Mr. HUBERT. In the fruit what?
Mr. CRAFARD. In the fruit, picking fruit. Then I went to work in a
cannery. Then I was gone for a while and I worked with the carnivals
when I was gone.
Mr. HUBERT. I think we had better get some details about that. How long
did you work with the fruit industry?
Mr. CRAFARD. Probably right around a month.
Mr. HUBERT. That would have been in the spring of 1960?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Then you went to the cannery?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. How long did you work there?
Mr. CRAFARD. I worked there for about 6 months.
Mr. HUBERT. What did you make there?
Mr. CRAFARD. I was making a $1.15 an hour.
Mr. HUBERT. What did it net you before taxes by the month about?
Mr. CRAFARD. I would say probably right around $400 for the month.
Mr. HUBERT. When did you leave your parent’s home?
Mr. CRAFARD. I couldn’t give you an exact date on this, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, would it be fair to say it was about 7 months after
you arrived there from Michigan?
Mr. CRAFARD. It was in the spring of 1961. I believe, probably in April
of 1961.
Mr. HUBERT. So that in fact you were with your parents after you moved
from Michigan to Dallas, Oreg., for approximately 1 year?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Of which time you say you worked about 7 months?
Mr. CRAFARD. I went to school for about 6 months out of it, about 5 or
6 months out of the year, I attended high school.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you finish?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. What high school was that?
Mr. CRAFARD. Dallas High.
Mr. HUBERT. Oregon?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. You were not earning anything then?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. I take it that you left Dallas, Oreg., about April in 1961,
is that correct?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Where did you go next?
Mr. CRAFARD. I went to California where I joined the carnival.
Mr. HUBERT. What part of California?
Mr. CRAFARD. Let’s see, in Oroville, Calif., where I joined the
carnival.
Mr. HUBERT. Oroville?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. What carnival was it?
Mr. CRAFARD. Royal West Golden Gate combined.
Mr. HUBERT. Royal West Golden Gate combined?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. What type of carnival was it?
Mr. CRAFARD. It was more or less about the general run of the mill for
a carnival. Mostly rides.
Mr. HUBERT. When you say “carnival” you are talking about a place where
they have these rides for children and so forth?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. How big a carnival was it, I mean, how many people were
involved?
Mr. CRAFARD. It is pretty hard to say exactly.
Mr. HUBERT. What did you do with it?
Mr. CRAFARD. I was working with the circus that was attached to the
carnival.
Mr. HUBERT. Animal circus?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. They all traveled as a group?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. How long were you with that, in that sort of a group?
Mr. CRAFARD. I worked that for about 3 or 4 weeks.
Mr. HUBERT. That is all, 3 or 4 weeks?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. All right, where did you go to next?
Mr. CRAFARD. I traveled through Georgia where I joined another carnival
in Georgia, Jerry Lepke Ten in One.
Mr. HUBERT. What sort of a side show was it?
Mr. CRAFARD. He had the sword box, ladder of swords, fire eater,
two-headed baby show, and a snake girl show.
Mr. HUBERT. What did you do at that carnival?
Mr. CRAFARD. Roustabout and barker.
Mr. HUBERT. How long were you with them?
Mr. CRAFARD. I was with Lepke for about a week.
Mr. HUBERT. All right. After that?
Mr. CRAFARD. Then I went to Michigan.
Mr. HUBERT. Where did you stay there?
Mr. CRAFARD. I visited with my sister and my brother-in-law again for a
little while for about 2 weeks.
Mr. HUBERT. Which one?
Mr. CRAFARD. Tenniswood. Then I went to Detroit where I joined a
kiddyland setup.
Mr. HUBERT. That is sort of a carnival strictly for children?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; parking lot carnival.
Mr. HUBERT. About what time was that then?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe that was in the fall of 1961.
Mr. HUBERT. How long did you stay with that organization?
Mr. CRAFARD. I was with him for about 2 weeks.
Mr. HUBERT. Then what did you do?
Mr. CRAFARD. I went back to Dallas, Oreg.
Mr. HUBERT. When you got to Dallas what did you do? Oregon, I mean.
Mr. CRAFARD. I went to work part time at the Muir and McDonald Leather
Tannery and then I went to work for Boise Cascade Valzets Division for
the Boise Cascade Plywood. I worked for them until in June of 1962,
June 10th, 1962.
Mr. HUBERT. How long then did you work for them?
Mr. CRAFARD. For about 6 months, I believe it was.
Mr. HUBERT. What were you making there?
Mr. CRAFARD. I was making, I believe, $2.25 an hour.
Mr. HUBERT. About what did it amount to by the month before taxes?
Mr. CRAFARD. About $400, $450.
Mr. HUBERT. You were not married at this time?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Were you able to save money?
Mr. CRAFARD. I was spending my money just about as fast as I made it. I
was traveling, paying for transportation back and forth to work, buying
clothes. By that time I had bought a motorcycle or a motorbike, and I
bought a few items, I bought a refrigerator for my mother or a dryer
for my mother at that time.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, we have some information that you worked for Federal
Aviation Agency through July and October of 1960 in Los Angeles?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; in Los Angeles--I believe they were out of Los
Angeles, where I worked for them that was over in Nevada.
Mr. HUBERT. What kind of work did you do?
Mr. CRAFARD. Surveyor’s assistant. I had forgotten I had worked for
them.
Mr. HUBERT. Can you tell us anything about your employment with
Stewart-Hill in Berkeley, Calif., 1052 Dwight Way, Berkeley, Calif?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t remember even.
Mr. HUBERT. That would have been between July and September of 1960?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t remember.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember working for the Teer Plating Co., Dallas,
Tex.
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Tell us about it, please.
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe I worked for them 2 or 3 weeks, something like
that.
Mr. HUBERT. How much did you make with them?
Mr. CRAFARD. I was making a dollar and a quarter an hour while I worked
for them. I believe when I left there my last check was either $65 or
$85.
Mr. HUBERT. Is that the first time you had ever been in Dallas, Tex.?
Mr. CRAFARD. Let’s see, I believe it was, I am not certain of that.
Mr. HUBERT. That was between April and June of 1961, was it not?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe so. The way I have traveled around, I had a lot
of jobs I even forgot about almost.
Mr. HUBERT. What was this Muir Co. you were talking about?
Mr. CRAFARD. It was a leather tannery.
Mr. HUBERT. In Dallas, Oreg.?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Muir McDonald?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. At 111 Street. Is that Dallas, Tex., or Dallas, Oreg.?
Mr. CRAFARD. Dallas, Oreg.
Mr. HUBERT. You worked for them for about almost year, with a couple of
time outs, didn’t you?
Mr. CRAFARD. Altogether I worked for them about 18 months. But
including the time I worked part time and I worked part time for them
for a while while I was working for J. C. Tracy.
Mr. HUBERT. What was J. C. Tracy?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is a cannery in Dallas, Oreg.
Mr. HUBERT. So that during one period you were working two jobs--with
Muir McDonald and with J. C. Tracy?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir; I worked for Muir and McDonald an hour and a
half, 2 hours, maybe 3 hours a week.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you ever work for Ablon Poultry Co.?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir; that was after I was married.
Mr. HUBERT. That was where?
Mr. CRAFARD. In Dallas, Tex. At that time I was residing at the Letot
Trailer Park with my wife and family.
Mr. HUBERT. When did you leave Dallas, Oreg., then?
Mr. CRAFARD. When I went to work there, you mean?
Mr. HUBERT. You had gone to Dallas, Oreg., I think it was in the spring
of 1961, wasn’t it?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. And you stayed there really about 18 months, right, working
for Muir McDonald?
Mr. CRAFARD. All together.
Mr. HUBERT. When you left Dallas, Oreg., you were not married, were you?