Mr. HUBERT. You mean that the numbers----

Mr. CRAFARD. In the address.

Mr. HUBERT. The numbers in the address of the sign of which you had

taken a picture were similar to those in an advertisement of some sort?

Mr. CRAFARD. As far as I could understand, a hate advertisement that he

had saw in the paper.

Mr. HUBERT. Did he have that hate advertisement with him?

Mr. CRAFARD. Not that I know of.

Mr. HUBERT. Did he express his thoughts as to what he proposed to do

with those pictures?

Mr. CRAFARD. He said something about going down to the post office and

checking this box number to see who had a box number, a certain box, or

something.

Mr. HUBERT. Other than that, did he mention what he wanted the pictures

for?

Mr. CRAFARD. Not that I recall, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. How long did you stay in the cafe?

Mr. CRAFARD. We was there long enough to drink coffee, and that is

about it.

Mr. HUBERT. That would be about how many minutes?

Mr. CRAFARD. Oh, maybe 20 or 25 minutes.

Mr. HUBERT. Where did you go next?

Mr. CRAFARD. Then they took me over to the Carousel Club and dropped me

off at the Carousel Club.

Mr. HUBERT. What time was that?

Mr. CRAFARD. This was about 5, maybe 5:20. I’d say between 5 and 5:30.

Mr. HUBERT. What did you do next?

Mr. CRAFARD. I went back upstairs and put the camera up.

Mr. HUBERT. And then what?

Mr. CRAFARD. I think I picked up a book and read another book or

something.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you go to sleep?

Mr. CRAFARD. Read a book or something.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you go to sleep?

Mr. CRAFARD. I wasn’t sleepy at that time.

Mr. HUBERT. I said did you go to sleep?

Mr. CRAFARD. No; not that I can recall.

Mr. HUBERT. What is the next thing that happened?

Mr. CRAFARD. About 8:30, I think it was, I called Jack. When I had been

with them I said something about dogfood, and Jack had said he’d bring

some back, so I called him about 8:30 and said--I guess I woke him up

or something. He was fairly shook up over the phone and chewed me out a

little bit about waking him up at that time in the morning.

Mr. HUBERT. Had you ever wakened him up at that time before?

Mr. CRAFARD. No; I had never called him before in the morning, like

that.

Mr. HUBERT. What made you do so on this occasion?

Mr. CRAFARD. He wanted me to be sure and feed the dogs, and I didn’t

have any dogfood to feed them. He was usually up by that time in the

morning, the way he talked. He said he always got up at 7 o’clock every

morning, and I called him, figured when he did come down he could bring

dogfood down.

Mr. HUBERT. You expressed two thoughts a little while ago. I want to,

there again, get the factual basis for those thoughts or impressions.

One, that he was shook up, and the other that he chewed you out. Those

are both impressions that are based upon facts. What were the facts?

Mr. CRAFARD. Well, the way he answered the phone, he was kind of teed

off, you know, sort of teed off. He answered the phone in a grumpy way.

He had never spoke to me on the phone that way before.

Mr. HUBERT. What did he say?

Mr. CRAFARD. He just give me the daylights for calling him.

Mr. HUBERT. How did he give you the daylights?

Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t remember what he said exactly.

Mr. HUBERT. Did he curse?

Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t believe so.

Mr. HUBERT. Did he say that you were stupid? Did he use some words that

you didn’t like, that gave you the impression he was mad at you?

Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t remember what he said, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. But, in any case, whatever words they were, they were not

polite?

Mr. CRAFARD. No.

Mr. HUBERT. Shall I put it that way?

Mr. CRAFARD. It was his general way of speaking to me, more like--he

talked to me more like he always did with Andy, when he was mad with

Andy, when he was bawling Andy out for something.

Mr. HUBERT. Was it the tone of voice more than the actual words?

Mr. CRAFARD. I believe it was both. One thing his voice was very loud,

and he knew how that grated on me.

Mr. HUBERT. He had talked to you like that before?

Mr. CRAFARD. On one occasion, and I had stopped him. I told him I

didn’t like it. I told him if he wanted to talk to me, to talk to me,

not to yell at me.

Mr. HUBERT. How long ago had that been before?

Mr. CRAFARD. Just shortly after I went to work for him.

Mr. HUBERT. And he had never done it since?

Mr. CRAFARD. No.

Mr. HUBERT. But he did do it on this occasion?

Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.

Mr. HUBERT. You also said that he seemed shook up, I think, or what

were the words you used there?

Mr. GRIFFIN. That are used?

Mr. HUBERT. No; that he used.

Mr. GRIFFIN. I think he said “shook up.”

Mr. CRAFARD. I believe I did.

Mr. HUBERT. And that he had chewed you out. I had asked you for a

separate basis of facts for both of those, both of those mental

impressions you got. Is your explanation intended to cover both of them?

Mr. CRAFARD. About the only thing I could figure, it would be the same

for the other.

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