Mr. SENATOR. Ed Pullman exhibited a thing for him that Jack was trying
to promote.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What was that?
Mr. SENATOR. This is what they call—what do they call the little thing?
It is a little twistaboard. It is a little square twistaboard, and you
get on it and it moves around like this.
Mr. GRIFFIN. It is a weight reducer, like?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes; a twister.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, how long had Jack Ruby been promoting this twistboard?
Mr. SENATOR. It never came to the promotion part. I would assume that
he fooled around with it for about a month, I guess, something like
that, as a rough guess. In other words, he was going to buy them. I
think somebody was going to make them for him, and he was going to try
and sell them.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And for a month, what would this month cover, from the
1st of November to the time that he shot Oswald, or before the 1st of
November?
Mr. SENATOR. No; it was either September or October, somewheres in
there. I will have to take it to the extension of these 2 months.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did it fall through somewhere along the line? Did he lose
interest in it, or something?
Mr. SENATOR. It never materialized. In other words, look, he had
competition because there was one already out.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Who designed this twistboard?
Mr. SENATOR. I think it was manufactured by somebody in, I don’t know
the name of the place, in Fort Worth.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Who else was associated with Jack in the twistboard
project?
Mr. SENATOR. Nobody. This is something that never really got off the
ground. See, I think Jack had—what was it—maybe four or five or six
dozen of the things. I just don’t remember. But it never got off the
ground.
Mr. GRIFFIN. He bought these, and then what was he going to do with
them?
Mr. SENATOR. He was going to have them manufactured to resell.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he buy them from some place other than Fort Worth, or
from Fort Worth?
Mr. SENATOR. I am not sure whether he bought them from Fort Worth or
some place else. I don’t know just where he got them from.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What kind of material were they made out of?
Mr. SENATOR. It was a compressed—I don’t know what you would call it—it
was a compressed thing. In other words, let me say that it was about
this size here.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You are indicating about a foot long?
Mr. SENATOR. Approximately about a foot square.
Mr. GRIFFIN. A foot square?
Mr. SENATOR. Approximately about a foot square, and on the bottom of
it—this is a compressed thing. I don’t know if you call it a compressed
board, or what you call it. There was a compression. Then on the bottom
of it it had, I believe, a steel roller with ballbearings in it, on the
bottom, so the thing could revolve. Under that was another piece of
staple, where it was staple. In other words, it had to hold the weight
of an individual.
Mr. GRIFFIN. This was something that you would lean up against?
Mr. SENATOR. No, no. It was on the floor, and you just got on it like
that, and you go—I am not a good exhibit for a twister.
Mr. GRIFFIN. In other words, you would stand on this board?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes, you would stand on it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You wouldn’t put it up against your back, or anything?
Mr. SENATOR. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You would stand on it?
Mr. SENATOR. Strictly stand on it, and it was a novelty.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And the bottom part would remain stationary?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And the other part would swivel as you moved on it?
Mr. SENATOR. That is right. In other words, instead of going in the
twist, this thing did it for you. In other words, you revolved and,
of course, this was classified as an exerciser, or something of that
nature. As I say, it never got off the ground.
Mr. GRIFFIN. To your knowledge, nobody else was involved in the
promotion of it with Jack?
Mr. SENATOR. No; definitely not; no.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How about John Newman? Do you recognize that name?
Mr. SENATOR. John Newman works for the Herald or the Times, the Herald
or the News. He works for either the Dallas Morning News—I forgot
now—or the Herald.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How do you happen to know him?
Mr. SENATOR. I met him on occasion when Jack used to go up there to
place an ad once in a while, when I was living with him in 1962, you
know, I went up there with him.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you ever see Newman at the Carousel Club?
Mr. SENATOR. I don’t know if I have or not. I just don’t remember. I
couldn’t say yes or couldn’t say no. I just don’t remember.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I am going to read to you the names that are on Exhibit
5305-R. Bill Petty. Do you recognize that name?
Mr. SENATOR. I think I have heard of that name, but don’t know who it
is.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Bill Cantrell?
Mr. SENATOR. No; I don’t know him.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Gladys?
Mr. SENATOR. Gladys who?
Mr. GRIFFIN. That is all it says.
Mr. SENATOR. I don’t know.
Mr. GRIFFIN. J. B. Herred?
Mr. SENATOR. I don’t know him.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Mrs. Oscar Newman?
Mr. SENATOR. I don’t know her.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I am going to read to you the names that are on Exhibit
5305-S. Gloria Rettig?
Mr. SENATOR. I don’t know her.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Little Lynn you have mentioned.
Mr. SENATOR. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Vicky Williams?
Mr. SENATOR. Vicky Williams; I don’t know that name.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That concludes the photographs that pertain to the
Aladdin notebook. I am going to hand you what has been marked for
identification as Exhibit 5309-A, and this is a Xeroxed copy of another
notebook that has on the front cover, “This is a Robinson reminder. Jot
it down. Do It. Tear it. Live notes only.”
I am going to hand you this and ask you to tell me, first of all, go
through it and tell me if you remember ever seeing that notebook.
Mr. SENATOR. I think I have seen the cover of this. These are little
tear things out, aren’t they, you tear them out?
Mr. GRIFFIN. You are referring to what appears to be perforated
segments.
Mr. SENATOR. Isn’t that what it is? That is what it looks like.
Mr. GRIFFIN. On the front page. I believe that is right.
Mr. SENATOR. I have heard of the name Sue Pepper.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, you are looking at the first page of that notebook?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And you are going to identify the names?
Mr. SENATOR. I have heard of the name. I don’t know who it is. A lot of
the names I heard, but I just don’t know who they are. Does this say
Jack Hanover? This is a little hard to read.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yanover, I think.
Mr. SENATOR. Carroll Walker I don’t know.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know a Jack Hanover?
Mr. SENATOR. No. I don’t know the balance of these in here.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recognize the handwriting on that page?
Mr. SENATOR. I think it is Jack’s. I assume it is. I am not sure, but
I assume it is. It all looks like the same. I have seen the cover of a
book like this. Now, the insides of it I have never seen, but I think I
have seen it on him.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, you are turning to the next page. Does that have a
small numeral down at the bottom of that page? It has numeral 3. It is
actually the second page on which there is any writing.
Mr. SENATOR. Wally what?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Is that Rack—R-a-c-k? Do you know a Wally Rack?
Mr. SENATOR. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know anything about the Doctors Club?
Mr. SENATOR. The Doctors Club?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes.
Mr. SENATOR. I never knew there was a Doctors Club in Dallas. What is
Linda’s last name?