Mr. GRIFFIN. Well now. Nelson gave a statement----

VOICE. Excuse me.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Off the record.

(Discussion off the record.)

Mr. GRIFFIN. Nelson was interviewed by the Bureau--Federal Bureau of

Investigation on December 4, and the Bureau indicates that he told

them, and this is the Bureau's language and not his, talking about

his post, he said the other officer assigned there with him was a

reserve officer whose name he does not know. He was there for just 3

or 4 minutes, when Sergeant Putnam told them to station themselves

just behind the first jail office window, for people were coming in,

in regard to jail office business, such as seeing prisoners. They were

instructed not to let any unauthorized persons through the door or ramp

leading into the basement.

Okay, when I read that I was mistaken as to where I thought he was

standing, so that I was under the impression he was pulled off of his

post, but that would be entirely consistent. Apparently all they did

was to move him a few feet. Well, the jail office window, you have

three here. One, two, and three windows--so [indicating]. Well now, did

you talk with Bobby Patterson at all?

Mr. DEAN. Yes, sir; I asked him could he say for sure that this man

didn't come in his post.

Mr. GRIFFIN. And when did you talk with him?

Mr. DEAN. Some time before I went to the hospital.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you talk with a reserve officer by the name of Newman?

Mr. DEAN. I don't recall the name.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you talk with this reserve officer who was stationed

over in this area here, as you have indicated on the map [indicating]?

Mr. DEAN. I asked Sergeant Putnam--in fact, we had talked during the

day about this man, whether to keep him or not, and I said definitely

keep him there, tell him to remain there. Now, I don't recall talking

to this man specifically about seeing if anyone had come through here.

I was fairly certain that they hadn't. The main thing I was thinking

about was that Ruby told me he came in here. I had no reason to doubt

him, but I didn't know how he had gotten in, other than what he had

said, just walking down, and I knew that this was putting R. E. Vaughn

in dereliction of his duty.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, now; it's my understanding you talked with Patterson

before you went to Parkland Hospital?

Mr. DEAN. Yes, sir.

Mr. GRIFFIN. And you talked with Vaughn and Nelson after you went to

Parkland?

Mr. DEAN. Well, I probably asked all of them the question, "Did you see

this man come in here; do you know him?" And, of course, Vaughn said

he knew him. Patterson said he knew him. I don't recall whether Nelson

said he knew him or not, but that Patterson and Vaughn both stated, and

along with Nelson, that he did not come through their post.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, did you talk with any of the other men who were

stationed down there in the basement?

Mr. DEAN. No, sir; these were the men that I assigned and gave my

instructions, and those were the ones that I could talk to.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember, on November 24, talking at all with

"Blackie" Harrison?

Mr. DEAN. No, sir.

Mr. GRIFFIN. About this?

Mr. DEAN. No, sir.

Mr. GRIFFIN. How about L. D. Miller?

Mr. DEAN. No, sir.

Mr. GRIFFIN. How about McMillon?

Mr. DEAN. No, sir.

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