Mr. SENATOR. The paper ad.
Mr. HUBERT. The Bernard Weissman ad?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes; the Bernard Weissman ad.
Mr. HUBERT. So you now think, and let me get it straight, you
previously stated that you weren’t sure?
Mr. SENATOR. I wasn’t sure.
Mr. HUBERT. That Ruby had noticed the Bernard Weissman ad after he had
wakened you at the house, and you were dressing, and before you left,
but you think now you must have?
Mr. SENATOR. We must have because we went to the post office.
Mr. HUBERT. When he did see the ad, was there a comment about that?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes; he wanted to know why on this.
Mr. HUBERT. In other words, there were two things he wanted to know why
on.
Mr. SENATOR. Right.
Mr. HUBERT. Why the Earl Warren poster and why the Bernard Weissman ad?
Mr. SENATOR. Right; yes.
Mr. HUBERT. So then he had you take Polaroid pictures of the poster
concerning Chief Justice Warren, and then you went to the post office.
Mr. SENATOR. We went to the post office.
Mr. HUBERT. What was the purpose of going there, and in connection with
what?
Mr. SENATOR. Well, that was in connection—going to the post office was
in connection with the paper ad now.
Mr. HUBERT. How was it connected to the paper ad?
Mr. SENATOR. Well, there was a post office box on this ad. I just don’t
recall the number of the post office box. But he wanted to see if there
was such a box.
Mr. HUBERT. So did you go into the post office with him?
Mr. SENATOR. We went into the post office. We saw a box with that
number on it. There was a lot of mail in there.
Now, of course, who it belonged to—we don’t know if it belonged to him
or not, but he did press the night buzzer. There was a little hole
there where you get the night clerk, and he asked the night clerk who—I
think it was 1762 or something like that. I just don’t remember the
number.
He asked him who it is. The night man says, “I can’t give you any
information. Any information you want there is only one man can give it
to you and that is the postmaster of Dallas.”
Mr. HUBERT. Did Ruby make a reply to that?
Mr. SENATOR. Not to my knowledge. You mean to him?
Mr. HUBERT. Yes; to the clerk. Did he say anything more?
Mr. SENATOR. No; if I am not mistaken, I think he said “How do you get
to the postmaster” or something of that nature. I am not sure now.
Mr. HUBERT. Was he annoyed with the clerk?
Mr. SENATOR. No; he wasn’t annoyed with the clerk, but he was deeply
annoyed with the ad, with both ads.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he indicate to you how checking the box at the post
office would assist him in whatever he had in mind?
Mr. SENATOR. He wanted to know; he had also said that he had checked
the telephone directory and couldn’t find this Bernard Weissman, who
supposedly put an ad like this here, and couldn’t have been local
because he looked to see if there was a Bernard Weissman in the Dallas
telephone book.
Mr. HUBERT. You didn’t see him look it up. He merely told you that?
Mr. SENATOR. He merely told me that. I didn’t see him look it up.
Mr. HUBERT. Did Larry Crafard go with you to the post office?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he stay in the automobile, or come to the post office
with you?
Mr. SENATOR. I believe he came into the post office. I have to guess on
this. I am not sure, but I think he came into the post office.
Mr. HUBERT. All right.
Mr. SENATOR. Then from there we went to the Southland Hotel coffeeshop.
Mr. HUBERT. Where is that located?
Mr. SENATOR. That is on the corner, on Commerce, and I don’t know what
the little side street is, but it is just below the Adolphus Hotel on
Commerce Street. I don’t know what the side street is.
Mr. HUBERT. Who went?
Mr. SENATOR. Jack, Larry, and myself.
Mr. HUBERT. How long did you stay there?
Mr. SENATOR. I would assume we stayed there—maybe about 15 minutes
would be a rough guess.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you recall the nature of the discussion between you at
that time?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes. He reread this paper ad of the why’s of the President.
Mr. HUBERT. Where did he get the paper from?
Mr. SENATOR. It happened to be it was lying on the counter. The news
was lying on the counter, and, of course, he ruffled through it.
Mr. HUBERT. And you say he reread it; so now you are quite certain that
he had read it before?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes; he must have read it before. See, now, I can’t tell
you if he read it before that or I showed it to him or what. I just
don’t remember.
Mr. HUBERT. In any case when he saw it at the coffeeshop, it was
obviously the second time.
Mr. SENATOR. He was very disturbed.
Mr. HUBERT. Or the third time.
Mr. SENATOR. He was very, very disturbed over both of these.
Mr. HUBERT. Explain what actions of his lead you now to the conclusion
that you describe as a disturbed condition.
Mr. SENATOR. His voice of speech; the way he looked at you.
Mr. HUBERT. His voice was loud or low or different or what?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes; it was different. It was different; the way he looked
at you. It just don’t look like the normal procedure.
Mr. HUBERT. Had you ever seen him in that condition before?
Mr. SENATOR. I would probably say—I don’t know how to put these
conditions together, but I have seen him hollering, things like I told
you in the past, but this here, he had sort of a stare look in his eye.
I don’t know how to describe it. I don’t know how to put it together.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I didn’t catch that. What kind of a look?
Mr. SENATOR. A stare look; I don’t know. I can’t express it. I don’t
know how to put it in words.
Mr. HUBERT. But it was different from anything you had ever seen on
Jack Ruby before?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. And it was noticeably so?
Mr. SENATOR. Oh yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you notice it?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes; I could notice it.
Mr. HUBERT. Did it disturb you any?
Mr. SENATOR. I wouldn’t say exactly I was disturbed, but I could notice
it.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he seem to be concerned about the President’s death or
the ad or what?
Mr. SENATOR. To me, I would probably say it must have been a
combination of the entire thing. I know he was deeply hurt about the
President, terribly.
Mr. HUBERT. You say you know that. How do you know that?
Mr. SENATOR. What? By his feelings; by the way he talked about the
family and the children; by tears in his eyes, which I have seen, and I
am not the only one who has seen it.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you think that he was more disturbed than the average
person that you know was disturbed about the President’s death?
Mr. SENATOR. All I know, while I can’t say about the average because
all I know, he was really deeply disturbed, but I can’t describe an
average because there might be another individual of his nature, too,
who knows. Who knows the affections of each and every individual?