valley in England, with the towns in that valley,

are part of the English nation, and that the English nation has shared

in the general historical evolution of Western Europe, it would seem

that the first simplification the question allows of is: What is there

in the historical development of that city that is common to the whole

of Western Europe, and what is peculiar to its position as an English

city? And the second simplification that the problem allows of is to

consider what part of the evolution of a particular city is due to its

peculiar position in that river valley? So that it seems necessary first

to get a general idea of the historical evolution of England and the

West; and then you can proceed to consider what is due to the part

played by the city in that evolution. Thus you have to consider not so

much the city as a result of its immediate environment, but the effect

of its environment in modifying the general course of civilisation as it

affected that city.

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