Mr. HUBERT. What did he say about Sheba?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Just that see that Sheba don’t eat too much because she
will get too fat.
Mr. HUBERT. What did he say about leaving Sheba in the automobile that
Sunday when Oswald was shot?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. He didn’t say--he didn’t mention that to me. The first
time I went to see him I asked him where were Sheba and he told me he
had left her in the automobile and later on, so he told me, to contact
the pound, to see if the pound had Sheba, and would they release her,
so I called the pound and the pound said that they had her, and Joy
Dale went out and picked her up and brought her to the club.
Mr. HUBERT. That’s the McDonald girl?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. That’s the McDonald girl.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you tell Jack about that?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Did Jack tell you how he got in the basement?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No; he never discussed the shooting.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he tell you about having sent a money telegram to Karen
Bennett that morning?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. He told me that.
Mr. HUBERT. What did he tell you about that?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. He said he had sent--that Little Lynn owed him $20
or $25, whatever it was, he sent her, plus some more money that she
had already drawed that was not on the record, before they paid the
payroll, and deduct it from her salary.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he tell you the circumstances under which he had sent
her money?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he tell you he sent it by telegram?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. He didn’t tell me he sent it by telegram--no; he didn’t
tell me, but Little Lynn told me.
Mr. HUBERT. What did Little Lynn tell you?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. She just said that Jack had sent her the money. You
see, I asked her first how much money had she drew and she told me and
she also told me that Jack had sent her about $25, I think it was, by
telegram.
Mr. HUBERT. Did she tell you why she needed the money by wire?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No; she didn’t tell me why.
Mr. HUBERT. Her pay wasn’t due until Sunday night, isn’t that right?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Until Sunday night, which we was closed, they didn’t get
paid Sunday night.
Mr. HUBERT. They got paid Monday night?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. I think it was Tuesday before they got paid.
Mr. HUBERT. And it was then that you deducted from Little Lynn’s pay
the amount that had been advanced to her?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Right.
Mr. HUBERT. Had you seen Jack yet?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Yes, I saw Jack on Monday.
Mr. HUBERT. But he didn’t mention to you that the money had been sent
to her by telegram?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. He--yes, he said that he sent the money--he said, “I
sent Little Lynn $25”--he said, “I sent Little Lynn $25.” He didn’t
tell me about telegram.
Mr. HUBERT. He never discussed with you at all how he got into the jail
house?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No, never did.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he ever talk to you about, or did you know that he
could go to the police department and find his way about because he
knew a lot of people over there?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No, he never talked to me about that.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you know that to be a fact?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No.
Mr. HUBERT. That he could do that?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No.
Mr. HUBERT. On these 8 or 10 visits that you made to Jack, he never had
discussed with you one single aspect of the killing of Oswald, is that
right?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No, never did.
Mr. HUBERT. What was the purpose of your visits, generally, then?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Oh, just, I guess to see how he was doing, to say,
“Hello” and to send him messages that the girls had sent him and carry
his mail down there if he had any addressed to him personally.
Mr. HUBERT. How would you handle the mail?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. I would give it to Mr. Decker.
Mr. HUBERT. The sheriff first?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. To the sheriff.
Mr. HUBERT. Has anybody given you any money other than what you have
earned?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No.
Mr. HUBERT. You have had your regular salary all the time that you
worked for the Carousel until it closed?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Was it more or less than you were receiving before?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Well, it was a little more.
Mr. HUBERT. What was it?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. It was $60.
Mr. HUBERT. Instead of $45?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Other than that money, did you receive any money from Ralph
Paul or any of the brothers and sisters of Ruby?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Or, from any other source?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No, no more than tips, you know, like that.
Mr. HUBERT. Yes, I understand that, but I mean no other sums of money
in excess of $5?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Pardon?
Mr. HUBERT. No other sums of money in excess of $5?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. $5?
Mr. HUBERT. Well, let’s put it this way--you received your salary and
you received tips?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you get any single tip that was over $5 at any time?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Oh, yes; they had single tips--I always have. Certain
customers come in lots of times and give me $6 or $8 and sometimes $10.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, would you say that $10 was the highest?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Ten was about the highest.
Mr. HUBERT. You haven’t received by way of tips any sum, say, more than
about $10?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Well, that was 1963 or 1962?
Mr. HUBERT. No, I’m not talking about that far back.
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No--you mean after the assassination?
Mr. HUBERT. Yes.
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No.
Mr. HUBERT. I understand you to say you are having a hard time now, is
that right?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Very hard.
Mr. HUBERT. You have no money saved?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. There was--it’s gone, you know, a few bucks that I had
saved. In fact, I have been paying bills.
Mr. HUBERT. How much was that money?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. That I had saved?
Mr. HUBERT. Yes.
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Well, it amount to about a couple of hundred dollars, I
guess.
Mr. HUBERT. You had it in cash?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. In cash.
Mr. HUBERT. And other than that, you didn’t have any money anywhere?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. I didn’t have any money.
Mr. HUBERT. You didn’t have any money in any way--in a bank, I mean?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No more than--other than $90 I received from income tax.
Mr. HUBERT. You mean a refund?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. A refund. The reason why it was so hard is because my
wife, she lost her job, the business she worked for, they went out of
business just a little bit before the Carousel closed up.
Mr. HUBERT. This is off the record.
(Discussion off the record. At this point Counsel Hubert marked
exhibits as hereinafter shown.)
Mr. HUBERT. Now, I have marked these exhibits as follows:
Exhibits 5300 A-F, inclusive; 5301 A-E, inclusive; 5302; 5303 A-M,
5304 A-B, inclusive; 5304 A-S, inclusive; 5306 A-B, and 5307-A. Now, I
show you a group of pictures which I have marked for identification,
“Dallas, Tex., April 14, 1964, as Exhibit 5300-A, -B, -C, -D, -E, and
-F, Deposition of Andrew Armstrong.” And I have signed my name on each
one of them for identification, there being six pictures altogether. I
should like you now to look at those six pictures after which I wish
to ask you some questions regarding them. Now, I ask you whether you
recognize what place is in the background of these pictures?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Yes.
(Examining pictures referred to.)
Mr. HUBERT. Now, state what it is?