Mr. SENATOR. He had lost weight.
Mr. GRIFFIN. He had lost weight?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You noticed a change in his voice and something about the
way he carried his head?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Anything else?
Mr. SENATOR. And he lost weight. Of course, he quoted the Bible to me.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Had he ever done that before?
Mr. SENATOR. I don’t know.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I mean to you; had he ever quoted from the Bible to you
before?
Mr. SENATOR. No; I don’t think so, that I can remember of.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What passages of the Bible was he quoting?
Mr. SENATOR. He didn’t. He didn’t quote the passages, but he quoted
that he was reading the Bible. He didn’t quote any passages to me.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How about his manner of speech other than the deepness of
his voice? Was there anything about the manner of his speech?
Mr. SENATOR. What do you mean; the manner of his speech?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Coherence, his ability to carry through on a topic of
conversation. Was he able to discuss topics as lucidly as he had
discussed them previously to you?
Mr. SENATOR. No. I’ll tell you, it got so that there was a hesitation.
The words were even silent. There was no speaking at times; just, you
know, like, you know. In other words, you know, there is very little of
him I could see. I was looking through this little glass. I couldn’t
touch him or nothing. In other words, instead of his wall being
plaster, the thing was steel or iron, whatever it was; see what I mean?
Mr. GRIFFIN. So you and he would be separated?
Mr. SENATOR. Oh, yes. I couldn’t even touch him. It was impossible.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How much of him could you see? We are going to have to get
this on the record. This is the problem.
Mr. SENATOR. In other words, I am standing up here and I am looking
through a glass about like this.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You are looking through a little glass door?
Mr. SENATOR. And like this.
Mr. GRIFFIN. A little glass window?
Mr. SENATOR. A window something like this.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Maybe 12 inches long and 8 inches high or something?
Mr. SENATOR. Approximately. This is a guess.
Mr. GRIFFIN. At about eye level?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes; it’s eye level. And under it are these perforations
that you have to talk to; holes. You know; perforated holes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Perforations in a door of some sort?
Mr. SENATOR. No door; no.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Just a wall?
Mr. SENATOR. Just a wall.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And you could not see Jack other than through that window?