Mr. CRAFARD. This was including the taxes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was that $2 every night or was there a different charge on
weekends?
Mr. CRAFARD. Two dollars every night at the Carousel.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What was his charge for admission at the Vegas, if there
was any?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe that was 75 cents or 85 cents, something like
that.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you look at photograph D?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is another State admission tax note. July, August,
and September.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That is Exhibit D of Series 5225.
I want to show you E of Exhibit 5225. There are some names written down
there.
Do you recognize those names?
Mr. CRAFARD. Billy Brook, I have heard his name mentioned, I believe he
was a comedian; I am not sure.
There is Bobby Patterson. I have mentioned him as a band member for the
Vegas Club.
Mr. GRIFFIN. There is a notation under the name Bobby Patterson. Would
you read that?
Mr. CRAFARD. Right under the name?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes.
Mr. CRAFARD. I can’t make it out.
Mr. GRIFFIN. To the right of the name there is a 6 with two zeros, and
right under the name Bobby Patterson it says, “and friends” and on the
same line to the right of the words “and friends” and under the 600 it
says “10” with two zeros.
Do you recognize—does that mean anything to you?
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recognize that handwriting that is shown there?
Mr. CRAFARD. I’m not positive, but I believe it is in Mr. Ruby’s
handwriting.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall the way Mr. Ruby made notations about money?
Mr. CRAFARD. This is his method of making notations with the 10 large
and two zeros small on the upper portion of the line.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Is there anything else about that writing which makes you
think that is Jack Ruby’s writing?
Mr. CRAFARD. The fact that it is fairly small. And there is the name
Armstrong, the next name that I recognize, Andrew Armstrong. That is
all there is on that page.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you look at photograph F and tell us if you
recognize anything on that photograph. This is of Exhibit 5225.
Mr. CRAFARD. What I recognize is really small writing down almost to
the bottom of the page, there are three lines right close together. The
names and phone numbers, the name Ruth Shay, I have heard the name, I
can’t recall exactly what her relation was, and the name Pauline again
and then Tex De Lacy, I believe I had his name and phone number wrote
down in my notebook.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you look at photograph G and tell us if you
recognize any of the names there or any of the notations that are on
there.
Mr. CRAFARD. Other than the fact that it is apparently for excise tax
purposes for the Carousel Club, that is all I can say about it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you look at photograph H. Do you recognize any of
the names or notations on that photograph?
Mr. CRAFARD. This shows two pages and one page is excise tax for
Carousel Club. The other page has very little writing on it.
The name Joseph Rossi. I have heard Jack use the name Rossi quite a few
times, but I don’t know what it was about.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That is Joseph R-o-s-s-i?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you look at photograph I in this series that we
have been looking at and tell me if you recognize any of the names and
notations there.
Mr. CRAFARD. The name Tom Palmer.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You already testified about him.
Mr. CRAFARD. I already testified about Palmer and the other page has
the words revenue from the Vegas Club.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you look at photograph J and tell us if you
recognize any of the names and notations there.
Mr. CRAFARD. There is one name on here, I believe I heard Jack mention,
but I am not sure. This Rocky Robinson, I am not positive.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you have any recollection as to the context or
connection that you may have heard that name used?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe he introduced me to a man named Rocky, but I
can’t recall the last name of the gentleman.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you look at photograph K and would you tell us if
you recognize any of the names and notations there?
Mr. CRAFARD. None except for the insignia of KLIF Station.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recognize the Serv-U Pharmacy as being a business
in Dallas?
Mr. CRAFARD. No; I don’t.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you look at photograph L and tell us if you
recognize any of the names and notations there?
Mr. CRAFARD. This is a repetition.
Mr. GRIFFIN. This is a duplicate photograph of the same picture that we
showed?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. As 5225-K.
Would you look at M in this series of photographs and tell us if you
recognize any of the names and notations?
Mr. CRAFARD. There is the name Jeanine, Tammi, Lynn that I recognize,
Brother Bear.
The name Norma, I believe is the same phone number as I give for Miss
Norma Bennett, or Barnett.
I believe there is a Bob Litchfield, I believe that is the last name on
there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Those are all names that you testified about previously?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe so. I am not sure about that Litchfield.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recognize the name Bertha Cheek that appears on
there?
Mr. CRAFARD. No; I don’t.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you look at N in this series of photographs and tell
us if you recognize any of the names and notations there?
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you look at photograph O in the series and address
yourself to the same questions?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t recognize any that is on here. There appears to be
the word “taxes”.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Will you look at P and tell us if you recognize any of the
names and notations there?
Mr. CRAFARD. There is the words Morning News, Carousel rent and
something about the laminating company.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do those—can you tell whose handwriting those notations
are in?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe they are in Jack’s handwriting.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was it Jack Ruby’s practice to make notes for himself of
things he had to do any particular day?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t know for sure whether he did or not. On one or two
occasions I have saw him make notes of things he wanted to do.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you look at Exhibit Q and tell us if you recognize
any of the names or notations there?
Mr. CRAFARD. Mike Shore.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You testified about him previously.
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe so; yes.
There is Ed Pullman’s name on there. I have testified about him
previously.
And Joe Williams, I believe from the band at the Carousel Club.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I want to direct your attention back again to photograph
P in this series, Exhibit 5225. There is a notation on here “baby
bottle.” Do you have any idea what Jack Ruby would have had to do with
any baby bottles?
Mr. CRAFARD. No; I don’t, whatsoever.
Mr. GRIFFIN. On Exhibit Q in this series, 5225, there is a notation
“Goodwill Industries”. Did Jack—do you remember having anything to do
with Goodwill Industries?
Mr. CRAFARD. Except the fact that most of my clothes were bought there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. The name Dalton appears in connection with that.
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe he spoke with Mr. Dalton in connection with
trying to get the Goodwill Industries interested in the twist boards,
their manufacture, I am not sure.
Mr. GRIFFIN. There is also a notation after the word “Mike Shore”
appears to be the word “blades”. Did Mike Shore have anything to do
with the Wilkinson blades that Jack gave away?
Mr. CRAFARD. Not that I know of; not to my knowledge.
Mr. GRIFFIN. There is also a notation on here that appears to read
“Stubbe Machine”, some sort of machine that looks like Stubby.
Mr. CRAFARD. The only thing I could say with that it might be in
connection with the laminating machine that he was thinking about
getting.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, now, tell us about the laminating machine that he
was thinking about getting.
Mr. CRAFARD. These free passes he was giving out he was having them
laminated in plastic and he was thinking about getting a machine to do
it himself.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where was he intending to purchase this machine?
Mr. CRAFARD. I am not sure.
Mr. GRIFFIN. These were free passes to the Carousel?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did the practice of giving passes away to the Carousel
exist all the time you worked for Jack?
Mr. CRAFARD. He started that practice just after I went to work
for him, giving them to people that he had business with, personal
acquaintances, and different important businessmen from different areas
of the country.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you ever talk to Andy Armstrong or Jack so that you
would be able to state whether he had given away passes prior to that
time?
Mr. CRAFARD. To my—as far as I know, he had never given them away
before this.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recognize the name Monte that appears on this
photograph Q in the 5225 series?
Mr. CRAFARD. No; I don’t.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember the name of a fellow by the name of Monte
Timmons?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t believe I ever met the man. I don’t remember the
name.
Excuse me 1 minute.
I believe that is a woman’s name. There was a woman by the name of
Monte, had a phone call, had Ryan call her back.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Mike Ryan?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I want to show you photograph R and ask you if you
recognize any of the names or notations there.
Mr. CRAFARD. Bill Petty’s name is on there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Who is he?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe he was a friend of Jack’s. I met him at the
Carousel Club. Jack introduced me to him.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he live in Dallas?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe so; yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know what he did? How often did you meet him at the
Carousel Club?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe he was there two or three times while I was
working for Jack.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would he come during business hours or would he come in
the afternoon, or morning, when there weren’t patrons there?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe when I first met him was in the afternoon, but
other than that it was during business hours.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know what the nature of Jack’s connection with
Petty was?
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
There is the name Gladys. I spoke of her before.
And this Dr. Uhleviteh was Mrs. Grant’s doctor.
The name Oscar Newman seems familiar, but I don’t recollect what there
was about it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. There appears to be an abbreviation for Mrs. written above
Oscar Newman, does that mean anything to you?
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I will hand you photograph S in this series we have been
looking at. Do you recognize any of the names there?
Mr. CRAFARD. Little Lynn’s name is on there.
There is the name Gloria with the last name of R-e-t-t-i-g, the last
name doesn’t mean anything to me. The first name was the same as we
have mentioned before.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Is Vicky Williams a name that you recognize?
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yesterday I gave you a copy of the FBI report of its
interview with you. Did you have a chance to look that over?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. As a result of having read that interview, are there any
changes or corrections that you desire to make in that interview?
Mr. CRAFARD. Mostly were minor changes. One was the spelling of my
wife’s maiden name.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How should that be spelled?
Mr. CRAFARD. It should be spelled with a “P” instead of an “O” there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you take my pen and correct that and then initial it
and date it where it appears in the interview?
I am going to mark this exhibit, “Washington, D. C., April 10, 1964.
C. L. Crafard, Exhibit 5226,” and I am going to sign my name to the
bottom of the first page.
(The document was marked Crafard Exhibit No. 5226, for identification.)
Mr. GRIFFIN. I have made this notation on the first page of what
purports to be an FBI report of an interview with Mr. Crafard, the
interview having been conducted on November 28, 1963, at Bellaire,
Mich., by Special Agent Theodore S. Kramer, K-r-a-m-e-r, dictated
November 29, 1963.
There are eight pages to this report and at the bottom of each page
there is a number beginning in sequence with the number 147 and
continuing through the number 154 on the last page.