Mr. HUBERT. Did he tell you that he thought----

Mr. CRAFARD. He said he thought it would be better for me to go with

him than to stay at the club.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you ask him why he had such thought?

Mr. CRAFARD. No; I didn’t. I didn’t think about it.

Mr. HUBERT. What did you think of the nature of that remark to you?

Mr. CRAFARD. It didn’t have no effect on me whatsoever at the time.

Mr. HUBERT. You had stayed at the club alone before, hadn’t you?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. Didn’t you think it rather odd that he would suggest in

some way that it wouldn’t be proper for you to stay at the club?

Mr. CRAFARD. At that time it didn’t strike me at all. I didn’t even

think about it. I was still pretty shook up, myself.

Mr. HUBERT. Had you been doing any work in the interval when he was

gone?

Mr. CRAFARD. No; not that I can recall.

Mr. HUBERT. Did he make any phone calls when he came back?

Mr. CRAFARD. I believe he called his sister at that time. I’m not

positive, but I believe he called her at that time and told her he’d be

right over.

Mr. HUBERT. When did he leave after having returned?

Mr. CRAFARD. He was only there for about 10 or 15, maybe 20 minutes.

Mr. HUBERT. Did he call his sister twice?

Mr. CRAFARD. He called her then, I’m almost positive that he called her

that time and told her he’d be right over.

I told him that I’d prefer to stay at the club because, well, I knew

his sister was highly emotional from what little I had talked to her

on the telephone a couple of times, she called for Jack and she always

seemed very nervous on the phone and everything.

Mr. HUBERT. As I understand you now, it is quite clear that he did call

his sister Eva?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. When he came back the second time?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; I’m almost positive.

Mr. HUBERT. That is when he stayed about 10 minutes?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. He left about 4:30 or 5, right?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Having stayed there only 10 minutes, whatever time he did

come?

Mr. CRAFARD. He stayed only 10 or 15 minutes. He hadn’t been there very

long.

Mr. HUBERT. From the time that you first heard of the President’s death

until he left that second time to go to his sister’s, had he called his

sister once or twice?

Mr. CRAFARD. I believe, that was the second time he called her that

day, I’m not positive.

Mr. HUBERT. So that the first call must have been through the first,

during the first visit, mustn’t it?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; I believe so, because he only made the one phone call

when he came back the last time.

Mr. HUBERT. Now, with relation to the call to his brother, is your

memory fresh now as to whether that call was made during his first

visit between 2:30 and 3 o’clock, 2:30 and 3:30, or on his second visit

when he stayed 10 minutes?

Mr. CRAFARD. That was made on the first visit, I’m almost positive of

that. I can only recall of one phone call he made and that was to his

sister when he come back the second time.

Mr. HUBERT. He was there only 10 minutes, he called her and he asked

you several times?

Mr. CRAFARD. He asked me two or three times to go with him and I told

him I’d rather not because she was highly nervous and I didn’t care to

be around her. I hardly never----

Mr. HUBERT. What did he say to you about being worried about your

staying at the club?

Mr. CRAFARD. He just thought it would be better for me to be with

somebody than to be by myself, I guess, because I was shook up, kind of

shook up about what had happened.

Mr. HUBERT. How were you showing that? I mean, what manifestations.

Mr. CRAFARD. I guess more or less a look in my face, or something.

Mr. HUBERT. Did he seem to indicate that he feared for your safety?

Mr. CRAFARD. No; not that I can recall.

Mr. HUBERT. But what you are telling us is that at the time you had no

reaction whatsoever to that suggestion of his that it would be better

for you not to stay at the club?

Mr. CRAFARD. I had no reaction at all to it.

Mr. HUBERT. You don’t know whether he meant your safety or your own

personal feelings or really what he meant?

Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.

Mr. HUBERT. You didn’t ask him what he meant?

Mr. CRAFARD. No.

Mr. HUBERT. So he just then openly allowed you to stay on?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. Was Armstrong still there during that time?

Mr. CRAFARD. No; Andy--I was alone at the club.

Mr. HUBERT. When did Andy leave?

Mr. CRAFARD. Andy left just shortly after Jack had left the first time.

Mr. HUBERT. About what, 5 or 10 minutes after?

Mr. CRAFARD. About maybe 10 or 15 minutes later. When Jack was there

the second time before he left, he give me a sign, he told me to

make up a sign that said we’d be closed Friday and Saturday, put it

downstairs about 6:30.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you do so?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you do it in pencil or pen?

Mr. CRAFARD. I made it with pencil and put it downstairs.

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