Mr. JACKSON. About what time was this call made, do you remember?
Mrs. CARLIN. No.
Mr. JACKSON. Could it have been in the afternoon?
Mrs. CARLIN. Yes. It probably was in the afternoon, because after I
talked to Jack, we ate and washed dishes, and I cleaned up the house,
and it took me a while to get dressed.
Mr. HUBERT. Then you all went down to Western Union?
Mrs. CARLIN. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. You signed the necessary papers?
Mrs. CARLIN. We had to take a bus down, so that took quite a while,
too. I don’t remember what time it was.
Mr. HUBERT. Was the money paid to the landlord, do you know?
Mrs. CARLIN. Yes; we paid the rent.
Mr. HUBERT. That same day?
Mrs. CARLIN. I don’t remember if it was the same day or not.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, did you keep the money, or did you give it to your
husband?
Mrs. CARLIN. I gave it to my husband. We didn’t have enough money to
get back on the bus, so we had to take some of it and go back on the
bus.
Mr. HUBERT. I don’t follow you.
Mrs. CARLIN. We rode a bus downtown, and we had enough money to get
downtown, but not enough to get back.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you have to use part of the $25 to get back, but you
gave the difference to him?
Mrs. CARLIN. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Had your landlord been pressing you for the money?
Mrs. CARLIN. No. It wasn’t just the rent. It was groceries, too,
because my husband wasn’t working at the time.
Mr. HUBERT. You had not known Jack Ruby, I take it, prior to the time
you first went to work for him?
Mrs. CARLIN. No. I had seen Jack Ruby one other time before that, but I
didn’t know who he was.
My girl friend and I, a stripper, at the Theatre Lounge, was walking
to the bus stop at the Greyhound bus station to get something to eat
during our hour break, and we were walking, and this big Cadillac drove
up and tooted the horn and my girl friend smiled and it turned out to
be Jack Ruby after I met him. I knew who it was. But he left a card on
the sidewalk in front of us saying the Carousel Club.
Mr. HUBERT. How long before you went to work for him, then, did that
episode take place?
Mrs. CARLIN. This was about 2 weeks before, because I went home and
told my husband about it.
Mr. HUBERT. He was driving a Cadillac?
Mrs. CARLIN. Yes. There was three of them in the car, two men and one
woman. I never did see the man or woman, didn’t recognize them.
Mr. HUBERT. Who was driving?
Mrs. CARLIN. It was Jack. It turned out to be Jack. I asked him if
he was the one that was driving the car and threw the card on the
sidewalk, and he said, “Yes, I was.”
Mr. HUBERT. Did you ever find out who the other people were in the car?
Mrs. CARLIN. No; I never did ask him.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you find out subsequently what kind of car Jack drove?
Mrs. CARLIN. No.
Mr. HUBERT. This was definitely a Cadillac?
Mrs. CARLIN. Yes. It could have been the other person’s car he was
driving.
Mr. HUBERT. There was one man?
Mrs. CARLIN. There was two men.
Mr. HUBERT. Two men besides Jack?
Mrs. CARLIN. One besides Jack. Looked like a redheaded woman. After I
saw Jack later--at that time I thought it was a stripper, but I don’t
know.
Mr. HUBERT. They were all riding in the front of the car?
Mrs. CARLIN. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. The girl was in the middle, I take it?
Mrs. CARLIN. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. That was about 2 weeks after that that you went to work for
him?
Mrs. CARLIN. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you mention the name of the girl who was with you at
that time? I think you did.
Mrs. CARLIN. It could have been Jada.
Mr. HUBERT. I meant the girl that you were walking with?
Mrs. CARLIN. She was a stripper. I don’t remember her name. She had a
hose act. I don’t remember her name.
Mr. HUBERT. Kathy Kay?
Mrs. CARLIN. No. My husband could probably--it was Liza Sommers,
because he adored her little act.
Mr. HUBERT. Liza?
Mrs. CARLIN. Sommers.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember Wally Weston?
Mrs. CARLIN. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember when he left?
Mrs. CARLIN. No. I wasn’t there when he left. You are talking about the
Carousel Club?
Mr. HUBERT. Yes.
Mrs. CARLIN. No. I was never there when he performed there.
Mr. HUBERT. In other words, he left before you got there?
Mrs. CARLIN. Yes; I met him after he left there and went in the theatre.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember a time when a man by the name of Rocco came
to the Carousel and took quite a number of pictures of Ruby and the
girls and the acts and so forth?
Mrs. CARLIN. There was so many people taking pictures all the time,
that I don’t know.
Mr. HUBERT. This was--this man was from a magazine or at least he was
attempting--this was quite some time prior to the assassination, but he
came there and--as an advertising stunt or something of the sort, and
took quite a number of pictures. Do you remember that?
Mrs. CARLIN. No; because I remember two or three different ones that
came before this ever happened, so I don’t know who you are talking
about. But they were all supposed to be from some kind of magazine.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember a picture of you and Tammi True and Jack
together when Jack was sitting in his office in a chair and Tammi was
on one side and you were on the other in sort of a crouch?
Mrs. CARLIN. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember that picture?
Mrs. CARLIN. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. About when was that taken, do you remember?
Mrs. CARLIN. That was before the shooting of the President.
Mr. HUBERT. Oh, yes; I know. But how much longer, do you know?
Mrs. CARLIN. I don’t know. I am not any good on times or anything.
Mr. HUBERT. Could you tell us whether it was--how long after you went
to work for Jack was that picture taken? Now I am talking about the one
that I have just described with Ruby in the middle and Tammi on one
side and you on the other?
Mrs. CARLIN. There was never one taken with Tammi. The only one I had
taken was with--what is her name--the one that was pregnant.
Mr. HUBERT. The large redheaded girl, the one that appeared in a
magazine?
Mrs. CARLIN. I can’t place her name.
Mr. HUBERT. Joy?
Mrs. CARLIN. Yes, Joy.
Mr. HUBERT. McDonald?
Mrs. CARLIN. No; I can’t think of it.
Mr. HUBERT. Her stage name was Joy Dale?
Mrs. CARLIN. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. That is the one I meant. I said Tammi True, but I was
mistaken myself. She had dark curly hair?
Mrs. CARLIN. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, now, as to that picture, can you relate the time of
taking that picture to the time when you first went to work there?
Mrs. CARLIN. No; I guess it was a month after that, I know. At least,
but I don’t know how much longer after that.