Mr. CRAFARD. Alice LaLaine Crafard.
Mr. HUBERT. What is her husband’s name?
Mr. CRAFARD. She is not married. She lives with my parents.
Mr. HUBERT. How old is she?
Mr. CRAFARD. She is 17.
Mr. HUBERT. Have you had any brothers or sisters who have died?
Mr. CRAFARD. I have one brother that died.
Mr. HUBERT. What was his name?
Mr. CRAFARD. Gary Harold Crafard.
Mr. HUBERT. How old was he when he died?
Mr. CRAFARD. Nine years old.
Mr. HUBERT. When did he die?
Mr. CRAFARD. 1954, I believe it was.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, you have told us where and when you were born. Now, I
ask you where you were born?
Mr. CRAFARD. Farwell, Mich.
Mr. HUBERT. How long did you live there after your birth?
Mr. CRAFARD. I am not sure of the length of time we lived right there.
We lived around Farwell for 4 years, right around there.
Mr. HUBERT. After those 4 years where did you go?
Mr. CRAFARD. Went to California.
Mr. HUBERT. What part?
Mr. CRAFARD. San Joaquin Valley.
Mr. HUBERT. How long did you stay there?
Mr. CRAFARD. Approximately 6 years.
Mr. HUBERT. That is until you were about 10 years old?
Mr. CRAFARD. Ten years old.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you go to school there?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. How much schooling did you finish there?
Mr. CRAFARD. First four grades.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember the particular place in San Joaquin Valley
that you lived?
Mr. CRAFARD. Well, I went to school at Woody, Calif., and Fairfax,
Calif.
Mr. HUBERT. All right. After leaving those places, and particularly the
San Joaquin Valley, where did you and your parents move to?
Mr. CRAFARD. We moved back to Michigan.
Mr. HUBERT. What place, in Michigan?
Mr. CRAFARD. Clare.
Mr. HUBERT. C-l-a-i-r-e?
Mr. CRAFARD. C-l-a-r-e.
Mr. HUBERT. That is when you were 10 years old?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember it?
Mr. CRAFARD. I can remember going back; yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. How long did you live there?
Mr. CRAFARD. We lived in the vicinity of Clare then for about 4 years.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you go to school there?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; until I graduated from eighth grade.
Mr. HUBERT. Then what happened?
Mr. CRAFARD. We moved to Port Huron, Mich.
Mr. HUBERT. H-u-r-o-n, Mich.?
Mr. CRAFARD. I attended school at Yale, Mich., Yale High School for 2
years, and then we moved back to California to the San Joaquin Valley
again.
Mr. HUBERT. Same place as before?
Mr. CRAFARD. No; we moved to a little place called Plainview where I
attended school for a year, Stratmore High School and from there we
went to Oregon. I dropped out of school and enlisted in the U.S. Army,
September 18, 1958.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, do I understand you to say then that you had 3 years
of high school education?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Was that--were those satisfactory years?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. I mean you have credit for those?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. You lack 1 year to graduate?
Mr. CRAFARD. I lack about 6 months of finishing high school.
Mr. HUBERT. Where did you enlist?
Mr. CRAFARD. I enlisted in Salem, Oreg.
Mr. HUBERT. And what assignments were you given?
Mr. CRAFARD. I enlisted in the antiaircraft.
Mr. HUBERT. That is U.S. Army?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Where did you get basic training?
Mr. CRAFARD. Fort Ord.
Mr. HUBERT. How long did you stay there?
Mr. CRAFARD. I was in Fort Ord for 2 months and then I went to
Presidio, San Francisco, where I was stationed at an air defense school
for a period of 2 months and then I was assigned to D Battery, 2d
Missile Battalion, San Francisco Defense Organization.
From there I went to Germany in April of 1959. I was transferred to
Germany to Deisley Kersne, and I was stationed with the D Battery, 2d
Missile Battalion there. I stayed there until November of 1959 then
I was transferred back to the United States where I was discharged
November 10, 1959.
Mr. HUBERT. How long did you serve altogether?
Mr. CRAFARD. Thirteen months.
Mr. HUBERT. Is that the usual tour?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir. The usual tour is 3 to 4 years.
Mr. HUBERT. Well now, what caused you to get out sooner?
Mr. CRAFARD. As far as I understand it is the next thing to a medical
discharge.
Mr. HUBERT. What was it based upon, do you know?
Mr. CRAFARD. General, under honorable conditions.
Mr. HUBERT. You have a discharge reading general, under honorable
conditions and you are now taking from your pocket a document which is
a photostatic copy, I take it?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; DD214.
Mr. HUBERT. Of Defense Department Form 14.
Mr. CRAFARD. 214.
Mr. HUBERT. 214. May I have a look at it?
Do you have any objection, Mr. Crafard if we have a photostatic copy of
this document that you have just shown me?
Mr. CRAFARD. No objection.
Mr. HUBERT. So that it can be part of the record and we will give you
back the original.
Mr. CRAFARD. No objection.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, what was the place of your discharge from the Army in
the United States?
Mr. CRAFARD. Fort Sheridan, Ill.
Mr. HUBERT. When you were discharged, where did you go?
Mr. CRAFARD. I went to Kalkaska, Mich., where I resided with my
brother-in-law and my sister.
Mr. HUBERT. Which one was that?
Mr. CRAFARD. At the present time it is Mrs. Ingersol. At that time it
was Mrs. Richard Clair Tenniswood.
Mr. HUBERT. She had been married twice then?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, then we had better get that information about her.
Who was her first husband?
Mr. CRAFARD. Richard Clair Tenniswood. She had two children, two girls
by him.
Mr. HUBERT. How was that marriage dissolved?
Mr. CRAFARD. By divorce.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know the grounds?
Mr. CRAFARD. I am not sure of the grounds, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Did she divorce him or did he divorce her?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe she divorced him. I am not positive about that.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you know him?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir; I knew him very well.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know where he is?
Mr. CRAFARD. He lives at Port Huron, Mich., just out of Port Huron,
Mich.
Mr. HUBERT. What business is he in?
Mr. CRAFARD. Farmer.
Mr. HUBERT. Has he remarried?
Mr. CRAFARD. He plans to remarry this summer.
Mr. HUBERT. Have you seen him recently?
Mr. CRAFARD. Last time I saw him was about 2 months ago. A little over
that.
Mr. HUBERT. About how long did you stay there?
Mr. CRAFARD. I stayed there for about, let’s see, I stayed there until
the following spring, in April.
Mr. HUBERT. That would have been April of 1960?
Mr. CRAFARD. April of 1960. Then I went back out home to Oregon.
Mr. HUBERT. When you left the U.S. Army, did you have any money?
Mr. CRAFARD. How is that?
Mr. HUBERT. When you left the U.S. Army did you have any money?
Mr. CRAFARD. Just what I got from my discharge pay.
Mr. HUBERT. How much was that?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe I had right around $400 all together.
Mr. HUBERT. Is that all you had?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is all I had; yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. I mean is that all the property you had of any sort
whatsoever?
Mr. CRAFARD. I had a few items of personal clothing.
Mr. HUBERT. I mean you had no items such as rings or jewelry or things
of that kind?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir; I never wear jewelry, rings.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you have an automobile?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir; not at that time.
Mr. HUBERT. You didn’t own any real estate, I take it?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. You didn’t have any cash but what you said?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.
Mr. HUBERT. Would it be correct to estimate that your total worth other
than the cash you just mentioned at that time was less than a hundred
dollars?
Mr. CRAFARD. I would say so; yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, how long did you stay with your sister?
Mr. CRAFARD. I stayed with them for about 6 or 7 months.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you work?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Where?
Mr. CRAFARD. In the pulpwoods.
Mr. HUBERT. What does that mean?
Mr. CRAFARD. We were cutting pulpwood.
Mr. HUBERT. What did that pay?
Mr. CRAFARD. It was piece work. We was making about $8 a cord.
Mr. HUBERT. About how much would that amount to a month?
Mr. CRAFARD. Oh, man.
Mr. HUBERT. Just an estimate?
Mr. CRAFARD. Probably right around $400.
Mr. HUBERT. That would be net before taxes, wouldn’t it?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you assist your sister financially for board and so
forth?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir; we was working together, my brother-in-law and I.
Mr. HUBERT. What I mean was were you able to save any money?
Mr. CRAFARD. No; I didn’t save any money there.
Mr. HUBERT. You did not. You stayed there about 7 months?
Mr. CRAFARD. About 7 months.
Mr. HUBERT. Where did you go then?
Mr. CRAFARD. Then I went back out home.
Mr. HUBERT. That is to say where?
Mr. CRAFARD. To Dallas, Oreg.
Mr. HUBERT. At the time you made the move then from the home of your
sister to Dallas, Oreg., how much money did you have then?
Mr. CRAFARD. About $150, enough to go out there.
Mr. HUBERT. Is it fair to state that you had spent all the money you
had earned by working plus a good part of the savings or the money you
had received from the Army?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. So that upon arrival at your parent’s home in Dallas,
Oreg., you had approximately $150.
Mr. CRAFARD. I was almost broke when I arrived home.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you have any other type of property?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Can you fix the time of your arrival back in Dallas, Oreg.?
Mr. CRAFARD. It would have been in March of 1960.
Mr. HUBERT. All right. How long did you stay there?
Mr. CRAFARD. My main residence then up until this last fall has been
Dallas, Oreg. I have done a lot of traveling around.
Mr. HUBERT. What did you do to support yourself from the time you
returned to your parents in March 1960?