Mr. GRIFFIN. Let me finish up on Mickey Ryan a second. Do you know what
kind of a club this Gun Club was?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir; I had never been there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was it just a bar or was it a place where people went to
shoot skeet or trap or something like that?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t know, sir. I believe the call came in as the Hunt
Club or something like that or Hunter’s Club or something of that sort,
the call came in.
Mr. GRIFFIN. So you are not sure that the name of the club is the Gun
Club?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And do you have any idea where that club is located?
Mr. CRAFARD. It is near Dallas somewhere but that is all I know.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know if it is in downtown Dallas or in the
outskirts or what?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe that was on the outskirts of Dallas.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would this have been a country club, a golf club of some
sort?
Mr. CRAFARD. It might have been; yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. All right, I am finished with that.
Mr. HUBERT. Going to the top of page 3 that entry “See Paul Lubeachick
here at 9:30.” I think you added something to that entry to the effect
that that entry meant that that man was going to be there at 9:30?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. The part you added was that he couldn’t stay very long.
Mr. CRAFARD. That is the impression that I had when I talked to him,
sir. He said something about——
Mr. HUBERT. You have a distinct recollection therefore of that
particular episode and that man?
Mr. CRAFARD. Of the call coming in; yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Was it a call?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. The man gave you that name and said that he would be there
at 9:30?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. But that he could not wait very long?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe it was something like the fact that he would be
there at 9:30 and he wanted to see Jack, that he couldn’t stay there
for any length of time.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you recall whether he came in at 9:30?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t recall, sir. After the club opened I was too busy
to notice who came in.
Mr. HUBERT. With an entry of that nature isn’t it fair to say that you
would have conveyed that information in its totality to Jack?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is right, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. In other words, you would have told him not merely that the
man was coming in at 9:30 but that he had said he couldn’t wait very
long.
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you recall having done so?
Mr. CRAFARD. I’m not positive, sir. I don’t recall it clearly.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you ever at any time after that see a man named Paul
Lubeachick?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t remember, sir. I don’t believe so.
Mr. HUBERT. But you do remember that you told Jack he couldn’t wait
very long?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember Jack’s reaction to that?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I believe Mickey Ryan and a telephone number under there
is the last entry on page 3.
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I am going to turn over page 3 to the back. There is the
name Stanley Kaufman and a telephone number after that. Did you ever
meet Stanley Kaufman?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t recall ever meeting him, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know who he is?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now was Stanley Kaufman a name that Jack would have wanted
kept on a permanent basis?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t know, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. There is a line with nothing written on it following the
entry in connection with Stanley Kaufman, and there is a notation
“Wednesday pay bill at phone company.”
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was that something you were to do?
Mr. CRAFARD. Something I was to remind Jack to do.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would we be able to date anything in this book from that
entry of Wednesday pay phone bill, for example, if we knew when Jack
paid his telephone bill in October or November? Would we be able to
draw any conclusions as to all of the entries in the book which appear
before that entry “Wed pay bill at phone company?”
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir; I don’t think so.
Mr. GRIFFIN. There is a line after the entry in connection with the
phone company, and then there is something written. What is written?
Mr. CRAFARD. Riky Kasada.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And is that somebody’s name?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Is that your spelling of a name that was spoken to you or
did somebody actually dictate that spelling to you?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe it is my own spelling.
Mr. GRIFFIN. So it is simply what we would call your interpretation of
the phonetics?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Who is Riky Kasada?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t know, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. After that there is another name.
Mr. CRAFARD. Scotty Milles, M-i-l-l-e-s.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Scotty Milles, M-i-l-l-e-s?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir, M-i-l-l-e-s.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Who was he?
Mr. CRAFARD. It was a she. She was the woman who called me in reference
to Mickey on this job.
Mr. GRIFFIN. In other words, she called to inquire about Mickey Ryan?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And do you remember the conversation you had with her?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir; I don’t.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did she indicate where she was calling from?
Mr. CRAFARD. She said something about a club or something.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was it this Hunt Club or Gun Club?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Is there any connection between Riky Kasada and Scotty
Milles?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t believe so, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Under the entry reference on Mickey, there is a line and
then there are some figures written there. Do you make anything out of
those numbers?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir; I don’t.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Are those in your handwriting?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would those be expenses that you had or money that you
took out of the cash register?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. No?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you think if you sat here awhile and thought about it
you might be able to make something out of this?
Mr. CRAFARD. No; I don’t believe so. It might be some bills that I had
paid or something. Maybe some champagne I had bought or something like
that that I had put down, the money I had been given and what I had
spent.
Mr. HUBERT. You are clear though that those figures refer to money?
Mr. CRAFARD. I would say so by the way they are wrote down.
Mr. HUBERT. Is the significant point about the way they are written
down that indicates that they refer to money.
Mr. CRAFARD. The number 1420 is wrote down like you write down $14.20.
Mr. HUBERT. By doing what to the 1420?
Mr. CRAFARD. Putting the dot behind your 14.
Mr. HUBERT. You put the decimal?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Is that the way you write money?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. So that you would say that those figures being in your
handwriting would be the way you would write figures concerning money?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That concludes the back side of page 3. I want to turn to
page 4 then. What is written at the top of page 4?
Mr. CRAFARD. The name Norma Bennett with the number CA 4-2234.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Is that Bennett or Barnett?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe it is Bennett. As I have wrote it it appears to
be Barnett.
Mr. GRIFFIN. But you think the name is Bennett.
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe so; yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now who is Norma Bennett?
Mr. CRAFARD. She is a young lady that called in connection with the ad
that Jack had ran, subsequently came in and met Jack. Jack tried to
talk her to go to work as a stripper.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did she ever work for him in any capacity?
Mr. CRAFARD. Not that I know of, sir; not around the Carousel.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When did you first see her?
Mr. CRAFARD. When she came into the club the day after she phoned.
I believe that was about 4 weeks before President Kennedy was
assassinated.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And did you talk to her at all?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What was your conversation with her?
Mr. CRAFARD. Just getting acquainted with her more than anything. She
seemed like a pretty nice girl. We got along pretty well.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How long did she remain in the club that day?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe she was around the club most of the afternoon.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And was Jack there during that period?
Mr. CRAFARD. Jack came in after she arrived.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How long did Jack stay while she was there?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe he spent a couple of hours around the club.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember any conversation Jack had?
Mr. CRAFARD. Not particularly, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. With reference to the entry on page 4 concerning Norma
Barnett, is there any doubt in your mind that, as it is written, it is
Barnett and not Bennett?
Mr. CRAFARD. No doubt in my mind it is spelled Barnett, B-a-r-n-e-t-t.
Mr. HUBERT. You got that over the phone when she called; is that right?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. What makes you think that her name was not really Barnett
but Bennett?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe that I already spoke of her as Norma Bennett I
believe when I spoke with her. I recall that.
Mr. HUBERT. Your testimony was that you subsequently met her.
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you then learn that her name was Bennett instead of
Barnett?
Mr. CRAFARD. I very seldom used her last name after I met her. I
believe when she introduced herself it sounded to me like she said
Norma Bennett when she introduced herself to Jack.
Mr. HUBERT. Obviously when you heard it over the phone you thought it
was Barnett because that is the way you put it down.
Mr. CRAFARD. That is right, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. But thereafter you think you learned from her that it was
Bennett?
Mr. CRAFARD. I might have misspelled it to myself or something. I
referred to her as Bennett all the time.
Mr. HUBERT. To whom did you refer as Bennett?
Mr. CRAFARD. Whenever I used her name to Jack a couple of times when we
was talking about her.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you ever use the name Bennett to her?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t recall ever using her last name to her, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Is it fair to say that you really don’t know what her last
name is?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is right, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. What is the next word after CA 4-2234?
Mr. CRAFARD. Waitress.
Mr. HUBERT. And then under that?
Mr. CRAFARD. Judy Armstrong.
Mr. HUBERT. What is under that?
Mr. CRAFARD. Congress, the phone number Congress 9-2576, Carlton, Tex.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you think those four lines beginning with waitress and
ending up with Carlton, Tex., all deal with the same transaction?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe so; yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. In other words, the word “waitress” doesn’t deal with the
direction above it but the transaction below it?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is right, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. What was that, a call from somebody who wanted to be a
waitress?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir; I believe so.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you ever meet that person?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t recall meeting her.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know if Jack called her?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t know if he called her or not, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. All right; let’s pass to the next entry under that.
Mr. CRAFARD. Excuse me 1 minute, please. It seems to me this Judy
Armstrong was a number that one night one of the girls was sick and one
of the other girls that had the night off and we needed another girl
and this is a girl that had worked for Jack, I believe, and we tried to
call her. I am not positive of that. Or we tried to call her to go to
work or something.
Mr. HUBERT. What you are saying is that insofar as the entry concerning
Judy Armstrong which begins with the word waitress and ends with
Carlton, Tex.
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. You first testified that you thought that this was a person
answering an ad?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Now you think that actually you all sought to call her to
work in place of someone who was ill?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe the way it worked out she had called in
connection with the ad and we had her number down on the list of girls
to call and one night we needed a girl and we tried to call her and
couldn’t get in touch with her. Tried to call her to come to work and
couldn’t get in touch with her.
Mr. HUBERT. So that the entry on page 4 was actually made as you said
it was?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. When she called applying for a job but you have an
independent recollection other than the entry that on some occasion you
called her to just see if she could substitute?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember whether you reached her.
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t recall reaching her, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. And you have never met her?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. All right; what about Burt Nelson?
Mr. CRAFARD. Burt Nelson, Chez Femme, the phone number EM 3-6324, and I
don’t know who Mr. Nelson is.
Mr. HUBERT. What is that Chez Femme?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe that is a place he worked, I am not sure.
Mr. HUBERT. What sort of a place is it?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t recall, sir. I believe it was a clothing store of
some sort.
Mr. HUBERT. A what?
Mr. CRAFARD. A clothing store of some sort, sir, I believe, I am not
positive.
Mr. HUBERT. What about the entry under that?
Mr. CRAFARD. Buddy, hyphenized, Floyd Turner, phone number LY 2-5903,
Tyler, Tex. I don’t remember ever meeting him. I believe Jack referred
to him as Budd Turner though.
Mr. HUBERT. Would that be a call that had come in or a call given to
you by Jack?
Mr. CRAFARD. I am not sure, sir. I believe it was one given to me by
Jack.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know anything about that man?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Never met him.
Mr. CRAFARD. Not that I know of.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you ever hear his name spoken other than in this
connection?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Let’s turn over to the next page then which is page 5.
Would you read it because I can’t read your handwriting.
Mr. CRAFARD. Page 5 or do you want to read the reverse of page 4, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. I want to read the reverse of page 4 I beg your pardon.
Mr. CRAFARD. It starts with line Linda phone number RI 2-0720, and the
initials R. W. Bowsher.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you think that those three entries relate to the same
thing.
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t believe they do, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Then tell us what they do mean independently.
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe the line DA and the line number is a number
where we could get ahold of this girl Linda, but the R. W. Bowsher I
have no recollection of what it would be.
Mr. HUBERT. Does it seem to be written with a different pen or pencil?
Mr. CRAFARD. The pencil that was used for the word Linda and the phone
number seems to have been sharper than the one used for R. W. Bowsher.
Mr. HUBERT. Was it your custom to separate independent episodes by
leaving a blank line between them?
Mr. CRAFARD. I have done so most of the time; yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. In this case you don’t seem to have done so.
Mr. CRAFARD. Sometimes I would put them right under something else.
Mr. HUBERT. Anyway your recollection now is that you think the word
Linda and the telephone number under it is independent from the line
that immediately follows which reads “R. W. Bowsher?”
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe so; yes sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Who is Linda?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t know, sir; I don’t recall.