Mr. ARMSTRONG. Well--there was----

Mr. HUBERT. Who would come in and take pictures?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. Well, there was this magazine that came in to make some

shots, but they required--that was for the magazine article did on the

Carousel Club, which, anybody that appeared in the picture that was a

customer signed a release on that picture, or if they did not sign a

release on the picture, it couldn’t be used.

Mr. HUBERT. When did that take place?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. That took place sometime between the last of October

and the first of November. Larry was there--he came there the last of

October--it must have been the first of November.

Mr. HUBERT. Must have been around the first of November--did he stay

just 1 night?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. No, no; 1 week.

Mr. HUBERT. What was the man’s name, do you know?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. Offhand, I can’t recall his name.

Mr. HUBERT. Was his name Rocco?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. Rocco; that’s right.

Mr. HUBERT. And he took a series of pictures?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. He took a series of pictures.

Mr. HUBERT. He stayed about a week and then left?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. Right.

Mr. HUBERT. But other than that, there were no pictures taken?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. No, no other pictures.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you know a man by the name of Jimmy Rhodes?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. Who was he?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. He’s a photographer.

Mr. HUBERT. Did he come around?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. Did he take pictures?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. Of the girls--usually at his studio. If he made

any at the club, it was not during business. It was all right for

anybody--there was lots of pictures made, you know, like during the

day, if the girls wanted to come up and pose for the photographers and

things like that, that was okay, but when I said no other pictures were

made in the club, I was speaking of during business.

Mr. HUBERT. In other words, there was no commercial photographer there

who would take the pictures of the patrons and sell them to them; is

that right?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. No.

Mr. HUBERT. But anybody could take pictures if they wanted to?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. Yes, if they come in after I get there in the daytime

and tell me they would be there to make pictures.

Mr. HUBERT. I mean, during the shows?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. No, no; anybody couldn’t take pictures, if we saw anyone

with a camera we would take it away from them--they had to check them.

Mr. HUBERT. In other words, it was prohibited to take pictures?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. They was prohibited from taking pictures.

Mr. HUBERT. And nobody you knew of could take pictures except Jimmy

Rhodes and Rocco and of course you, with your Polaroid?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. Right, but Jimmy Rhodes could not take pictures during

business. In other words, when we had customers in the house and there

was a show going on, no one could take any pictures but Rocco is the

only one I know that made pictures, besides myself, when there was a

show going on and we had customers in the club. I’m speaking of before

this assassination.

Mr. HUBERT. Yes. Did you know Officer Tippit, the man that was shot by

Oswald?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. No, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you know whether Jack Ruby knew him?

Mr Armstrong. He said that he knew Officer Tippit, but from what I

gather later on--Mrs. Grant told me it was a different Officer Tippit

that he knew. In other words, there was two officers that had the name

of Tippit, from what I gather, and Jack said when the news was coming

over the radio about the policeman being shot, that it was Officer

Tippit; Jack jumped straight up and said, “I know him--I know him.”

Just like that.

Mr. HUBERT. What was his reaction to the shooting of Tippit?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. Well, he said--he was in a sort of--he said, “Isn’t it a

shame?” You know.

Mr. HUBERT. Did he seem to be as disturbed about the shooting of Tippit

as he was about the shooting of the President?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. Well, he was already disturbed and he didn’t show to be

any more disturbed over that than he already were.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you know about a girl named Gloria?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. There was a girl named Gloria that worked up there--I

can’t recall how she looked, but I remember the name Gloria.

Mr. HUBERT. How do you remember her?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. By the name.

Mr. HUBERT. What was she doing in the club?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. She was a waitress--I don’t know whether she did any

dancing or not on the amateurs, but I know that there was a girl by the

name of Gloria.

Mr. HUBERT. Was she with Ruby, did she date him, or what?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. Not that I know of--it wasn’t one of the girls that I

hired, so he must have brought her in.

Mr. HUBERT. How long did she stay there?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. Not long.

Mr. HUBERT. Well, how many days?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. I couldn’t say--a week, 2 weeks, 3 weeks, a month--I

don’t know. It couldn’t have been over a month though, because the

girls that stayed there usually stayed there a month or 2 months--I

usually remember them quite well.

Mr. HUBERT. Wasn’t there some girl that was going with Jack during the

last 2 or 3 days before the President was shot?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. No, not that I know of.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember a girl by the name of Joyce Lee McDonald?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. What do you know about her?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. She is a stripper. Her name is--her stage name is Joy

Dale.

Mr. HUBERT. Was she at the club?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. She was at the club.

Mr. HUBERT. During what period?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. Oh, during the period of--I would say 2 months before

the assassination through the end of the year. She left about the third

week in January, I would say, approximately 3 weeks she worked during

1964.

Mr. HUBERT. She was a stripper, was she?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. She was a stripper.

Mr. HUBERT. You have heard that Jack was supposed to have been in the B

& B Cafe with some girl either before the President was shot, the night

before or the night after, haven’t you?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. Yes, I heard that.

Mr. HUBERT. As a matter of fact, I think you were asked about that by

the FBI?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. I don’t know--I don’t know whether I was or not.

Somebody asked me about it--yes, I’m pretty sure it must have been the

FBI.

Mr. HUBERT. Didn’t you identify the girl as being Joyce McDonald?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. No, I don’t recall--no, I wouldn’t have--I wouldn’t have

identified the girl as being Joyce McDonald, because I wouldn’t have

had any way of knowing who it was unless they described her to me, and

as I said, it could have been Joyce.

Mr. HUBERT. You remember a girl who worked about 5 or 6 nights at the

Carousel Club and whom Ruby had taken home after closing hours on each

of the nights she worked?

This was a girl that you tried to locate after Oswald was shot to help

you run the club?

Do you remember looking for such a girl?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. Oh, that was the lady--oh--I don’t recall her name

now--“Duckie” or something like that.

Mr. HUBERT. Tell us about that lady, in any case?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. Well, all I know is that Jack had told me she had some

knowledge of club running and that she was very smart and sharp and

when I had went to see him, he had suggested that if I--he said----

Mr. HUBERT. You mean when you went to see him in jail?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. Yes, he said, “I don’t want to be involved with the club

any more, but if you want to do it, you can contact this lady.” He give

me her name--it was “Duckie” or something like that, to come down and

give you a hand, because she knows something about operating a club and

you can talk to Ralph about it.

Mr. HUBERT. And you tried to find that girl?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. I tried to contact her and I didn’t have any luck and I

told Ralph about it and he said “forget it.”

Mr. HUBERT. Now, that girl you remember as being the girl who had been

around the club four or five or six times; isn’t that correct?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. Right.

Mr. HUBERT. And that Jack used to take home at night?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. I don’t mean to his house, but he did--he left with her, at

any rate?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. I don’t know whether he left with her or not because I

leave before he does.

Mr. HUBERT. Well, do you remember making the statement to the FBI to

the effect you knew of one girl there that worked for 5 or 6 nights,

it was the same girl you looked for later, and that Ruby had taken her

home after closing hours on each of the nights she had worked there?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. No.

Mr. HUBERT. You say you went to see Jack in the jail?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. How many times did you go to see him?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. Oh, five or six, maybe seven times.

Mr. HUBERT. Were you alone with him all the time?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. No; there was always a policeman standing there. A guard.

Mr. HUBERT. Did he talk about his difficulties?

Mr. ARMSTRONG. No.

Mr. HUBERT. What did he talk about?

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