Mr. CRAFARD. I believe she was more like a girl that called in answer
to the ad we ran in the paper.
Mr. HUBERT. What about R. W. Bowsher, then?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t recall anything about him.
Mr. HUBERT. Let’s pass to the next entry which is separated from R. W.
Bowsher by a blank line.
Mr. CRAFARD. Buddy Heard, Loflin Hotel, phone number KE 2-4672.
Mr. HUBERT. Isn’t that 71?
Mr. CRAFARD. 71, yes sir. And underneath that the numbers 5336827, and
100 North Florence—and the word “office.” I believe that would be the
fact that Buddy Heard was staying at the Loflin Hotel. The KE number
would be a number where we could reach Buddy Heard. The next number
down would be probably a number for the office. I am not sure.
Mr. HUBERT. And the telephone for that office.
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe would be the 533-6827. I am not positive.
Mr. HUBERT. You think that those five lines beginning Buddy Heard
and ending 100 North Florence—office are all related to the same
transaction?
Mr. CRAFARD. I would believe so; yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you think they are not related to the line which
immediately follows starting “Burt called?”
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir; I believe that is something entirely different.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know Buddy Heard?
Mr. CRAFARD. I am not positive. I believe I have met him. I am not
sure. But “Burt called” underneath that——
Mr. HUBERT. Let’s not leave Buddy Heard yet. Does the name mean
anything to you at all? You might have some recollection in your mind?
Mr. CRAFARD. I have heard the name mentioned several times but I don’t
know what Heard done for a living. I believe he had something in
connection with the actor’s union. I am not sure.
Mr. HUBERT. You don’t think you have ever met him?
Mr. CRAFARD. I am not sure, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Go to the next entry, then.
Mr. CRAFARD. Burt will call later. You have his home number. I believe
that would be all related.
Mr. HUBERT. Those four lines would be related to one another?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. What would be the significance of that?
Mr. CRAFARD. The fact that this Burt called and wouldn’t leave the
number but said that Jack had his home number.
Mr. HUBERT. “You” there refers to Jack, right?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. In other words, this was a note that was being written so
that when Jack read it if he weren’t there he would know it was written
to him?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is right, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Who is Burt?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t recall who he was.
Mr. HUBERT. All right. That finishes the back of page 4. Mr. Griffin,
do you want to start with page 5?
Mr. GRIFFIN. In other words, you got through the entries “Burt called.”
For my own clarification, did we identify where the Loflin Hotel is,
which city that is in?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir; we didn’t.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know where that is?
Mr. CRAFARD. I am not sure. I believe that it is Dallas. I am not
positive.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Are all of the entries from Buddy Heard to 100 North
Florence—office——
Mr. HUBERT. That has been covered.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Then on the top of page 5 there is a series of notations.
Would you read those off.
Mr. CRAFARD. “Get ad off to Hyman.” In other words things to tell Jack,
to remind Jack he had to do was to get an ad off to Hyman, pay a phone
bill and go to the bank and then appointment call to Earl.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall what ad there was to get off to Hyman?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe it was the ad in connection with the
twistboards. I am not positive. We were sending an ad to this Hyman.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall where the ad was to be placed?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir. He was to mail it, I believe, I am not positive.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What is the meaning of “appointment call to Earl”? What is
an appointment call?
Mr. CRAFARD. He had called and asked the operator to place the call at
a certain time and to call him back when the connection had been made.
Mr. GRIFFIN. The mailing of the ad to Hyman and the paying of the phone
bill and the going to the bank and the appointment call to Earl, did
these all occur on the same day?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe so.
Mr. GRIFFIN. There is a line drawn under appointment call to Earl. It
separates the page in half roughly.
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What is the significance of that line.
Mr. CRAFARD. It would be that this top portion of the page would have
been 1 day, things I had wrote down for 1 day. The bottom of it would
have been another day or on 2 or 3 days later.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, there is an entry there “get post office box.”
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What was that in connection with?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe he was going to get another post office box to
use for this twistboard setup.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he already have one post office box before that?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe he was receiving the mail through the Carousel
Club and his home address.
Mr. GRIFFIN. There is a number under there RI 1-0345. Do you know whose
phone number that is?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir; I don’t.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And there is a line with nothing written on it after that,
and there is another entry. What is that?
Mr. CRAFARD. “Pauline called” at I believe 4 and will be in about 7 or
something like that.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Who was Pauline?
Mr. CRAFARD. She was more or less I’d say the assistant manager over at
the Vegas Club.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That was Pauline Hall.
Mr. CRAFARD. I would say so.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That concludes the front part of page 5; is that correct?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Mr. Hubert, do you have any questions you want to ask on
those entries on page 5?
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember the appointment call with Earl?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir; I don’t.
Mr. HUBERT. Those entries at the top of page 5, the four of them, the
things that you were to do or remind him of, were they simply told to
you by Jack over the phone or in person and then you were to remind him
the next day or later?
Mr. CRAFARD. Things that Jack said and I was to remind him the next
day. I believe on this phone call he had tried to place it one day
and he couldn’t get the phone call through so he arranged for an
appointment call the next afternoon I believe it was.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you do it yourself?
Mr. CRAFARD. If Jack did?
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember him doing it?
Mr. CRAFARD. I can remember him placing, trying to place a call to Earl
one day and he couldn’t make it and he arranged a call for the next
day. But I don’t know if this was the incident or not.
Mr. HUBERT. What this simply means is that you were to remind him of it?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. That was then your function with respect to it?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall Jack ever mentioning or did you ever hear
anything about the Triangle Manufacturing Co.
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t recall it, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall if Jack had any dealings with any people in
Wisconsin?
Mr. CRAFARD. Not that I know of, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I am going to turn over to the back of page 5. There is a
name written at the top of the back of page 5. What name is that?
Mr. CRAFARD. Jerry Lindsay.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Who is Jerry Lindsay?
Mr. CRAFARD. He called in wanting a job. He had been a floorman in
another club and he called in asking about a job at the Carousel Club.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What is a floorman?
Mr. CRAFARD. A polite way of saying bouncer.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Jack employ a bouncer while you were there?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you ever talk to Jack about why he did or did not, why
he didn’t have a bouncer?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was there any need for a bouncer?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir; not the Carousel Club. This would have been in
connection with the Vegas Club, I believe.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was there a tougher crowd at the Vegas Club?
Mr. CRAFARD. They had sometimes some pretty tough crowds out there on
weekend nights. People would get drunk and start giving them trouble.
The floorman would talk to the man trying to get him to quiet and if he
wouldn’t be quiet he would escort him to the door.
Mr. GRIFFIN. The Vegas Club didn’t have stripteasers did it?
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yet there was a tougher crowd there at the Vegas.
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Why was that?
Mr. CRAFARD. The type of crowd that frequented the clubs, the Carousel
Club and the other burlesque shows in town was the businessmen more
than anything, whereas the Vegas Club’s clientele was more or less
common laborers, working people. It was a dance club where you could
go in and buy beer, soft drinks and you could dance, and the clientele
there was of the rougher nature.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I was a little bit confused in your testimony yesterday.
Was it your impression that Jack was doing better financially off the
Vegas than off the Carousel?
Mr. CRAFARD. Definitely; yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And you say that with positiveness? What makes you so
positive about that?
Mr. CRAFARD. Two or three different times Jack said if it wasn’t for
the Vegas Club he would have had to close the Carousel down a long time
before. The Vegas Club was making enough money to keep the Carousel and
the Vegas both running.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Why do you think he kept the Carousel open?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t know, sir. There had been a stretch where I guess
he had had pretty bad luck with the Carousel, hadn’t been making much
money and he used the money he made from the Vegas Club to keep the
Carousel going at that time from what I understood.
Mr. GRIFFIN. But the time you were working there was the Carousel
carrying its own?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe so; yes, sir; to my knowledge.
Mr. GRIFFIN. So you felt that in the month or 2 months that you
worked for Jack, both the Vegas and the Carousel were self-sustaining
operations?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. After this entry about Jerry Lindsay, there is a telephone
number TA 7-2553 floorman, and I understand from your testimony those
all should be read together. Then there is a line with nothing written
on it and there is a notation which I wonder if you can decipher.
Mr. CRAFARD. “Talked to Leo—Mrs. Grant.”
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you recall the significance of that, who Leo was?
Mr. CRAFARD. He worked at, I believe he was handling the floor at the
Carousel most of the time. I don’t recall what his last name was. I
believe this was the night that I stayed at the Vegas Club for Jack the
first night. I believe Leo called and I talked to him and then I talked
to Mrs. Grant right away. Mrs. Grant called right away after that and I
talked to her. I am not positive.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Is it your impression that the call from Jerry Lindsay was
also taken at the Vegas Club?
Mr. CRAFARD. No; the call from Jerry Lindsay was taken at the Carousel
Club.