MR. OLCOTT: Mr. President, I am glad something is going to be done about

the state vice presidents. I also have proposed that the state vice

presidents be brought into line. Mr. Spencer has made a very good

suggestion for them and that is to encourage friendly competition in

dressing up yards, one section against another. If the state vice

presidents would use that suggestion in getting new members I believe it

would be a good thing. I believe also, as I have said many times that

the state vice presidents should be the local directors of a state

association subsidiary to this one, that Ohio, for instance, should have

an association of Ohio nut growers. If they can't meet then let them

correspond back and forth. Certainly the nut growers of Ohio should know

each other and be brought in to correspondence. They could do that

through an association of which our state vice president would be the

chairman or the local president. I am a great believer in organization

and I feel that the state vice presidents should amount to something.

After the state organization is started by this association in that way,

then the members of each association could elect their own chairman, if

they wish, and report it to our secretary.

THE PRESIDENT: That is along the line of the suggestion offered by

Professor Neilson this afternoon.

MR. OLCOTT: Yes. We could have a branch in Canada.

THE SECRETARY: The secretary will be glad to see that Mr. Olcott's

suggestion is incorporated in the letters to the state vice presidents.

MR. JONES: We would be glad to make up a mailing list and turn it over

to the secretary if he should want to circularize in making this offer

or any other offer for memberships.

THE PRESIDENT: If we could get this thing where it ought to be it is

possible that we might be able to induce the secretary to give his

entire attention to the interests of the Northern Nut Growers

Association. He would have to have a lucrative salary of course. That is

one of my ambitions. I am frank to state it here right now.

Then the Northern Nut Growers Association would be the thing that it is

supposed to be, the thing that it is not at the present time when we're

meeting with a deficit every year. I hope and believe, in fact it must

be, that this is the last time we are going to meet with a deficit. We

are going to have a good surplus next year or what is the use of going

on?

MR. SPENCER: The governors of three or four of the states met in Chicago

not very long ago to consider the interests of the states that center

around Chicago. The people in Illinois don't know that the Forest

Reserve covers sixteen thousand acres and that it has English walnuts

growing just as nicely as you have them here. That knowledge hasn't been

spread. Also there are people who are propagating nut trees in Illinois

and southern Indiana. Now if our vice presidents in Indiana, Illinois,

Ohio and Missouri, which is the native home of most every kind of

hickory, would get together and go to any one of the central cities of

those particular states, call a meeting of their customers in that

neighborhood, and spread a knowledge of this association I think that we

could build up a local interest that would advertise this organization

wonderfully.

You have got to advertise and you must show to the common people who are

going to be your members, who are going to be interested in nut trees,

that they are valuable; that an ordinary acre of nut trees is worth ten

times the value of any crop of wheat raised in Illinois, and Illinois is

the wheat country. Before the hard wheat was discovered in Minnesota the

whole south half of Illinois was given to wheat. But now so far as white

wheat is concerned, and spring wheat, it isn't wanted and the result is

that you have got to get something else into that country. Now that

wheat country of southern Illinois is a natural nut country. Pecans,

persimmons, chinkapins, grow wild all over there, and there is no reason

why that land, which can be bought for from ten and fifteen dollars an

acre up to twenty-five, according to the improvements, if the oil rights

are eliminated, can't be made to produce a hundred to five hundred

dollars an acre. If that is so, why not do it?

Today, Illinois has over 11,000,000 bearing apple trees, and they raise

just as good apples there as any where, but they haven't got the

organization, they don't advertise, and we don't know it generally. If

we can organize and distribute our information, get these vice

presidents from two or three cities to join with the chambers of

commerce and have a meeting down at Evansville, among the nut growers,

for instance, the growers of Indiana pecans, and see what they grow, and

what they are worth, why then you can get the people interested. You

must have somebody that is interested in the propagation of a new idea.

Don't get somebody who just comes here for a good time without any

desire particularly of learning anything. If he doesn't want to learn we

don't want him.

THE SECRETARY: I understand that, in view of the very generous offer of

the president to get a hundred new members in the ensuing year, and of

the pledge of ten other men to get ten more members, or turn in the

necessary amount to the treasury, each of us goes forth from the meeting

tonight with the understanding that he is morally under obligations to

do what the other members have promised to do.

THE PRESIDENT: It would be a nice thing to give a Christmas gift of a

membership in this association and a subscription to the American Nut

Journal. A great many of us receive Christmas gifts which are

appreciated when received, and maybe for a week or ten days, two weeks

or a month, and then they're forgotten; but this membership and the

American Nut Journal that one would receive every month, would be a

constant reminder of the giver. What do you think of that, ladies and

gentlemen?

THE SECRETARY: It is a fine idea, Mr. President, and I will see that it

is also incorporated in the letters to the state vice president that

each vice president give to at least one friend a subscription and

membership in the association. I suggest also that those who can write

for the magazines and the journals get up little articles for the

horticultural papers about nut culture. There can't be too many of those

in the periodicals.

THE PRESIDENT: Apropos of that suggestion, I believe Mr. Tucker has

something to say in regard to a special edition of the Journal. Maybe

Mr. Olcott would be good enough to make one of his--

MR. TUCKER: (Interrupting) To make one of his numbers a convention

number.

THE PRESIDENT: Yes; one of the numbers in the near future devoted

largely to the proceedings of this convention, that is, if he could see

his way clear to do it.

MR. OLCOTT: You mean in the matter of--

THE PRESIDENT: (Interrupting) Of this convention. Sort of make it a

northern nut growers issue. It is merely a suggestion, Mr. Olcott.

MR. OLCOTT: Yes.

THE PRESIDENT: So that it is practically all about this convention of

the Northern Nut Growers Association.

MR. OLCOTT: Yes. Well, it is rather difficult to do that, Mr. President,

to the exclusion of all other matter. Is that what you mean? How are we

going to take care of the news? It is not a magazine of stories and

fiction; it is a magazine of news, and the news of the period between

August 15th and September 15th, for instance, will become stale if it is

not used in the September 15th issue and runs over until the October

15th issue. It is the American Nut Journal. I think your idea can be

carried out very fully by featuring the convention as the main thing,

but not to use every last page for it.

MR. TUCKER: No. My idea wasn't to give the whole magazine up to that.

But when you got up that magazine, to have the northern nut growers

convention stick right out.

MR. OLCOTT: Sure.

THE PRESIDENT: Wasn't it your idea to have some of the pictures, too?

MR. OLCOTT: I see.

MR. TUCKER: Yes; run some of the pictures, and so forth.

THE PRESIDENT: Mr. Olcott, I am sure, is willing to give that issue just

as soon as we can get more members and more money.

MR. OLCOTT: We are carrying the nut journal on its subscription list.

There is no advertising to speak of in this pioneer industry. The nut

nurserymen do not advertise; they should. People want to know where they

can get nuts, butternuts and hickory nuts. The people in the South who

grow pecans are doing a commercial business but they don't have to

advertise; they can't furnish enough nuts to meet the demand. There is

no occasion for them to ask for customers; the customers are flocking to

their doors and standing in line. People want to know where to get

black walnuts; they write in to me. I don't know where to send them. I

don't suppose anybody has enough for his local trade and he doesn't have

to advertise; he can sell all he has. There is no advertising to speak

of. We are living on subscriptions. Now if you enlarge the Journal, use

pictures which run up all the way from six to fifteen dollars apiece,

you are soon using up your $1.50 per that is left out of the combination

membership.

THE PRESIDENT: Yes.

MR. OLCOTT: After paying the tremendously high printer rates. A special

edition can be gotten out at considerable additional cost. We have done

it in the past and come out at the small end and it took several months

to get even again. We can do it again for the sake of the association;

but I am saying this to show why it is not done oftener.

THE PRESIDENT: Yes, I understand it. What do you think, then, of a

little co-operation on the part of the association in the way of that

extra expense for a special edition?

MR. OLCOTT: That's all right. In Mr. Linton's administration I furnished

some very large and rather expensive half-tone engravings on the part of

the association and they worked in very nicely. I don't know whether the

association paid for them or whether he did. I think we divided the cost

of them.

MR. BIXBY: I know he did. I have furnished some cuts myself.

THE PRESIDENT: Yes, I know, Mr. Bixby. You are very liberal.

THE SECRETARY: I suggested also that those who can give talks before

their local horticultural societies should do so on the subject of nut

culture, and if they wish to go in to it extensively slides could be

obtained. I think that I could guarantee to obtain them from the

Department of Agriculture for illustrated lectures. I have also another

question which I would like to put before the association, and that is

if we cannot use in some way our surplus back reports to gain new

memberships. We have never been able to work out any method of doing so.

We have printed each year an edition of a thousand numbers of the annual

report. We send out two hundred and fifty or three hundred;

consequently, we have about seven hundred annual reports accumulating on

our hands every year. Now, what good are they going to be? Can't we use

those in some way to increase our membership? Can't we use those as

premiums, distribute them gratis some way or other, or distribute them

for a small sum to educational institutions, newspapers and agricultural

journals? Can't we do something with that annual surplus of about seven

hundred nut reports to increase our membership?

MR. TUCKER: Why is there a thousand of them printed?

THE SECRETARY: Because you can get a thousand for just about the same

price that you get five hundred, or a very little more.

MR. O'CONNOR: Mr. President, why couldn't some of those be sent to the

different experiment stations; also to some of our libraries? We have a

number of experiment stations that don't see anything of this kind and

that don't know that such a thing exists as the Northern Nut Growers

Association. It is only recently that within the state of Minnesota they

knew there was such a thing. I have offered a prize in that state for

nut culture work. This winter I am going to speak at the Maryland

Horticultural meeting, which will be held in Baltimore, and wherever I

can get a chance at any of those meetings I always put in a word for the

nut. Over on the eastern shore of Maryland, I went into one of the

largest apple orchards and nurseries, I believe, in the United States.

There were a few northern pecans growing in the yard, and when I asked

one of the young men what kind of pecans they were, he said, "Well, I

don't know whether it is Indiana or just what it is; but I know it is a

pecan." That was growing very beautifully right under the window, you

might say, of their dwelling house. That was over at Berlin, at Mr.

Harrison's. He likes to sell to nut tree owners, and yet has he come to

his year's meeting? Is he a member of the association? For that reason I

don't feel like helping him to sell a tree as long as he is not a

member. But every chance I get I will put in a good word for the nut

tree firm.

I think by sending out our literature to different magazines, to the

different experiment stations and over into Canada we would be greatly

benefited. We have got some good friends to the north of us. Why not

send them some copies and have them help spread this good thing along?

THE SECRETARY: I would like to have Mr. Bixby state about the

distribution of those reports outside of the membership. Is there any

gratis distribution now?

MR. BIXBY: No, there isn't. There used to be and I made every one of

them who received them gratis buy them of me.

THE SECRETARY: About how many institutions now buy the journal?

MR. BIXBY: I should say about half a dozen. That's the same number that

had them free before. In nearly every instance when they would write in

and request it I would tell them how the association was doing work the

Department of Agriculture ought to do, supporting itself with great

difficulty, and we would be glad to have them as a member; that if not a

member we would furnish a report for so much. In nearly every case we

got them as members or they bought the report. As I said before I don't

believe in giving things away; I believe in trying to get the people to

see the advantage of buying them.

THE SECRETARY: It would be quite an expense to send out all the back

numbers of the reports.

MR. BIXBY: I don't think they would appreciate them either. Although I

have not been able to do it the most practicable thing to do seems to me

to make an index, say of the first ten and bind them up in a booklet and

then I think you could sell them. I hope to do this some time.

MR. TUCKER: What is the expense of mailing?

MR. BIXBY: I think it is about eight cents.

THE SECRETARY: It would be considerable labor, but I think it might be

best to circularize different experiment stations, horticultural

societies, etc., and ask them if they wouldn't like to have in their

libraries a complete file of the reports of the Northern Nut Growers

Association which can be obtained for a certain small number of dollars.

THE PRESIDENT: Professor Neilson, what would your attitude be toward a

communication you would receive of that nature? Supposing that you were

not the enthusiastic member that you are of our association?

PROFESSOR NEILSON: I believe it would be favorable. I believe that is

general, and judging from the interest shown in our province I believe

that a good many of those horticultural societies and other

organizations would be glad to have the reports on file; they would be

glad to purchase them at whatever figure was set upon them, if it were a

reasonable figure. And I think that I could interest several of our

agricultural representatives in having these on file in their office,

and possibly in subscribing, or getting the departments of agriculture

to subscribe to the northern nut growers journal. There are several

county offices along the northern shore of Lake Ontario and in those

counties nuts are produced. I think their representatives might be

induced to persuade the department to subscribe to your journal.

PROFESSOR TAYLOR: Mr. Chairman: I want to speak on the suggestion made

by Mr. Bixby. I may illustrate it in this way: we people in California

are, of course, in a little different situation from those represented

by the Northern Nut Growers Association. Over there west of the Rockies,

or west of the Sierra Nevadas, we have an entirely different situation.

By virtue of our peculiar climatic conditions we have already gone

through our experimental period and we now have nuts that we are growing

on a commercial basis just as they have in the South.

For several years I was connected with the University of California and

I used to have to teach students, among other things, the various nuts.

That was my particular line, the various nuts, especially those

adaptable to California, but also along with that the nuts of the United

States and the nuts of North America. I believe that Mr. Bixby will bear

me out when I say that it was during my time that all of the back

reports of the Northern Nut Growers Association were ordered. That was

prior to 1919, was it not?

MR. BIXBY: Yes.

PROFESSOR TAYLOR: It was prior to 1919 that all the back numbers were

ordered, and I hope they are still taking them.

MR. BIXBY: They are. They get them every two years.

PROFESSOR TAYLOR: They ought to and if they are not I will see that they

do. But I found this difficulty, that there will very shortly be

thirteen numbers and if it comes to a question of looking something up,

we will find that the average man will not be enthusiastically

interested because he won't know how quickly he can get at just exactly

what he wants. Mr. Bixby suggested that ten of these volumes be taken

together and indexed as a unit. That is one of the finest things that

you can possibly ask for. I think the institutions will buy them in a

way that they do not now because then they will not have to look through

ten volumes to find a little idea they want.

I know it is an expensive proposition to index things of that kind; it

takes time and a lot of patience. Not only that but it must be done by

some one whose heart is in the work and who recognizes the problems that

the man who is going to use that index is going to look up. But I do

think that if it could be put in to a combined volume, and some sort of

an effort made by the various vice presidents in the different sections

to see the institutions in their own sections who would be interested,

that something might be accomplished which would be of real worth. I

believe this would be increasingly so in the future, because those

people will want to look back ten, fifteen, twenty years, and see what

the others went through. One of the biggest things that I think I did in

our classes was to point out the problems that occurred in California

ten, fifteen, twenty-five and thirty years ago, along the line of nut

culture solely, and then point out where the nut growers succeeded.

And if I may just branch off here to one of the things I haven't spoken

about before this evening, I am absolutely against planting seedling

trees unless there is a very strong emphasis laid on the fact that they

are not for commercial purposes and not for planting in orchards, but

are simply and solely for the possibility of developing new varieties. I

think that growers are going to want to go back over old reports in

order to save covering the same ground twice. We have found our new

people in California starting right in where people started fifty years

ago because they didn't know what happened fifty years ago, because our

reports out there were not properly indexed.

MR. WEBER: Mr. President, in order to bring the matter to a head, I move

that the distribution of the old reports, by sale or otherwise, be left

to the discretion of the executive committee.

(Seconded and carried.)

MR. OLCOTT: Mr. President, I would like to ask what the condition of the

treasury is. I do so for this reason, that we have planned out a good

deal to be done during the interim, from now to the next convention,

and the secretary's office ought to be busy. We are planning upon making

it so to keep up interest.

I think that the secretary shouldn't be handicapped by lack of funds for

stationery and things of that kind. I think that with a deficit maybe he

has been. Maybe more matter would go out if he had funds and to that end

I am putting in my check for $20 for my subscription tonight in advance.

If others will do that he will have funds to work with. (Applause)

THE PRESIDENT: In a discussion I had with the treasurer and the

secretary before this evening's session we considered that point, Mr.

Olcott, and I thought that we would go after the remaining deficit

tonight and make it up, start off with a clean sheet. Mr. Bixby said

that if we were going to enter into this new membership campaign in a

really generous spirit, he felt that the matter of the remaining deficit

should be taken care of.

MR. BIXBY: If we can get two hundred new members this year that will

take care of it.

THE PRESIDENT: Two hundred are already pledged.

MR. BIXBY: If we get them that will take care of it.

MR. OLCOTT: It will take to the end of the year to get the returns.

MR. WEBER: I will send my check when I get home, because I don't want to

go in to my pocketbook now.

THE PRESIDENT: What was the deficit, Mr. Bixby?

MR. BIXBY: The deficit was $176. There was pledged yesterday, $75, and

there has been $10 more today. That's $85 of the $176. Then there is $20

of Mr. Olcott's. That would make it $105. Mr. Weber, when he gets home,

will make it $125. We will clean it up one way or another.

THE SECRETARY: I think we should proceed now to the report of the

nominating committee and the selection of the next place of meeting.

THE PRESIDENT: The hour is growing late and there is just one message I

want to give you here. While it may savour some what of advertising our

filbert enterprise, it was not with that idea in mind that we proceeded

to get the information we have got. Our filberts have been distributed

through the L. W. Hall Company, nurserymen of this city, who have

exclusive sale of them at this time. They have been distributed during

the past three years over a considerable area: Illinois, Idaho, Iowa,

North Carolina, Massachusetts, Nebraska, New Hampshire, Ohio, Delaware,

New York, Kentucky, West Virginia, Virginia, Georgia, District of

Columbia, Pennsylvania and Kansas.

Some little time ago I conferred with Mr. Hall in regard to

communicating with his customers to whom he had delivered filbert

plants, the first in the spring of 1919. He has written them asking them

how the plants have done, and particularly with regard to fruit bearing.

I have the replies here and the gist of them is this: that the plants

have done finely, have been entirely satisfactory in that respect. There

has been a complaint that they have not borne; there are some instances

of extreme pleasure expressed over the way they have borne. My own idea

is, and I believe it is that of Mr. Vollertsen also, that they have not

had quite time enough yet, since the spring of 1919.

MR. BIXEY: That is not time enough.

THE PRESIDENT: Furthermore, Mr. Hall, in offering them--against our

advice as we endeavored to persuade him to offer them as improved

European filberts, assorted varieties--thought that the people would be

attracted to those unpronounceable names that we have them under. Maybe

they were. He listed some six or eight varieties, I think, and those

varieties were of our larger fruited kinds. We frankly confess that

those varieties will not bear as abundantly as the smaller fruited

varieties--not that they are very small they are quite a good sized nut.

I believe if Mr. Hall had made a freer distribution of the so-called

smaller fruited varieties that there might have been an even more

favorable report in connection with fruiting. Another year or so will

give us more definite information.

We have now cleaned up our program pretty well. You are going to find

Doctor Kellogg's paper in the report, together with the secretary's. We

have the papers here. That completes the program up to the present time

with the exception of Senator Penny and Mr. Linton. We supposed Mr.

Linton would be here. I had telephoned this morning as Mr. Penny

promised to send a paper but he hasn't been able to do so. Those are the

only two papers of the program that we haven't got.

There are two more things we have to take care of; one is the election

of officers, and the other is the selection of a place for the next

convention. I call for the report of the nominating committee.

MR. WEBER: The report of the nominating committee is as follows:

_President:_--JAMES S. MCGLENNON.

_Vice President:_--J. F. JONES.

_Secretary:_--WILLIAM C. DEMING.

_Treasurer:_--WILLARD G. BIXBY.

(Signed)

ROBERT T. MORRIS,

G. H. CORSAN,

HARRY R. WEBER,

Nominating Committee.

MR. O'CONNOR: I move the nominations be accepted.

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