Mr. HUBERT. No; I am talking about the time you left in the latter part
of 1962 or early 1963.
Mr. CRAFARD. I was married June of 1962.
Mr. HUBERT. So your wife lived with you for some time in Dallas, Oreg.?
Mr. CRAFARD. For about 6 months we was living in Dallas, Oreg., from
June 10 until I believe in December.
Mr. HUBERT. Where were you married?
Mr. CRAFARD. I was married in Dallas, Oreg.
Mr. HUBERT. Where was your wife from?
Mr. CRAFARD. Originally from Texas.
Mr. HUBERT. What was her name?
Mr. CRAFARD. Her maiden name was Wilma Jean Case.
Mr. HUBERT. C-a-s-e?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Had she been married before?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. What was her husband’s name?
Mr. CRAFARD. Donald Johnson.
Mr. HUBERT. How many times was she married before she married you?
Mr. CRAFARD. Just the one time.
Mr. HUBERT. Where did you meet her?
Mr. CRAFARD. I met her in Amarillo, Tex.
Mr. HUBERT. When? How long before you married?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe it was in 1961.
Mr. HUBERT. What part of 1961?
Mr. CRAFARD. In the spring, I believe, it would have been in March of
1961.
Mr. HUBERT. You knew her about 15 months then before you got married?
Mr. CRAFARD. All told; yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Were you working in Dallas at the time you met her?
Mr. CRAFARD. I wasn’t employed at the time I met my wife.
Mr. HUBERT. How did you meet her?
Mr. CRAFARD. I met her at the Salvation Army in Amarillo, Tex.
Mr. HUBERT. What was she doing?
Mr. CRAFARD. She was there with her husband Donald Johnson at that time.
Mr. HUBERT. She was living with him?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. When was she divorced from her husband?
Mr. CRAFARD. She was divorced in 1962, I believe, in April, I am not
sure.
Mr. HUBERT. All the time you were living up in Oregon with your
parents, did you see her or correspond with her?
Mr. CRAFARD. No; I hadn’t saw her for a year.
Mr. HUBERT. You had not seen her for a year when you married her?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir; I had--I went to Dallas, Tex., trying to find
her. From Dallas, Tex., I went to Las Vegas, Nev., where I got in touch
with her and where we corresponded for a period of about 5 months.
Mr. HUBERT. I gather from what you say that your interest in her as a
person to be your wife grew up during this period?
Mr. CRAFARD. Mostly, yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. And she agreed to marry you and came up to Dallas, Oreg.,
to do so?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Did she work while you were living in Dallas, Oreg.?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir; she lived with my parents.
Mr. HUBERT. And so did you?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you have any children?
Mr. CRAFARD. I have one child by her. She has a stepson, I have a
stepson, her son.
Mr. HUBERT. She had a son by the first marriage?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. What is that son’s name?
Mr. CRAFARD. Don Johnson, Billy Don Johnson.
Mr. HUBERT. How old is he?
Mr. CRAFARD. He is 2 years old approximately.
Mr. HUBERT. He is 2 years old now?
Mr. CRAFARD. He was 2 years old in December. He will be 2½.
Mr. HUBERT. And you have a child by her?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir; Robert Johnson.
Mr. HUBERT. When was that child born?
Mr. CRAFARD. He was born March 10, 1963--March 2, excuse me.
Mr. HUBERT. When did you move to Dallas, Tex.--let’s take it
chronologically. What happened after you left, where did you go after
you left Dallas, Oreg.?
Mr. CRAFARD. I went to California, I left Dallas, Oreg., the first day
of March 1963. I went to California where I spent the month, spent
about 3 or 4 weeks, then I went to Dallas, Tex., where my wife was
living. We had a reconciliation.
Mr. HUBERT. Before you tell us about the reconciliation, you had better
tell us about the breakup because I don’t think that is in the record
yet.
Mr. CRAFARD. We--she had left me about 6 months after we married, and I
stayed in Dallas, Oreg.
Mr. HUBERT. So she left you about December 1962?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; I stayed in Dallas, Oreg., for about 6 months after
that.
Mr. HUBERT. She was pregnant then, was she not?
Mr. CRAFARD. To my knowledge, as far as I know; yes.
Mr. HUBERT. The child was born in March of 1963.
Mr. CRAFARD. Well, I will tell you the truth, the doctor has some
doubts himself so I couldn’t say.
Mr. HUBERT. I mean she was pregnant when she left is what I mean in
December. I think we are thinking about two different things.
Mr. CRAFARD. No. I believe we are thinking about the same thing.
Mr. HUBERT. I am not asking you whether she was pregnant when you
married her.
Mr. CRAFARD. No; I know that.
Mr. HUBERT. I am asking you whether she was pregnant when she left you
in December of 1962, because you have just told us that the child was
born in March of 1963.
Mr. CRAFARD. I will put it this way. When the doctor was informed she
had a child, her doctor was then informed she had a child, he was very
shocked and surprised that she had had a child, and she was his patient
in May of 1962. He operated on her in May of 1962. So in other words,
there is some doubt as to the fact that the child was mine and actually
there is a little doubt as to the child is actually hers.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, I wish you would explain that latter part. How can
there be some doubt that the child is hers?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t really understand it entirely myself. But the
doctor that performed the operation when he was informed she had had
the child he was very shocked and very surprised that she had had a
child. He wouldn’t say any reason for being so but he was. But I took
him--I had understood from him that she wouldn’t be able to have a
child for about 2 years after the operation.
Mr. HUBERT. What was the cause of your breakup?
Mr. CRAFARD. That, I do not know.
Mr. HUBERT. You mean she just left?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Did she leave any notes or anything?
Mr. CRAFARD. She didn’t leave anything. I went to work on Tuesday
morning and come home Tuesday and she was gone.
Mr. HUBERT. With her child?
Mr. CRAFARD. With the boy; yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you attempt to find her?
Mr. CRAFARD. I put a tracer on her.
Mr. HUBERT. Well now, when you say you put a tracer, what do you mean?
Mr. CRAFARD. I had the law put a tracer out on her.
Mr. HUBERT. As a missing person?
Mr. CRAFARD. As a missing person; yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you get any reports?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir; I didn’t.
Mr. HUBERT. When did you next see her or hear from her?
Mr. CRAFARD. I heard from her in February of 1963. The latter part.
Mr. HUBERT. In what way?
Mr. CRAFARD. She wrote to me and told me that she was going to have the
baby, and then in March of 1963 I received a letter in California, my
folks had sent down to me, from her saying that she had had the baby
and would love for me to come see the baby if I wanted to. And I went
to Dallas, Tex. And we had a reconciliation.
Mr. HUBERT. What date did you arrive in Dallas, do you know?
Mr. CRAFARD. Let’s see, right around the 14th, I believe.
Mr. HUBERT. Of March?
Mr. CRAFARD. Of March.
Mr Hubert. Did you have any money then?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Have any other kind of property?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir; just a few clothes.
Mr. HUBERT. Is it fair to say you were, pretty broke?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir; I was.
Mr. HUBERT. Where was she living?
Mr Crafard. She was at that time staying with her mother and father in
Dallas, Tex.
Mr. HUBERT. At what location?
Mr. CRAFARD. At Letot Trailer Park.
Mr. HUBERT. How do you spell that?
Mr. CRAFARD. L-e-t-o-t.
Mr. HUBERT. Where is that located?
Mr Crafard. On Lombardy Lane.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you live with her then?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. What did you do, get another trailer?
Mr. CRAFARD. For about a week I lived there with her and her parents. I
went to work at the Ablon Poultry and her parents moved away and then
for a while her brother and her sister-in-law lived with us; we lived
together for a while.
Mr. HUBERT. At Letot’s?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. What is their name?
Mr Crafard. It is John Case, Mr. and Mrs. John Case.
Mr. HUBERT. Where do they live now?
Mr. CRAFARD. I have no idea of their present address.
Mr. HUBERT. When did you go to work in Dallas, Tex?
Mr. CRAFARD. About a week after I arrived there.
Mr. HUBERT. Where?
Mr. CRAFARD. At Ablon Poultry.
Mr. HUBERT. What kind of work were you doing there?
Mr. CRAFARD. I was working in the hanging racks, hanging chickens.
Mr. HUBERT. How much were you making there?
Mr. CRAFARD. $1.10 an hour.
Mr. HUBERT. How much did that amount to by the month?
Mr Crafard. Probably right around $200, $225, right around there; I am
not sure.
Mr. HUBERT. You were still living with your wife then?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. What happened after that?
Mr. CRAFARD. I went to work at the Porter Building Co. in Dallas, Tex.
Mr. HUBERT. Where is that located?
Mr. CRAFARD. Harry Heinz Circle.
Mr. HUBERT. Is that the outfit called the Valley Office and School
Equipment Co?
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you work for that company?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe I did for a little while. It wasn’t very long.
Mr. HUBERT. What about the Office Building Co. that you were talking
about, how long did you work for them?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t remember, I don’t even remember working for the
company actually.
Mr. HUBERT. I am talking about the first one you mentioned yourself.
Mr. CRAFARD. The Porter Building Co.?
Mr. HUBERT. Yes.
Mr. CRAFARD. I worked for them for about a month or a month and a half.
Mr. HUBERT. After that who did you work for?
Mr. CRAFARD. We went to Washington, the State of Washington, to Mount
Angeles or Port Angeles in the State of Washington.
Mr. HUBERT. About when was that?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe that was in May or--it was in June, I believe it
was.
Mr. HUBERT. When you say “we” you mean you and your wife and your two
children?
Mr. CRAFARD. And my two boys.
Mr. HUBERT. How did you travel?
Mr. CRAFARD. We went up by bus.
Mr. HUBERT. Had you been able to save any money then?
Mr. CRAFARD. I had money when we left there, I had been able to save
some then. We stopped in California and I worked for a while 2 or 3
weeks in California.
Mr. HUBERT. Where did you work?
Mr. CRAFARD. With a carnival. Then we went on up to Port Angeles, Wash.
Mr. HUBERT. Port Angeles?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. How long did you stay there?
Mr. CRAFARD. We was there for about 6 weeks.
Mr. HUBERT. Until what date?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t remember the date.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, it was the summer of 1963, wasn’t it?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Was your wife still with you?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir; we were together at that time.
Mr. HUBERT. All right. What was your next move?
Mr. CRAFARD. The next thing happened she left me again.
Mr. HUBERT. On what date was that?
Mr. CRAFARD. I couldn’t give you a date on that either.